The EU to require monthly age verification for going online
My tax evading ass to get on the government subsidized phone line program and shitpost through dial up
>>107327829Oh, they actually responded to the criticism about locking their wallet thing to Google’s SafetyNet. I’m honestly surprised they did anything. It’s my biggest criticism with their approach to it, which is focused on cryptography based, least-knowledge verification that tries to replicate the IRL verification meta. You get a signing key from a reputable institution, then you can use that to verify your identity to others, without the original party knowing you’re doing so.They’ve also got some stuff on using Zero-Knowledge Proofs, which are crypto black magic that allows you to mathematically verify a fact without knowing what it is (i.e. is this person over 18 or 16, or whatever). It can be done locally, so there’s no surveillance inherent to it.The issue will be implementation, the EU seems a bit schizo on privacy at the moment, with a lot of the states preferring privacy preserving legislation, but the commission wanting to be more authoritarian and surveillance state.Regardless, it’s a better solution than just throwing JPEGs of licenses all over the place, or a centrally managed signing system.
>>107327923Any system they come up with is going to be anti privacy slavery
>/g/ unironically accepts this 1984-tier garbageJust according to keikaku.
>>107327942We have the technology to implement a robust identity system without it infringing privacy. The issue with many proposals is they either require a centralised government database that does all the verification, meaning the government knows every time you go to verify, and what you’re doing and so on (this is the UK’s digital ID system), or rely on third-parties piggy-backing off existing physical IDs, which means they end up with much more info than is needed (they only really need to know your age is above X number, or that you have an ID at all. All the other shit is irrelevant to their needs).The EU approach, at least in concept (who knows how they’ll implemented it), is to leverage cryptography and a set of standards so that any institution can be a source of proof. If you have your bank app installed, it can provide it, or government services, or whatever really. Those apps can be set up in person with a signing key, it stays on device and then when X website asks “is this person over X age”, the proof provider apps can be queried to sign attestation locally on the device, then the site can verify the attestation was signed with a valid key, and you’re done. The bank or whoever doesn’t know you’ve signed it, and the signed attestation only attests to your age, so the provider doesn’t know your identity either. The issue here is obviously badly implemented providers, or intentional fuckery by the government to force correlation between each side. It also necessitates some sort of trust execution environment so that people don’t just fuck with the app or whatever. In future, they’re looking at zero-knowledge proofs, which use mathematical fuckery to simply answer a question without revealing the data behind it to anyone (you don’t have to have a third party verifier like the bank for every check). The EU in particularly can’t fall back on a single digital ID, cause it’s member states would never agree to centralise
>>107328059this is something boomers cooked up in their retarded scared heads because they're afraid they are losing relevance and control. they are trying to shepherd people into system that are exclusively beneficial to the 50+ club.set these worthless boomers on fire already!!!! they deserve no respect!!!!
>>107328145I mean, probably, but if such a system is going to exist it should be fit for purpose and not a massive shitshow waiting to catch fire. I’d argue the perceived necessity is more a result of social issues that have been going ignored, but this isn’t /pol/, it’s /g/, and if I’m going to have to deal with a digital ID system, I’d vastly prefer the proposed EU system than the UKs (either the retarded one where you send pics of your license to everyone or the one where the UK gov tracks your every move). It’s about as close to the current system of “show an official looking bit of plastic” as you’ll get digitally, and it’s entirely feasible. It’s just that this is mostly being done for political reasons rather than addressing the need for robust, privacy preserving ID online, so politicians just slam through the first thing that sounds like it’ll work and declare victory. My understanding is the motivation for the EU to create a digital identity service is to ease movement between countries, so that ID from one member works in the other without a ton of annoying paperwork shit or sending around photos of ID. This necessitates a way for members to hook in as they want, and for those members to retain privacy (countries do not typically want others spying on their citizenry, only they get to do that), so France needs to be satisfied that Poland or whatever isn’t tracking the movement of their citizens. It’s just a different set of incentives that drove the design. The age verification stuff seems to have been more recent and was spun off out of that larger project for political reasons.
I denounce the Talmud and the paranoid, control obsessed satanic illuminati mason pedo cabal that runs this world.
>>107328059>We have the technology to implement a robust identity system without it infringing privacynone of the things you described permit this.the only way to leverage cryptography with a reasonable degree of privacy is>big daddy g signs a shitload of tokens>prints them out>distributes them to local shops>you go to shop, show them your id, they give you a piece of paper with the token on it>website uses big daddy's G public key to verify that this token is validassuming no cctv tracks you and associates the token you got with your identity.this still lets big daddy G control the flow of information if they ever refuse to issue new papers.
