>OLED screens have no motion artifa-ACK
>not artif-ACKSad!
>>107434180First time? OLED has copious amounts of sample&hold motion blur. They all still look 10 times worse than CRTs.
>>107435200posted it again awardbaited nobody award
>>107435364Made you reply <3
>>107435200CRT has phosphor decay trails which is more noticeable than sample and hold blur but no one ever mentions this for some reason.
>>107435377>shits in the street>bro stop shitting in the street>MADE YOU REPLY SAARobsessed tranny award
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>>107434180OMG, thank you!I fell for the OLED meme, and thought I was way too slow to adequately process the 480 Hz refresh rate of my monitor.
>>107434180not at problem on my machine
>>107435716this made me kek
>>107434180why are these bait threads almost universally have videos taken with camera clearly struggling in some low light mode?
>>107435716boing boing
>>107435716>minus8
>>107435716lost
>>107435200>OLEDMinus the O in this word and you are correct retard monkey
>>107434180>no linkfuck off.
>>107435401any trails are not more noticable than any fullscreen blur lol
>>107435552ths goes hard
>>107435401You've never actually seen a PC CRT have you
>>107437194No OLED and LCDs have pretty much the same amount of motion blur, compared to CRT or Plasma.
>>107434180OLED is one of the biggest tech scams of all time. Gradients are HORRIBLE on OLED displays.
>>107435364>baited nobody>actually derailed the whole thread
>>107437318both oled and lcd are made up of Light Emitting Diodes, and yes they have the exact same amount of motion blur cause they are lowkey the same, you specifing oled in the original post instead of generalizing lcds just shows youre only interested in your crt wank instead of technology and you should shut up?
>>107434180Okay.. how does this work though? i'm viewing this on a IPS screen... how am i able to see artifacts specific to OLED then???
>>107437573You don't actually understand what causes sample&hold motion blur. It has nothing to do with characteristics of LEDs; in fact LED-backlit displays *are* capable of matching CRT-grade motion clarity, like in VR headsets or rare desktop monitors like the Viewsonic XG2431. This is because they employ backlight strobing, emulating CRT-like sub-ms frame persistence.
>>107437627>>107437573Meanwhile OLEDs cannot; they are not bright enough to remain usable when a frame is only lit up for a fraction of a millisecond. The lowest non-VR OLEDs have gone is like 3.5ms afaik which still has quite a lot of motion blur (picrel).
>>107437573>7kbFUCK YOU
>>107437627Btw this is in slow-motion what your eye is actually looking at when displaying motion on a display. It should be pretty obvious why modern displays have so much motion blur - moving objects cannot be drawn with stationary frames.CRTs, Plasmas and such get around this by flashing their frame for a fraction of a millisecond, regardless how fast your eye moves relative to the "stationary frame" it wont have time to blur. Kind of exactly the same thing as camera shutters.
>>107437641>According to LG, OLED response times are up to 1,000 times faster than LCD,[126] putting conservative estimates at under 10 μs (0.01 ms), which could theoretically accommodate refresh frequencies approaching 100 kHz (100,000 Hz).so which is it? just cheap ass driving circuitry that does sample and hold?
>>107437742Response times literally do not matter. CRTs famously can have long phosphor trails yet they're still the gold standard of motion clarity.https://blurbusters.com/faq/oled-motion-blur/Try to understand what these two videos and posts are trying to tell you >>107437627 >>107437697
>>107437742>>107437775
>>107437817wobbleh wobbleh pencil!!!!Is there a way to get strobing on AMD, Intel or on Linux? I use 60hz monitors most of the time, but I'd switch my main at my desk for the 120-165Hz ULMB capable display, once more just to see the clarity. I miss the wobbly pencil.
>>107437775i'm not even confused about that, i'm asking where the unfounded 3.5ms for oled comes from. you can clearly see that strobing an oled would be way more effective.
