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Randomly plugged my HD600 into my Thinkpad X1 just to see what happens: plenty of volume at like 40%. Why did everyone say these need an amp

>>107486051
No anon you don't understand, you must CONSOOM

Daily reminder that if you're watching or reading a headphone review and they're not blind testing it with and without EQ, with multiple amps and against other headphones, that's not a review it's a sales pitch

>>107486557
You can't blind test for headphones or EQ, and nobody can tell decent amps apart.

>>107486581
kek idk why i typed blind, meant testing alongside other comparable headphones to describe the sound signature because "mellow mids" or "veiled treble" means nothing without comparing to something else

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Which EQ looks better

>>107486764
second one

>>107486764
1st probably has slightly less annoying treble

>>107486764
>not Harman
you will not enjoy
you might think you enjoy but what you say is not representative of what you truly hear

>>107485917
is there a single planar that isn't poop with worse than 8€ iem single dd samsung akg channel imbalance and earpads that are glued with 3M VHB double sided tape?
I like the timbre but it seems to be difficult to find one that isn't riddled with problems
already bought DCA Noire X and had to return it because the channel imbalance was so bad(multi db) i'm considering the possibility the manufacturer is lying about the channel balance spec considering the manual states 0.5db 20hz-20khz but the actual balance is much worse

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Was it snake oil?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-spec

Do you use a bluetooth portable dac?

>>107487617
yes

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>>107485917
Got picrel for $500. Finally found them for a decent price. Once you fix the treble with a high shelf these are very nice. Somehow more comfortable than 2C despite being heavier. Also, holy fuck are these easy to drive. With a -10dB preamp I don't need to set the knob on my K7 to more than like 45%. Without the EQ it's about 35%.
>>107486051
Depends on the onboard sound card. My PC's onboard audio is so shit that plugging my HD600 in, I had to turn the volume to over 70% and if the source was quiet or I had to use EQ then it's ogre. But yeah, if you don't listen too loud or have a decent soundcard in your device then you probably don't need an amp. I've seen people plug these into portable consoles and they were loud enough.

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>>107486975
>is there a single planar that isn't poop
Yes
>channel imbalance
Okay nevermind. Most I've seen often have small channel imbalance in the treble specifically. But it shouldn't be multi dB. Well, maybe 1.5 dB or 2 dB at most but certainly not more. I've seen this happen with some DCA 'phones specifically. I don't know the exact reason for it is, though.
>earpads that are glued with 3M VHB double sided tape?
If you don't glue the pads on then you lose the best feature of planars which is the deep bass response. Sure, even with regular pads you can get almost flat bass up to 20hz but with glued on pads you get flat bass up to 5hz. Now, this isn't audible but the air vibrations are definitely something you'll feel. It's only really DCA and Audeze that glue them on, anyway. Meze and Moondrop use magnetic ones iirc. Chinkfiman and FiiO use hooks. You could get one from those companies instead but
>Moondrop, Hifiman
Shit build quality and QC. Well, Moondrop is a little better.
>FiiO
Still china tier QC but at least a little better than the above
>Meze
Kind of overpriced and I've seen some people report dying drivers so y'know.
There's also ZMF, I guess. But I'm not sure whether you'll like how their stuff sounds like or not.

>>107486051
Sound quality won't be anywhere near the same as a good amp.

>>107488054
>Sound quality
placebo

I've been using Sennheiser HD 560s (plugged into a scarlett solo) for several years but realistically I don't do "critical listening". I listen to shit like midwest emo and pop punk and videogame OSTs lmao.
I love having sound stage from the open back design. I feel like there's a lack of bass, but I don't know if you can ever get satisfying bass from headphones?
>USA, budget is max of like $400
I also own a pair of Fidelio X2HR but I never use them enough to even be able to comment on the sound, I hate the weight and breadth and how they clamp on my head. The 560s are almost imperceptible in comparison.
Should I try something else or just stick with the 560s? I'm not necessarily even displeased with them I just wonder if I'd be better off with something else