>>107327829Ha! Good thing we got brexit done... Oh wait
>>107327962I'll admit that I will sign anything that helps mitigate the chances of children posting on the internet.Let them have their own kid internet.
>>107328183I'm just so done with other people inconveniencing me and denying me privacy when all I want to do is not give a fuck about anyone else
>>107327829I just wish we could turn back the clock 20 years not only to kick off the thirdies from the internet but to not having to deal with this bullshit.
WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE POOR CHILDREN!
>>107328183>addressing the need for robust, privacy preserving ID onlineIt's already been addressed 30 years ago. It's called a PGP/GPG key.
>>107328223That’s essentially what is proposed. There is allowances for going to physical locations and getting a token. As for controlling the flow of information, they can already do this. Furthermore, if no record of a token is kept, only verified that it was validly issued, how would they block specific people retroactively. They could only refuse ID to specific people, which would require them to inform the people issuing these tokens that “X person shouldn’t be given a token”, which makes the whole thing obvious. They’re more likely to just issue a security notice to Google or whatever. They don’t need an ID system to do that. The primary benefit of a centralised ID system for infringing privacy is the ability to concretely and conveniently tie online activity to real identity. A token system would not permit this unless it was intentionally designed to, which would be impossible to hide. If it’s about getting access to the internet to start with, this is already the case too. You need a way to pay (typically can’t pay in cash), an address to get it at, or a phone number to associate it with (in my county you can still buy prepay and get codes for top-ups, but in many countries getting a sim requires an ID anyway). If you’ve already got all that sorted, you’re already attached to your activity. A non-centralised crypto based identity system doesn’t make it any easier to tie your shit together than it already is. You also overestimate the competence of governments. They’re retarded and have repeatedly shown themselves, even the “elite” departments, to fuck up constantly. >>107328249That’s a symptom of the fucked up economy the internet has spawned. An endless cat and mouse game of who is being the most annoying. I think it’s just inherent to something at that scale.
>>107327829Joke's on the EU, the more they increase their attempts to control everything, the higher the overhead on enforcement will cost, and they're already on verge of being bankrupt. Authoritarianism is fucking expensive.
>>107328310This relies on either handing it over in person, or a third party witness to attest to the legitimacy of the key. You can’t meaningful trust a random PGP key to be from the person it says it is. It also provides way more info than is needed if all a service cares about is “are you over 18”. Furthermore, it can be tracked every time you use it to verify identity, concretely tying your identity to a specific key.
>>107328229Yep, that's brain-damage tier retardation. It's just like magacucks you will sign literally anything which they think will """own""" libs/jeets/etc.
>>107328342You forgot to mention why you think so.
>>107328229Nah, start teaching parents how to manage their kids internet access, and make it weird to leave raising your child to the iPad. Age verification for the purpose of keeping children off the internet is retarded and will never be effective enough to prevent the issues it causes. It’s trying to fix a social problem with a mechanical solution
>>107328383Anyone who let's their kids use a iPad are retarded. They don't care about kids.
>>107328392Yeah, but unfortunately their retardation does not affect only them. Perhaps, if we told the retards “X is bad, here is an easy way to not do X and avoid it happening” less of them would do it.
>>107328311I understand the point you're making, appreciate the way you're framing it, and generally don't want to be an ass. But I just gotta say anon, I want this whole concept of age verification to burn and everyone involved to burn with it
>>107328335>This relies on either handing it over in personEverything relies on that. You have to make contact to identify to someone.>You can’t meaningful trust a random PGP key to be from the person it says it is.Ask the person to sign a message/file with it's private key and you can check. If it signs the message and the signature checks, it means it has the key. The only way for somebody to use your key to sign it is if you gave it away freely or you got hacked somehow and you weren't using a passphrase encrypted key.>Furthermore, it can be tracked every time you use it to verify identity, concretely tying your identity to a specific key.Can have keys expire, can have multiple keys for different uses.>service cares about is “are you over 18”Nobody but the boomers and euro bureaucrats cares about that. Keys should be used to identify to other nerds on the internet. Normalfags shouldn't be using the internet in the first place.
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE STOP THINKING OF THE CHILDREN
>>107328493>>107328495I totally get this. I’d prefer all the fuckwits off the internet, and at this point have decided the only off-ramp is moving to something like Reticuluum or I2P that is too much of a pain for normies to use. But I’m also being realistic. This shit is going to occur, like it or not, if not now then in ten years, and enough shit requires you use the “normie-net” you can’t just ignore it. Therefore, I’d prefer the least shit option. To do otherwise is to bury your head in the sand and then shit yourself when things don’t turn out how you wanted. If you don’t get involved in making it non-shitty, it’ll be even shittier.
