YOU VILL OWN NOTHING GOYIM
they laughed at me when I bought 64GB of RAM and paid $200 for it.they called me "insane"they said "you dont need 64GB Ram, nobody does."are they laughing now?
>ram impossible to afford>gpus impossible to afford>SSDs soon to be impossible to affordIt's never been more over
>>107294925>>107295034Just as I'm checking /g/ because I'm planning to build a new gaming PC. Why are the prices skyrocketing this time?
>>107295103economic terrorism
>>107295021who is they? my friends recommended me to go for 64gb when I was shopping for a new setup in september. ram's cheap, go ham. they said.
>>107294991You already live under communism, you just don't know it
>>107294925Guess I don't feel so bad about buying a 64GB DDR4 kit to complement my 32GB DDR4 kit At the same time holy fuck I wish I got a $300 Microcenter bundle when I could have last Christmas when I was traveling to the USA
you've had years to buy more ram. you waited, you sat on the fence, you dithered.
>>107295103openai bought 2 years worth of ram supply from hynix and samsung. production will ramp up to compensate but will take time OR openai goes pop and it all falls apart.
>>107295143>you've had years to buy more ramkill yourselfif you can say this for one good you can say the same thing for anything
>>107295152waitfags always lose
>>107295103because chatbots are very serious business
>>107295103you like using AI dont you?suck up the prices chud
>>107295165>late 2022>prices are only gonna go up further, buy buy buy >get fucked immediately afterwards because the prices dropin a way yes, they always lose but then so do all the people who buy a computer and forget about it for the next 10-15 years
>>107295174>you like using AI dont you?Actually I find it to be worthless, just a glorified Google search
>>107295165bitcoinbros won though.
Just hold out and WAIT. This AI shit can't go on for more than another year. It's literally a 0 ROI money pit. Eventually their stonks will crater and they will be forced to stop sinking money into this AI shit
>>107294925let's see Paul Allens RAM
>>107294925Hmm, well shit
>>107295207I Just Waited (tm) for GPU prices to drop because of crypto. here I am 5 years later still waiting.fuck you
>>107295180Great, you may now thank it for making computer parts cost 3 times as much.
Use case for tranny RGB RAM?
>>107295103Circular AI economy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JfOxx6Hh4RAM prices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hLiwNViMak
>>107295249What gave you the idea that only ram with shitty rgbs are skyrocketing?
>>107295103openai deal reserving 40% of new DRAM wafers from samsung and sk hynix
>>107295230AI craze is 100 times the crypto mining rush.
>>107295274Can't fucking wait for everyone involved with ScamAI to go bankrupt. The bad part is that the government will likely bail them out.
>>107295148>openaiAny chance to nuke them and everyone in it in minecraft?
>>107294925>Black friday deal>$1070What a sick joke.
>>107295103>Just as I'm checking /g/ because I'm planning to build a new gaming PC. Why are the prices skyrocketing this time?Reddit question, anyways the awnser is AI.The ram and storage companies are focusing on enterprise hardware rather than consumer because AI makes more money.
>>107295034>>SSDs soon to be impossible to affordHDDs, too. 4TB Seagate Skyhawk went up 20 bucks within two days.
>>107295122>>107295148>>107295166>>107295174>>107295262>>107295274>>107295340AGI/ASI is coming.
>>107295387lol no
>>107295021>>107295123I remember /g/ thought I was being silly and profligate when I got 128GB for my Zen 3 more or less because I could. This was a few years ago when a lot of people were still saying you don't need more than 16GB
>>107295387for the Elites, yes.for the peasants? kek no
>>107295387lol stfu poopjeet your dumb chatbot is never going to be anything but a dumb chatbot
>>107295387>AGI/ASI is coming.No, it won't first they need more energy.
>>107295427They don't need more energy. They need an entire new paradigm, something else than predicting word generators.
>>107295427They need more money, a trillion dollars should do it
>>107294925NVMEs and SSDs have gone up as well, the worse time to build a PC.
>>107295515>NVMEs and SSDs have gone up as well, the worse time to build a PC.Thankful I bought my 2tb drive just in time. If I waited for a week I would have to pay 30€ more for the same product.