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>>107488217
>but I don't know if you can ever get satisfying bass from headphones?
You can. Either via a perfect seal using glued on pads, via a big driver(usually planar magnetic) or both. Or you can just use EQ to achieve the same thing.
>Should I try something else or just stick with the 560s?
If you want more bass imo just EQ the 560s with a low shelf filter and that's it. If you want to try something else you could try cheaper planars like HE400SE, Sundara etc. but keep in mind build quality and QC aren't great. Best bass you can get from headphones is usually Audeze but their good stuff is more expensive than $400 and sounds like shit without EQ. There's also DCA but his cheapest model is more expensive than $400 and you probably won't get the same wide soundstage sensation since even his open back designs are more like semi closed. FiiO FT1 Pro is pretty good value imo but that's the one planar that is limited in the bass by its own design flaws. HE400SE is built like shit but it's cheap enough I think it's worth a try, at least. Maybe you'll like it.

>>107488054
If we're talking about objectively good amps then the only difference is volume. If we're talking about audiophile """good""" amps then shitty high output impedance onboard audio might boost their bass like OTL tube amps and "upgrading" could make it worse.

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What's a good headset/heaphones for competitive gaming? Soundstage and audio positioning must be excellent. Preferably closed so I don't bother people. My budget is poverty-tier $50 or less.

any thoughts on Sennheiser - HD 660S2?
they worth it?

>>107489083
At that price point your only real options are KSC75, Superlux HD681 or chink in ears. SHP9500 is pretty good and can be found at close to fifty bucks sometimes, though.
>>107489111
It's alright. Extremely overpriced. A slightly differently tuned 660S for double the price. At that point just get HD490 Pro which has a better build or the HD6XX which has better stock tuning and is much much cheaper. Or you could also get DCAs since the Aeons are about $500. 660S2 isn't worth it when there are substantially better options all around.

>>107489296
>KSC75, Superlux HD681 or chink in ears. SHP9500

>recommendations haven't changed since 2010

Umm..

>>107489317
Not like anything better in that price range got released in the last 10 years except maybe FiiO JT1 but the stock tuning is questionable.

>>107489317
>>107489341
SHP9500CY is a 2025 refresh

>>107489341
razer, steelseries, logitech, hyperx all use audiophile tier drivers like takstar and etc

>>107489874
50 bucks or less

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-dx5-ii.60996/page-119
>read last 10 pages
>firmware bricking parts of the system
>in one case it won't work out of the box
>there are people on this board telling you to buy this, btw

>>107489974
Yeah I can't bring myself to trust Chinese DACs when it's my own money. They all have like 30 different models with totally different hardware, and they clearly don't do broad compatibility testing.

>>107487959
Oof, apparently DCA has an impedance increase because of the poopy connector, this is't a problem in itself(beyerdynamic does it in their 1770/1990 PRO series so drivers can be replaced without soldering and nobody complained afaik) but the exact connector used sucks so bad it invariably makes 1k+ headphones unusable
The worst is these fools told me by email that they are matched to 0.35db weighted and it's 0.5db 20hz-20khz according to the manual(and even better in more expensive models) then when it arrives at your home you find out it has 2+db, maybe it wasn't intentional from them but what a way to kill trust in their products...

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>>107489874
>razer
Quite literally the worst audio products on the market.
>b-but you can just EQ
Built like shit. HyperX is decent, though, once you get rid of the exaggerated bass.

>>107486975
You could just send it back under warranty in the US. They're very generous with service. Idk what the euro shituation is like.

>>107491179
>the exact connector used sucks so bad
The Hirose one? Didn't know that...

>>107487959
>>107486975
You are driving me paranoid about my FT1 Pro that are still stuck in shipping.
Last month I got and immediately returned T50rp because the imbalance was up to 3dB at some frequencies.

>>107486921
outside of the bass target i despise harman mostly.

>>107491336
I meant that as a compliment, really. It's still chink stuff but it's built better than any Hifiman. I've not heard of any particular channel imbalance issues with that model in particular. As long as the version you got is the newest one with the better screws you'll probably be fine. FT7 is their model with the worst QC from what I've heard, funnily enough.

