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>>107478554
Price history, holy fuck.

>>107478554
Don't buy it then poorfag

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>>107478557
lol, i bet speculators and scalpers have joined the game alongside the ai fags now, it's gonna be fun building a computer in 2026

>>107478554
I enjoy it when stupid people can't afford useless things.

>>107478554
Don't forget you will also bail out the AI companies if/when they can't pay back the debt they are using to buy out all the hardware.

>supply and demand is... le bad!
can this board shut the fuck up already

>>107478554
RAM manufacturers making the best year ever

>>107478640
>no supply is... le good!

>>107478640
RAM is being supplied to the wrong people demanding.

>>107478640
>supply and demand
Doesn't work when there's price fixing

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>>107478557
So basically the takeaway is that you had literally years to buy some DDR5 at a bargain price, didn't, and yet are now shitting your XXXL adult diaper because you can't have some NOW NOW NOW?

Can't wait for 64GB for 50$ max after the bubble will burst

>>107478640
>AIslop is... le good...
this nigga

>>107478640
demand artificially inflated by circular investment might be bad

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>>107478554
RAM is the new shitcoin.

>ALL OF A SUDDEN I NEED THE MOST RAM TO JERK OFF TO CARTOONS ALL DAY
You were "getting by" fine with 8gb. Stop being hysterical faggots.

>clanker generation uses graphics cards and their vram (gddr7)
>normal system ram prices explode (ddr4/5)
Yes, yes, I fully understand this.

if you cant afford this then you need to be prioritizing other things in your life than video games

>>107478554
>>107478557
Christ.

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>>107478554
DDR5 is the new ETH.
Buy it for $1,200 and sell it for $4,900 at the peak.

!!!!! PC MASTER RACE !!!!!!

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>>107478554
what is the issue?

>>107478728
All the manufacturers would have pulled out by then and reformatted all their factories. 3 year wait after crash.

>>107478554
I just watched some guy claiming that the next crime wave will be people breaking into homes to pull RAM out of computers.
Seems a little extreme to me, but maybe we'll see people smash-and-grabbing RAM out of computers in stores. Especially the glass sided ones.

is SODIMM DDR4 also going up? I have some spare sticks from my old laptop

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All has happened before and all will happen again.

>You are just comping
Yes. I'll admit. I'm the eternal waitfag. Currently waiting for DDR6 to arrive.
My previous waits have all been a success. The products arrived on the market. And then I didn't buy them, because why would I do that? I merely shifted my gaze to a new point on the horizon, like DDR6 in this case. It's going to be worth the wait, look at those bandwidth figures. DDR5 can't compete. Why would you spend money on that. Especially at current prices.

The best thing is, you can wait for multiple things at the same time. So besides the wait for DDR6, I'm also waiting for the prices of ram to come down. Then I'll buy some ddr4 and ddr3 to upgrade my systems. Or, maybe not.

>>107479203
you think this is a joke?
people are already doing it with GPUs
they will start doing it with RAM too

>>107478554
>>107478557
>Bro, capitalism totally works
>Muh supply and demand
>The market will self-correct in 2 more weeks

>>107478640
>b-but m-muh free market
RAM market is an oligopoly, manufacturers punished for literally forming a cartel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAM_price_fixing_scandal

>>107478557
EVERYTHING SUCKKKKKKSSSSS

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do people buying ram like this really use amazon to buy it?

>>107478640
Demand is fuelled by unsound money printed by the Fed and distributed to cronies.

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can this faggot stop already

>>107479900
do they even have the money on hand? I hope memory companies dont get the paycheck they expect and lose a couple billions for being greedy

>>107479900
Best part is this is purely a denial strategy, they are literally taking un-tested, un-diced wafers and puttin them in warehouses, they are buying multiple years of datacenter build a year from them.

By the way, is this deal only for 12, 24 months or longer?

>>107479984
Actually just checked, this deal might last until 2029

>>107478554
I heard somewhere that data centers are even buying up RAM from retail, so prices are adjusted to take advantage.

>>107479900
Does this hardware just sit in a warehouse for years until they finish building these datacenters if it even comes to that?

>>107478554

$ doas dmidecode --type memory | grep -i "Speed"
        Speed: 6000 MT/s
        Configured Memory Speed: 6000 MT/s
        Speed: 6000 MT/s
        Configured Memory Speed: 6000 MT/s

$ cat /proc/meminfo
MemTotal:       64914032 kB

kek I bought the exact same set for $200 during cyber monday in 2023

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>>107479389
>Supply meets demand finally
>AI bubble blows up
>All manufacting goes out of business

>>107480018
It's panic and denial, they are just all trying to deny supply to each other now. We're stuck in the middle of a corpo cold war.

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>>107480018
>>107480090
This?

>>107479389
could you point me in the direction of some communist DDR5, comrade

>>107478725
This is a stupid way to look at things. Your motherboard dictates whether or not you can even use ddr5 ram and a vast majority of people don't build new PCs more than twice a decade. Chances are the only reason people didn't buy sooner is because they were holding off building a new PC until they were promised big gains over their last one, and it required getting a new motherboard to do so. This price hike probably scared a bunch of people into building a new one earlier than they planned to avoid it getting even worse.

>>107479900
The best part is that he's literally just sitting on raw wafers, just to fuck over his competition.
Completely desperate move by a man whose scam is about to fall in on itself.

