Which means CPU sales are also down about 50%
i dont think its even just ram thats doing this, its the entire hobbyist space sucks ass nowits expensive as fuck, the games are horribly optimized, the hardware just gets more and more expensive and consumer media presents it like only the top of the top end is actually viable for usepeople are moving away from this in general, theres a whole big age demographic range that is really into this sort of thing and theyre getting older and the younger generations dont care nearly as much, because from their eyes they dont really see the history of any of it, they just see marginal improvements every year and increasing prices
>hehe that WILL finally make them go subscription services>*rubs hands*
>>107484462The mobo market is not really something I would pay too much attention to, people are probably just choosing to upgrade instead of buying/building a whole new system.
>>107484462what kind of journalist writes headlines like this?
>>107484462Yeah it's dragging down the worldwide hardware industry, and all its customers.If this keeps up, Samsung/Hynix/etc will soon live in interesting times, once every single other corporation is lobbying Trump 24/7 to make them stop withholding production already.
the mobo market has been utter shit for a while. prices got higher while quality control got worse.
>>107484462>motherboard sales down 50% as PC enthusiasts are put off by stinking memory pricesImagine the smell.
>>107484462We really fucked ourselves by not having solid domestic chip production.
>>107484514> be a gamer> you have 3 options > numero 1: try to get a pc without resorting to sacrifice an arm and a leg> numero 2: get a pre built and hope game settings are friendly enough to optimise gameplay> numero 3: go the too easy way and get a console, either PS/N/XB or SD and just be plug 2 cables and switch it on.
>>107484535Yeah but there is only so much that people will upgrade. Since 5700X3D and 5800X3D are no longer made, unless you want to pay larger used prices your best bet is like a 5600XT or 5800XT. It makes sense to upgrade to that if you have a 1000-3000 series CPU. But if you already had a 5000 series CPU doesn't really make sense.Upgrading Pre LGA 1700 intel systems is a pain, since the top CPU's of those MB's are already incredibly overpriced since the sellers know it's the best CPU to upgrade to. (a used 9900K costs more than a new AM4 mb + 5800XT which outperforms it) LGA 1700 owners on the other hand are kind of fucked due to 13th and 14th gen instability. Though if you went with a DDR5 LGA 1700 system you could just upgrade to AM5 and carry over your ram.
>>107484514>its expensive as fucka couple thousand for something that will give you well over a decades worth of nearly free entertainment is dirt fucking cheap, even with inflated ram prices. real hobbies tend to be expensive as fuck.you have no idea just how good you have it.
>>107484673>real hobbies tend to be expensive as fuckSeriously. This has been driving me insane for several years. The absolute maximum you can realistically spend on a PC without literally wasting money is about 8,000. If you buy a new $80 game ever week and replace that PC every 2 years that's about $700/mo. Quite medium as hobbies go. 99.99% of PC gamers will be closer to $100/mo. Basically free. Electronics are not and never will be expensive.
>>107484673i actually do have a reasonable frame of reference in terms of money pit hobbies, that being mountain biking, and dont even get me started on road bike people and their $15,000 bikesand you dont just have 1 bike...for what you actually get out of it the idea of a custom built PC is just poor value now, theres very little reason to buy into something like that depending on what your goals areif youre just gaming, a console is a genuinely better option now, because even an economical DIY now doesnt compete with consolestheres the value aspect of not spending as much money on games but game subscription services are less of an issue to people on average than you'd think and thats extremely cheap all things consideredif youre trying to do actual work, youre buying a boring office PC or a mac, and both of them are better value than custom building a PC to do solidworks or photoshop or whatever because if youre doing it yourself, your time isnt so valuable that you cant wait an extra 4 seconds for a scene to render anyway, and that 4 seconds starts to cost more and more money on the PC side of thingsand then if its just a general purpose tool, youre still in the same boat, why even bother with a desktop if you can get a tolerable mid tier gaming laptop that does all of the above for less money?the values of upgradability, serviceability and your own customization start to become really expensive if youre getting those things via a PC, and when the numbers get bigger, people start comparing their alternatives and taking them a lot more seriouslya $2000 pc now doesnt offer very much more than a $1000 mac, or an xbox + a cheap gaming laptop, is what you get actually worth the price difference? mostly no
>>107484697Who the fuck spends over $700 a month every month, year after year on something? On what?
>>107484462Excellent, more reason to deny normal poor citizens this precious resource. Divert supply towards datacenters, they'll be making bigger and better boards for us now instead of toys.