>>107491336
FT1 Pro was very good, bad for big ears though. Also really needs the capra strap to be comfortable.

>>107491218
It's not the outer cable connector that's bad(even if its proprietary poo made to sell you 100+€ cables), its the connection to the driver that's awful

>>107491336
Just make sure the place you ordered from has a decent return policy, it should be fine even if i wouldn't expect much considering not even 1k+€ headphones like the noire x are safe from this bullshit

>>107488217
I don't think Sennheiser does bass at all from all my reading and own experience with them.
Everything else is clean and high quality sounding though.

>>107485917
I have Arya stealth headphones as pictured. One of the audio jacks is slightly damaged (headphones fell too many times). How can I repair it? I've taken the headphone apart some to see the jack but is there a replacement part I can buy?

>>107491983
It's a regular 3.5mm jack. Just buy a new one and resolder it or if you don't know how to solder take it to a store so they do it for you. A $30 job, basically. And stop dropping your headphones.

>>107492082
where can I get this jack

>>107492227
I imagine even something like this would probably be fine: https://www.amazon.com/Fancasee-Replacement-Connector-Headphone-Earphone/dp/B07Y8LNMM6
But actually removing the old one might be a bit of a pain in the ass. Iirc Hifiman actually made the jacks part of the cups instead of just using glue so they're harder to replace. And watch out for the magnets when you're taking the headphones apart, they're strong enough to suck in metal objects when they're close, like a screwdriver for example.

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>>107487059
Was? Seems it's still in production today, pic related.

>>107491206
There's only one seller in the EU with a good return policy i know of(Thomann) and DCA is not selling units to them directly anymore because apparently they're selling their headphones too cheap
The others will have you pay to return headphones that should never have passed QC and do not meet specs...
Apparently i am not the only one who got a DCA unit with multidb channel imbalance from Thomann, it may be possible that DCA is dumping qc rejects on retailers they don't like, that said the hypothesis that their internal connector is so fragile it can't survive shipping to EU or they are lying about channel balance specs is more plausible

>>107489874
HyperX uses Takstar as their OEM, but after HP bought HyperX they pushed out a revision to the Cloud that removed all the acoustic tuning material from the cups and fucked up the tuning completely.

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SJY Zeph is up, looks pretty cool but I will wait for reviews since $1000

I feel so overwhelmed by DAC and AMP stuff
Who needs a dedicated DAC for example?
I just want to get my X2HRs loud enough and sound the best they can (without overpaying for heavily diminishing returns)

>>107494005
If you have a macbook/pro you probably don't need anything, the onboard dac is great and noticeably better than audio out from my pc
and for those headphones i probably wouldn't spend anything more than 100 bucks or so, maybe 200 absolute max unless you're going to upgrade your cans down the road
probably just a dongle or portable dac/amp or something

>>107494005
I use it as a signal integrator. RCA outputs for active speakers, XLR goes to headphone amp. Since my speakers do not have volume control the DAC functions as one.
Also it gave an old DVD player from my parents a second life as a CD player, as it can send digital data through optical output to the DAC which does the conversion and then play it through speakers or headphones.
Also it functions as a bluetooth receiver which is extremely convenient.

That being said - for me it makes quite a lot of sense because I have a lot of stuff connected to it. If you only have headphones then its mostly a weird flex.

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>>107494005
>Who needs a dedicated DAC for example?
If your onboard audio is noisy then you use a dedicated DAC. Also could be useful to connect multiple pieces of equipment together.
>I just want to get my X2HRs loud enough and sound the best they can
They are fairly sensitive headphones, a portable solution is probably enough just like >>107494114 says. Keep in mind that their impedance is frequency variable. Meaning you want something that does well at 33 ohm tests otherwise the bass might seem anemic. So you might want to get a dongle or something but maybe not the Apple one for this particular situation. You'll probably be fine with the FiiO dongles but if you want a desktop solution you can get a Schiit stack, something from JDS or even one of the FiiO desktop models if you want. I'd avoid models that use R2R chips if I were you, though.
>>107494181
Mine is a combo but I use it in the same way. Connects my turntable and PC to my speakers and headphones. Preamp mode is useful for controlling the volume on my speakers since their volume knob only goes up in increments so it jumps from 50% to 70% etc. and the knob on my audio interface is more convenient.