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>was too young and stupid during the early bitcoin days
>[years of neeting my life away while bitcoin believers became multimillionaires with little investment]
>just got a job recently and was too broke to hop on the RAM train
>[...]
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN

>>107480155
Sauce? That sounds too retarded to be true even by AI bubble standards.

>>107478554
That's the price for the product.
If you want the product, you have to pay that price.

>>107478694
Willing and able to pay = correct people.

>>107478696
>there's price fixing
Start a anti-competitive class-action lawsuit.

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>>107480188
>we just borrowed billions of dollars from each other to increase our GDP by 900000%
>and then we bought the WHOLE world's supply of memory! can you believe it
>those stupid goyim fell for it hook, line and sinker

>>107478728
TWO
WEEKS!!!
...
Or months.
...
Or years.
...

>>107479367
>My previous waits have all been a success. The products arrived on the market. And then I didn't buy them, because why would I do that?
t. Eternal Waitfag
STFU.

>>107480117
>>107480117
>>107480117
This can't be happening...

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It appears the "two years" assholes were correct.

>>107479367
>Yes. I'll admit. I'm the eternal waitfag. Currently waiting for DDR6 to arrive.
>My previous waits have all been a success. The products arrived on the market.
Lol based. I think I'll just wait too. My 4x4gb ddr3 is still working for now.

I dont think waitfagging will work this time

>>107478725
$300 wasn't a bargain price. I've got my DDR5 sticks at $250.
I can't bet on imbeciles and shitniggers like you playing Pokemon Card scams with computer RAM. This shit is only happening artificially because you low-IQ retards get price advice from youtubers kys.

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>>107478557
Just wait

>>107480212
Literally you niggers said the same thing over the GPU bubble and the VR bubble. Worst case: China will start making DDR5 under generic brands and we see a price drop by late next year. kys. the two week doomposting from indians driving speculation bubbles should be met with permabans

I sold my 3090 during the GPU shortage and made $2000. I guess I'm going to sell my 256GB kit now

>>107480300
They said the same shit over motherboards during COVID and GPUs. These retards assume nobody is making more due to increased demand.

>>107480357
shoot yourself rahjeet. or hire the village goat to stomp your empty head in.

>>107480399
Waitfagging might work but youll have to wait 2 years. I waited but a few days snd ssd drives have gone up like over $30

I'm so fucking sick of these AI Jews

>>107480365
Lmao that literally graph happened on two of my portfolios while I was away on holidays for a month.
Literally turned off my comps in the stealth phase and turned them on again to find myself already returned to the mean, I was like a cunt over it kek

>>107480378
>China will start making DDR5
Laughably pathetic.
With what lithography machines?
Those ones on the strict export ban list?
Made in the Netherlands with extremely precise optics?

>>107480410
>I waited a few days
You gotta' wait a bit harder than that, pajeet.

>>107480393
But nobody is making more because nobody knows if the demand will last. Everyone thinks we're in an AI bubble, companies won't risk it and even if they did, you can't spin up new memory factories overnight.

Honestly i can't wait for this to escalate, just think Google, MS, OAI, etc hiring mercenaries to blow up each others datacenters.

>>107480445
Im not going to wait two years my ssd drive is almost full. I might have to settle with 2tb now

>>107478554
I want anyone involved in this shit to die in long drawn out agony

>>107478696

Cool it down with the antisemitic remarks, goy! Remember the Shoah!

>>107480448
>you can't spin up new memory factories overnight
What's the lead time?

>>107480155
>burning existing stock to bump up the value of remaining stock
reminds me of crypto tactics 101 but the 'remaining stock' in this case is his AI grift

>>107480476
Why?

>>107480497
3 years minimum. usually 4+ years

>>107480508
>Why?
You too

>>107480150
>a vast majority of people don't build new PCs more than twice a decade
Then they can wait a couple of years for the current supply constraints to ease. The single and only reason a person would be desperate to upgrade before then it to play childrens' gaymes, which are not important. You don't need DDR5 to check your email and post on 4chan.

>>107478568
I hope they put a data centre in your town and your utilty bill goes 3x

>>107478554
to be fair that is cl30 which is stupid anyway

>>107480476
I'm not going to pretend to understand any of this, but I agree with you 100%.

>>107480586
what are your adult hobbies?

>supply decreases
>prices jump x10
>supply increases
>prices take a year to come down
Oy vey.

>>107481049
Prices for a lot of other tech shit, like gpus, never actually re-adjusted full stop after they artificially inflated.

This will 100% just be the price of ram going forward. (((They))) want to push everyone to cloud gaming. Mark my words. Its coming, in a year or two, companies like microsoft will be pushing it hard because they'll have made purchasing pre-built towers or individual components near impossible for 95% of people.

>>107481174
So if the AI bubble pops they can pivot their fuck huge data center into general cloud computing cause the little goys cant afford a pc, not that theyd even want one if the "cloud pc" was sold for a tenth of the price.

>>107478554
>WTF is this?

Infinite money printer chasing finite goods.

>>107480991
checking the stock market, drinking wine and playing golf

>>107481200
Exactly. Its a neat little parachute if AI pops, and even if it doesn't, they'll still push this anyways. They'll charge everyone $25-$30 / mo to use their cloud gaming hardware and you'll still have to buy your games on top of it.

