>drinking water is broken buggy mental illness. drinking cum just werks
t. OP

>>107462064
X11 version that actually is developed:

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

>>107462255
what more does x11 need to require more development?

>>107462255
I can't wait for graphics card drivers to stop supporting X11 (imminent). The seething from your kind will be legendary and I will enjoy it.

>>107462270
I think xlibre is retarded, but don't most people use the basic modesetting only driver?
>novideo
Oh, right... I keep forgetting about that shit.

>>107462279
90% market share, or whatever and whenever they have an opportunity to choose between a sane decision for their driver and a really stupid one, they pick one even more idiotic than what everyone thought the most retarded option possible was.

>>107462270
It’s not going to happen.
Right now, wayland is still using drivers for x11 universally.
Stop publicizing wayland. Maybe it will go away.

>>107462263
Nothing.
99% of the development of wayland was done on X11 using Weston running in an X Window.

Video games and whatnot don’t really “use” wayland at all. It just opens up a window and the graphics hardware draws directly in there without wayland knowing anything about it.

>>107462270
>the seething from your kind
what do you have against the employed and straight?

>>107462064
Deprecated insecure bloatware for nvidiots.

>>107462417
>Video games and whatnot don’t really “use” wayland at all. It just opens up a window and the graphics hardware draws directly in there without wayland knowing anything about it.
Gamescope is a Wayland compositor.

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>wayland bros I dont feel so good

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>>107462624
the whole point of wayland was to make compositors part of the display manager, because people NEEDED their transparent terminals and useless UI cubes

>>107462624
Valve uses gamescope for a very specific reason that is HDR

The steamOS desktop is still on X11 because wayland is buggy.

Even then to get HDR with gaming you still have to use X server because of xwayland so its not native wayland.

Sorry but HDR is not worth throwing away everything that works just on a broken buggy display manager that is solely made for KDE/Gnome

>>107462846
> needed transparent terminals
That’s the primary function of compositors.
That, and to perform inter anti-aliasing among window frames, borders and decorations.

The whole premise is ridiculous and implausible.

I tried transparent windows for about 30 minutes, found it annoying, and never used it again.
Imagine trying to read a book with moving text and images behind it. Literal transparent monitors exist… not popular.
The conception and promulgation of this nonsense is definitely a mental illness, and I say that in all seriousness. Wayland users should be put on—not just one—but several watchlists.

>>107462856
HDR is another scam, in and of itself.
Most HDRs are not even real, but simulated, which you can do with digital processing. It’s similar to the “contrast” knob on your Trinatron, which is closer to true HDR than all LCD displays will ever be. True HDR would require developments in OLED technology that don’t even yet exist, so most of it is pure videophool bullshit. Yes they really think they can “see” the difference. That’s why it’s a serious mental illness. Would I sell you all this HDR shit? All-new softare to support 10 bit color? New cables? New screens/monitors? New, faster networking, routers, and internet plans? Re-mastered games? Sure I would!

i love when /g/ faggots bring up HDR because in communities where it actually matters (photography, film, art) everyone flames the fuck out of retard noobs that use it

>>107463222
Checked. The HDR and HRT fans are the same people.

>>107462270
so waybros. I hope you all are using gnome right now. Because that's where wayland is walking toward. GNOME only. no one is abandoning it, and it's basically dictating the protocols.

>>107462270
Not really a thing. Xorg itself has supported drm modesetting for years now (which is what Wayland uses) and it's actually the preferred driver over the old ones.
Tell me how exactly they're going to break the common interface that Wayland uses, specifically for X11.

>>107463428
Drew Segfault has veto power over gayland protocols.
So it's literally the special olympics.

>>107465284
Don't disparage retards like that. They do not deserved to be mired in with that antifa literal faggot.

Only secure in a vm'd distro like Qubes. Otherwise Facebook serves you ads about goth girls after browsing a goth Telegram channel.

>>107462270
I'll just keep using an older kernel
there's nothing you can do to stop me :)

>>107462064
Xorg can't really do HDR.

>>107467510

>>107462856
>>107463010

>>107467510
Neither does anyone else
Hybrid Log Gamma, Dolby Vision, HDR10, 40, Plus Whatever.
Put an HDR movie into any PC or TV and have a not terrible dark picture on the first try.
Brits Japs Burgers, Too many competing standards

>>107462255
>https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver
>529 contributors
Seems ol' X11 was gatekeeping real hard. You will notice that this is never mentioned in the news.

