>Looking into buying a new mobo+cpu>Most mobos have only 2 SATA portsWhat the hell is going on? I have like 6 SATA drives in my current setup that I want to transfer over.
Do you also have a bunch of SCSI drives too? Fucking faggot
>>107470486Flagships have 6 + front panel(2)Lurk moreAvoid asrock, msi etc...Or buy cheep board (there's no shame in it) and plug in a sata controller with 8 ports or 12 SAS ports.
>>107470521/thread
>>107470521Which X870 or Z890 flagship has six SATA ports? Four is now the industry standard for high-end boards.
>>107470486Is your board missing a buzzer?
>>107470486>>107470585Most sites have a fucking filter function for that, use it
get an LSI HBA and enjoy 8 or 16 ports that are compatible with both SAS and SATA drives./thread
Why do you even need sata ports?You can get used 8tb m.2 drives. QLC doesnt even matter at those capacities.
>>107470486where do you need so many mass media devices when cloud services exist? are you a criminal? what are you hiding?
>>107470619No need for profanities, my man
My cheap PRO-A620M-E has 4, wich ones are you looking at
>>107470486Let me guess, you also want a power supply with more molex connectors?
>>107470521>remove the $0.01 components on budget and mid tier products that have been standard since always>its now a premium rgb gaming feature or you have to buy a second overpriced product to plug inSAAAR
>>107470486Nvme is taking pcie lanes.Either get a mobo with more sata, or get a pcie or nvme to sata board.
>>107470683>>107470800Even better
>>107470709>SAAARno, it's actually the jews
>>107470822personally I wouldn't sacrifice an m.2 slot for any amount of sata drives but OP is a retard..
>>107470709sata is slow and worse than nvme, and you can always covert a nvme to sata, see : >>107470822Anyway, you can't have your cake and eat it, consumer cpus have a limited amount of pcie lanes. This is also why many asrock motherboard give you both nvme and a lot of sata but the manual says that if x sata ports are used, this nvme port will be disabled.
>>107470486go make a nas/home server you boomer HDDS are not for desktops
>>107470822what a waste of pcie
>>107470845All modern chipsets have 4 sata ports that are dedicated to sata and can't be changed.Your not giving up anything having 4 sata ports.2 sata ports is pure penny pinching.
>>107470865I said SATA drives and you read that as HDDs, quite telling of your mental capacity
>>107470845on more expensive boards they just downgrade the pcie lanes when you use all of the sata and nvme, I have 4 nvme drives and 6 sata plugged into the motherboard plus another 5 + dvd drive plugged into a pcie sata expansion card
>>107470887Yea i was using my old board for reference which is 8yo.But my point still stand, you don't have infinite pcie lanes.
>>107470878Name an atx board that's not ultra cheap and don't have those ports.
>>107470830I'd rather lose an m.2 than a pcie but yea OP is a retard lol
>>107470903you don't have infinite but each gen is like 16x the lanes per lane so on a gen 5 board you can have tons of gen 3 pcie lanes with sata since there's no point going higher
>>107470885>>I said SATA driveswhat SATA SSDs? Sorry bro I thought you were dealing with 20TB HDD drives, you can go back to those BX500s and shit I can't help with that
>>107470486>Most mobos have only 2 SATA portsLooking at AM5 boards, seems like they have> itx: almost always 2, very rarely 4> matx: mostly 4, sometimes 2, very rarely 6> atx: mostly 4, sometimes 6, rarely 2> eatx: either 4 or 6
Don't you guys have cloud storage?
>>107470486It's extremely frustrating. I built a Plex server recently and I think the max I could find on like 1 board was 8. Had to get a PCI card for more.
>>107472288An HBA specifically not the cheap pci ones.
>>107470486Stop being a brokie and RAID on the NVME slots
>>107470709Welcome to capitalism, rajeesh
>>107470486Most mobos come with 4. Only the AMD A620 boards can really come with only 2. But yeah you need a X870e or a Z890 board if you want more than 4 sata ports. Basically anything below top boards these days only come with 4.
>>107470830>sacrificeIt's not a sacrifice if you're storing a bunch of shit lol. You max out a m.2 at 8TB vs like 160TB of HDD space.