>>107437870Strobing is a hardware feature or an inherent property of the display, has nothing to do with your gpu or os. Software BFI exists but it's utter dogshit, this feature HAS to be implemented in display hardware.
>>107437886Ah cool. Yeah my 144hz display abd XB271HU both had ULMB support.It should then be available then? Nice. I just haven't had a chance to check it out since going AMD and half switching to linux, or trying it with battlemage, when that arrives.
>>107437883As already explained in >>107437641, brightness.This is the best known OLED that has BFI. It has 3.5~4.0ms of persistence as measured by rtings:https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/cx-oledBacklight strobing (or BFI in this case) is literally equivalent to just frame-synced PWM dimming. An OLED display doing 60hz (16ms frame) at 1ms persistence would have it's brightness reduced by 16x!!!! And unlike inorganic LEDs, you just cannot drive OLEDs hard enough to make up the loss. Without having abysmal lifetime anyway.
>>107435552kek, came here for this>BUT MY SHITTY OUTDATED CRT IS GOOD, PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME
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>>107437944so just get higher framerate content then, right? not fuck around with this family-friendly rebrand of flicker.
>>107438055Good luck running anything at 1000-2000hz required to sort of match what a CRT looks like at 60hz
>>107438075yeah, i'll invite my friends with their high speed cameras so we can compete whose display flickers the best. no one sane is this surgically obsessed with this.
>>107438031omg imagine the productivity
>>107438115These photos are taken with the total opposite of a high speed camera
>>107435401completely depends on the phosphors used.
>>107438075in our lifetimes? surewill crts have any comparable level of innovation? no
>>107438293Are you delusional? Games are only getting slower and slower
>>107438353you can play league/minecraft at 1000fps right now
>>107438353>t. Zoomer who didn't live through the dark ages of high-end gaming
>>107437013Son, it's time to switch off the danboorus for tonight.
>>10743807560hz crt looks like eye blinding shitdont know who is gayer, the crt shill or the oled indiansin a just world you would be forced to fight to death in a gladiator style battle using weapons forged from shitty computer hardware. perhaps the glass of a crt forming a sword, and a mace from the hindu's most prized possession, cow feces.
>>107438115>high speed cameras
>>107438653Anon most CRTs run up to 160hz
>>107438293>will crts have any comparable level of innovation? noYou have presented a logical fallacy.False equivalence.You present your findings as if CRT technology has the same amount of R&D poured into it today as other flatpanel technologies. That it has the same scale, production costs to implement. It is a dishonest, redditor grab that is frankly appalling to display in public. Hang yourself from a rope until you cease breathing, you infidel.
>>107434180i have oledi do not have this problemcan you please explain how your post is valid?
>>107437641>they are not bright enough to remain usable when a frame is only lit up for a fraction of a millisecond.neither are CRTs lol
i've bought an oled and i'm kinda disappointed, the motion clarity at 500hz or 250 with bfi isn't that much better than my 144hz tni expected to see much fewer mouse tracers while waving the mouse on the desktop and also background objects aren't that much clearer in vidya
>>107434180I've had this problem on every OLED I've had from my old S9 to my new Pixel, and no tech youtuber talks about it. But it's probably easier to massproduce OLED garbage than microLEDs and other superior technologies.
>>107438852oh I'm sorry you are correct, it's not an even playing field, can you tell me why that is
>>107438826not true even if you go 640x480. even if that werent a lie that post is specifically talking about 60hz. you should degauss and reread what i was replying todumbassby degauss i mean throw yourself into a rock crusher with your precious little piece of trash crt third world brokie
>>107438903No desu. I do not believe in succumbing to Brandolini's law. Suck my tiny, soft cock.
>>107438930actually the answer is shorter and simpler that this very reply"noone wants them"
>>107438914>by degauss i mean throw yourself into a rock crusher with your precious little piece of trash crt third world brokie>CRT's >associated with poorGods, if only it were. The third world didn't discard them at such a rate, but the first world buys them for several factors above the fair rate.The CRT market bounced back in the civilised, first world west, where markets excelled in the mid 00's and weathered the storm of the GFC.