>>107481174
Nobody gives a shit about gooming, it's about making local AI LLMs completely unaffordable for most people.

>>107481240
>nobody cares about a $240 billion industry
heh
Also this isn't a one or the other issue, which is my point. All these ai shenanigans pricing everyone out of owning proper pc hardware is going to accelerate the cloud gaming push significantly.

>>107481240
Well local sized llms will get smarter and more efficient and you can already run "good enough" outputs on a single 12g vram card let alone an attainable pc like mac mini pro or other unified memory device. Pushing beyond that is all placebo desu as someone who has used both, you can get almost everything you need out of local llms with better prompting/settings and setup outside of stuff like one shotting huge chunks of code or science research type stuff.

>>107481288
>Well local sized llms will get smarter and more efficient and you can already run "good enough" outputs on a single 12g vram card let alone an attainable pc like mac mini pro or other unified memory device
the speed makes it almost unusable

>>107481284
only if cloud gaming stops being shit, which it won't

>>107480117
Fake, because datacenters can't use UDIMMs for their systems. They are on platforms limited to RDIMMs, LRDIMMs.

>>107481323
Its already not that shit. I have family that have been relying on it, and its not bad.

If you think the normies who want to play on pc care, they won't. Especially as it improves over the next few years.

>>107480155
Negative, they need supply to build into RDIMMs, LRDIMMs fitted their systems for datacenter.
The massive price hike on UDIMMs is just manufactured FOMO and panic buying by the memory cartel. They wanted to milk the whales. They saw that GPU vendors and motherboard vendors pull off back with COVID-19 with its rounds of price discovery trick that cause the price floor to increase. Memory cartel hope that they can make market accept UDIMMs to sold at almost the same price points as RDIMMs/LRDIMMs.

>>107480586
You need DDR5 to build current platform you dingus. This is impacting the entire industry. SMB and enterprise companies are being forced to upgrade to Windows 11 due to Windows 10 sunset. This is causing a surge of new systems which are on platform which can only accept DDR5 in some shape or form.

RAM will be cheap again in 6-12 months. Calm down.

>>107481333
who says they're buying to use it?

>>107481411
They dont need XTREEM GAYMER RGB 9001Mhz CL10 however.
/pcbg/ fags dont realize they are the ones being the most shafted out of all of this.
RAM has gone up everywhere but it's going to be much less of a problem for OEMs than gaymers.

>>107481422
At current prices you are an idiot if you are buying with no intention on using it . If they are trying to buy current inventory and simple hope to flip it for a sucker for a sucker. They are going to be in for a rude awakening when the funny money disappears.

>>107480202
>just start a lawsuit against the big tech heavily sponsored by the state bro

>>107478554
DRAM package prices only doubled, and that's not even the whole cost of the memory stick, this is retailers scalping. Remember that.

>>107481441
It is already a massive problem for OEMs and F1000 companies that are outside the ML/AI circlejerk. Procurement is going to be a nightmare with delays being bottleneck by constrained DRAM supply.
AI bubble collapse is going to be worse then dot.com burst.

>>107481411
>being forced
nobody is holding a gun to their heads

>>107481547
It is called security compliance and legal liabilities.
F1000 don't have the luxury to forgoing Windows 11 on their ecosystem.
>"MAH *nix"
Which causes more time and money to transition their entire ecosystem to.

>>107481451
You are the idiot with no noooticing power. This happens 2 weeks after Trump decided to make a civilian-government fusion regarding AI and you still think this scarcity is a coincidence that is based on material needs?

So if you want the real reason: the US have decided that nobody in the western world will be allowed to not use OpenAI, so they are making sure that no independent data-center that would run open source chinese AIs will be allowed to exist.

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>>107478554
welcome to the future big boy
you'll have to rent your DRAM
and it might be shared with the NSA+

>>107478554
Just fucking buy it. What are you, an poor?

I have 192gb of ddr4 I'm not using which I should sell but I can't bring myself to do so

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Trust the plan.

>>107481333
They can salvage the DRAM modules and do whatever

>>107478554
https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/sam-altman-s-dirty-dram-deal

>>107482455
It's not a real shortage, DRAM manufacturers refuse to increase capacity BECAUSE they don't want a glut after.

>>107480146
https://www.cxmt.com

>>107482466
what's he going to do with all the wafers? play ultimate frisbee?

>>107478640
They shouldn't be reaching into the consumer hardware pool. They should be making deals between themselves and ram makers like they do with Nvidia for Ai clusters.
The fact that they're all on unlimited government money means that they are not an entity of their own/the free market and shouldn't be treated as such.

>openai gets beaten by google
>instead of simply trying to make a better product, they fuck the hardware market to try to hinder the competitors
if there were any justice in this world that company would get burned down to the groud and scam saltman would get raped by a pack of feral niggers and then beheaded

>>107479471
Happens sometimes, yes. Obviously if you are a datacenter you'd probably buy in bulk straight from the manufacturer, but that does not describe all businesses that may need 2tb of ram.

>>107480158
>bitcoin believers became multimillionaires
may i see them?