>he can't hear above 20 kHz
no wonder you plebs think DACs don't affect the sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzECc522A1Y

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>>107488054
See, that's what I'd thought from reading redditors, but whenever I've read stuff from like actual audio engineers, they say that good aplifiers should NOT color sound. So if my laptop is giving adequate volume, then it's not clear to me just in what way an expensive amp would "improve" the sound

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>>107488934
>shitty high output impedance onboard audio might boost their bass like OTL tube amps
I've wondered if this might be why I find my HD598 sounds better on my gaming desktop. The bass is indeed noticeably more present

>>107494487
Why are you assuming your laptops amp does not color sound?

>>107489874
Trips that never were, yet so correct and seethe inducing

nobody likes beyerdynamic here?

I'm looking for new headphones (100-150€)

Was considering DT 990 or maybe shure srh440a from the recommendations.
I just need them for music and multimedia.

I like the look of them. Has anyone had any exp with either? I'm also happy if you could share a recommendation in that price range and your exp with it thx

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>mfw I'm basically an audio engineer

I have a question regarding surround sound/home theatre systems.
I have an old theatre system that's analogue-only, and a digital TV that has some analogue ports. is there a way I can have it output analogue audio to the theatre system whilst playing digital video through the HDMI port?

>>107494504
I've compared it to dedicated, separate amps

>>107494557
>treble eq
>based on graphs
>for headphones
kys

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>>107494500
It's got that same impedance spike in the midbass as the HD600, so when connected to a source with high output impedance you would indeed get extra bass out of it.

>>107485917
Google AI says the Schiit Modi 5 is a DAC, not an amp

>>107494797
It's meant to be the Schiit Magni Unity with the mesh DAC, sorry anon
https://www.schiit.com/products/magni-unity

>>107494923
>$150 less than the DX5II without any of the firmware bullshit
is there any reason not to buy this thing?

>>107495126
No built-in EQ, no balanced outputs, no Bluetooth, no display.
But it's also not made in China and it's a perfectly good digital-analog converter and headphone amplifier combo unit, so if that's all you're looking for it's pretty much a no-brainer.

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>>107485917
>currynigger dongle edition

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Why is percussion so sexy on these? I'm listening to niggas hitting drums and falling in love

>>107494283
Could you elaborate on what an R2R chip is and why it would be an issue?

>>107492935
I can't even find the spec you're talking about on their website. Or any sort of concrete spec, really. Only marketing word vomit. The same at retailers like headphones.com.
>We allegedly care about measurements, but we won't even tell you the most basic shit like weight, impedance and sensitivity.
>t. Dan Clark
LUL
The only slightly related thing I found in their word vomit was:
>The new driver [...] with superior unit to unit consistency
But this only refers to the driver itself. With how sensitive these DCA headphones are to fit and seal, it's fair to assume that they're probably also very sensitive to variability in other parts of the ear cup, so how this translates to the finished product is anyone's guess. Driver matching is usually done before assembly, who knows how they check the completely assembled product and what their tolerances are.

>>107496294
DCA's market is the same as Topping, just make something Amir will gas up and make the ASR cult buy.
Outside of the E3 their shit is overpriced and, like you said, have atrocious seals.

>>107496070
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor_ladder
TL;DR: It's not a chip, it's an old way of implementing a DAC as a discrete circuit of resistors. It's not necessarily bad, but modern integrated circuit chip DACs are cheaper and better performing at the same time. The reason R2R is still around is that audiophools crave novelty, same as tubes, vinyl and other shit. And a lot of them are bad, because audiophools will eat up any broken crap (NOS without filter).

>>107496044
name?

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https://apos.audio/products/sjy-zeph-open-back-planar-magnetic-headphones?_pos=1&_psq=zeph&_ss=e&_v=1.0&variant=47070520312044
what do >we think?