>>107484613>Since 5700X3D and 5800X3D are no longer madeProbably to avoid canihalizing AM5 sales, otherwise more would still be sold.
>>107484587Micron has at least 2 fabs in the US, Fab 4 (Idaho) and Fab 6 (Virginia).
>>107484673Computers nor keyboards should be hobbies, they're tools, machines. That's the problem. I don't recall people making an abacus, a shovel, or soldering equipment a fucking hobby. Or even telephones or vacuum tubes.
>>107484462Home computing is in a death spiral. Buckle the fuck up boys, it's gonna be all cloud all the time.
>>107484573LGA 775 was the height of mobo quality after Pentium 4 hell wasn't it? Damn copper heat pipes on those.
>>107484514It's fine if you make smart decisions with what you buy and upgrade at the right time. I bought a 5800X3D a couple of years ago because I knew it'd (at least) hold its price, and as a result I recently moved to AM5 and made a profit in the process.Sold:5800X3D - $405MSI X570 ACE - $16032GB DDR4 3600 - $210Bought:9600X - $135MSI B850 Edge TI - $26532GB DDR5 6000 - $120Over $250 in my pocket to get on a new platform and see a massive performance boost to the things I actually care about like emulation. Sure, it's only a sidegrade for regular AAA gaymes, but who plays those in 2025? In a couple of years I shall purchase the 10800X3D and the cycle will start anew.
>>107484877Probably.With a honorable mention for some of the higher quality AM3+ motherboards, just too bad they were chained to the bulldozer architecture.
>>107484795Alcohol
>>107484852>Fab 4 (Idaho)R&D only>Fab 6 (Virginia)Mission critical onlyNeither of these fabs produce mass scale consumer or datacenter chips. Allegedly in the future they will in Idaho and New York but like most AI bubble datacenters there's no guarantee that ever actually happens at least at anything close to the formerly promised scale. American manufacturing simply isn't competitive.
>>107484795Americans have so much money you have no fucking idea
>>107485011The average young single American has enough money to invest $1.000 a month into the stock market.
>>107484462This shit is so hilariously retarded, all for a fake AI meme that is going to crash the economy sooner or later. I don't really give a shit though. I only play ancient games and use minimalistic software because it's just better. I will use ancient laptops and PCs and be happy.
>>107484462I'm one of them, building a new PC. No reason to buy a CPU and a MoBo now when you can't get RAM. Just wait and all the components will be cheaper later.
Uhhhh so I should be MOMMYBOARD MAXXING?????
>>107484462oy vey! we have to raise prices now, otherwise our profits will fall.
>>107485342just wait till all the manufacturers decide there's no money in the consumer market and close shop
>>107485342Waiting for motherboards to be slashed to clearance levels before I buy one, CPUs are surely soon after
>>107484573Yeah mobos that used to be 100 bucks are now 200 and have half the features and build quality they used to have.
>>107485422I do kind of miss my GA-P35-DS3.
>>107485422Like I checked Newegg prices of some old systems. Back in the Hashwell days you could get a H97 board (allows CPU overclock but not ram) for 65 bucks. Nowadays a new H810 board is 113 bucks.
All of the best games can run on hardware from 2 to three generations ago. As long as consoles lag behind and upscaling is supported the need to upgrade becomes less.Also graphics are stagnating even games that require a 5090 are just poorly made.Can you name one poorly optimized game that actually sold well this year?
>>107485704>Can you name one poorly optimized game that actually sold well this year?e33
>>107484462Crypto niggers aren't buying at scalp prices anymore? What a tragedy!
Cloud computing is the obvious solution.
>>107485704I mean those unoptimized games were made with the mind that PS5 is the minimun spec. The games that are optimized well are still made to run on the base PS4, 12 years later so off course anything will run those games.
>>107485782It ran better than the AAA slop and is a RPGIn>>107485892Yet they have to abuse upscaling with graphics settings worse than PC low
>>107486150e33 runs like shit just like every other ue5 game
>>107484554
>>107484866>abacusmath club>shovelgardening club>telephonesgossip>vacuum tubes>audiophilefags
>>107484613AMD would be smart to make some more for AM4lets like me, because I sure as fuck would not buy a DDR5 system, but I could be convinced to pay even above previous MSRP for a 5800X3D.
>>107484462You don't need to buy a motherboard to buy a CPU
>>107485356I hear ya but I'm still not buying.
>>107486171caveman?