>>107295461brainlets don't understand that this is the AI hype cycle every time, it's been playing out ever since computers have existedit goes something like this:>compute or algorithm advancements make some new parlor trick possible >everyone gets super excited and starts to project all sorts of fantastical future scenarios with infinite scaling>it turns out the parlor trick does not scale infinitely>AI winter starts>a few decades later new algorithm or compute makes some new parlor trick possible>cycle repeats
>>107295572And even if LLMs could scale in any meaningful way (they can't they're just glorified databases) they are fundamentally limited by their probabilistic nature. You would never be able to use a probabilistic model for anything serious in the real world.
>>107295572>parlor trickThat's why it shouldn't be called AI in the first place. Because it's not intelligent. It's simulating intelligence.
>>107295645but saar you can't sell "simulating intelligence" like you can sell "AGI soon".
>>107295262It's not actually a bubble because (the argument goes like this) the world is now a network of business-to-business economies.
>>107295274you cannot be serious.what the FUCC
>>107295689>It's not actually a bubble because (the argument goes like this) the world is now a network of business-to-business economies.B2B is horrible.
>>107295689It's a multi trillion Dollar bubble. The biggest bubble this planet has seen by now.
>>107295387The point is buddy, at this point? We're fucked either way.
>>107295592They are deterministic. Given the same seed and the heat (token selection randomization) parameter set to 0, the "AI" will always give the same anwser. I disagree on their use. They are useful for getting sources when searching with imprecise queries "what was that painting with giant eafting a man? Who made it? What's it called". Questions like that where normal search engines usually fail
You had all year to upgrade, even the dumbest sub sahran nog saw this coming
>>107296039Yeah they're better search and more interactive wikipedia. No one is gonna pay for that shit though. And not enough to justify trillions and trillions of investment anyway.
>>107295021This was me in 2016, 2017 I think with skylake? People would mock me, regularly for having 64GB, I used it back then regularly with huge scans. Used it as a ram disk.Watched memory usage in programs bloat the fuck up as coders cared more about their insane logging practices than making something efficient.Who's laughing now? Here I now sit, 224GB of combined RAM and who comes begging? That's right. The eternal poorfags who didn't invest early.
Nobody pays for searchGoogle gets paid for advertising on searchNobody pays for AI promptsGoogle gets paid for advertising on AI promptsThey figured out the winning strategy ages ago. Mark my words, google will be the only corpo to survive the bubble and will actually turn a profit throughout the entire thing.
>>107295034Don't forget that Samsung are ramping down production of SSD's temporarily to meet the artificial DRAM demand instead.RAM prices will go up, until they plateau, as SSD prices, GPU, phone prices all continue to bump up alongside.If you had half a brain, you'd realise that the elites taking away the few things you were allowed to be happy at, indicates that they no longer think you're necessary.
>>107294925>order 8GB of laptop memory straight from crucial>they send me an 8GB stick and an extra 16GB stick for free
>>107294925Why would I buy RAM when I can just have ChatGPT play a game for me and write me a summary, saving countless hours while still providing a fulfilling experience? Those hours can be better spent using AI to be productive.
>>107294925>Following for the obvious FOMO shilling. The whole ML/AI buying a ton of DRAM production futures is just pathetic excuse. The rapid price increases for UDIMMs are totally not an organic FOMO shilling by vendors/etailers trying to start panic buying on existing inventory.
>>107295689It is bubble kiddo. This is outright fraud at this point. It is making WorldCom and Enron look like petty crimmals by comparison.
>>107295207It will collapse but I doubt it will return to early 2025 levels again though.
>>107294925I have 32GB of RAM and RAM has never once been an issue.I don't understand what people are doing to need 96GB of RAM on a home machine, but I hope it pays enough to justify the cost.
>>107295103don't listen to the faggots trying to cope and rationalize thisthe reason is simple: jewsand no the prices are not going down again
>>107295403I know for a fact you've done literally nothing that fills up that 128GB and anyway prices fluctuate, they'll drop again soon
>>107296580You're absolutely right!— Be sure to drink your Ovaltine™
>>107296064I never said anyone would. They area fun novelty, and many models are light enough to run locally. Just find one that runs well on your machine, give it search acccess and that's it
>>107295103Now that Windows 10 is no longer supported, everyone is upgrading to Windows 11 and they all need more RAM, all at the same time, to take advantage of the revolutionary benefits of AI.
