>News & Rumors
Memory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027
RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? Potentially cancelled, likely q3 if still being released
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"
AMD FSR "Redstone" Arrives December 10, Exclusive to Radeon RX 9000 Series
Micron consumer memory (Crucial) is no more

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Other helpful Links
Mobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/
A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC
German autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/
Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/


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Keep this thread, I'll just delete the one I post.

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Anyone recommend some decent compact speakers?

>>107481730
Forgot to say also cheap <$50

If there's a memory shortage affecting SSDs/RAM, would it not make sense to buy the GPU with the most VRAM right now?

>>107481730
Why do they look so ugly? They should give them an actual pebble appearance and texture. What happened to proper speakers like Roland MA-12C's?

>>107481658
>High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
And the king, the one and only 200mm Noctua, sole PWM fan of this type.

>>107481013
>is this the end of /pcbg/?
it's the beginning of pc building special (or elite) - /pcbs/

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rate my system for another 3 years

>>107481748
We've been telling people to buy the best possible video card within their means during this discount season for that reason.
AMD's already announced memory chip price increases to their board partners.
NVIDIA's supposedly telling AIBs to source their own VRAM.
NVIDIA used to order VRAM for GeForce cards as part of their GPU bill of materials sent to AIBs.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-reportedly-raising-radeon-8-gb-16-gb-graphics-card-prices-by-20-40
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/109145/nvidia-stops-bundling-vram-chips-with-gpu-dies-tells-aibs-to-source-their-own-gddr-chips/index.html

>>107481748
Buy the GPU you need/can afford. If VRAM supply starts messing with GPU prices, everything will climb anyway (retailers and scalpers will just pocket the margins on SKUs that didn't climb as high).
If it has an influence on your budget, assume that upgrading might get very hard for the next handful of years.

>>107481842
should've bought an x3d chip when you had the chance

>>107481843
Is it over if I didn't order on black friday?

>>107481891
Yes. Beyond over. My build went up £400 soon as December hit.

Small survey, please respond with your CPU, cooling setup, and idle temperature.

I'll start: 9800X3D, Phantom Spirit, 38C.

>built a PC for a buddy in February
>only went for 1TB storage and 16GB of memory because of his tight budget (got decent stuff otherwise)
>told him I'd get him "the other half" as a gift for his birthday
>only remembered this today, his birthday is in a week
Do I take the loss or make an excuse?

>Just paid £520 for 64GB 6000CL30
It's a fucking steal at the current prices, tempted to horde it and sell it and just keep my current rig another 2 years.

>>107481207
>Ryzen 5 5800X3D
>[Used] RTX 3080Ti
>32GB DDR4 RAM
>[Chink] 1440p Monitor
Well, this is what I was planning to build and hopefully expecting it to last for the next 10 years, but now I don't know anymore, I'm actually wondering if I could get away with a downgrade (currently using a stinkpad)

>>107481949
5700X3D (CO -15), Peerless Assassin 120 (year old mount with TG Kryonaut), 31C idle (with 20C ambient), in a Lancool 216 full of Noctua fans. Want my shoe size too, mister glowing man?

>>107482025
>Ryzen 5 5800X3D
>32GB DDR4 RAM
so overpriced now you may as well build on a modern platform

>>107481993
Get the storage and a graph of ram prices

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I got 3 DIMMs from 3 different manufacturers. One of them is even 1333 but I just clicked 1600 in the BIOS and it werks.
>your timings?
fuck if I know kek

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>tfw decided to just ride out the storm with my 5700X3D/3080/32GB build
If there were a game worth upgrading for on the horizon then I would panic buy, but there isn't. If this is truly the end of affordable local compute then it's just delaying the inevitable. I'll just go bowling or something.

>>107482049
Exactly
I'm actually even considering a 5500X3D instead

>>107481843
>We've been telling people to buy the best possible video card within their means during this discount season for that reason.
But is that best video card necessarily going to be the card with the most VRAM?

>>107482061
Poorfag shaming aside, it's probably not 100% stable, but it does depend a lot on the CPU and motherboard. There'a also the retard method of upping the voltage, even mediocre DDR3 can perform at like 1.6V and with even a little case airflow that isn't too much.

>>107482084
I almost got a 5700X3D last year but got cold feet last second, so anyone who didn't buy that on AM4 is retty much fucked.

Looking to buy a laptop in the UK, £1500 budget, would use it for gaming and watching stuff, ideally looking for something with a 4060 or a 5060 and 16GB of RAM, 1080p screen, don't need anything fancy like OLED. prefer a reputable retailer for shipping or somewhere it can physically be picked up. Anyone got any recs?

>>107481993
Hope you know how to give head anon

>>107482086
>5500X3D
Vaporware

>>107482094
It's an ol bastard PC I got up and running so I can fuck around with Linux (Mint) on something with a decent amount of memory and not a shitty old laptop or an ARM based SBC like an RPI or similar.
I'm getting one more 4GB DIMM this Saturday (my father has a load of them) and maybe I'll look into the voltages then. The CPU and MOBO are an i5 4440 and an ASRock B85M Pro3.
I also plan to upgrade the CPU to a 4770 or 4770k as well, and maybe upgrade the RX 570 to something better like a 6600/XT. It's my project PC if it makes sense. Something to work on and tinker with while I have my main rig that just works for the real gaming and productivity.

>build a budget ~$1000 rig that can comfortably last the next 5 or so years until the market and future is more clear
>splurge now and spend $2000-3000 and not have to worry about the next 10 years
What's the better play right now?

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when will this end

>>107482139
>>build a budget ~$1000 rig
spec it out and see what it gets you
it'll be even less than it would have got you only 8 weeks ago

>>107482116
>Looking to buy a laptop....
>... Anyone got any recs?
Yeah, KYS.