>>107462263
It would have taken you just a few seconds to find out:
>Since the fork on June 5, 2025, our by now more than 30 contributors have, e.g., released numerous code cleanups, the Xnamespace extension for separating X clients, and backported the June 2025 X.Org CVE fixes. Together we integrated TearFree by default and allowed enabling atomic modesetting. Xnest was ported to xcb, per-ABI driver directories were introduced, and XQuartz has been added to our build jobs. We have fought through all the issues that have been thrown at us, reached the first stage of the associated workflow, and established our support for packaging XLibre by volunteers. We have also made a first release announcement and created the NEWS.

>>107467767
all that is good, great even, but the tranny pandering is a deal breaker.

>>107467758
found "Sonic DE" on the "Are We There Yet" wiki page, which seems to be a KDE 6 fork aimed at preserving X support. good news for me, I will be able to keep using kwin with lxqt

Wayland is better for gaming:
X11 has no HDR
X11 doesn't support multi-display VRR
X11 will stutter if you have mixed refresh rates and content on both screen
X11 doesn't support fractional scaling

>>107468358
>better for gaming
>has a noticable input lag
wdhmbt

>>107468386
I did latency testing between frame-capped VRR between Windows, X11 and and Wayland (KDE) and there was no difference at all.
I tested Overwatch 2 and Ultrakill. 12 shots on each on a 1000hz camera. They were within a margin of error of each other.

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>>107462255
Wow, just look at these meaningful changes! Wayland is done for.

>>107468408
try an actual game next, and test xlibre, too

>>107468434
I tried 2 games that actually matter for latency and found no difference. I have no intentions of ever putting xlibre on my machine, especially since it suffers the same limitations as X11 and is a downgrade compared to Wayland.

>>107468408
post them

>>107468575
Overwatch 2 (Frame cap = 160fps) Averages:
Windows: 12.81ms
X11: 11.80ms
Wayland: 11.92ms

Ultrakill (Frame cap = 144fps) Averages:
Windows: 8.16ms
X11: 7.90ms
Wayland: 7.42ms

>>107468615
go on

>>107468641
???

>>107467791
>but the tranny pandering is a deal breaker.
Look closer: he will accept code from them but not the drama. Now they hold the hot potato.

>>107468648
your methodology.. pictures of your setup.. things that need to accompany benchmarks.

>>107462832
I used X11 for about 3 hours before I couldn't fucking handle it anymore. if I moved my mouse in a straight line, back and forth, the same distance with my physical mouse every time, my onscreen cursor would go flinging around at different speeds and different distances, sometimes jerking up or down for no reason or even teleporting. If the mouse alone is that bad I can't imagine how the rest of the window system works at all

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>>107468666
I held my mouse up in front of my camera and slammed the button shut. Then I counted the frames between the button being shut and the fire coming out of the weapon.
The frame cap is to keep my display in the VRR window and keep the tests equal.

>>107462064
works on my machine

>>107468767
i believe you did this

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I sees what cher problem is. You put an N-vidyer in yer linnix desktop.

>>107468751
You can turn mouse acceleration off, you know.

>>107463010
Just stopping by to call you a retarded fag. Have a good one!

>>107468805
When moving to Linux earlier this year I wanted to make sure I'm not gimping myself by playing on Linux, thats all.

>>107468831
I did. That was the first thing I did when I experienced that and it changed nothing.

>>107463010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bghzDv8IZkM

Whats the deal with calling modern technologies a scam without any proof? HDR and VRR are objectively improvements with no downsides.

>>107462137
Wayland is cum drinking here
>>107462270
With current trend of fucking customers people might use older GPUs for longer. RX 9060/9070 might outlive Wayland.

>>107468939
meme features
99% users don't even know wtf is this
do you expect developers to buy meme hardware to implement and test them?
I don't see the point
the only teal problem with X was tearing which was a solved problem for a long time

Test

>>107469066
Without VRR your choices are:
VSync on: Buffered frames (Latency). stuttering (If you drop a frame), but no tearing.
VSync off: No buffered frames, but tearing which looks terrible.
VRR: No buffered frames, no stuttering, no tearing.
"meme features" isn't an argument and demonstrate you have no idea what you are talking about.
HDR also looks better than SDR.

>>107462263
HiDPI screen support

>>107462064
X11 is broken buggy mental illness. Wayland just werks

whats the issue with wayland? for me it just werks ootb i had previous issues with my setup on x11

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>>107470048
For users, it breaks things that work under x11. Some have alternatives, some don't. If you never used any of that, and can live with slightly worse latency, that's not much of an issue.
In grand scheme of things, it's horrible overcomplicated mess pushed by corporations to kill potential competition, with spec so bad that it requires extensions or off-spec crutches to do basically anything.