>>107497553
oh that's not bad
>$1k
ok nvm

>>107497553
FR doesn't look terrible, but nothing special either
they claim low distortion, but funny how they don't give any data
cable connectors seem retarded to me, is it specifically made for blobs of lard?
>Sensitivity: 89dB/mV
that's obviously wrong, question is do they actually mean mW or V?
>preorder
never

Holy FUCK why did nobody tell me how /comfy/ Aryas are?

>>107497553
>7mm chassis, aluminium, square cups and weird connector orientation
Wow cool, but who cares?
But besides that it id probably decent, but more of a design rather than an audio product and is priced accordingly.
>>107496313
Unlike DCA Topping does not charge premium for their products and they perform similarly to comparable brands.

>EQing new headphones
>start with a PEQdb preset and my own EQ using a set of msmts
>sounds bad
>try an oratory eq
>sounds a little better
>try my own simpler eq
>sounds the best
>uwotm8
>realize equalizerAPO/Peace was applying the EQ on top of my old EQ for a different set of cans
kek i was wondering why the fuck there was such a huge difference in volume with only a -6 dB preamp
that's 30 minutes I'll never get back

Kind of feel silly asking, but either I have rotten luck, or some atrocious habit I'm unaware of, but I keep having problems with the cable on headphones. It always seems to be the left channel. I've had to replace the cables on my ATH-R70x headphones twice now, and I've only had these headphones less than three years. I like to think that I take care of my shit, and I always hang the headphones when not in use, I don't play with the cable, put weird stress on the connectors, etc. My brother, meanwhile, treats the pair of M40X cans he has like shit, and has never had issues. It's literally always the left channel. And it seems like it gets desoldered the plug, or the copper gets severed, because I can fiddle with the cable once I start having issues and the sound comes in and out. What am I doing wrong?

>>107496638
HDB 630

>>107498554
When you hang them always make sure the cable has free space beneath it so it doesn't bend too much. Otherwise the connectors might get damaged. That's my only guess as to why that's happening. I'm guessing your brother probably just puts them on the desk so that's not an issue for him. If that's the case just get a taller stand for them.

i want hardware that will let me switch between my headphones and speakers. what are my options?

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any info on elfinear?

>>107498860
Any amp that can switch between preamp and the headphones would solve your problem. Just make sure it's one that has a switching capability instead of one that just outputs to both at the same time. FiiO K11 for example can switch between outputs by double clicking the volume wheel. If you want something with better build quality then there are also standalone solutions like the Schiit SYS but that requires other hardware as well to be connected to it.

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>>107499258
Thanks. Will look at this. My current setup is pic rel.

Right now I do switching with voicemeeter but it can be annoying

Anyone still rocking AKG K701s?

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what do I do here?

>>107499786
You could try putting it back together with epoxy.

>>107492935
sucks to be eu i guess

>>107499490
Im an audiophile fag, but even then the mention of Voicemeeter is 50000x more egregious than any of your gear choices. One of the most unstable apps for sure.
Dunno what cheapies are on the market but pre-amp would prolly make you not want to blow your brain out

>>107499786
3D print a stronger replacement. Take your pick from two different screw types:
https://www.printables.com/model/806918-hyperx-cloud-alpha-wireless-hinge-replacement
https://www.printables.com/model/921379-hyperx-cloud-2-replacement-clamp

>>107500685
Or alternatively, swap to a Beyer-style buttoned headband pad and use these (the Takstar/HyperX steel piece is a close enough clone that they fit fine):
https://www.printables.com/model/499953-stronger-beyerdynamic-headband-slider

>>107485917
>open back wired headphones
Quad ERA-1
>bluetooth headphones
Stax Spirit S5
>ANC earbuds
AirPods Pro 3

All you need innit.

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i got the new bose headphones.

>>107498848
Yeah, I always make sure they're stored/hanging in a way that there's no bend at the joints, and to make sure the cable is free of kinks/bends/etc. Here's where things get weird: prior to the R70x, I owned ATH-AD700Xs. Those only have a single connection point for the cable for both cans, and it's on the right can. Somehow, with those, I STILL managed to have the exact same issue of the left can's connection getting loose or desoldered.