>>107482514
>the consumer hardware pool
DRAM modules are same for consumer and enterprise. They are packaged into ECC registered etc for segments afterwards

>They should be making deals between themselves
OpenAI did that, sneaked a deal with SK Hynix and Samsung. Everybody else got surprised and started panic buying. Sucks to be the little guy

>>107478694
>no you see, i deserve to get this product for less money than other people are willing to spend on it
shut the fuck up commie faggot

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>>107478630
me too hahahaha i love seeing them how they seethe like little bitches

>>107482630
RAM market is not free, they are literally a cartel
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_10_586

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>>107479367
>All has happened before and all will happen again.

>>107478554
>WTF is this?
The market price. I have never claimed that the market price is always fair and democratic.

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it's so simple that I am surprised that everyone hasn't seen it yet, it started with GPU's and now it's going to ram, soon you won't be able to own a powerful PC anymore, it will all be mobile or console style shit.
If you want more power then you have to rent it, you will own nothing and be happy.

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>>107479446
>seething this hard over useless shit
lmao even

>>107480378
Sure thing, Ping.

>>107479389
funneling fake money into companies that don't make anything but spend billions of dollars is the opposite of "capitalism". whatever system we have now needs another name.

>>107478554
I put 128gb in my new build a few months back and am starting to consider whether I should sell some of it. Even half would get me a good $1k, right? But will I then be stuck with 64gb forever as prices continue to climb? Hard choices...

>>107482677
In fifteen years surely someone in the EU could have scrounged together a competitor to break the cartel. They lack the means to produce high end memory? Too bad you get what you deserve.

>>107478557
never coming back down again btw

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>>107478554
>>107478557
comically absurd
>>107482839
agreed, but what do we call such unchecked avarice?

>>107480471
then delete your cp from it, i'm sure it will go down to 3% usage

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>>107478554
That's a BARGAIN! Compare to picrel.

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>>107478554

Just think about it, OP

Production of RAM cards is increasing because of the shortage. When the AI bubble pops in 2 years, RAM will be cheaper than ever

I wouldn't worry about it. If the AI investment craze was actually justified, which i doubt, I'm sure the tariff guy in chief would twist their arm to increase production in due time.

>>107481413
Backorder is already 2 years out and that's not even for the consumer market.

>>107481411
>You need DDR5 to build current platform you dingus.
Sure, if you want to jerk off to your Cinebench scores. Otherwise AM4 is still perfectly viable.

>>107482979
>I'm sure the tariff guy in chief would twist their arm to increase production in due time.
That's really not how it works. The entire world needs microchips and the few companies making them could comfortably tell the U.S. to fuck off and keep doing just fine.

>>107482945
oh wow.
I bought a 2x16GB 7400MHz C36 kit this summer that I'm not currently using, how much do you think it would sell for?

>>107482945
That's the amount I have installed right now and I'm an utter poorfag.
Feels fucking unreal. Wouldn't be able to afford it now.

>>107482978
It's not, the big 3 stopped increasing production to slow down the drop in price RAM saw last year and aren't confident enough in the AI bubble to change course yet.

>>107482630
lower your tone when talking to me, bootlicker.

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>>107478554
chasing AI god.

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>>107482335
>>107482728

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>be me
>building out a new server
>need ram
>managed to find 32GB sticks of DDR4 on newegg for $54 each
>buy 4 of them
>already not enjoying spending this much
>fast forward a month
>they more than doubled in price
oof. Looks like im never filling up the other 4 slots on my server

>>107483035
Last time i checked TSMC was strongarmed to build factories in the US.

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>>107478554
Keep seething, it's all your fault anyway

>>107480158
who the fuck knew bitcoin would explode like that when it was for pennies. seriously you think you would hold into it well into 100 000???

>>107483107
I don't really get AI to be honest. No one likes it except the people making it (and gooners) so who are they making it for?

>>107482728
>it's so simple that
you somehow got it wrong lmao
GPU prices have fallen to MSRP save for 5090 where Nvidia has no competition

>>107478554
Really bad times

Ok so a bunch of rich folk are building the tower of Babel and they know it will ethier work or fall on all of us.

>>107483235
What does "work" mean though?

>>107483149
>who are they making it for?
Investors.

>holiday season
>everything price spikes because amerifats are gigaconsoomers
>there's no correlation at all
amazing how this works every year

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>I wish Apple would offer RAM at market prices

>>107482586
*raises hand*

technically I am one, just not when you count it in dollars.

>>107483043
As a Ryzen user I wouldn't want DDR5-7400 CL36. Ask Intel owners if they can use this.

>>107483525
>As a Ryzen user I wouldn't want DDR5-7400 CL36.

Why, if I may ask?

It's not entirely useless, if you use an iGPU build (8600G, 8700G) it can give you as much as 20%+ extra FPS.

>>107483135
Yeah. I knew about Bitcoin from here when it was like 10c. Even if I bought some, I would've sold at like 1k or something.

>>107478554
What are you, poor?

>>107478554
I work for a semiconductor chemical supplier, for he likes of Samsung and such, we had to increase prices nearly 300%

>>107478728
history has proved that CEOs would rather destroy food and let the population starve to death, rather than lower the price of it
and you think it's going to be different with computer parts? lmfao

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You will use parts salvaged from laptops and you will be happy

My solution to the RAM price problem is to simply earn more money.