>>107470486/g/ isn't a search engine, search for it yourself or ask Actual Indian for what you're looking for also>tech support thread
iTT: plebs who don't have their own server to offload this shit to. stay pleb
>the state of /g/
When do we get a new sata standard, or is everything going to be usb c soon
>>107472547They haven't stopped updating it, it's just not interesting enough to show up in ads. SATA still gets updated, we're on 3.5a, we use SATA Express, etc. It's just not in your face because it doesn't help sell hardware slop. Now there's little incentive for them to bother, consumer systems have moved on to M.2, enterprise shit uses SAS, even plain USB outperforms it and Thunderbolt 3 mogs even the fastest SATA spec.
>>107472497>anon thinks servers don't have motherboards
>>107472642>anon thinks he's smart but he's just a fucking retard.
>>107472642>SATA is stored in the motherboard
>>107472518and what vendor/website is this? Newegg? I pretty much only shop at Microcenter these days because everyone else is pure garbage.
>>107472665It's been the gold standard for a decade, anon.>>107469596
>>107472657Anon I've been building PCs since before you were born zoomie dipshit>>107472661Yeah, typically.
>>107472614>enterprise shit uses SASSATA is still very much relevant.SAS is only uttered because a SAS controller is what underpins the sata hdds.
>>107472691Yeah the decade of 2000-2010
>>107472791>started in 2011>overhauled and popularized in 2015>2000-2010what did he mean by this?
>>107472797...uhh what? Newegg started in 2001
>>107472826>Newegg>>107472518
>>107472849WHY ARE ZOOMERS SO BAD AT FOLLOWING REPLY CHAINS? Stop going on tangents you fucking illiterate fucks.>>107472665>>107472691
>>107470709A SATA port isn't just a piece of plastic.It needs a controller chip and more crucially free PCIe lanes to connect that chip to the rest of the system.And each chipset having a limited number of PCIe lanes choices have to be made: more SATA ports or more M.2 and PCIe ports.
>>107472939You're talking to people that don't even remember southbridges
>>107472954>i am forgotten
>>107470486
>>107473200>blocks your path
>>107470619>Flagships have 6 + front panel(2)Doesn't seem like it to me, drooling retard. In fact, the only "flagship" to have 6 SATA ports is the ASRock Taichi - a brand you warned people to avoid. Every other top board from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte and so on has 4 SATA ports or less. Seems like you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about and are stuck 10 years behind the times, like most /g/ posters. Having 6 SATA ports is now a niche feature aimed at poorfags, which is why only 8 mid-range boards across the entire AMD and Intel "flagship" platforms have such a setup.Sit down and shut the fuck up.
>>107470486My mobo has 16
>>107473927Have you considered that spinning rust belongs in a nas, not your desktop?
>>107470877At least it's fast.
>>107472435Yeah, but I'd still rather have a fast NVME drive and if I wanted to store a bunch of shit have a little home server/NAS.I actually only have around 4 terabytes of brain memory so if I start storing more shit than that I forget it exists and end up downloading it again.
>>107472932kek you asshole
>>107470486Time to get one of these.>but my shitty board only has a PCIe slot for one GPUThey dont buy absolute trash lol
>>107470619How many of those are using a crappy SATA2 bridge chip? More common than you'd think
>>107475197real talk, the current trend of covering up the the entire section of the board that should have pcie slots with plastic makes me so fukken mad
>>107475256>I need you to give me a thing that's pointless because intel and amd wont support it and there's no usecase.
>>107475256It's to hide the fact that AMD and Intel have cut down the number of PCIe lanes in consumer boards in the last few years, to force anyone with more than 2 PCIe cards to use their HEDT platforms.Also the M.2 standard was made for shitty portable devices, the desktop NVMe standard is called U.2 but you won't see it on any consumer hardware because gaymers are fucking retards who are easily tricked into crappy budget standards as long as it has RGB and the PCB is painted black.
my SAS backplane has 8 open drives slots for drives.to me this is non-server owner shitskin problems.
>>107470521my entry level MSI Z690-A PRO Wifi has 6
>>107475621>Z690>entry level
>>107470486This is that industry-wide trend to push you to the cloud by reducing their costs thing. They win + you lose. Cuz really they think it's okay to coerce you into renting back your own data. The cloud needs to rain already.You could maybe look into NAS options, pretty sure you can max out older hdd r/w speed over ethernet now. Not sure if you can get that sata 6Gb/s without being on the bus... But yeah, this sucks to have to deal with. That kind of extensibility feels like it should be a solved problem for consumer grade gear, but I guess it's not.