>>107486171
>>107484462>Motherboard sales are downBuy The Dip™
>sales are downWhat about their price?
>>107484613>LGA 1700 owners on the other hand are kind of fucked due to 13th and 14th gen instability12th gen is the only Intel CPU worth getting.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/motherboards/the-dominoes-are-falling-motherboard-sales-down-50-percent-as-pc-enthusiasts-are-put-off-by-stinking-memory-prices/>But how did we get here? Would it surprise you if I said 'AI'? A whole lot of memory is necessary to sate the computational demands of an AI server. Actually it does surprise me. Why doesn't the article tell us who has bought which amounts of RAM in the last few months? The reason must be that the journalist doesn't know anyone who bought tons of RAM. And she doesn't know anyone because there is no one, and a RAM cartel is artificially limiting the quantity.
>>107484462I expect a huge crash in computer prices when the AI bubble does burst. The reason it will burst has to do with a lack of revenue by the companies actually making AI (not Nvidia for instance). Imagine the flood on the market if even one of these data centers closes.
>>107484462as will gpus. maybe it'll force game makers to optimize again.>>107484587how so? you believe these wouldn't be selling to ai datacenters as well.>>107484785>a console is a genuinely better option nowno. console have limited hardware, and more importantly, a limited store that gets obsoleted at a certain point. i also believe you're a bit out of touch with reality. upgrading your system every 2 years? this isn't the 90's where you gain several 100% of speed in that timeframe. only fools spend thousands to get 10-20% more frames. and let's not forget the keyboard mouse input for many games. i enjoy controllers more, but there is a vast audience out there using keyboard mouse. just look at the steam charts to see what are the top most played games and you'll notice them all being keyboard/mouse games aka custom pc build games.>>107484535it could be the canary in the coal mine
Any increase in price due to lower production (if demand stays low) can be compensated by>Removing all gaymer rgb shit>Removing all other cosmetic shit>Consolidating the line up. If I check Asrock for products with a AM5 socket, B850 chip, they have 8 with a micro-ATX form factor, and another 9 with an ATX form factor.
Can you stop being a fucking retard for a whole minute OPhttps://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/motherboards/the-dominoes-are-falling-motherboard-sales-down-50-percent-as-pc-enthusiasts-are-put-off-by-stinking-memory-prices/
I just bought 5 Thinkpad X270s for $300 and 2 Ryzen 5700s mini PCs for $200. I figure these will last me decades
>>107489106
Soon your "PC" will exist somewhere else and all you've have is a terminal to log into it.
>>1074845884. play good old games on a toaster since most of the new games suck anyway
Just buy a minipc it's what all the zoomies do
>>107489446We going full circle
>>107489446No because phones and tablets will remain affordable, and they are essentialy computers.
>>107488598They will spend millions destroying the hardware instead of selling it back to the consumer.
>>107485872You eating shit is the obvious solution.
>>107486169I looked it up the other day, it ran 30 fps on a 2014 pc
>>107484527yeah rich faggots are really out of touch with reality
>>107484514wrong. young people have no money. when you get a bit older then what the fuck else are you going to spend your money on? you may as well buy a $5000 PC with a $4000 GPU in it.
Since no one will be getting new PCs anymore won't this force the rest to also shift to server scaling? Is the cloud meme actually happening?
>>107484462Ddr6 can't come soon enough
>>107484959you can make your own for a fraction of that
>>107484866The manufacturers genuinely want us fighting with each other over wooden tools and shovels while they get state of the art AI. This is the end goal: We live like subsistence farmers, they live like cyberpunk.
>>107484554It's PCGamer, they're Reddit-tier journalism. Youch!
>>107484871>>107485872>>107489446Shalom!
You don't need to upgrade if you have a GPU equal to a 3060 or higherMany of you doomer faggots don't need to upgrade and ignored us for years
>>107490810It means Servers and server scaling doesn't really have a market if no one has a PC. Awesome, everything is in the cloud, how are we going to get to it? 20 year old hardware? Netclients that cost as much as full featured desktops do now? They need RAM, CPUs, Motherboards, and storage too. This shit is going to explode in the most hilarious way.
That means cheap mobos and CPUs. BUY BUY BUY
>>107484673Computing as a hobby only worked as a market because it was cheap. Literally. That's the only reason it ever became a hobby. The earliest minicomputers that cost tens of thousands to own didn't have kids browsing imageboards on them. It's effectively the same as saying all technological process needs to halt so we can feed datacenters who can't even use this hardware to begin with.