>>107482142
Why are big box stores that got these supplies out of inflation now following online retailer trends?
Do they not see how this hurts their reputation?

>>107481843
>supposedly telling AIBs to source their own VRAM.
Does this mean they are allowed to add more VRAM than what NVIDIA specs or is there a clause that punishes them for trying that?

Welp, one of the 170 mm fans on my Lian Li 217 is cooked straight out of box. Tries to spin but fails and stops over and over. Any experience with Lian Li customer service?

Other than that build went smooth, Im moderately happy.

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>>107482196
>Any experience with Lian Li customer service?

>>107482156
C'mon anon don't be mean, it's a present for someone. I'd love to build them a tower but there isn't room

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RAM ticked up again lmao

>>107482196
custom fans are on their aliexpress page, go there

JUST KEEP WAITING DON'T BUY

>>107482116
for that price im pretty sure u can get a 2560x1600 240hz oled screen + 5070 or something laptop or am I crazy
something like that
good display on laptop is super underrated if you gonna main it
have not had a single problem with lenovo legion for a while so maybe they are good idk

>>107482258
This is all speculative pricing which makes this even worse. Just ignore it and watch them seethe once they are holding the bag

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>>107482142
>>107482258
rookie numbers

>>107482272
this is what waiting led us to though
waitkeks took the biggest L of their lives
and things are looking like they will get much worse soon

>>107482272
YES IT'S ALREADY WORKED OUT SO WELL HASN'T

LET'S WAIT 1 NO 4 YEARS

>>107482267
Pretty cheap, 7 bucks for fan, 10 for shipping. Sucks that its such a weird size, literally nobody makes them. Oh well.

>>107482142
its 100% worthwhile to break down that glass and take all of those FULLY STOCKED sticks

5600mhz 128gb kits are now over 900€
could have bought 128gb 6400c42 for 390€
maybe I should have scalpmaxxed

>>107482135
I'm kind of giving away where I am from
5500X3D exists here, while 5600X3D is the vaporware one instead

>>107482196
>meme fan sizes
Honestly, deserved for purchasing and supporting that shit.

the prices will cave in less than a month, DIY retailers and AIBs are already panicking, soon it's AMD and intel, as they are server companies and servers need tons of ram, people are dumb and think the only server buyers are the mag7 companies but there are hundreds of thousand small business that need to upgrade and they can't, AMD and intel will be losing a lot of money with that

>>107482331
they are cheap because they are just spare parts
Atleast they are good and don't cost $40 like HAWN 180mm meme fans but the quality is much higher
Lancool cases are cancer if your enviorment is very prone to get dusty

>$470 for 32GB RAM + a 870E mobo + a 280mm AIO
Really debating boughtering this. Talk me off the ledge, /pcbg/.

>>107482391
lol lmao
this will last atleast a year not a month
And laptop are next on the chopping block, HP and Dell laptop prices are expected to go up by 15% next month.
All the fucking small medium business will have an hard time getting laptops for their employees

>>107482142
The only quick way out is an AI crash. As long as hyperscalers have infinite money to throw around for HBM and enterprise RAM, they'll outbid the consumer DIMM market.
If this lasts and manufacturers get confident that it's not a bubble, supply will eventually adjust, but that's years away.

>>107482424
no it won't, this is a psyop, companies that have no fabs, no employees, no customers like openai buying 40% of all the ram produced in a year? it's obviously a scam and it's going to fall like a house of cards, it's not going to last longer than january next year, when the public companies have to show Q4 data and the scheme will be exposed

>>107482391
Prices can't come down when all the wafers for next year are already purchased. No product, no price drop.

>>107482272
Actually do wait. I bought today and with my luck that only means it will get better very soon.

>>107482391
The US government is convinced that they need to let the techbros build their AI god so China doesn't reach muh singularity first, no one will intervene. Memory manufacturers are happy to sell their chips for more no matter who's buying. Unless China's industry catches up, most DRAM is made by like 3 corporations so it's not like those businesses will be able to bring their money elsewhere, they'll pay up or wait like everyone else.

>>107482423
X870E starts at $235.95 rn. Given current RAM prices, this seems like a nice deal.

>>107482423
I wouldn't use a rad smaller than 360, but I really don't have another argument.

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>they think this will end soon
Normies love the AI slop already
You can make them pay a subscription for an AI that generates ads for you to watch

>>107482275
my bad i guess i didn't realize that this is mainly for building PCs not laptops

>>107482522
that is a laptop though

>>107482508
280mm and 360mm have near the same cooling capacity funnily enough.

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So what happens if the 9850X3D had a much better memory controller than the 9800X3D

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got one for 200 euroshekels. what do you guys think?

>>107482358
you can always ropemax

>>107482505
It's one of the cheapest X870Es, MSI's Tomahawk. It's not a bad board by any mean, but it retails for $250.
So it's basically $500 worth of parts for $470, except I don't need the AIO.
Fuck it, went ahead and bought. FOMO too strong.

>>107482664
It's a no-brainer for that price. I was a bit disappointed by mine but I got it for 700 eurocredits lol.

>>107482655
nobody cares because there gains will be too minor, it's bunker time.
If your system works you're comfy and you don't need to look at another man's system or be a jealous goblin

>>107482638
The designation doesn't account for surface area after all. It's only about 1982 vs 2082.

>>107482664
For that price it's probably stolen, but who cares, great deal. Go ahead and max out the clock and power limit, but don't touch the memory, it's pretty shit and will cause instability.

Is CPU bottlenecking generally a meme? What would be the minimum you would pair with a 5070 Ti?

>>107482742
Maybe a 12700k?

>>107482088
I don't give a shit about your financial situation; that is a question only you can answer.

>>107482182
They follow NVIDIA's spec, or they get 0 GeForce GPUs.