>>107501124
Well, it's certainly not the fault of the model, then. Maybe you're wearing them some way the cable bends too much near the connector while they're on your head? It's either that or you're just very unlucky. Can't think of any other explanation. If the amp they're connected to is bad it could be killing one driver for example but if it's just the connector then that can't be it.

>>107485917
I am in turkey. My budget is between $100 and $150. I'm looking for a comfortable gaming headset. I can use it for gaming and normal use. I'm not looking for long term use. If the current one breaks, I can buy a new one. My current equipment is noname regular headphones and I'm looking for a microphone to record sound for YouTube too. If you guys can help me with the microphone aswell, I can spend around $100 to $150 for it.

>>107501346
If you want a closed back then FiiO FT1 is decent. For open back models I'd recommend 560s but Sennheiser went full jew and raised the price of those to like $200. HE400SE is good but the build quality is pretty bad. As for the mic, if you do not have an audio interface to plug an XLR mic into, get AT2020USB+. I think it's been superseded by the 2040USB but that one is a little over $150.

>>107485917
>Poland
>400-500 PLN
>I'm looking for gaming headphones for my sister (she's in high school). It should basically have acceptable audio quality and ideally a decent microphone attached. that's it

>>107501812
I bought myself a electric guitar aswell can you recomend a audio interface?

>>107502018
Buy her bluetooth headphones it'll be of more use to her

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>>107502119
Focusrite Scarlett is basically the industry standard and is what I use as well. I recommend it. Mine is ~7 years old and is still in perfect working order.
>>107502018
Are they supposed to be used near a desk or more on the go? If they're for a PC then SHP9500 is about 250 PLN and Vmoda Boom Pro is 150. That way you're getting what's basically a gaming headset but with decent audio quality and a decent mic.

>>107501812
I found the 2040USB on Amazon for around $120, and the 560s on Sennheiser's website for $250. I think I can buy them at these prices, but I'm still not sure about the headset. Can you recommend another headset? and Hifiman HE400SE build quality seems really bad I found one around $230 I rather give 20 more dollar and buy 560s

>>107502244
I'll wait for sometime before buying a audio interface

>>107502398
>I found the 2040USB on Amazon for around $120
That's a good price for it.
>and the 560s on Sennheiser's website for $250
Holy fuck that's a huge markup. And I don't think those Hifimans are worth more than $150 since QC and build quality are bad. At this price point maybe try HD599 or FiiO FT1 Pro(that's the more expensive, open back version that has better tuning). If you can find either of these for a better price than HD560s then get them instead.

>>107502455
>try HD599
its the same price as HD560s on Sennheiser's own website and other various websites.
>or FiiO FT1 Pro
I found one in a site for $375 yeah not even close. So its either HD599 or the HD560s or a 3rd option.

>>107502517
Holy shit those prices are fucked. In that case just get 560s. HD600/6XX is another decent option but those will probably end up being even more expensive.

>>107497553
Rather just buy hifiman.

>>107502398
>HE400se
>230$
It's 130 euro (stealth) from eu.hifiman.com shipping from Poland. 60-70 euro on aliexpress (hifiman store - shipping from China) for non-stealth and 90 euro for stealth on Ali hifiman local store (shipping from Poland).
I don't know about the warranty in Turkey, whether it applies if you bought from eu store or ali. The non-stealth one most likely doesn't, or you'd have to pay for shipping to China for repairs.

ANYONE HERE TRIED THE DT 270 PRO YET

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>>107502517
Maybe check their refurbished offerings as well. Though no idea whether those are even available in Turkey, their website doesn't even let me select it.

>>107502765
when you ship stuff to turkey goverment takes a shit ton of taxes like buying another one to the goverment
>>107503812
nope not available in turkey

>>107486764
i have zero idea, it is up to your head, ear and torso shape

i wish there was a speakers general so i can shill my vst plugin

Has anyone else ever noticed that the stock HD600 series pads have an orientation to them? I've always assumed this was common knowledge but there is seemingly no mention of it anywhere in online discourse.
What I'm talking about is the way the 'hairs' react when you brush over them vertically. In one direction they get pushed flat and smooth, while going in the other direction they get rugged. Kind of like those soft patterned pillows at grandma's place.
I always put mine on so they go flat when I slide the headphones down onto my head. It does seem make a slight difference in comfort.
What I'm wondering is if other people also have a preference in this or if I'm just highly regarded.