>>107328495I may be wrong, as I’ve only dabbled with PGP, but its current implementation relies on HKP servers to distribute public keys, right? And that users can attest to a key being valid and that will be recorded? My point is that the key on its own doesn’t do anything to verify identity. But yeah, it’s perfectly good for nerd-to-nerd communication. That’s not what the thread is about though, and my point is that PGP isn’t suitable for that purpose. It’s built around the kind of people that would actually consider meeting up to swap keys in person, or would do so at conferences or whatever else.
>>107327829may I have a source brother?
>>107328298Ironically child porn will be among the few things you can access without verifying your age
>>107328658
>>107328564I would recommend GPG rather than PGP, but they are more or less the same. You can generate a GPG key locally (no need for a server) and then distribute it (the public key I mean) however you want, e-mail, forums, HKP servers that you mentioned, post it on your website next to a picture of your face if you feel like it.My point is this whole shit is retarded in the first place and there shouldn't be any real identity to verify in the first place if you don't want to.For any place where you have some pseudoidentity (a username, an id of any kind) you can create and associate a key to that and that's it. Share your public key with your peers and they know that all the messages from now are from the same guy who gave them they key, next time you send them some file, they know it's from you. Again, the only exception is if some other person somehow managed to get your private key and then you didn't bother to encrypt that key with a passphrase (or they somehow broke that passphrase, we already in the realm of insanity here) and signs things in your place. >I am who I say I am. This is my public key. That's all.Anything else can go to hell. Eventually people will move to I2P, Tor or any other such networks. They ban those and there is no way to access the internet without having every website requiring your id every 5 minutes? It's back to no internet, LAN-only for me. I only hope I download all I need in time. That's my only worry really, beating the clock. They want to kill The Net I will manage, but I hope they don't do it before I manage to save all I need.
>>107327829Just ban smartphones/tablettes for underages and give them a pc instead.
>>107328534no. they are too hot.
>>107328495The ISP already has your ID, so another one's just redundant. What should be pursued here is full decentralization, privacy, anonimity and censorship resistance currently achievable through Hyphanet, already utilizing public key crypto for anything that requires an ID, which may or may not contain any personal info depending on what you wanna use it for.They may tell exactly who's online, but on a darknet that's all they get to know, so their ID's are essentially useless unless they literally ban every connection but those accessing their curated list of cultural marxist spyslop dens.
>>107328699We really need a decentralized text based site to shit post
I like how this has nothing to do with kids.
>>107327829Christ EU politicians are dumb. You have to be an adult to pay for an internet connection. That's the proof you're an adult right there. If the adults of the home have kids, it's on them to prevent them from using / misusing the network. Retards.
>>107327829still not buying a (((smartphone))), even if it means being forced offline or worse.
>>107328229here's a simpler solution for you: if a kid is found on a site it wasn't supposed to go to, the mother goes to prison.
>>107328059>meaning the government knows every time you go to verify, and what you’re doing and so onanon, how do I tell you this? that's the whole point of this shit.
>>107328392single mothers in a nutshell
This is a good thing. Too much people are using internet to fo bad things nowadays; There is no reason for internet to be lawless and uncontrolled.
>>107328392BASEDany gadget for kids is a pacifier.they just don't want to spend time with kids.I'm glad that a had a lot of construction sets back in the days to build logic and engineer mind.
>>107330541This surveillance needs to crash and burn. Europe and North America should be firewalling ourselves from the thirdies entirely, like China has done. We do not owe the whole world membership in our town square.
>>107327962most employed people are unironic zog servants as long as the job pays they will do anything to justify the status quo. Thats why you see so much pro current thing propaganda on g, hn etc. they are literal zog cattle.
>>107327829Remember, Google and right wing companies control the state. They are the issue.
>>107330826They aren't, leftist scum.
>>107330843>bringing in leftism/rightismThe current proposals (age verification, control, surveillance) are supported by all major (liberal and conservative) political parties, even the left/right fringe groups support this.
>>107330826>become fascist to own le right wingEbin
>>107327829Countries (actually just greedy people from like the 1950s) brought in foreigners to make themselves rich with no concern for anyone's future. They just wanted the nice car and champagne on ice. Now countries are having to implement Orwelian measures to track everyone because the places are full of dangerous non-whites.
>>107330826They are literally an extension of the soviet union retard
>>107328335>This relies on either handing it over in person, or a third party witness to attest to the legitimacy of the key>You can't just go to the liquor store and show your ID, you need to bring a third party witness who confirms that your ID was legitimately issued by the governmentYou're writing hundreds of lines in this thread without acknowledging a single time that this entire thing is not about "making sure a person is X age" but completely about total knowledge and total control of the populus.