>>107491037You haven't been paying attention have you? It literally doesn't matter how few people buy something. It could go down to only one person buying it for historical reasons to put on display as a museum, it'll still cost $5,000 plus tip because ThEReS AgenTiC Ai SomEWhErE ThAT CouLD Be EaTiNg ThiS
>>107491021They'll sell bottom of the barrel PCs enough to run a browser window. Agenda 2030 here we come.
>>107484462Jesus fuck I am glad I didn't end up selling all my old parts when I got a new rig back in October. What a nightmare.
>>107491130Those $150 aliexpress minipcs are 5 times faster than my web browsing laptop
>>107488315You can find CPUs below MSRP.
>>107484514No it’s pretty much just the DRAM. We’re talking about sales data from last December here, not some long term trend.
AM4 chads keep winning
>>107484866White faggots can't help behaving like groupies over anyone and anything
>>107484795My vintage motorcycle collection, home machine/vehicle/welding shops including expansion, various trucks and a firearm now and then. I buy tools, steel and hardware well in advance of need or want to dodge inflation and have done so for many years. I'm debt-free thanks to DIY slashing my COL and only spending on (motorbikes excepted) equipment which makes the rest of my life easier. I repair, mod and maintain essentially everything I own and have done so for decades.I'm poor by US standards only netting ~70K/year, but I carefully planned ahead to live where that goes a very long way so about half my net income is discretionary.Seven hundred bucks a month isn't much in 2025 for those who live wisely. I've plenty of savings, home paid off (bought cheap then DIYed) etc. I did nothing special or unique, but chose to plan life like the war it is. I know my use rate for everything I use, so I can buy things far in advance of need for small money because I'm free to hunt bargains when there is no pressure to purchase. Mundane example: I buy boots several pair in advance since they will not become cheaper nor higher quality. My foot size won't change and I never have the slightest urgency to find footgear. Small economies add up. If I needed an expensive PC for work that's no different to me than an expensive welder (except none of mine were expensive because I buy used industrial welders that last many decades). If it's a tool not a toy I'd spend money to make more and a month's pay would not be too much IF it made me sufficient profit. OTOH paying for pixels to pretend I'm someone/thing else is not currently a priority.
>>107485476Use an inflation calculator to evaluate real change.
>>107493794>I'm poor by US standards only netting ~70K/year70k a year on good ground is much better than the ones making 100k+ who then get chopped the moment a bad quarter comes around.That's good money outside the big cities.
Mainboard companies deserve to go bankrupt.It's ridiculous how they cut costs and try to scam the consumers.Easiest example, audio chips and codecs.Back then my Asrock B350 Mini-ITX board had ALC 1220 codec, and the whole board was sold for 130€.
>>107488598it didn't happen for crypto mining, prices never crashed and remained higher than before
>>107493794Yeah you missed the keyword "something" here. Some THING. Like if you buy firearms they can be expensive but I doubt they add up to $700 per month alone, year after year with no breaks. Of course if you add all your life together it goes over that easily but that's not what I asked. I asked for an example of one specific hobby thing that takes that much money. A welding machine doesn't eat that much money constantly even if you had to do a larger one-time payment. Neither do shoes. The original statement was that $700 per month on your hobby is mid-tier. I wanted to hear what that hobby is.
>>107488598>I expect a huge crash in computer prices whenYou faggots have been saying this for soon a fucking decade and prices have done nothing but go up along with sales.
>>107496094>The original statement was that $700 per month on your hobby is mid-tier. I wanted to hear what that hobby is.Probably running a boat or a plane. Those things EAT money.
>>107484795Alcohol, anyone with horses, golfers, basically anyone with a real hobby. Sorry to tell you this but wasting away on your couch and watching some shit on your TV never was and never will be a hobby and I say that as someone with a 1000+ movie collection.
>>107485011We wouldn't be seeing this type of threads during American hours if that was really the case
>>107484462Good. Fuck it all, burn it to the ground. I'll buy Chinese and America can rot.
>>107489654They're going to go up in price alongside computer components, unless the manufacturers are willing to eat some losses because they know phones/tablets will be the only avenue left for consumers to access their other services (payment systems, apps, etc)
>>107485011you are delusional, it's all credit card debt
I just realized, because of this thread, that I really didn't need to buy a 9070 xt just because you can finally get one for MSRP. That shit is going to drop another $100-200 next year
>>107489654Completely delusional. Samsung's phone division is currently negotiating deals with the Samsung flash fab division to ensure they're going to have RAM and storage next year as in they're literally running out of components for their smartphones right now and they have to pay themselves above market rate for it to be worth diverting flash chips to their own phone division instead of selling it to someone else.Remember how we made fun of people for spending four figures on a phone? Three months from now you're going to be begging to get a previous $400 phone for only $2000.