>>107505220
I'm going to be honest, anon. Through all the years of using my HD600 I've never noticed it kek. Will now. But maybe it's me who's the retard here.

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Can you recommend me a wireless pair of cans that has ANC and doesn't require A FUCKIN APP to use all functions? Budget is $180 / 150€

>>107486051
the impedance curve of your headphones isn't linear across all frequencies. what this means is that you could simultaneously be getting enough volume and lackluster bass
but you could also be completely fine, I haven't had an HD600 in a long time because imo it's the quintessential just okay headphone and I want more than okay
controlling volume at the analog level (with a pot) is supposed to be a better idea but it shouldn't matter too much in the realm of audible things afaik, although you're probably dipping below 16 bit at 40% volume

>>107506730
Is ANC really worth it if you don't go top of the line? I don't think that technology has matured enough for the budget market.

>>107486051
>sounds fine
>its all youtube music and shitty mp3s
>through a thinkpad
if you're not trying to listen to HQ music sure, this is the same fallacy as ASR fags who only try cheap equipment and blindly trust measurements that they will outperform other headphones/amps. Once you start exploring bitperfect, EQing etc then you'll realise what you're listening to is muddy, bland shit.

>>107507023
wtf is a bitperfect

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>be ASR fag
>blindly trust measurements from the shitskin who ruined Microsoft sound codecs and HD-DVD
>intentionally fucks up the Yggdrasil measurements out of spite towards Jason, gets caught
>fucks up Susuvara and every Abyss measurements because he can't seal a headphone properly
>listens at loudness levels that only deaf people could tolerate,
>criticises distortion at these unlistenable levels when no normal person would ever hear it.
>still gets parroted by people who don't even listen to gear and just want to be right on reddit
Is Amir a psyop to just make redditors and 'science' fags embarrass themselves arguing his dodgy measurements, or is he this deluded?

>>107507023
>bitperfect
>eq

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>>107507033
for people who actually enjoy music and don't need to EQ everything to the Harman target to feel a sense of self-worth.

>>107507023
>thinks youtube's 128 kbps vbr opus isn't transparent
>thinks 192-320 kbps mp3s aren't transparent
>thinks modern laptops don't have perfectly transparent dacs
>bitperfect
complete total audiophool detected, opinion discarded.
kys

>>107507102
just say you're poor, it's ok

>>107507087
sure, but what is it
do you mean lossless?

>>107507149
best layman way to describe it is not letting windows filters rape the sound before it travels through your setup to you.
another thing to thank Amir for, btw.

>>107507171
ASIO and WASAPI then?

>>107507178
WASPI is more convenient in my experience. I've had ASIO just shut everything off even when I stop playback and need to restart.
Theres no sound difference, it just depends on whether your system offers one or both.

My FT1's just shipped
I had no idea how bad DT 770 Pros we're until this moment

>>107507020
Yeah it got really good over the years

>>107507020
Even just downsizing to older XM4s/Bose ANC cans is gonna give you more than enough quality ANC imo. Outside of the new Bose one the TOTL ANC cans are fragile af and aren't remotely worth the price point off sound or build quality.

>>107507254
my DAC's ASIO drivers work perfectly on my machine whereas WASAPI will require other applications to be restarted in order to have sound again even after you're done giving it exclusive access to the device
it's incompatible with EQ though, and the only "other fix" for Windows' audio engine I recall seeing on ASR was applying a system-wide -4 dB preamp (IIRC to prevent clipping, because why else would you do that)