>>107331111>Now countries are having to implement Orwelian measures to track everyone because the places are full of dangerous non-whites.actually they want to track the Nazis that oppose communism and mass immigration of negroes and Muslims
>>107327829source?
>>107328059>intentional fuckery by the government to force correlation between each sideyou do understand that this is the only reason they're even pushing for the "technology", right? age verification is literally just a naked ploy to make all your internet traffic tied to your real name
>>107331221those are still caused by the shitskins
>>107328145Boomer here.We think no such thing and consider the whole thing ridiculous, and, if implemented, it’s going to be more a pain in my backside than yours.I have no cameras and my devices are not powerful enough to browse most websites now as it is. That’s why I’m here.I’m also going back to cash-only. You should too before it’s gone.
>>107331111>having toNah, they can live safely in their ivory towers even without this shit. They push surveillance because they want to. Nothing is ever enough, they want total digital enslavement of the masses, the danger posed by unmitigated migration is just what they use to get the masses to accept it.
>>107327829How about anyone under 16 not having a smartphone and have supervised 3hr long internet access a day?
>>107331429This, we got to enjoy a brief period of unprecedented freedom due to the wild economic growth of the past century, but now that said growth reveals itself to be contingent on either population growth or on technological revolutions that create new demand [and which don't happen as often as people believe], we're going to go back to the economic model of antiquity as elites start feeling like their privileges might be in jeopardy - slavery.
Why is anyone complaining? We finally get the "internet driver's license" nerds wanted to implement back in the 2000s! You should be HAPPY.
>>107331477>the economic model of antiquity as elites start feeling like their privileges might be in jeopardy - slaverynot quite. the universal model of human society is patronage networks, tenancy, feudalism - a multi-layered pyramid of sucking dick for protection. slaves are just the bottom-most tier of that system, and usually not the largest - the largest class is usually the "free" bottom feeders who are happy that they're at least not slaves or dalits
>>107328331Money is not real.
this is probably coming to every place. Its gay as hell. At least the EU one if it works anything like how I do taxes now with extra privacy it might be acceptable. As long as it doesnt kill grapheneOS...But honestly we should just put age limit to smart phones. Not social media per se. I think 13 years is fine to get a phone if parents are okay with it.Anyway this isnt a thing you should sacrice other shit. Kids have always done stupid shit and ended up fine anyway.
>dude we just HAVE to build the Stasi 2.0 because we can't possibly hold parents accountable!
>>107327829As I work with children every day, I am starting to lean towards this. The internet (especially on the smartphone) is rotting their brains to such an extent, that they will have an impossibly hard time after school, assuming they’ll even graduate.
>>107335809>I support stupid shit instead of making parents actually do their fucking jobs
>>107328059>The EU in particularly can’t fall back on a single digital ID, cause it’s member states would never agree to centraliseThey said the same about the euro
>>107327829>monthly age verification for going onlineYou already need to verify your age and other details to sign a contract with your ISP.What does this change?
>>107335809What does this solve?Why not just ban children owning smartphones if children owning smartphones is the problem?
>>107335809It's not about kids its about stopping you from talking about migration and tranny agenda.
>>107336322Those are just a distraction from the carbon communism
>>107327829No, you don't get it. They made it voluntary! So it's fine, it's not 1984 after all! Never mind that to do anything at al you will be forced to opt-in but is still totally voluntary!
>>107335809> rot brainsWe used to say the same thing about television
>>107336300We don't have time for rational solutions. Next you'll point out it's already legally impossible for anyone under 18 to close contracts like an internet or phone contract so punish the fuckup failure """parents"""
>>107336300This is a net positive.Once everyone is age-verified, we can get full-on hardcore porn back everywhere.No reason not to…Only reason before was to protect the children.
>>107336462Unless you are being exploited by the music industry, they’re fine with contracts signed by 13 yr olds that indebt them for millions of dollars up-front.
>>107335809Sounds like you are shit at your job if you can't control the children you are working with daily.
>>107336269Britain never went on euro.Ended up pulling out altogether.
>>107336469>he actually believes the neopuritanism and corporate control will halt
>>107327829> The EU to require monthly age verification for going online>Not a single link from actual EU government website>Not a single EU law stating so
>>107336491Sit them down in front of south park episodes all day every day, mixed in with some squarebob spongepants like everyone else does.Result? Still retarded.
>>107336487As a baked peach once said shut up those laws only apply to the poor anyways.
>>107336552https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20251120IPR31496/children-should-be-at-least-16-to-access-social-media-say-mepsIt is a "Non-legislative report" Apparently.