>>107469138
This is of course not true.
VRR only helps, when the output rate of your application is below the monitor refresh rate.
When you have much higher refresh rate or only small poission distributed screen updates like with editors or terminals you get far better latency with VSync off.

I have never heard anyone clearly say what HDR is or why I should care about using it

>>107462137
usecase for water? closed wontfix

Why doesn't janny enforce the no flamewar rule that's even on the sticky? Is he retarded?

>>107470515
War requires mutual attacks, itt we're laughing at waytards.

I was against Wayland until I found out it wasn't written in Rust. But I guess it's pretty old by now so that wouldn't have made sense.

*use wayland*
*use hyprland*
*has no Xorg packages*

Nothing personal

USE="-X"

>>107469754
That has always worked, ever per monitor fractional dpi: https://streamable.com/11lqwl

>>107462064
Not really

>>107470613
Full rewrite of Wayland in Rust might actually kiil it since the only compositor written in Rust is Cosmis, everything else is C/C++

>>107470323
>VRR only helps, when the output rate of your application is below the monitor refresh rate.
Explain what part of my post goes against this.
>you get far better latency with VSync off.
This is only true if you aren't using framerate caps to stay in the VRR window.
Frame capped VRR and vsync off has the same latency because neither are buffering frames.
Nothing I said was incorrect.

>>107470697
Proof that gay *is* a choice.

>>107468408
>>107468615
Well? What was your standard deviation? How did you measure the time from input to the render? If you do intend to bench the display server then you want to count from the time the kernel registers the input, not the physical input time.

>>107469832
My experience is the opposite. Also Wayland has gestures fucking compiled in so even using 3rd-party tools doesn't work because the two end up fighting each other. Literally just don't compile the shit in mongoloid faggots wtf

>>107468819
kek

>>107462064
I agree but spamming this daily wont get more people on X11 side.

>>107470734
>USE="X -wayland -systemd"
FTFY

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>>107463010
>HDR for a display manager
i don't even get what brand of snake oil this is
what are people calling "HDR" and why could it not just be implemented by each program?
a computer display isn't a piece of photographic film

>>107473758
SDR isn't capable of the same level of fidelity as HDR.

>>107473940
Even this isn’t true. HDR is not an absolute thing.
There is a lot of standards and variables to HDR, it’s more of a continuum.
Low-end HDR is most likely indistinguishable from SDR and possibly worse.

I use lots of mods on cyberpunk and skyrim, when using wayland a crash will bring the entire display manager down, on X11 they just crash by themselves.

>>107473758
Needs support for 10 bit color that works differently from the traditional 10 bit, which is what x11 supports.

>>107468852
ill rephrase; i believe that you believe this is sufficient.

>>107474151
> only 10 bit color
In a couple years, you’ll have to trash all your monitors, cables, software, gpus, etc. for new ones when 12-bit color becomes the next thing.
You’ll already be running Wayland-rs and GNOME-rs by that time, since they tied mandatory secure boot to systemd, and systemd will only start signed waylands.

>>107462064
I had a bug severe enough on X.org that it pushed me to Wayland. And I found out that Wayland actually just werks for me

>>107468358
X11 is a display server, it can treat multiple displays as one bigger screen but has limitations. If you want independent vrr you run a separate x11 server per screen.

>>107474240
>In a couple years, you’ll have to
I won't

>>107474111
>a crash will bring the entire display manager down
What the fuck, how? I don't use Wayland anymore but I recall all crashes were handled quite gracefully.

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The fuck is this gay shit

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>>107462064
XLibre is the future

>>107470772
Can I get a qrd?
I have a macbook running Asahi and couldn't figure out how to get the display to look correct on xorg.
Is it just xrandr?

>>107474664
I dont use asahi but it seems like it uses kde plasma? In that case you can use qt/kde specific scaling which supports per monitor fractional scaling. Set:

PLASMA_USE_QT_SCALING=1
QT_ENABLE_HIGHDPI_SCALING=1
QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS="1.5"

environment variables. Note that QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS works with multiple monitors, for example: QT_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTORS="1.5;2" to set first monitor scale to 1.5 and second monitor scale to 2.

For a scaling option that works in other gui frameworks you can modify ~/.Xresources and add: Xft.dpi: 144
which sets scaling to 1.5 (96 * 1.5 = 144).
Note that gtk applications dont support fractional scaling on x11 and neither do they on wayland. Some wayland compositors just set gtk application scaling to an integer value and then downscale the window, which makes it blurry, makes it run slower and uses more power (battery on laptops).