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>>107481949
7950X3D with the non X3D cores disabled, load boostit disabled and a negative 20mV offset in curve optimizer, be quiet! Dark Rock Elite set to "Performance Mode", idk what temp exactly you are interested in

>>107481748
> right now?
It doesn't make sense to buy ANY hardware "right now" because prices are inflated across the board because of Christmas. Wait until early January.

>>107482742
not with modern slop games that run bitcoin miners in the background, no

>>107481949
9800X3D, ROG Ryujin III 360 ARGB Extreme, currently 36°C

>>107481949
9950X3D
Cooler master Atmos 360mm
36C
It typically stays there even during summer

>>107482742
yeah, if we're being reasonable about your cpu choices
any ryzen 5000 series will do
just get the highest one your budget allows

>>107482742
It depends on resolution, desired framerate and specific game. Personally I'm an FPS whore with a 1080p@540Hz monitor so every CPU is a bottleneck. But for the average person (either 1440p native or 4K with some upscaling) I'd say get an AM5 X3D CPU if you want to have a good experience in every title.

>>107482731
the seller said it was defective since it crashed the system under full load but after testing it for two weeks i haven't found a thing wrong with it. i kinda assumed that he just had a shit psu for testing. i also bought a fully working 7800xt for 275 from the same seller since he had a lot of "second-choice goods"

>>107481842
> 48GB DDR4
WTF! For dual channel use one or two kits of two DIMMs, not three DIMMs.

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>>107481949
Hello agent.
>5800X3D
>Scythe Fuma 2
>46C

>>107482782
am5 x3d is overkill for the average person even with those resolutions
you'd be surprised how few people care about ultra upscaling slop

so wtf happened

>>107482793
At 3200MHz with modest timings it's probably stable. If he needs the capacity (for some reason) more than a higher frequency, it's fine.

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>>107481949
this is in a tropical country and it's almost summer

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>>107481949
9950x3d
nhd15
about 20c ambient

new techpowerup review for a 9070 xt, it looks just like my steel legend dark version, I assume it's a promo version of that card
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-radeon-rx-9070-xt-monster-hunter-wilds-edition/

>>107482742
I was getting some nasty CPU bottlenecks with my 12400f at 4K120, so, definitely not that.
I upgraded to a 9800x3d, so idk. Maybe a 9700x/14600k?

>>107482799
The 7800X3D can barely get 1% lows of 60 in Stalker 2 and below that I'd consider it unplayable. I get it that it's a niche game and most people are used to some stuttering anyway but that's a really sad thing.

>>107481949
Meaningless info without ambient temperature.

>>107482692
Could sell the AiO, or use it as a Christmas gift.

>>107482749
>>107482768
>>107482779
>>107482840
fug, I shouldn't have skimped on the CPU back then. Oh well, I shouldn't have skimped on the GPU either. Guess I'll grab a 5070 Ti and something better than my current 7600. At least I won't need a new motherboard.

>>107482851
Stalker 2, MHW, Witcher 3 remaster, CP77, etc. There's plenty of games that turn into stuttery messes with slow CPUs.

>>107482828
what a lazy collab lol
the only design element that isn't a stock image on flat background is the side nameplate thing

>>107482655
the 9800X3D already has a good memory controller
it doesn't matter because the point of 2:1 mode is to get your IMC synced with the infinity fabric
if they've done an upgrade of the infinity fabric so you can do 2450 FCLK (9800/4) synced then that's a different matter
doubt it for a refresh, but sure)

Should i believe all this fear mongering? I have a 3080ti and i'm thinking of upgrading to 5090 and get a couple of ssd's to be future proofed. Is this worth? On ram i have 64gb DDR4 so i think i'm good and for ssd i have two 980's pros. What's the current meta on ssds? Also if my mobo is pcie4 will i benefit if i get pcie5 ssd or no?

>>107482886
>Should i believe all this fear mongering?
If that's your opinion, don't buy anything.

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>>107482812
>>107481949
9950X3D
ALF3 420 @ 620rpm
22°C ambient

i got an asrock b650m-c and a ryzen 5 7600x, how fucked am I bros

>>107482886
>Also if my mobo is pcie4 will i benefit if i get pcie5 ssd or no?
no, PCIe throughput is the lowest common denominator, so 4.0 in your situation
>What's the current meta on ssds?
SN850X, T500 and 990 Pro are the go-to 4.0 SSDs
>Should i believe all this fear mongering?
It's not fear mongering, the numbers are there. SSDs WILL go up, we just don't know how much, how fast and for how long.

>>107481658
From the thumbnail I thought the top two boxes were nail clippers and I wondered why op is building a pc with nail clippers.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-might-end-the-cuda-moat-with-its-latest-update-says-jim-keller/
>they/them bought njeetia for cuda............

>>107482793
16+8+16+8 = 48

>>107482944
>SSDs WILL go up
only ssd's?

>>107482960
>Of course, compared to the low-level implementation, CUDA Tile won't perform as well, but it is one of NVIDIA's methods for making AI accessible to everyone.
Always a catch anon.

>>107482916
nhd15 doesn't allow it to go much over 60 when gayming but man am I jealous of those idle temps. Custom loop coming soonTM.

>>107482960
It's a tech guy giving a tech opinion on why it might be technically possible. IP guys might have other thoughts about it.

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>>107482778
I'll add the ambient
15°C ambient

>>107482811
adding to this
thermalright PA 140 with an extra fan
29c ambient temp

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>>107481658
>even my crap DDR4 32Gb module went from 100 I paid for it to 250

>>107481949
9800x3d
Dark Rock Pro 5
36C

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>>107482971
> 16+8+16+8 = 48
You arrrgh.. mixed DIMM models? How did you install them? Not as picrel, 16+8 in one channel, A2-B2, right?