>>107484462>inb4 mobo companies start making RAM.
Didn't we pass shit like the CHIPS act to reduce reliance on non-US suppliers for parts? I demand legislation preventing Micron from selling to non-Americans until the memory crisis is over. Force Micron to only sell to Americans, play up the buying American is patriotic angle, and create some demand for new US fabs.
>>107484697>$8000but that's the price of just one rtx 6000 pro blackwell
>>107498484The bottleneck isn't the modules. Its the DRAM chips.
>>107484514people who don't play video games can really just get away with some computer from the dump running linux
The last thing we want is the industry to try and push >Cloud gaming! Pay us a fortune for access to the hardware you can't afford, with us always looking over your shoulder! Nothing happens on your PC bullshit. Also, its important to note that besides most people in this country spending more on everything from food and fuel thanks to the faggot in the whitehouse stealing everything not nailed down for billionaire friends and not understanding how tariffs work, the RAM shortage thanks to proprietary AI faggotry (note that AI is not the problem itself, its every VC-infested overvalued AI company that claims its doing something AI related and promises to be a Unicorn is running hundreds of thousands of dollars of hardware to train models andotherwise fuck around. If all models and training data sets were FOSS, we wouldn't have this problem - this is proprietary SaaS faggotry ) by more billion dollar companies that are taking your tax money and being propped up as "essential", and all kinds of other issues with PC affordability, its still worth mentioning its late in a release arc. People who wanted to build an Zen5 based AM5 PC could have done it over the past year or more, so they're not going to be clambering to do so now. Its just the same way that even with improved GPU prices (well up until recently of course thanks to RAM faggotry jacking prices again) most people bought earlier when NV 5000 or AMD 9000 series came out and went through their waves of price and availability. So motherboards not selling as much isn't the biggest issue in and of itself as a metric.
>gpu companies refuse to bring higher vram to standard $200 for more than a decade>ram prices spike exponentially in the last month>still garbage quadcore cpu at mainstream level
>>107484554It's tech journalist, the lowest kind of journalists.
I don't care anymore, just https://youtu.be/-dUu1QoiwZI
>>107500014>>still garbage quadcore cpu at mainstream levelWhat do you mean with this? Besides the i3's all entry level CPU's are now 6 cores at least.
>>107484462>Motherboard sales are down 50%>Which means CPU sales are also down about 50%That's not how it works
>>107503332I've had 4 AM4 cpus but only 3 motherboards
>upgrade pc>try some last gen games like cyberslop, marvel slop etc>they are all shit>end up playing half life 2 and counter strike>try AI generation with local models>slop slop slopskizos are right, a stinkpad is more than enough for modern computing
>>107501391Quadcore cpus are garbage
>>107485342I was a waitfag since 2017 due to GPU prices. I finally folded and bought this year. Prices never went down, the higher prices just ended up being a "new normal."It'll be the same for RAM. With all of 2026's production already ordered and no plans to increase capacity, it's looking bleak. Not to mention that the only companies that make memory were all involved in price fixing years ago. Even if the AI demand craters they will just agree to keep prices high to suck margin out of consumers.
>>107503514I've been planning a build since 2023 in a text file with price tracing and they have been going down for me. Then again I don't need a new GPU, only new everything else.
>Which means CPU sales are also down about 50%So AMD and Intel exit the consumer CPU market too?
>>107484514I've bought my first current gen console (PS5) new at 29 since I got a DS lite for Christmas in 2008 because I'm fucking sick of gaming on Windows at my desk, fucking DRM, Steam, Windows taking ages to boot, more updates, out of memory etc etc fucking garbage Valve won't fix it with the Steam cube because it will be too expensive against the PS5I can guarantee you the likes of Sony, Xbox and Apple will negotiate the cost of their ram on a 5 year contract for the manufacturing cycle of the device and they won't pay a penny more in this volatile market, they will be supplied first over consumers as well. Valve won't have done that because they are too small / won't have placed a large enough order for manufacture, hence it will be $800 for the box.
>>107484866Compare it to watch collecting and weap