>>107294925for AI shit yeah more than 20+ GB is necessary.more than 20+ for triple slop games? kill yourself
why does anyone still use neweggthere must be tons of electronics stores in america that's where all the tech comes from
Why the fuck is it always something if it isn't storage it's ram and if it isn't ram it's grafics cards what the fuck is going on.Is technology not going to get cheaper with time or what? am I expected to pay 200% MSRP for a 5070 in 2030?
>>107295379I'm so glad I bought HDDs at the top of the year I've seen 20TB+ models all shoot up by $100+ from what I paidThe worst trend I saw this year was restocks always meant the price goes up so waiting was very bad
usecase for ram?
The other day an anon said that SODIMM DDR4 was going up in price. I refused their realitySticks I was going to get held steady, then increased by £2 each, bought 3 of them and 2 days later, out of stock. No 16GB sticks left. Check today, price has raised again while out of stock.8GB prices holding steady, for now. 32GB sticks are, out of stock, predictably.
>>107297630The early adopter phase is ending, anon. Millennials are in their 30s-40s and genZ/A will be entering a fully computer-driven world. This is a reset to computational power being a new accepted norm and even a status symbol as we exit the boomer era of not caring about computers.By 2050 a subset of wealthy normie zoomers will be bragging about their multi million dollar locally hosted custom LLMs like that age group now flaunts about luxury cars or yachts. It'll get cheaper eventually once the US/china catches up in production.
>>107296610The Jews and their Satanist thrall of rich people all want us to be their slaves.
Can I get your opinions on something?I've been thinking about buying a Framework desktop recently, both to mess around with LLMs (I have a genuine disability-related usecase) and to maybe do some gaming; I know the Radeon 8060S iGPU will not better than a proper desktop PC with a real dGPU for either the AI model shit or gaming, but GPU prices have been fucked for a long time, and now with RAM prices being fucked too my logic is as follows:>A fully assembled Framework desktop is stupidly overpriced at ~$3800 (Australian dollars), but they do also offer just the motherboards for sale>The Ryzen Max 395+/128GB main board SKU is a relatively more reasonable offering at $3000, and is currently available for pre-order at a price not, as yet, impacted by all this absurd price gouging on RAM (3 grand is still expensive though; in USD it's just shy of $2k, but in over here and in terms of the cost of living, for me it represents about 2 months worth of rent money, and/or sits halfway between the cost of buying a non-overclocked RTX 5080 and a 5090 at retail)>There are other companies like Beelink and GMK that are selling systems based on Strix Halo platform, but I figure I actually have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a Framework board repaired under warranty if it ever breaksAm I retarded for considering it?This is money I definitely shouldn't be spending, but it's also not money that's going to afford me a house in this economy when a shitbox apartment in the outer suburbs of my city are going for 12x my annual salary.Also for gaming, I recognise that while it can't play modern titles at high resolution or framerates, I own a FPGA scaler and have a realistic option in turning the internal resolution of games down to ~1080p/720p then scaling the output back up to 4k to still have a relatively nice experience.
>>107295230But they did drop. You could have bought a RX 7900 GRE/XT/XTX below MSRP at the end of last year.
>>107297603>(((benefits))) of AI
>>107297059>>I know for a fact you've done literally nothing that fills up that 128GByou're correct actuallybut I'm good on upgrades until like 2035. I got 24GB for my i7 920 X58 system in late 09, 4/6GB was standard, 8 was generous. But it lasted me until 2021. It's always worth getting more RAM than you need outside of times like these.
>>107298004For hueg LLMs, Ryzen AI Max 395+/128GB is amazing, especially on Linux. For guides and such, try recent videos by> https://www.youtube.com/@donatocapitella/videosFor gaming, a regular desktop would likely be more cost-efficient, as well as more upgradable.So it depends on what your priorities are.