>>107474502
The future chud

>>107468358
>X11 will stutter if you have mixed refresh rates and content on both screen
Only if you use a bad compositor
>X11 doesn't support fractional scaling
Wrong, qt applications support this. Gtk applications dont and neither do they on wayland. Gtk doesn't support fractional scaling. Some wayland compositors set gtk scaling to an integer value and then downscale the window which makes it blurry shit. You can do this on x11 too by using xrandr.

>>107474910
Asahi default is actually Gnome (kek)
I personally just run a tiling window manager setup. I tried with dwm but couldn't get the screen resolution to look right. I will try your suggestions tho.
I was very easily able to get dwl (wayland dwm) to look good just by scaling the screen by 2.0. This is the line from my config.h
static const MonitorRule monrules[] = {
/* name mfact nmaster scale layout rotate/reflect x y */
/* example of a HiDPI laptop monitor:
{ "eDP-1", 0.5f, 1, 2, &layouts[0], WL_OUTPUT_TRANSFORM_NORMAL, -1, -1 },
*/
/* defaults */
{ "eDP-1", 0.5f, 1, 2.0, &layouts[0], WL_OUTPUT_TRANSFORM_NORMAL, -1, -1 },
{ NULL, 0.55f, 1, 1, &layouts[0], WL_OUTPUT_TRANSFORM_NORMAL, -1, -1 },
};

>>107468358
Or you can just be a normal person and buy a single 1440p or 4k monitor and not use meme tech that no normal person uses. Why should the mass majority 95% of people conform to some retard that has 4 screen for a flight sim.

I thought linux's development to rival windows was to match it for the average user, not for whatever retarded shit like HDR or

Daily reminder most people around the world use one screen for their PC.

>>107462459
The employed and straight don't use linux

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>>107474502
Linux moment

>>107462064
HDR? Nope!
Fractional Scaling? Nope!
Screen Tearing? Yes!

>>107468939
HDR is mediocre as shit on an oled
It already has insane contrast by itself and I don't feel okay with the brightness being that high

X stutters no matter what you do

>>107475201
Why do you need HDR, most normies dont use HDR at all and I dont need it. Its a meme.

Fractional scaling? Use a real monitor 1440p 24" or 4K 27" You dont need scaling. Not my fault you need to use a 4k 48" monitor. Install steamOS if you are gaming on a screen that big, freak

Screen tearing? Works on my machine.

> vrr
use two displays
> hdr
colord
> tearing
tearfree/compositor

>>107462064
>X11 just werks
HDR status?

>>107462832
the absolute state of gayland ...

>>107462846
You can do that with X11 without 0 issues. Any compositor can make anything transparent.

I just got my first VRR monitor. I connected it and VRR worked with zero configuration. This isn't even the latest version of Xlibre.
https://testufo.com/vrr

WHY WON'T YOU SUPPORT GAYLAND ?
LOOK AT THE GAYLAND
WE HAVE EVERYTHING THANKS TO GAYLAND
SO SUPPORT THE GAYLAND
LOOK AT THE GAYLAND WE HAVE HDR ON GAYLAND
...

kek

>>107475799
I don't give a fuck about what you need, do you understand?

>>107479385
i have an HDR display and i have it disabled because its basically eye burning technology, you probably don't even have an HDR monitor

>>107480130
Which model

>>107462064
Wayland just works on my machine. Nvidia 3090 no less

>>107474069
HDR is still better than SDR regardless of if it's high end or low end
>>107474455
yeah that's not solution.
>>107474935
>Only if you use a bad compositor
Wrong. This is a hard limitation of X11. The only other solution is to allow all other displays to tear. There is no other workaround.
>>107477849
VRR on X11 doesn't work on multiple displays
You cannot get HDR on an SDR display
There is no proper fix for stuttering / tearing on mixed refresh on x11
>>107479416
VRR works with one display you moron

>>107462270
The only real realistic way that could happen is if Mesa drops X11 support (which would also break xwayland), but they literally support Windows and a bunch of other obscure platforms so that would be a massive dick move to say the least even if Mesa devs are probably all pro-wayland.

>>107479548
HDR support
Mixed refresh support without limitations
Multi-display VRR support
True fractional scaling without upsampling and downsampling (which is blurr)
Get it right

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>>107474502
it's an inside joke

>>107474502
the epitome of trolling, he took the most meme and turned it into its symbol

>>107481712
Do they actually not understand the difference between being maintained and being developed?

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>>107468831

>>107468751
>>107481863

meant for this guy