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>>107478554
>crypto shit ruined GPU's
>now AI slop ruin gpu's, ssd's, ram and society itself
wake me up from this Hell

THOU WILL OWN NOT A THING

>>107478728
if the bubble bursts the last thing you'll be trying to get is ram sticks

>>107478554
I'm still on AM4 and AM5 is such a minor upgrade that I'm glad I skipped it. Maybe if AM6 comes, the companies will upgrade their RAM again and the market will be flooded with used DDR5. But still, I don't care because AM5 is not worth switching to.

>>107478557
What's the GPU price hike gonna look like in 2026?

>>107483244
What they are hoping is that they will build the machine god that will be their perfect slave, they can then proceed to use it to eliminate all the useless eaters and the planet will be shared between maybe a few thousand people at most living like gods with all their robots and a few hamlets each of feudal slaves that they occasionally pick out children to rape and torture from.

>>107478557
What website is this?

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>>107483870
https://camelcamelcamel.com/

So, what's the end game? I don't think most people are dumping 1k USD into RAM

>>107479302
I'd love to see people breaking into datacenters, but I don't think you exactly use the stuff in them on consumer hardware. We'd need some Chinese and Russian middlemen to mold them into stuff that might end up exploding.

>>107483920
make home computing unaffordable to sell you subscriptions to cloud computing

>>107483149
replacing humans

>>107483920
this
>>107483936
and replacing humans.
Gabe is in his waterworld in the sea, rest of those techcunts have bunkers in NZ.

>>107483920
Realistically?
To get more people into subscription services instead of letting them run powerful personal computers

>>107483920
Everything in the Cloud™

>>107479900
Stop being homophobic, it's mean and you look like a fool.

>>107482839
real capitalism has never been tried

>>107483549
It doesn't have an EXPO profile with the settings I want to use with my Ryzen (DDR5-6000 CL30). I assume your RAM could run at those settings, probably even stable, but I would have to dial in and test all the numbers manually. Only few people want to spend their time on this.

>>107483936
How do you do cloud computing with no RAM?

pay up goy

64 gigabytes for $1200 is the sweet spot *rubs hands*

>>107484741
The RAM shortage applies only to (You). All production capacity is going towards datacenters.

>>107479100
Why produce consumer RAM when VRAM provides a much better profit margin?

>>107480437
CXMT already manufactures DDR5 for their domestic market. There’s another company that does too I can’t remember the name of. Memory doesn’t require EUV, density is achieved using other techniques like stacking and 3D gates

>>107483669
peak humiliation ritual

>>107481451
That's poor person economics
OpenAI is being given half a trillion in tax dollars which they can use to play 6d chess with

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>>107480437
kek this is the final cope isn't it? Like when the Chinese were totally never going to be able to manufacture shit without our supervision when we moved all our manufacturing to China.

Luckily for us, China is making huge strides in fab tech and by 2030 will likely have reached ASML with fully domestic chains. Not so lucky for you, because the US will sperg out and sanction the shit out of it, so while the rest of the world enjoys cheap hardware your third world shithole will get to pick between cartel hardware sold at a 20x markup, and tariffed hardware tariffed to a 25x markup.

CXMT's timeline is even shorter, with this bullshit expect CXMT stuff to show up in the first world within 2 years.

>>107478640
This is an artificial price hike to prove out the average Joe to get all the memory for themselves. They all should shove these sticks up their asses, disgraceful.
Fuck off falseflagger.

>>107479389
The gambling house with values being defined by buzzwords and infinite money coming from nowhere is not a necessary capitalist feature.

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>>107478554
This RAM i bought back in May is now $359.99.

Holy shit I dodged a bullet.

>>107479389
>Bro, capitalism totally works
capitalism and the free market died with reagan, now we have a crony capitalism with inside trader politicians and companies that write laws for them.
companies aren't split anymore when they should (every single fagman would have been split pre-reagan) and monopolies are seen as fact of life and "there is nothing we can do about it, my good sir, absolutely nothing, standard oil company? at&t? never existed, move on with your life or else"
capitalism and free market absolutely work but that requires an heavy-handed control that does not walk on egg.
every single execs from a ram company should be locked up for 40 years at the minimum, it's the same when intel get tens of billions of taxpayers money to build fabs in the us but decide to suspend all projects once the money is pocketed, absolute scum behavior, heads need to fly, literally.
>>107485511
>because the US will sperg out and sanction the shit out of it
not happening, orange pedophile has less than 6 months to live given his current dementia progress, it's joever for magatards, no one will be able to replace him
>so while the rest of the world enjoys cheap hardware your third world shithole will get to pick between cartel hardware sold at a 20x markup, and tariffed hardware tariffed to a 25x markup.
european have a bettter lifestyle than most americans for less than half the salary, everything in the us is already overpriced and the middle-class is basically poverty class.
I don't understand what's the point of the second amendment if when under an actual oligarchy with corrupted law and corrupted power they do nothing, the general apathy in the us in deafening, I though they liked guns and freedom? why are they letting companies mog them while they work 5 jobs just to get by?
so much for muh freedumb...

>>107484693
top kek

>>107484693
It was, it worked, and then we fucked it up.
Also real communism was tried and more or less works, it's called the amish.
Seems like you need religion and rigid rules to make it work after all.