>>107295387>AGI/ASI is coming.nope>>107295404>for the Elites, yes.nopeLLMs can't do it and if they had something better they wouldn't be dumping trillions of dollars into LLMs
>>107294925I paid peanuts for a 32 GB stick in a turd world country (meaning more expensive than Amazon) while /g/ seethed about not needing more than 16 GB. I could sell it at a profit now if I cared./g/ is always wrong
>>107295387Not through LLM"s sorry not sorry guessing the next work with 1000 petabytes of data isn't a thinking machine.
>>107294925Its AI, datacenters and Trumps tariff fuckerywhen the AI bubble pops there will likely be a huge glut again because manufacturers will be trying to sell to the traditional markets instead of the the AI grift hype train that pays top dollar just to keep the hype going It may be that as another anon said >>107295148 they've bought a 2 year supply, but if the bubble pops 1 year in either openai or Samsung will need to offload that production very quickly Also consider that once the bubble does pop, there will be not only a glut of hardware from manufacturers but also cloud compute at competitive rates and used enterprise components from failed providers / data centers never built / unfilled orders If anything I'm cheering on the bubble just because we get cheap AI now as a service and will get cheap cloud & hardware in the future, all while there being money and pressure into improving the efficiency and reducing the nm per node
>>107299559There will be a huge glut of useless HBM.
>>107295021
>>107295021I bought 64gb of quad channel ddr4 and still don't need it
>>107295034I was going to a new ssd and see they have gone up $40 since the last time i bought one.>T.Ausfag
>>107294925Now everyone can be an entrepreneur just list your e-waste ram on eBay.
>>107299458If it works it works. All praise Mecha Hitler.
>>107295387the fuck is ASI?
>>107295103AI bubble
>>107300113Artificial SUPER Intelligence
>>107300113Aggressively Sexual Indian, it's what we call microsoft techs in the industry (janitorial)
>>107299841>>T.AusfagYou can just feel we're going to get double fucked down here
>tfw upgraded to 64GB DDR4-3600 CAS 16 for $120 near the bottom back in February>been hanging on to the 32GB DDR4-3200 and kit of used 16GB DDR4-3600 that had been in my system>I'm going to make a tidy profit when I sell them.
>>107296039they are good for doctor efficacy, are a force multiplier for software engineers (where 0x50 is still 0) and have obsoleted translators. they will obsolete meatbags in many different forms no matter how much you kick and scream about it not being real AI (which i agree with)
>>107295572Let's face it, a major factor in ChatGPT getting big is Google search becoming worse. Somehow improvements in CGTP have been in line with google decreasing in quality.
>>107294925Bought this in September. I literally impulse bought it when I decided to build a pc when I saw that gpus were finally being sold at msrp.Holy shit I’m lucky.
>>107300680It's impossible to find anything technical outside of AI written articles. Duckduckgo is somehow even bit worse than google.
>>107298084nono drop to a reasonable level.
>>107300989They probably include a shitload of SEO terms on the article, or even hidden in the page code, and then the grifters bot the clicks to bump it up in the search rankings. SEO is a nightmare for actual information.
>>107294925if you smelly nerds would stop buying it the price wouldnt be so high.
>>107295021>theyMeds are technology
>>107300680>Let's face it, a major factor in ChatGPT getting big is Google search becoming worse. >Somehow improvements in CGTP have been in line with google decreasing in quality.For once i think that's Google delibately making their search engine shit so you use it for longer rather than just mere incompetence.
>>107296580Facebook, which is nothing but spam and slop and advertising now, recently asked me if I wanted to pay. So I suspect the advertising model is collapsing. I don't know what this means for the future of technology, but it won't be good (although it will take a lot of bad shit with it).
>>107295387confirmed, insider sources say just two more weeks
>>107302093just 1 more GW of compute bro i swear agi is coming i just need a bit more compute bro
>>107294925My manic self saved my ass here, I actually thought it was a great idea too """"upgrade"""" my 14900K to the new at the time 14900K(Y)S I also bought a secondary kit of Gskill 8400 MHz 48Gb DDR5 for $400. Who said being mentally ill was all bad!?!?