>>107483140
i'm not that anon, but just saying, you can do it
and yeah you have to install them correctly, same capacity in both cnannels

>>107483053
> 15°C ambient
brrrrr,,,,

>>107483082
sold my 2x32gb ddr4 for $325. using a cheap mini pc until prices crashes in 2 more weeks.

>>107483161
Just not cold today, don't know why but it saves energy

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Do I buy this and also can it run off the stock Intel cooler? If not then I won't buy it, not paying as much as a whole ass high end CPU (from 12 years ago) for a blowy metal thingy.

>>107483163
> sold my 2x32gb ddr4 for $325
Did you urgently need the money? Prices won't come down a lot anytime soon. Remember the history of GPU prices. This will be similar if not even worse.

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Deal on Newegg.

>>107482084
I'm curious, with your system specs does your pc actually feel outdated when using it? I'm starting to feel it but I'm on a 1080ti and 7700k so I'm curious if people like you just want to upgrade to have the newest parts, or if it's because your pc actually feels slow to use.

>>107483246
Are those bad deals?
I don't think that is when you consider the cost of these Mobos alone.
I paid 280 for my GIGABYTE X870E AORUS PRO ICE

>>107483216
i dont see how it can be worse than GPU prices. ram is easier to manufacture and not everyone needs more than 16gb ram so it's still relatively cheap unless you need more.

>>107483246
We've gone from CPU/MOBO/RAM bundles to CPU/MOBO bundles to MOBO/RAM/AIO bundles

>>107483285
It's a good deal if you need all the components.

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Please roast

>>107483301
Agreed
I only buy my stuff typically in one go but I think that resolves most dooming for the multiple threads of retards dooming over building new. That's really generous when you see that mobo alone cost over 250 to begin with

>>107483316
>amd gpu

>>107483316
support/verticalize the gpu
get an air cooler instead

>>107483316
I doubt those taste well when roasted

>>107483316
Based on your little boy cooler I will guess you're using a 9600 cpu?

>>107483294
I don't see any Noctua™ fan

>>107483338
9950X3D

>>107483316
halloween is over, replace the pumpkins with christmas trees

>>107483361
get a 360 aio

>>107483361
get a 1000w psu then

>>107483338
box is ryzen 9

I know it's in the OP, but does anyone run a B580 themselves day to today? Any problems, or has Intel driver updates actually been pretty good?

united states I can go 2000$
i just need something to run tarkov plz hold my hand

>>107483316
>Gigabyte AORUS PSU
>ASUS TUF board
>ASUS TUF GPU
>Corsair AIO
Not enough brand coordination.

>>107483316
> atx build
> ryzen 9
> 240
Why such a smol AiO? It's for ITX builds.

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>>107483391

>>107483361
>9950x3d
>850w psu
>240mm AIO
Erm ok

>>107483294
> ram is easier to manufacture
Yes, but Micron stops selling to consumers and Samsung/Hynix too will focus on the large volume AI business.

These prices are crazy. In my country, a second hand 7500F-B650M went very cheap but now with these RAM prices, I ll stay on 5600X-B550M-32GB DDR4-.

>>107483294
> how it can be worse than GPU prices
GPU prices didn't quadruple in few months.

>>107483391
get a starforge prebuilt

>>107483316
You hid the case behind boxes for a reason I guess. Is it really so bad? Is it Corsair?

>>107483361
> 9950X3D
I recommend an Arctic Liquid Freezer 420 if you plan to ever use all 32 threads at once.

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Hey anons this might be the wrong general but i have hope that someone might know the answer in here since i didnt get any replies in the stupod question bread

I need urgent help please.i'll try to keep it as short as possible
>shake shaker at my desk, shaker breaks, some of the stuff gets on laptop keyboard
>turn laptop off and try to wipe up the mess
>remove some of the keycaps to see how bad it was
>clean it some more and let laptop "dry" for a couple hours
>later turn it back on, works, so far so good
>notice arrow down button is the only one not working
>decide to buy isopropyl alcohol to better clean the arrow down button
>dry the button off and try to boot up laptop but nothinh works. Fuck it
>starts disasemmbling it, all mayor component dry so far get to the keyboard
>plastic welded shut
>break of 100 pieces of plastic to get keyboard free
>see some residue from shaker and what i assume isoprop that mixed with the crusted proteinshake still a bit moist.
>dry it of and try to reasemble everything but a little tear in keyboard flexcable
>fuck this shit, ill use a external keyboard
>finish reassembly, still no working power button
So my question now is, if its possible to jump the laptop via the mainboard lile you do with desktop mainboards and if someone knows the exact pin or lettering asus uses for this

Thanks in advance

>>107483380
You don't need 1000W for the 9950X3D if paired with a 9070XT.

>>107483316
>the 'this is the only parts combo I can get in this market' build

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>>107483464
I don't think so, it's the Antec Pro

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>>107483379
>>107483380
>>107483416
>>107483476
it's a 200W CPU
he will be fine
i guess most people here are still on 6 cores and unironically believe those housefire memes

>>107483405
Yeah I think I have fugged up on that desu, I've put it all together and it looks out of place

>>107483516
Performance improves with better cooling solutions this has been explored in depth with ryzen. It will still reach those temps or higher under load

>>107483516
Yeah I'm not planning on doing anything insane with it, the odd video rendering and that's it, the mobo came with 2x6 pin connectors which I was a little worried about but people were saying you don't need it unless you're considering some serious OC

>>107483543
>Yeah I'm not planning on doing anything insane with it
what's the point of buying the highest end hardware if you have no plans to fully utilize it
when will this overspeccing meme die

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>>107483538
performance improves if you're hitting the thermal limit
the safety (FIT) limiter steps in long before anything else if you have reasonable cooling, you aren't getting 5.7 GHz all core no matter how cool it gets
>>107483543
like i said most people here are still stuck on 6 cores, with a few 8 core X3Ds thrown in there as well
it's not a problem, zen 5 is efficient

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I'm returning my 9070xt Powercolor Reaper. Should I get a different model, or the same one?