You guys:
1. Never complained about insane PC part prices, and if you did, you bought it anyway.
2. Never explain *why* you need 64gb of ram, and if you do need it, why you won't fork over the $1000+ for it.
Anything requiring such large amounts of ram should undoubtedly be making you money. You faggots want an expresso machine to make hot chocolate.

>>107485880
It's spelled espresso FAGGOT.

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>>107485880
>2. Never explain *why* you need 64gb of ram, and if you do need it
Dont need to, i just want it
t. desktop has 64GB DDR5 that I paid less than $150 for (6 months ago)
t. home server has 128 GB of DDR4 I paid $225 for (last month)
i just deployed a docker kubectl stack on the server and it eats 22 gigs at idle

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>>107485880
I already have 64gb DDR5 because I use it to run AI models on my gayming PC. Yes I use all of it. At least 75% of my PC's uptime is spent with the RAM full.
I was going to upgrade to 128gb because there are still things I cannot do with only a meager 64gb. But now I can't do that anymore.

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>>107478806
funny to me how bad i am at picking stocks crypto etc but somehow managed to buy over 256GB of ram across my 4 workstations over the last couple years right before everything went up. even got my 4090 for $2k like 3 years ago. wtf is happening. i wish there was a utility to see how much my setup is worth at this point.

>>107478554
Pay up, goyim

>>107478554
>Sam Altman
>faggot
>Peter Thiel
>faggot
>both anti human moral relativist megalomaniacs
Why are faggots like this?

>>107485800
>It was, it worked, and then we fucked it up.
When? 2008? Central bank money seems to be running the show these days, not profits.

>>107482551
>>openai gets beaten by google
Anthropic was already beating it and has been for quite a while, at least when it comes to the strength of the model. But it doesn't matter, OpenAI/ChatGPT has brand recognition and that's all that matters.

>>107483024
F1000s aren't ordering hardware and platforms that are almost a decade old now.

>>107485663
The only unique thing I would ascribe to americans is how remarkably pacified they are for all the dumb shit nobody else in the developed world puts up with. It is a sleepwalking culture that exists to subsidize its investor class.

>>107481861
Wrong, the reason it is happening is because USA took the bait of going into "AI/ML war" with China". It cannot afford it but it must commit because of "American Exceptionalism". China already won and are laughing their asses off.

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>>107486167

>have had 32GB PC for ages
>does what I want
>prices suddenly skyrocket
>now I want to upgrade
what causes this retardation?

>>107486458
the moment you find out you can't have something you want it more. also the back of your mind just assumed that if you ever did need more RAM it would always be there and you could just buy some. But now that it costs a million shekels it's thinking "oh no, what if I need more RAM now?" and goes into a scarcity mindset of "acquire thing, ensure you have more than enough"

basically your monkey brain is just like that

>>107486458
fomo, you're scared of the prices going higher so you want to upgrade while you can still afford it

>>107486388
yeah the us already lost, it's pretty obvious. it would be better for everyone if they'd just concede but i guess that's too rational and pragmatic for current american politicians

>>107486278
1920 to 2000, give or take.

>>107486438
it's definitely a sphincter.

>>107486550
>Open Anal Insertion

>>107484693
And the only time socialism worked it was called National Socialism.

>>107486348
Many people do struggle against it, but you have to remember that it's considered a valid (and ridiculously popular) political stance to simply do whatever is best for the billionaires.
This year there's so much crap going down that it's simply exhausting to follow and it's part of their strategy. You get outraged and before you can even spread knowledge of the day's transgression there's already 5 new ones.

>>107486054
That's a nice 4090 too
Much less coil whine than MSI or Asus and still runs fairly cool and quiet

>>107486755
This seems to be the general gist I've gathered. Political unrest or not, huge swathes of people are completely checked out and violently anti-social. People spent so long not really giving a shit about anything during times of relative ease (90s, early 2000s) that keeping the delusion going is easier than the alternative. The constant illusion of scarcity keeps people dumb and wanting to pretend they're part of the secret winners club because they drive a bmw for their hour plus commute.

>>107486936
I hate contemporary America. It is an example of what corruption does to a people.

>>107486936
Retard. America is the greatest nation on Earth. AI was born here and has already set the stage for an American Rebirth unlike anything the world has seen before.

>>107479389
>le capitalism
Having a central bank is literally plank #5 on karl marx’s manifesto lil bro.

>>107478557
it's obvious now that they are price fixing.

>>107486994
America is a hollowed out shithole full of fat fucks. All the manufacturing is gone, the military is a joke ask anyone who served recently, the dollar has been devalued catastrophically and most people are just tax serfs, giant oligarch abomination monopolies and duopolies run everything, the food is literal poison designed to make you sick to profit the medical industrial complex, despite spending more tax money per capita than other nations there is no free healthcare so you have to BUY healthcare on top of being taxed for it, the country is full to the fucking brim with niggers and beaners and soon jeets, the only reason the US is not Brazil tier right now is because it has the world reserve trade currency which everyone is now working on sending back after the bozos in charge of the us stole Russian treasury holdings proving that if you mess with America they will fuck you financially and everyone wants out. Once everyone has finished sending their treasuries back the dollar will finalise its transition to toilet paper and I guarantee the Jews have looted Fort Knox like they looted everything else so you don’t even have any gold.

The only thing America has going for it is free speech and guns, better nut up or shut up fat cunts.