>>107295021Kek, same. I bought 64GB over 32 because there was barely any price difference in early 2025.
>think "it can't be that bad">cheapest RAM is £371.48
>>107295103>buy dd4 ram for my shitbox since the old sticks are showing errors>cost 45$>look at the price today for the same sticks>200$nobody is using the smaller sticks of 10 year old dd4 for corporate ai clusters or for new pcs, they just arbitrarily raise the price because they can.>>107296988this. they know they can get away with it, so they do. and every npc will defend this shit til their dying breath. one jew runs a news story about ram demand increases in the media and another jew uses it as a source to justify the price increase and the npcs just chant 'ai ai ai ai'
>>107295387>sirs please buy the AGI very smart
>>107294925Kicking myself I didn't get more cheap ram from Ali this time last year We gonna have to sit tight until 203x and ddr6 aren't we
>>107296988>>107302886There will be more competition and that will drive down the prices eventually.
>>107303863huff that hopium ronnythe price is never going down ever again
>>107295387A glorified guessing machine isn't "AGI" aka AI before they changed the definition.
>>107295034>>107294925Doesn't that make mini pcs and laptops more attractive?>Gmk k12 has 3xnvme>and can have 96gb ramAs long as its bios allows port disabling it'd be great.I think I could run all my kubernetes on top of vms on it. It even supports Chinese thunderbolt for a workstation gpu. Would that be an upgrade over a 9th gen i5 intel?
>>107295689ah so it's not a bubble, it's just a ponzi scheme
>>107297148Don't talk shit about Ovaltine™ it did nothing wrong and is one of the few pure and simple joys still available in this dire world (for now, last time i bought a 1kg can of it it cost me nearly 20 fucking dollars)
>>107295021God I wish I could get insane amounts of RAM in my setup, but you need ridiculously expensive CPUs and motherboards to support anything above 64G (or rarely 128G). Consumer-grade equipment lacks memory channels or something.>>107295125Haha no we don't. Owning nothing is more an aspect of later-stage renter capitalism anyway.
Feels good to be part of the 128GB club.
I have 64gb total and have never once even come close to using all of it.
>>107295207too big to fail
>>107303863>drive down the prices LOL, just like how food prices will go down? How day-to-day items will go down? Like housing will go down?
>>107294925Wait you can buy 48gb ram sticks? Since when? Also wtf who needs that much ram I have 32GB and I still feel like that's too much
>>107295021I mean, good for you for making a good purchase, but when was the last time you needed all of the 64 gb from your RAM? I have 32 gb DDR5 and never used all of it. The only good outcome from this, is that those who have recently made a beefy pc will not have to upgrade anytime soon, since the market will stagnate and the lifecycle of their pc parts will extend
>>107305561>but when was the last time you needed all of the 64 gb from your RAM?Each time I run Streets in Escape From Tarkov
>>107296907>I don't understand what people are doing to need 96GB of RAM on a home machineI've read that on some of the AI stuff that can be run on your local machine, it can be set to use regular RAM if a run uses up all the available VRAM on the GPU. Which is much slower, yes, but could be good for something like a long run that is being processed overnight, rather than just crashing.I could be wrong.
>>107294925>SAVE EVEN MORE W/ PROMOCODE
>>107305661that's very truecooling the fucking RAM modules even becomes a thing
>>107304635>Gmk k12Non-x3d zen4 tech.At desktop tdps it would probably go head-to-head with intel 12th gen.>48gb ram sticksSince ddr5.>have 32GB and I feel like that's too muchI use my 16gb laptop for web browsing.It definitely feels one size too small.
>>107302886DDR4 is also going down up in price because it's out of production.At the same time that a lot of DDR4 based systems are entering the surplus industry, so people buy larger capacities to upgrade to 32, 64GB.Then you have poorfags, who have 4x4GB or 2x8GB sticks since they were stuck deep in nonceworld.So 8GB sticks go up, because retards who didn't get 32GB until now start upgrading, people buying old systems as servers are upgrade to 32 & 64GB and that leaves just the 4GB sticks on market. This is exactly why anyone saying "low capacity" is enough should be executed on the spot, they're fools who keep prices high for you, when they need not be. The retards saying 32GB is enough are unironically the ones driving up the price of 8GB DIMMs as well, keeping them artificially high, they just so happened to do so at the worst possible time as 3 other factors came in to raise prices.