I have a FormD T1, so there is quite a bit of room for a larger card. But I'm not sure if it's worth it in terms of airflow or future cases/uses.

>>107483513
why would you buy that big ass case with a small AIO?

Why doesn't /pcbg/ list recommended psus by capacity?

>>107483566
Is there really a reason to go with another card unless you plan to get a 5090?

>>107483589
The link does

>>107483589
Because there is an extremely autistic in-depth tier list for them already.
Just go to the tier list in OP's second post and get the cheapest A+ PSU you can find.

>>107483566
>returning
>get the same model

>>107483391
cock and balls pc. get one of those.

>>107482756
>>107482812
>>107482916
>Enhanced
what does this even mean?

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>AMD Ryzen 9800X3D
>Nvidia 5070 Ti
>32 GB of DDR 5 RAM
>4 TB of NVME
>2 TB of Portable SSD

Be honest with me guys can I weather the next 7-8 years in hopes of new fabs coming together and bringing down prices?

>>107481207
>R5 3600
>RTX 3060 12GB
>32GB RAM
>1080p 144hz IPS Screen
gonna upgrade the cpu when i get a good deal on something

>>107483678
You should be fine

most of these shitty AI ventures will end up going backrupt or amounting to nothing and investors will cut their losses
its all so tiresome

>>107483516
> it's a 200W CPU
Once you enable PBO in BIOS it's 250W and beyond.
If you don't want the CPU to get throttled you need all the cooling power you can get.
My ALF420 runs full speed in Cinebench Multicore just to keep the temps below 78°C, an NH-D15 may get the exact same temps but doesn't allow for the same high clocks, the CPU will inevitably get throttled to keep the temps under 78°C.

>>107483688
don't forget the tax payer having to pay for bailouts

>>107483694
Thank you for explaining the basics to him

>>107483700
This kind of irks me, we are subsidizing the cost of fabs/factory/infrastructure but the profits is going to the capitalists.

>>107483715
so like what china is doing already?

Retard here, why is CPU important? Shouldn’t you he more focused on the GPU?

>>107483724
Use google lil bro

>>107483591
I mean still a 9070xt, but a different model.

>>107483645
I'm having hardware issues lol.

>>107481812
I would like to see thrift PCs come back into style, everyone sharing used secrets like Xeons

>>107483742
Cooler max then, if you have the space get a model with a better cooling solution

>>107483694
>Once you enable PBO in BIOS it's 250W and beyond
and what would be the point of that, exactly? 5% faster render time? just undervolt instead
it made sense on the 5950X, since that one was limited to ~140W, but PBO on a 9950X3D is an optional extra
>an NH-D15 may get the exact same temps but doesn't allow for the same high clocks, the CPU will inevitably get throttled to keep the temps under 78°C
zen 5 throttles at 95 C, no?

>>107483678
You will have to replace the GPU eventually. And I would get more storage if you can.

>>107483742
get the swift

>>107483724
high frame times are nice. games are unoptimized pos. x3d cpus last very long.

>>107483678
>>4 TB of NVME
>>2 TB of Portable SSD
You're fucked

>>107483513
Okay, that's MUCH better than Corsair. The wood gives it some SOVL.

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>>107483724
>Retard here, why is CPU important?
They aren't.

>>107483724
The GPU renders the scene, but the CPU has to tell it what to render. This is especially relevant at high fps as the CPU has to do that many times a second.

you need a balanced build

>>107483568
>>107483513
He has a point. That large case cries for a 420 Rad in top mount to cool a 16-core.

>>107483724
Better 0.1% lows, for the most part. But there are a few situations where you get bottlenecked by the CPU. It's only really worth looking into if you already have a pretty good GPU.

>>107483678
That's pretty high end and being on AM5 means a CPU or GPU drop in when you want it

I don't get it, gaming PCs aren't race cars, you don't need to spend $5000 every year on them on maintenance or anything like that. At the most maybe a few hundred bucks every couple years to upgrade a part. You guys should stop acting like it's a blood covenant where you are locked into it for the next 10 years minimum.

>>107483724
No you don't understand you must spend the $500 on the 9800X3D there's simply no other choice

>>107483764
H..how so bro?!?!

>>107483809
You dont get it, if you're a NEET, spending $500 every other year is a big deal.

>>107483678
>have modern parts
>guys will I survive

>>107483724
>you he
who is you he

>why is CPU important?
why is the thing that executes all functions in your system important?
ponder that

>>107483776
>40% higher 1% lows
>they aren't

>>107483831
first rule of neeting - escape neeting
suck dicks or something, escape hell

>>107483822
It's not like people do video work or other cpu dependent tasks, the X3D skews are for people that want to do both.

>>107483809
I like buying once but not having to buy again. Impossible with tech but I try to go as high end as I can and then amortize it over it life. My old alienware was still decent but I figured prices were getting fucked.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/s/ev9nW6pq85

AMD is saying JK once again they're not killing their old shit

>>107483724
The CPU is the one that sends instructions to the GPU. If your CPU is slow at sending instructions then your entire PC becomes slow. Just look at PS5 Pro how they have a stronger GPU but same CPU as the base version so games don't really run better.

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>>107483881
good knews for some of us (i didn't spec this pc but i got it for a very cheap price)
nobody is going to guess how much i payed for it

>>107483842
>>107483899
Looks like a 7600x is good enough

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>>107483163
>in 2 more weeks.

try 2 decades

>>107483943
I have 64gb of crucial pro ram ddr4, can I sell these? Should I wait until next year?

is it a good idea to buy a b580 now, upgrading from a gtx1070? i really just do small model ai stuff. where is the market going?