>>107487032
Everything in this post is correct but everywhere else is just as bad.

>>107487032
You are jealous ICE deported you.

>>107487032
We were supposed to be closer to scientific revolution bros, that much closer to utopia bros!
not this! not this....

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>>107486167
Both of them are gay.

>>107486850
I can never hear it since I have my AC running 24/7 but yes it's been an amazing card and if I am able to then my next card will be a Gigabyte as well. Not that I need it. The only game I ever play is Binding of Isaac... on my switch

>>107478631
It's like 2008 all over again.

>>107487155
I've had multiple 4090s and 5090s and the gigabyte cards were the nicest to use. No weird fan noise whine like the astral 5090 or insane coil whine like on the 4090 strix. Vram temps were also significantly cooler than on the Asus cards

>>107483525
That would still run 6000 cl30, probably at the same volts. Im running 5000 cl 30 to keep volts down and because dual rank

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>>107480610
Yes, it should be CL28 of course.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lzdpS4s4xuI

Cory Doctorow's explanation on what's happening with big tech in this short.

>>107478557
>modern financial insecurity is not totally manufactured by THEM, you're just crazy, it's normal inflation bro!!

where I work has need of "new" old stock DDR3 (and earlier!) memory to keep bullshit industrial machines going and even nonsense 512mb and 1gb sticks of fucking DDR3 are hundreds of dollars now. same for hard drives. people will literally throw 160gb drives into landfill with the rest of their laptop when it stops being a trendy enough model but trying to buy them new is like trying to buy fucking cocaine

>>107479389
Manufacturers won't increase production for demand that won't be there in a few years, they know it's a bubble but they will still profit from it. The stuff being produced like GPU, memory, and storage is specialized and e-waste for everyone but the AI fags. So when the bubble does pop, it's still going to be an unironic 2 more years before we get RAM prices return to "normal", adjusted for inflation.

>>107487584
where i used to work 7 years ago i was having to buy Flash cards. No, not MicroSD. Flash. 2MB.

cyan:wave2: selling slightly used CL32 7200Mhz, 32gb (2x16) DDR5 RAM -- $750

>>107487693
hell yeah brother. bring back laptop expansion bays while we're at it (at my 2nd work I have so many random esoteric pieces of nonsense obsolete tech that no one wants to throw out because we all JUST KNOW there's one in actual use somewhere that will die any minute)

>>107478554
6Ghz? that's pretty impressive.no wonder its expensive.

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>>107478554
>Feels smug right now

>>107478554
ramlets will have to waitfag til 2030+ lolllllllllll

>>107483569
A smart man would have sold half and waited for another 10x. Then sold half again, waited some more.

>>107478557
Wait till it trickles down into the pricing of almost every single electronic device as more and more fixed price contracts run out.

>>107482496
Once again btfo’d by the upcoming Chinese century… we are fucked

>>107485993
Do kubetards really put up with this shit?

>>107480365
Now where's the phase where the manufacturers say "they're still buying it at the higher price, let's just leave it high and wallow in profits"?

>>107488084
It's followed by the "hey, at these prices we could steal a piece of this cake"

>>107488155
>shit that never happens award

>>107488223
Shitcoin mining was COMPLETELY superseeded by FPGA and ASIC shit.
Somehing similar could happen to neurla network shit.

>>107488296
yeah it's called NPUs and the process of transitioning to them has been accelerated because jewmerica restricted exports of nvidia gpu's to china, causing them to start using and developing their own AI hardware.

>>107478554
its the end of the tech world as we know it

>>107487570
Looking back to the media of the pre-regan years it does seem like competition was a lot healthier then, but there was a much weaker stock market and could companies have innovated as much they have now if they were much smaller?

Look at windows, everyone used It because everything worked with it. What if the market had to be split between I dunno 5 operating systems to make the market 'fair' each with their own proprietary bullshit. Or would someone have have become a commercial version of the Linux foundation where they licence out the kernel and third party companies repackage the OS with their own proprietary sauce.

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to be fair ending the custom desktop PC part market is a small price to pay in exchange for owning the AI luddie libs.

Don't like it? Make your own RAM

>>107479367
>Currently waiting for DDR6 to arrive.
this will only be sold to datacenters.

>>107479367
waitchads can't stop winning
>>107489082
initially. you just have to wait till it's sold to consooomers too. and at that point we wait for DDR7.

>>107487042
cope
you just don't know better
this is exactly the mindset that leads to sleep walking in the first place

>>107479032
8gb is fine for simple pics
animatied ai slop needs waaay more

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>>107488069
>kubetards
its running 30 pods, using more ram than it does disk space
apparently this is a linux thing where it sees RAM and says "gimme" to optimize speed or something

>>107478554
do.you think it will ever go back down? I am not planning to buy anything as long as my laptop doesn't fully die so i have a few more years

>>107478725
Did you ever consider he might have not needed it before, you mouth breather?

>>107478557
TO THE MOON

>>107489255
If he didn't need it then, he won't need it now

>>107489290
That's the second dumbest thing you have ever said.

>>107479032
And then Windows 11 and its Photos app came along.