>>107475671If you need more that say 4TB of storage you should just build a nas. Even if you don't want to do that there are 28TB hdd's. That's plenty of storage by itself so you can use the second port to add a mirror for redundancy and performance. But please just build a nas if you're looking at 20+TB drives. Maybe there's a niche usecase that needs tones of local high performance storage, and a gpu that's single threaded, but I don't know of any. If you need that local storage you probably could make use of a threadripper anyways, and if you don't then you would probably be better served with a nas. nigger
>>107475656oh is it not? i was under the impression it was since it doesn't come with extra nvme heatsinks
>>107475656>$200 Mobo>not entry levelwhat's it like being poor?
>>107470887>another 5 + dvd drive plugged in
>>107475815they are all plugged into an expansion card, I should upgrade it to a blue-ray drive at some point
>>107475828yea but why on earth would anyone need 5 drives plugged in at the same time, isn't a single one enough? usecase?
>>107475841data hoarding
>>107475841Show me this 240TB drive you speak of.
>>107475841It's 11 SATA SSDs/HDDs, 4 NVME, 1 DVD.
>>107475783This is your brain on gayming
>>107470486They probably assume people will be using the m.2 ports.
>>107475867>>107475854>>107475845sorry, I misunderstood. I thought he was talking about 5 dvd drives at the same time
>>107475905I actually used to have a tower with 8 drives. Pop a CD in the top, run a batch file, 7 copies ready in minutes. This sort of thing was not uncommon in one form or another up through DVD running its course - nowadays it's towers set up to take 128 USB drives or MicroSD cards simultaneously.
skill issue op, my shitty pc has like 8 sata ports and my last one had four eSATA at the back and four normal ones inside>>107472661yes, for small deployments the SAN is obsolete, modern servers come with a gorillion drive bays now
>>107470486tf? a 100 euro am4 board will have at least 6
>>107470486ive got 8, and 5 in use how tf could you manage with 2
>>107475671>That kind of extensibility feels like it should be a solved problem for consumer grade gear,it is, they just intentionally dont include it so they can scalp you if you ever want to have more than one of any given port and need to replace everything every couple years as standards change anyway
Can you IO expand sata or what? I guess the interface is already retard slow though.
>>107475972I'm looking to upgrade not downgrade
>>107476272You can but you'd be better off using an HBA if you have the free PCIe lanes
>>107470486yep miss them olden days
>>107475350tgt;dr>>107475429truth. i am sincerely concerned that the obsessive focus on the gamer market has fucked anyone who has an unorthodox / experimental build, and that the logical outcome is that support for local networking, audio, storage, and other hardware is DOA and left to the cloud giants.in 10 years everyone will be wallowing about how this could have happened.
>>107470513NTA but all my drives are SCSI drives because linux decided every block device is actually a closeted SCSI disk like 20 years ago.
>>107477583Gaming is a large market. Unorthodox / experimental, is not. There are products for these usecases, but they're likely going to be more expensive server products. Motherboards are made the way they are because that's what amd and intel want for the purposes of market segmentation. One 16x slot and 5 m.2 slots is what is useful for 95% of people. Even then most boards have two or three pcie slots, allowing for a nic, second gpu, or hba. I just hate when I see people complaining about this issue as if it's unreasonable that things are the way they are, or that there isn't any solution. This thread itself is solved by op getting a mid tier mobo, which do come with 6 sata, or just getting an hba.
>>107475709>If you need more that say 4TB of storage you should just build a nas.Where do you come up with this kind of arbitrary stuff?A NAS is only useful if you need to be able to access your storage from multiple devices or remotely. If you're hoarding the kind of stuff that you never intend to leave your PC anyway, then there's no point in offloading it to a dedicated device, no matter how many jiggabytes it takes up.
>>107478868I started to type an esay at you but it's 3am so just imagine I did that and also you're gay and wrong.
>>107479187don't need an essay, just tell me what the fuck is the point of having networked storage if the usage is entirely local.
>>107478513The problem is that motherboards and the PC market in general always tried to cater to 100% of the market as it could with near every product. Any feature they could find room and budget for was there.Suddenly they are now only allowed to appeal to the lowest common denominator?
>>107479231Stability, data integrity, logistics of using the amount of disks that is reasonable for having large amouts of data due to the speeds of a single disk, software, and not having to compromise on both data storage and whatever you're doing with your desktop to have both in the same machine.
5 No.107473927nothing burger don't be a faggot.pay a pci add in board that supports more Sata devices.you get a extra 4 and its not all that expensive.this thread is bait. and buy a full atx board. not the little ones if you got tons of drives.