>>107327829Yet another idea that's dead nigger baby on arrival, same as chat control, as trying to implement both would fucking completely ruin modern supply chain.
>>107336626>as trying to implement both would fucking completely ruin modern supply chainAnd what gave you the impression they won't implement these laws anyways?
>>107336300It solves nothing, this never was and never will be about keeping kids out of the internet full stop. There is too much money on exploiting those little goblins, titans like Roblox and Mojang would instantly put billions to make it not pass.Even the idea of a "kid internet" seems like would be a massive fucking dumpster fire that only sounds good on paper. It's like everyone got brain damage and forgot the shitheap that is youtube kids filled with elsa farts on spiderman while he pees videos or whatever the fuck.Everything here points to obvious solution of forcing parents to actually parent their kids yet the mere idea seems like poison whenever mentioned and the powers that be would rather shove cameras up everyone's arse instead.
>>107335809yes this will surely prevent them from being exposed to the internet
>>107328335all of these problems have been solved across numerous cryptographic papers.the issue is that governments do not give a shit, they want to be able to surveil you, simple as.and the common man doesn't even know what cryptography means, so you will never see him pressing the government to do the correct thing.
>>107328311>Furthermore, if no record of a token is keptany token issued by a digital authority will have a fingerprint associated with itany token verified by a service will store the same fingerprintall it takes is matching said fingerprints on both sides.>There is allowances for going to physical locations and getting a tokenwhich are unlikely to be ever be materialized in a way that will let you avoid storing said token fingerprints that can associate your identity with themstop playing devils' advocate for an obviously retarded system that only benefits kikes at the top who want to control you
>>107327829>The EU...is a detriment to the citizens of its member states and a plight to all mankind.The UK could have massively profited from leaving this burning trash pile just in time.But all the shitheads in London use it for, is to make things at least as bad as in the EU, because in the end, they are the same globsoc elite, that fucking hates its people and defecates without restraint all across its people's will.
>>107336891The dose makes the poison.
>>107327829All of this wasted computing power and resources and energy so a bunch of limp dicked government officials can micro manage people. Fucking losers, the lot of them.
>>107328223>>you go to shop, show them your id, they give you a piece of paper with the token on itThis would be the only way to maintain anonymity but then the government doesn't want that.
>>107340525noyou use ring signatures
I am still stuck in EU hell for at least another 3 years. I really hope I can make it out of here after that, but shit is getting really dire by the minute here.
>everyone hates i**ael now>suddenly every country wants to do """id verification"""i wonder who's behind all of this
>>107340525That is because the goal is to end anonymity, have more control and tie everyone's IDs to their entire online activity.
>>107340590This is not just EU, anon. If you pay attention you will notice this is being pushed worldwide.
I'm unironically entirely opposed to government interference in this. Underagefags are people and deserve the right to look at whatever they want online just like the rest of us, and if parents disagree they can already do their best to restrict them and leave the sane parents that teach their kids online safety but otherwise let them learn real world net socialization alone. If I was a kid and had no ability to go online I would probably have just killed myself out of loneliness, or run away from home and gotten myself raped by pedoniggers, which is probably exactly what the government wants.>Damn, how are we supposed to abduct children for our gayass jewish pedophile rings when they won't even leave the house and just watch youtube, send each other retarded memes on discord, and play video games all day? I'm too rich and powerful to resort to what the dumb poorcuck slave class pedos do and beg for cp on discord after meeting kids on roblox, I deserve the real sexual trauma inflicting experience like any good Satan worshipper. Let me just call up some lawmakers...And of course, people bring up parents' rights all the time but then cry pedo, child abuser, you don't deserve to have kids, you'll understand one day, and so on and so forth any time a parent or prospective parent says they want to exercise that right to let their children be free to learn how to be a real independent adult and deal with the mistakes that entails rather than have their children be no more than slaves kept in the dark for the first 17 years of their life only to be retarded manchildren well into their 20s. My only hope is that some countries out there oppose this shit and that people rebel and set up functioning underground intranets for their kids. Fuck the child rapists, they want to see a network of kids without grooming+kidnappers? No way to talk to my kids if they're on an airgapped network you have no access to and don't even know exists, faggot. At least LAN parties will return.
>>107340598Because white nations are flooded with non-whites, and non-whites are usually dangerous. In any multicultural society you need a police state and mass surveillance because 1 in 5 Muslims will blow themselves up or commit terror attacks if left unchecked.
>>107327829seems legit
>>107327942Not if it's ZK.
>>107341530kike hands typed this
>>107340598They've been planning this for 2 decades