Is this ram gonna work well with this mobo?
Kingston Fury Beast, DDR5, 32 GB, 6000MHz, CL30 (KF560C30BBE-32)
MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIFI

AMD WILL make the AM4 6800X3D on a 6nm node shrink with 3D-Vcache under the cores layer and an upgraded memory controller, it's going to happen, it's the only good thing to come out of the ram shortage, it WILL achieve 5ghz thanks to the 6nm lithography and make the AM4 -> AM6 jump real

>>107483917
a 7600x is like a 5800x3d which is verfiably not enough for slopper games
game averages a jewish metrics
but there is more to it
always max out your cpu, simple as

>>107483964
16gb vram minimum to do AI stuff (images), text stuff you can't do with less than 32gb

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>>107483679
>>107481207

I am also stuck on xx60 -r5600 and 3060tiuntil the end as it seems.
I am mostly playing oooold games nothing of modern AAA really interests me, but heavily modded old games so thats a bit of problem thinking of buying new gpu since 4xxx series isnt even on used market hese days

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>>107483960
wait. it will get a lot worse in next years

So is there any reason to not get the OC version of a card if the price difference between it and its non-OC model is negligible? Like an ASUS Prime vs ASUS Prime OC. Noise and such should be more or less the same because it's the same model physically, right?

I bought a 990 pro 4tb, but this shit has me sweating. Should I return it and get a 9100 pro 4tb instead? It's $100 more expensive, but it's pcie 5.0 and twice as fast.

>>107483968
It's literally on the QVL, this exact kit has been tested and it works, you can't get better support than this.
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B850-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI/support#mem

>>107483989
if only we forced companies to recycle instead of shredding and sending to china. i guess that would be too smart.

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I returned my 55" tv, now I'm thinking maybe I should have indeed bought the G5 55" for 1400€ on sales

it IS too fucking tall for a desk placement, but there is a price to pay for the best display

>>107483989
this is totally normal for a meme AI experiment and not at all a huge and costly mistake

>>107484017
it's definitely the best for looking like an absolute tool. i give you that.

>>107484017
>quin69
washed up gamer, didn't even play last season

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>>107484028
people will pay for the bailout as always

>>107484002
thanks, I'm trying to get a build before prices shoot throught the roof but just now this very ram went up in price...

>>107484048
"people"? you mean americans, and it's going to cost them the dollar as a reserve currency card

>>107484017
Which TV did you return?

Ahhh, what a beautiful time to build a new PC.

>>107483989
There's no way the AI bubble will last til 2030, never mind 2035. Losing billions each month is unsustainable.

Where I am, second had am4 builds are dirt cheap even with current jewish tricks, what's the catch?

>>107484017
55 is too much. I use a 42 and I think 48 is the most you could go comfortably. You also start losing out on PPI. I wish sub-50 inch TVs werent gimped on brightness.

>>107484197
daed platform

>>107484190
Not if you frame it as facing an existential threat. US tech CEOs and their friends in the government think they're in an AGI race with China akin to the nuclear arms race of the early Cold War.

>>107484203
Decent enough for gaming though? 5600 should be enough to drive a 9070xt/5070ti at 1440p

>>107484190
the whole US economy is now built on AI growth, they cant back down from it.

>>107484233
not for 2025+ AAA

>>107484252
i hope it's going to break their back

>>107484252
The normies will go new years shopping, then go "uh oh, need to withdraw some funds from my portfolio" when they see their bing bing wahoos jacked up 2-3x because of memory costs, and the house of cards will go crumbling down

>>107484233
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the game. 5600 isn't that powerful now, but surely if you can still manage to bottleneck the GPU somehow with huge resolution the 5600 should do the trick. However I think you'd lose 10-15% performance easily compared to any modern chip + DDR5 speeds.

>>107483506
That's pretty accurate desu, I think it's a decent build but not what I thought it would have been when I decided to upgrade

>>107483568
Thought I'd play it safe with the GPU I have, but yeah the AIO was a mistake for sure

>>107483389
I bought one at MSRP and was happy with it until FOMO pushed me into a 5070Ti and the B580 will either stay as a backup or I’ll build an HTPC with it. It’s a great card for the price and the drivers for me were rock solid. I hope Intel doesn’t give up their GPU business.

>>107484252
going all in on it at this stage is unironically even stupider

>>107484269
I mean, as a last resort in these trying times it's ok

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450 euro CPU
135 euro mobo

It will be fine

>>107484309
>euro
no it won't. now go get droned in ukraine, anon.

>>107484300
im sure they'll find something else even stupider to invest in right before that bubble collapses.

>>107483316
>not getting 6000mhz ram
i know its a bad time, but seriously? you're gonna be running that pc with a ~1% bottleneck, for the next 5+ years because of that ram bro.

>>107484302
I guess? I play older games, like BF4, BF5, some non-demanding, like WuWa and a bit of MW2, even if I PPT limit my 7600X to 65W max I still get the same frames with a 7800 XT. I lost interest in new games, so I'm totally fine with the performance, I think you should be also fine with that 5600, unless you really want to run very recent games at relatively high FPS. A 5600 will surely bottleneck a 9070 or 5070 Ti, but you can still upgrade to a 5700X3D or 5800X3D, but you'll see the GPU utilization anyway with Afterburner.

so Redstone tomorrow? I'm prepared for the 6-7000 series seethe.

>>107483380
he doesnt need a 1000w psu for that specific combo no. 850w is 'fine', but it does mean if he ever wants to upgrade in the future, a new gpu may need more power.

>>107484309
>>107483911

>>107484347
X3D chips are way less sensitive to lower memory speeds. I only found a 4800 Mhz so I went for the 7600X3D to not feel the pain too much. Got the 32 Gig kit for 90 bucks a few days back so no way I am complaining about that absolute gift.