>>107438940Again, you have proved that Brandolini's law is absolute. Cease breathing while choking on my tiny nub. Many women and men have compared it to the first thinkpad they saw.
>>107438914480p160hz is only 85khz which is low end monitor specs. Higher quality CRTs ran at 120khz and above.
>>107435716Is this real? Does it really lag behind like that? I understand breaking the ming and displaying the wrong color, but what the fuck is this?
>>107438031>don't ask questions just consoom retroomer product and get excited for next overpriced e-waste on ebay
just bought a 500hz oledi'm now convinced framerates are a bell curveif you go that high you see motion blur come back
Can anyone with a recent cell phone tell me if OLED displays still have black smearing at low brightness? I use an s6 edge and at low brightnesses the blacks smear. I thought it was something to do with the pixels having a lower response time at low voltages or something, I wonder if that has been fixed.
>>107439668Redmagic 9 pro here and yes
ive noticed this thought it was just my phone being shit
>>107437775There is no gold standard for motion clarity. CRTs have their set of problems with motion clarity. "Motion clarity" is just illusions playing on the limitations of your meatware. All display technologies are trade-offs and poisons. Just pick the poison you prefer the most.
>>107434180>smearing>shit text rendering>vrr flicker>burn in>green tintbb.b.b.b.b.ut it's simply the best okay??
>>107439668some panels have fixed this issue a long time ago but it's still very hit or miss, friend of mine recently boughted a oneplus 13 and it had terrible smearing, while his older/cheaper shitsel 7a didn't.it sucks that reviews never mention it so if you find it particularly annoying it's a gamble.
>>107439668I have a Pixel 8 and never noticed it, but that's probably because the gamma is shit, so I can't even see dark details to begin with.
>>107439959>smearing only on low brightness phones>shit text rendering your fonts are too small retard>vrr flickerold meme, doesn't exist >burn inif you spend 5 minutes setting up common sense shit it'll take more than half a decade to set in>green tintagain, a low brightness phone issueI had it and it just fixed itself with a little bit of use
>>107435401Maybe if it's an ancient amber terminal or something
>>107440083>only on low brightness phonesI see it on my Lenovo Yoga from 2023.Not that I expect a cheap laptop's screen to be of high quality.
>>107438914My crappy 70kHz 1996 crt can hit 160hz (at 400 lines)it's pretty neat seeing such a low end 13"er at 1064x800i160
>>107435401You can't reason with these retards. They also think CRTs have good contrast when the best mainstream consumer CRTs had 300-500:1 contrast in ideal low-light environments.
>>107435716Did Microsoft just introduce jiggle-physics into their operating system?
>>107435405Made you reply x2 <3
>>107440083>green tint>it just fixed itselflmao you're full of bullshit
>>107435200Fake and Gay.Just capped this at 1/1000 shutter speed on my iphone with my MSI MPG272UX 4K 240HZ oled
>>107440983image related
>>107437641>Meanwhile OLEDs cannot; they are not bright enough to remain usable when a frame is only lit up for a fraction of a millisecond.Please show me the consumer monitor that does noticeably more than 1,000 Hz, since you harp on about those “fractions of a millisecond”.
>>107438031Why can’t you fucks ever tidy up your room? Why is every CRT-faggot always a complete slob?
>>107441187Undiagnosed ADHD.
>>107434180This "video" is not trustworthy because it is beyond recorded by a digital device and then displayed on a different digital advice. Such thins are never indicative of what something looks like to the human eye.
>>107439278It's not a display tech issue, it's a jeet programming issue. Most likely the main window isn't threaded properly and is trying to handle both messaging and rendering in the same thread, which leads to retarded nonsense like this. The problem is solvable if your skin is white.