>>107489255
Again, the only reason people want to upgrade is to play gaymes made for children. Name these supposedly irresistable entertainment experiences that have been released in the past 18 months or will be released in the next 18 months which means you didn't need DDR5 when it was affordable, but do right now, immediately, give it to me give it to me GIVE IT TO ME MOOOOOOOOOOM SAM WON'T SHARE THE RAM!

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>>107478557
> still on TR4 X399 mb with 32gb of DDR4
I built this machine in 2018. It's over for me, isnt it?

>>107489991
What if I need a lot of ram for complex 3d scenes? Not games, modeling. Video editing? A shit ton of other uses, you retarded manchild?

>Should we... give RAM to tech companies that are trying to reach the Singularity and elevate the human species to the next stage of evolution and completely eradicate scarcity and inequality for all future?

>Or should we give it to a bunch of incels so they can play video games on higher settings?

This is a real tough one, yeah.

>>107486458
FOMO in a nutshell. Memory cartel is totally counting on it to milk the whales on its current inventory of UDIMMs. C19 has a happy accident on price discovery. They saw what GPU and motherboard vendors got away with. They figured that ML/AI futures buy and Windows 10 sunset (F1000 being forced to upgrade) was their moment to do the same stunt.

Plwease and thwank you saltman.

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>>107478554
$5,000.00 64gb kits are coming soon
hold on to your butts!

>>107478557
Who's buying for this price?

>>107478725
bait used to be believable

>>107479203
I started doing just that once the "news" let out.
guess who is buying a house in 6 months?
me.

>>107490025
But you don't. We both know that. You're a gaymer manchild, which is why you feel the need to project. That's also why you have no idea that neither use case you mentioned is heavily reliant on system RAM, and certainly doesn't require DDR5.

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>>107480207
there used to be laws that were enforced...... hmmmmmmmmmm

>>107482475
yeah nothign to do with manipulating the market for profit.
better start cooking the books early this years boys, you're getting fucking audited for sure. you and your "not my company" baloons

>>107483107
its all digital, they'll write it off and print more anyways

>>107486167
incurable aids

>>107487712
damn youre old

>>107490219
Scalpers who hope it will be slightly higher tomorrow so they can sell it to another scalper

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>>107490251
>nu uh
Great argument.
Ever considered that I gave you the examples relevant to me? You created this Le gaymur person in your empty head and you're arguing with them. You are so fucking retarded it hurts to read.

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>>107478640
look at this low supply and high demand, people are buying so much the prices need to go up for at least 2 years

>>107490251
Everything is a game, whatever you use on a computing machine, it's all just playing around with a (linear bounded) turing machine.

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upset? that, too, will pass
you just have to wait

>PC with 64GB RAM still randomly crashing my shit with Unity + Photoshop open

AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>107480363
bought my low latency 16's at $100 bux for 16gb 2 sticks. you snooze you lose now ram is all the crazy i can sell my homeserver sticks and buy a new rtx 6000 series when it comes out. not my problem

>>107491662
are you using firefox by any chance

>>107491685
Yes...

>>107491691
firefox very bad. it destroy memory when im deving i switched to a different browser and im no longer crashing with my dev software open

>>107491730
It will run just fine if you limit firefox's resources with ulimit. 2GB for the process is more than enough

>>107488069
its just how all software and modern operating systems work, no program will fully load into ram, but the more ram you have the more it will load

for example my gaming rig has 64gigs and just having firefox, discord, and steam open can also take up 20gb all by themselves

physically speaking idk why there is so much bloat tho, I mean how did rendering a web UI become resource heavy? it is a crock of bullshit

>>107480448
>But nobody is making more because nobody knows if the demand will last.
China is making more. Chinese RAM will be flooding the market in a year maybe a little longer.

>>107491662
You might have silly speed settings set in your BIOS for your RAM. Check that shit. Now.
Also, some motherboards have small incompatibilities with certain RAM types or even brands. Sometimes even a firmware update can help but first check your timings.

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>>107487876
do i look like a smart man to you, anon????

Who needs 64GB of ram? I ask unironically

Why would one buy this much up front.
It's simple. It's a strategic reserve. Not by openai, but by the us government.
War is scheduled for 2027. Guess South Korea will find out what it mean to be an ally of the united states.

>>107494238
Anyone building anything that takes 1gb per core and has a reasonable number of cores.

Or anyone running Chrome

>>107478554
>1200 dollars for 64 GB 6000 MHz
>Framework desktop for 2000, has 128 GB 8000 MHz DDR5x
lol

>>107478554
>WTF is this?
Officially because of datacenters, in truth, it's the great push to everything as a service.

>>107482466
Ironic that article was written using ai

>>107478613
can confirm, i hoarded a shitload of dd5 over the past month as an investment, got a few tb
get fucked waitfags

>>107480393
nobody can pivot and make good quality ram quickly, all fabs are bought out 3 years in advance
china could try but china makes dogshit
if you havent got your ram yet, its over

Guys keep using AI, it will make the RAM prices drop kek.

>>107495946
>t. retard

>>107494854
Actually, it is a confluence of several items.

1.) Tariffs
2.) Windows 10 sunset which is causing demand for UDIMMs on OEM channels from F1000 customers
3.) DRAM production shifting towards RDIMM/LRDIMM due to AI/ML customer demand and said customers already commited 40-50% future production
4.) Memory vendor pulling a FOMO on gaymer whales seeing how this worked during C19 with GPUs and motherboards.