>>107484208
Propaganda is certainly helpful, but at the end of the month, someone still has to pick up the tab for all these billions.
China isn't anywhere near as scary as the USSR was, and quality of life for US consumers isn't anywhere near as secure as it was back in the Cold War days, either.
>>107484252
The AI bubble isn't magic. The housing bubble was hueg too, but still brought us the 2009 recession. Also, houses tend to have at least some lasting value. Data center hardware, not so much.

>>107484354
Retards here think they are saving money by buying a new PSU every two years. Just let them do it.

>>107484296
Awesome, my plan is to get one for a build, I've watched reviews but wanted inputput on real usage not just game testing, thanks king.

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>>107484347
>>107484406
this but i was just too lazy to sell and buy new one

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>>107483281
It does not, even on 1440p. The only recent game it struggled a bit on was MGS3 remake, but it was still mostly smooth sailing. It was the recent chaos making me seriously consider buying, but there's just no point. I can play any game out right now and any game I'm somewhat interested in 2026 will likely play fine too. I bet I could make it through 2027 as well if necessary.

Crazy to think that my B350 mobo is nearly 8 years old and I'm still playing new releases on high settings. Thankfully it's easy to replace if it suddenly dies, assuming it doesn't take anything else with it.

>>107484315
You're thinking of rubles.

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>>107484440

What's a really small mATX case that could fit a 420mm AIO for a 9800x3d? I'm looking at the Thermaltake 300 tower but it's not really that small.
https://www.thermaltake.com/the-tower-300-micro-tower-chassis.html#additional

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You know what I hate the most? Coil fucking whine.
>You have high FPS?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>Are you in the main menu?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>card pulling lots of electricity during intense scene?
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Man, just fuck off, you are louder than the 2 fans blowing air.

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>>107481658
where do i go from here
the words are comin out all weird

>>107483281
Nobody on late stage AM4 needs to upgrade
If you're on 10th gen intel or earlier you'll definitely be feeling it though

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>>107484522
my vega 64 had those leds above the two 8 pins and the more power it pulled the louder the coil whine got. honestly. the leds were just adding salt to the wound despite looking very cool.

>>107484489
Do you have the AIO already? While the 9800X3D has like a 100+ Watt TDP rating, it usually needs way less. You could probably get away with a smaller AIO and a good fan profile without any impact to gaming performance. Then a smaller case would be possible

>>107482754
Financial situation is irrelevant, the question is whether you go for performance or memory capacity.

>>107483995
> but it's pcie 5.0 and
> twice as fast
Only theoretically, practically it's not worth it. You won't read/write large enough files again and again from/to RAM to save a second or two on. Random access of smaller files shows hardly any difference. This is a great opportunity to safe money and invest it in something else that actually makes a difference.

>>107484522
I can't use my sound card without hearing coil whine in desktop. It is madness.

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Why would someone put water inside of his pc? Isn't hat fucking stupid?

>>107484618
The 5090 or RTX Blackwell Pro is the performance + VRAM capacity solution.

>>107484309
Both are massively inflated, mobos used to be 50-80 dollars, 100+ was high end

>look up ram to see prices
>$250 for 32gb
>"Oh that's not too ba-"
>It's ddr4
I could've sworn I bought these fuckers for $60 not too long ago

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>>107484660
>32GB 3200mhz

>>107484417
>Data center hardware, not so much.
moore's law is dead
hardware can't get any better on silicon
that is why 3090/4090 hold their value

>>107484639
watercooling, rgb, brand loyalty, 4k gaming, buying 90 series cards, playing league of legends instead of dota, there are many ways you can notice when someone is just a sheep pretending to be part of the pc masterrace, we all notice those things and laugh behind their backs

>>107484667
>weimerica battle royale.exe

>>107484522
Is your pc on your desk next to you? I ended up having to buy a wheel cart so I could put my pc under my desk to deafen the coil whine.

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>>107484667
People were warned in early October.
The "don't need more crowd" get to sleep in the bed they made.

>open pc to install new ssd
>notice case fan cable is stuck in the rear panel
>struggle a bit to remove it without having to remove the whole motherboard
>turn on pc
>no ethernet
my dumbass managed to fry the ethernet port
at least my board has wifi

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>>107484692
Is there an American equivalent, Mr. Schlongberg?

>>107484726
>NVMEs up $50 in one day
It's so fucking over. It's never been this over ever.

>>107484726
always unplug the psu cord when messing around inside the case

>>107484726
depending on pcie setup you can just buy a third party ethernet adaptor and use that.

>>107484639
you dont understand just how power limited things really are until you go water.

7900xtx for example goes from 350-450w to 600w+

>>107484522
I had to buy a new PSU to get rid of it.

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>>107484755
Do I really want a 600w+ GPU?

>>107484732
the autistic filters are actually fantastic for finding a smaller case that still fits all needed components. I bought so much tech just because of that site alone. And made great deals like here, since that >>107484406 kit I was talking about was actually shortly listed on Geizhals. Only reason I found it

>>107484775
I love it. They are based. It's the perfect website. If I were in power, anyone who didn't list their parts on Geizhals.de would get executed on the spot in front of their whole family. I would also declare war on France and quadruple the price on tobacco and alcohol.

>>107481949
>3700x
>hyper 212 turbo
>mx4
>rg4tg
>4 zephyr fans, 1 mistral
>3 in, 2 exhaust
>45-60c

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>>107484811
I'd support that all the way. Just for that beauty of this dip

>>107484639
Backwards, air cooler guy is the midwit.

>>107484768
Yes, but only for setting 3dmark records

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>>107484768
top: water
bottom: air

>>107484726
reset the cmos and try again

>>107484823
that's like one of those counter strike steam market dips were a 10k knife sells for like 24,79$. it's beautiful.

2 days until amd redstone what do you expect to be announced

>>107484909
I have an amd card and while I expect the tech to be good I also expect to have no games supporting it

>>107484854
does it really work? the battery is in an awkard place. I had to look up where it actually is, I also borrowed an adapter and the ethernet works
>>107484752
I'll have to do that

>>107484909
They will cancel it due to VRAM shortages.