>>107295103Because of men wearing small hats and rubbing their hands together.
>>107305559DDR5 spec allows DIMMs to use more than 8 DRAM chips per rank. 12 DRAM chips DIMMs are the result of this.
>>107299213Thanks for the response and the playlist, also sorry for taking so long to reply; I started on one of the videos posted by the YouTuber you linked, then watched the rest of the ones related to the Framework desktop, and subsequently went down a bit of rabbit hole of other LLM tuning videos.My takeaway so far is that some of the smaller language models are probably sufficient for my workflow, but since there aren't any GPUs out there (at a sane price) with the base amount of VRAM I'd require then something built on the Strix Halo platform is still likely to be my best bet. However, I can at least save some money by in theory going for the 64GB SKU.I'll have to mull on it further before pulling the trigger, but anyway thank you again.
>>107294925When you see incredibly cheap prices of ram or storage or you feel like 'things are too good to be true' you had better believe things are going to get worse and shittier later on.
>>107295021They called me mad when I put a terabyte of memory in and they're right. Might sell some for twice it's cost though.
>>107295572I can imagine the type or creature that has that image saved on their pc
>>107304698AWS, Azure and Cloud development in general had a very similar build up, the underlying thing about this is that the companies that are actually producing value are the ones putting up the infrestructure because at the end of the day there will always be a demand for compute and hardware acceleration and companies will always look to get any tech edge that they can so the executives and MBA's can ladder climb by saying dumb shit like succeful raising productivity be implemenet revolutionary and visionary technologies from prestigious and teach leader x which raised productivity and KPI's (it does need to be true) which will land him the spot in a bigger company even if the failled tech start up or minor company went bankrupt, when you realize that these retards that conform the 80% of unprofitieable business that are investing in AI are swindler using hedge funds and daddy money to ladder climb it start to make sense and why only the financial bros are going pink wojak and losing their minds while screamming bubble
>>107295404>for the peasantsno such thing
>>107295405you're retarded and wrong, stop projecting you worthless subhuman faggot
>>107295572>picDisgusting and wrong delusions
Used ECC DDR4 is the same price
>>107295340>because AI makes more moneyHow? Is it all money from investors or does AI actually produce something worth money?
>>107297630>Why the fuck is it always somethingThe 'man on the street' consumer is literally irrelevant in shareholder capitalism
>>107295034I hope no one will tell the AI companies that you can also run AI on CPU. Imagine the prices.
>using i5 4690k and GTX970 I got from my younger brother>zero interest in new gamesL M A OMAO
>>107297630Phones killed a lot of the market for computers and this is being reflected on prices.>>107299559Was the RAM paid in advance? And it might be in a format suitable for AI centers, not RAM sticks for desktops.
>>107295387together with flying cars, jetpacks and nuclear fusion, I can't wait for it
>>107315517>flying carsKind of exist but the idea is actually retarded. >jetpacksExist, but are not really practical right now.>nuclear fusionExperimental reactors exist (ITER, National Ignition Facility...)So yeah AGI will also exist in some way or another, but the question is, will it live up to its hype or not.
>>107295021i bought only 64gb because my motherboard has only 2 slots otherwise it would be 128gbpaid 130$ or so for it
>>107295034when it continues like that i probably will never update my 5950x ...
Now I feel like the smartest man in the world for getting 96GB AMD expo CL30 for 330USD in October.
>>107294925bought this for my new pc back in march for like $300. who's laughing now?
>>107294925>buy 64gb of ram literally two weeks before the prices went insane>cost 130 bucks>check price for same ram now>over a thousandHuhguess pissing off china and having them ban importing nvidia ai chips followed by stopping the export of rare earth might've had some consequences huh?damn. oh well; at least groceries are cheap :3c
>>107315818>will it live up to its hype or not.Yeah, as a propaganda tool. It will never be allowed to give real answers.
>>107294925it just went up again