>>107441459I guess it's the camera that adds a delay to the left only, huh?
>>107441490Nothing about it is trustworthy. There are too many variables and too much unknown information. Are you literally 15 years old? Do you not understand basic principles of observation and verification?
>>107437393>>107438031>>107435377>>107435200>>107440083Why are crttroons like this?
>>107437234>>107437306>>107438190>>107440435keep coping, seething and malding
>>107440994posted it again award>>107441219I'll have you i've been diagnosed
>>107441680what mental illness drives someone to sit down at their computer and make an image like this
>>107441730what mental illness drives someone to crts?
>>107441737i dunno nigger i don't own one. i think you need to go outside.
>>107441747>participating in a crttroon thread>not being a crttrooni dont think so
>>107434180I noticed this immediately when I used a dark photo background on my phone for better battery life. I had to modify the photo so the darkest black was actually (1,1,1) otherwise it'd do this when swiping on the home screen.
>>107441756>are these "crttroons" in the room with us right now?
>>107441785>meds, there are no crttrannies anywherewho does unc think hes fooling bru
>>107441658>>107441680
i wonder how this would look on a crt
>>107441855what mental illness drives someone to sit down at their computer and make an image like this?
>>107441878>what...>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>mental illness...GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>drives someone to sit...GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>down at their computer...>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>and make an image...>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>like this>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
>>107441903typed out xis own fetishes again award
>>107441910>typed out...>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>xis own...>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>fetishes again...>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK>award>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK
>come to crt thread>find autistic meltdowns, gore and dilating in chat...why bro?
>>107440983>>107440994Human eye isn't a 1/1000 shutter high speed camera camera you drooling fucking retard.Read https://blurbusters.com/motion-tests/pursuit-camera/ and watch video related
>>107441173Viewsonic XG2431I'm not sure what the persistence actually is but visually it's around millisecond level
Why would anyone bother with OLED when MiniLED is so obviously the superior tech. All you need is a few thousand dimming zones to get 99% OLED level blacks BUT you also get>way brighter screen>no burn in issues>actually cheaper
>>107442230Enjoy brightness binning millions of LEDs
>>107442245Works fine on my machine (TCL)
>>107442261Post 30% gray
>>107442266Your post is 100% gay
>>107442284I accept your concession.
>>107442303I'm NTA I just thought you should know
>>107442266
>>107442356Respect for actually delivering, didn't expect that.But yeah it's not great.
>>107442245>Contract increasedSo basically, he lied
>>107440789It literally didMy phone screen looked like it had green spots of smeared and improperly wiped water at low brightness when I bought it and now it's gone
>>107442230>way brighter screenirrelevant for desktops>no burn in issuesirrelevant if you do the bare minimum of maintenance>actually cheaperthat shit will last you 5 years at leastoverall i'd say minileds could replace phone screens since those take a lot more punishment and more brightness could be useful since they're not sitting in prepared environmentsmaybe laptops toobut for desktop use? the shit amount of dimming zones as well as the mediocre response time means they're not really worth it as a primary display over oleds, maybe a secondary for content and productivity
>>107435200This isn't sample & hold blur, this is happening due to pixel response time. OLED pixels respond nearly instantly when they're already on, but if they're transitioning from being off (completely black) to a dark grey or something like that, they're much slower.>>107435401This isn't true. Phosphor trails are noticeable but the motion still looks clear, sample & hold blur reduces motion resolution entirely. Like you can read small, moving text with phosphor trails on the screen but you cannot do so with sample & hold blur because the whole thing gets nuked, it's not just a trail behind the object you're looking at.
>>107435716Haven't laugh that much in a while. Thank you.
>>107443547bumped the dnb snca thread again awardchickened out of commiting suicide again award
Keep in mind matroons have to resort to posting their cope on 4chan because they can't afford DDR5 ram and their networth is defined by AM4
>>107443793Wrong thread or chatgpt post?