>>107484919
there will be a clear cmos jumper if taking the battery out is too hard

>>107484909
more controlled opposition shit

>>107484850
>Top: constant tinkering for a month+ prior to "stability" achieved, LONG assembly time, you have to disassemble the gpu first, and you potentially risk damaging VRAM from a bad OC.
And yes, you'll OC the card, because who the fuck watercools a gpu to NOT OC it?

Best case scenario you have to spend time flushing out the water and occassionally replacing a valve every ~6months, and a full clean out and reassembly every ~2 years, which is tedious, slightly risky and takes time.


>Bottom; you install it, plug it in, setup 1-2 gpu stands to prop up the gpu, install the drivers, and you're done.

>>107484954
i count crashed, instablity as down time that i could spend using the computer. so if something doesn't work and i have to trouble shoot. i just move to something else. no reason to waste time on something not working.

>>107484915
meh, Arc Raiders has been working fine for me since launch day, even when i got weird popups saying the drivers weren't supported. I had like 1 crash ever, and it was after a 6+ hour simultaneous session, the vram obviously got clogged up. I restarted the game and still did a couple more rounds before stopping play.

AMD's bad drivers are fine these days, it was more a problem with bad gpu architecture with the 6000 and prior generations.

>>107484309

why not build 60 processor 60 mobo 40 memory basically same but slow

>>107484978
I have had 0 problems with the driver, I DDU'd and installed it and it always worked, the problem is how little games use FSR4, AMD needs to push the technology to the devs faster, you can enable it with optiscaler on every game, but I want it native, I think redstone will have the same issue

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>>107484954
>>107484974
you become faster than a 4090 just by using water and a different bios. as in you get a $3000 gpu upgrade just from switching cooling.

>>107485027
very cool for running benchmarks, very wasteful for playing games

My goal is just to have a decent PC that can play things comfortably, 1080p is fine and I don't care about AAAsloppa.
How much worse would a solid DDR4 build be than a DDR5 one? And how much money give or take would I save for going with a DDR4 build?

>>107485095
ideally you would want to get a x3d cpu on am4 for that but they hold their value very well

fast forward to 2029
>zen 7 on AM5 with super cheap DDR5 ram from all new supply built in 2026~8
>amd UDNA2 cards with 64GB vram (flagship) 48 (midrange) and low end models with also 48 vram (lpddr5x)
>CPUs will have more pcie lanes because running 2 GPUs in the system will be the norm for AI developers
that's when using local AI will start making sense, if you have an AM4/AM5 system that works and plays games today you should wait to upgrade unironically

>>107485095
you can do 1080p with an APU, you don't even need a gpu these days

>>107485095
issue with 1080p is, CPU will be a bottleneck faster than going with a higher res. While a 5600 might be fine for 4k with a 9070XT, it will slow down on lower resolutions. X3D will be your best bet on AM4. My 5800X3D is efficient enough and after checking some benchmarks, you won't see much difference in power draw, unless going for the 7600X3D with its 65 Watt TDP.

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>>107484032
or maybe the s95f
OR maybe I just realize they are all too large for deskin' and return to tradition with the C5 42"
but maybe that is not large enough too
maybe I return to ppi and 27" 4k

32" -> ok size but not fun enough, still possible to play gaymes
55" -> retarded huge on a desk and impossible to competitive game
42" -> goated?!

>>107484038
nothing matters except subs

>>107484094
not a good one, think of it as a beta test for better ones
but yeah 60hz VA sucks
I'm going back to oled

>>107484202
height wise yes 42" seems to be about the limit might even be slightly too high but at the edge, idk in setups people place them even higher than desk level like wtf
but yeah kinda annoying you can't get the best perf below 55
but yeah 42" might be goated after all not sure, only one I have not tested size wise
no point in going 48 either I think
might have to try a c5 42"
if it's more fun than a 32" but not as retarded as 55" then maybe it's goated
if not, back to cope with a 32" or 27"

>>107483316
I wouldn't have chosen that motherboard... no postcode, 2.5g lan, doesn't seem to have anything to justify its price (good VRM but pretty much every x870 has that). Unless you got a bargain on it.

>>107485120
14900k is the end game ddr4 cpu and best you can get if you are locked in on ddr4

>>107485163
how's waiting working out for you? Sure the next perfect deal will come around in 2032 when god emperor Huang makes a mistake, allowing 10 additional fps for your government mandated VR hour. So generous!

>>107485292
working great, I have a great machine

>>107485301
only one? ngmi

>>107485163
vram is cancelled
mid range cancelled
low end cancelled
8gb vram is the max you gonna get now

>>107485291
this might be the only cpu that is going to be very rare in the future because of their failure rate. sorry i don't think this is a good ddr4 platform for someoen who wants to use this pc for a long time.

>>107485316
it's ok to have wrong opinions

>>107485338
estrogen cores

>>107485316
if you haven't gotten your 14th gen chip replaced and the BIOS updated by now you kinda deserve it

>>107485373
i didn't buy a defective cpu to begin with so i'm still one up on everyone else who bought one

>>107485227
I just assumed more resolution = more expensive or better hardware. If that's not the case I'm not married to 1080p. The RAM price right now is more of a bottleneck than anything since DDR5 is on its own around $350 more than the DDR4 equivalent

>>107485383
i know, you're still on a ryzen 1600
loud and proud

>>107482452
>companies that have no fabs, no employees, no customers like openai buying 40% of all the ram produced in a year? it's obviously a scam and it's going to fall like a house of cards, it's not going to last longer than january next year, when the public companies have to show Q4 data and the scheme will be exposed
I doubt the actual money movers don't already know everything about the AI companies financial situations we do.