>>107478513>Even then most boards have two or three pcie slots, allowing for a nic, second gpu, or hba.And most of them are 1x slots which are mostly useless for cards that require the bandwith
>>107479567pretty much nothing you said applies exclusively to networked storage.>not having to compromise on both data storage and whatever you're doing with your desktop to have both in the same machine.that's the only valid point, and even that boils down to>tfw need a case that holds HDDs instead of anime figurines
>>107472979That's the worst example. Lack of Socket 775 boards with nForce chipsets on the used market should clue you in on why.
>>107482326You're retarded
>>107470877ok, but what if the chip supported RAID?
>>107483546concession accepted
>>107479567If I just want more storage I'll buy a disk enclosure and put drives in cold storage until I need them.
>>107472518And only one of those is AM5, three are fucking threadripper, one is for Bulldozer and one is friggin FM1 for old amd fusion chips.Your only solution is getting a PCIE or m.2 to SATA card. Most motherboards get extra SATA connectors from those anyway, since motherboard chipsets simply do not have more than 4 native SATA connectors nowadays. You can't do anything about this.
>>107482503>>107472979Nvidia not releasing nForce chipsets for Vista is like half the reason why that OS had crap reputation; most high-end boards at the time of its release (before Core 2 Duo) very often used nForce chipsets. So you got a high end dual core Athlon 64 X2 board and Vista bluescreened on the installer.
>>107486175Get it? Do you get the joke? My joke here, do you get the joke, do you get it? You get it, right? Yeah you get it.
>>107473397These don't support ASPM so they'll double the idle power use of your machine. Pretty critical if you run it 24/7.The m.2 cards with ASM1166 chipsets support ASPM, so they are simply the only good solutions that exist. Unfortunately some cards have crap firmware that makes them show up as having 32 ports under linux.
>>107470486sata ports eat into pci lanes. Just buy a pci adapter if you need more sata ports. this is a non issue. People want m.2 drives, not garbage sata drives
>>107475841>usecase?Doing "real work" that requires me to rip various content from disc formats. Yes I do need a DVD drive and a Bluray drive because modern bluray drives are shit and can't properly handle older CD/DVD formats. Yes I do need 6 HDDs in the same machine because I need storage options beyond what these modern crappy storage formats can provide. Yes I do enjoy my spinning rust where I don't have to worry about the storage device dying and losing everything as part of its inherent design flaws. Yes I do need to write several TBs of data every minute and often I need to delete it as soon as I'm finished with it. Yes I do own a NAS and yes it has far more storage than whatever bullshit you've shoved next to your ISP provided router/modem/spying device. Yes my LAN is much faster than yours and it still can't transfer data as quickly as an HDD in a SATA port. Yes, I do want to avoid sending that data over the network so it isn't congesting my switch for no good reason. Yes, I have been doing this much longer than you have and I know more about it than (you). Yes, I do have piles of HDDs laying around from the last 3 decades and I sometimes want to plug them into my workstation and pull the data off of them.Yes, I still have a floppy drive in my workstation as well. Along with a PS/2 keyboard and various other "legacy" hardware because I'm not a fucking retard.Yes, my networth is much larger than yours.What's the usecase for dumb retarded faggots like (you)? I'm convinced there isn't one and we should take all of you faggots out behind the shed like the rapid dogs you are and put a bullet in your head.
>>107470683>>107473200>>107473397>>107475197can't boot into your OS because mb can't boot off apdapter>
>>107470486Use case for drives? Just use AI, retard.
Just get a NAS.
>>107487927>implying that isn't what we're building
>>107470822Dios mio
>>107486335>still have a floppythank fuck for cialis, eh old man?>also have decades worth of crap but no FDD in workstation>have USB FDD for doing the needful
>>107470486Get a $50 PCIe 3.0 HBA in JBOD mode.Should be able to run 8 drives on an x4 PCIe slot no problem.Be aware that if you run SATA SSDs on them, certain newer cheap SSDs don't support RZAT/DRAT (for no good reason) and won't trim through the HBA. If you have SAS SSDs you're completely fine.If you're using HDDs there's nothing special to be aware of.
>>107489175>Be aware that if you run SATA SSDs on them, certain newer cheap SSDs don't support RZAT/DRAT (for no good reason) and won't trim through the HBA.translation pls
because everyone has moved on to the much faster nvme socket instead