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>>107507480
Yeah it's probably DAC and driver dependent, I don't think there's correct answer for what will work better unfortunately. All I know is that ASIO refuses to co-operate with me on Roon, Foobar or MusicBee but my system works around WASPI perfectly (even if it is slightly laggier loading initially, who cares).
I don't really EQ anything I'm listening to rn (Sony house sound fag) so it's never been an issue. I can see why it'd suck if you're using cans that you typically want to EQ for a bass shelf or whatever else though. Roon has a built-in PEQ but it's also a money sink I wouldn't recommend to anyone unless you personally find all its features useful.
>and the only "other fix" for Windows' audio engine I recall seeing on ASR was applying a system-wide -4 dB preamp
no idea if it works, but considering Amir is the reason windows filters are so fucked I'd imagine he might know how to alleviate some of it. Toggling bitperfect on/off doesn't really bother me so I'm happy just doing that.

>>107507131
>bitperfect and flac costs money
this doesn't even make sense as bait

>>107506730
>doesn't require A FUCKIN APP to use all functions
in practice that means it'll just have less functions

>>107507102
the virgin Lossy coper vs the chad pure Lossless puritan

>>107507480
>the only "other fix" for Windows' audio engine I recall seeing on ASR was applying a system-wide -4 dB preamp (IIRC to prevent clipping, because why else would you do that)
-0.2 dB preamp is enough to prevent the limiter from interfering: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ending-the-windows-audio-quality-debate.19438/
rest is additional headroom for intersample peaks, but it's not like bitperfect would help there since most DACs don't have any headroom to correctly deal with intersample peaks

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so /g/, why do (You) follow the word of Amir?
>claimed to be a Microsoft sound genius, was just middle management ordering around far more talented engineers
>fired from Microsoft by Bill Gates himself for fucking up so badly, he's the reason you need ASIO bullshit for bitperfect sound
>banned from science forums for failing, then modifying, ABX tests. Still claims he passed those ABX tests to this day.
>going deaf (admits he cant hear a sine higher than 16)
>shilled Harman because they gave him hi-fi to sell at his home audio business
>turned on Harman products after they stopped and Olive told ASR that Amir could never be a trained listener
>now shills Topping because they give him free samples and bought his APx555B for him
>believes if anyone enjoys anything outside of Harman targets, they are lying to themselves
>still doesn't realise you can't hear SINAD differences past a point, and Chinese progress on higher numbers means nothing to anyone who listens to music
>deliberately fucks with testing on brands he dislikes to generate distortion, still can't seal headphones on EARS correctly
>SINAD at 1kHz 300-ohm load, 2Vrms or 4Vrms with a 20kHz bandwidth is not a legitimate way to properly assess purity or transparency of gear
>banned someone for asking why he tests gear at 114db (nobody listens at this level except Amir, who is deaf)
>shitskin

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>>107507102
>>thinks 192-320 kbps mp3s aren't transparent
I know it for sure.

>>107507547
Good! I think I'd explode if I had to install another app

>>107507736
I don't like those apps either, but EQ is quite nice to have

>>107507736
I'm not a fan of EQ, but you absolutely want them on wireless cans which are either bass-bloated or tuned like shit in other ways.

>>107507480
>IIRC to prevent clipping, because why else would you do that
It's to avoid Windows' absolutely horrendous built-in limiter. I also like it because it gives me a little extra usable range on my volume pot.

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>>107498554
Meanwhile my R70X sometimes make static only from the right ear and have for years. It's not always constant so I don't know why it happens. I keep my headphones lying down on my desk but it's possible the cables bend. Also, I've replaced the cable several times and no fix.

Is there a good replacement for ATH-R70x? Under the pads looks disintegrated, I'm not sure why they'd put glued foam you can't replace in it. I need some kind of non-fatiguing headphones that work with glasses. These are the only audiophile headphones I've ever owned. I have a schiit magni 3 and an atom dac 2.

>>107507799
HD550s maybe. Closed backs prolly a no-go with glasses, or I woulda said M50x

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this guy might be the worst ASR poster, even worse than amir

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>you can only get opinions from a shitskin and they all must match the Harman target

>>107509448
>>107509474
Is this a cult? LMAO

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>>107509492
Yeah, Amir essentially rounded up retards who buy at budget price points and gradually upsells them into more expensive shit that, by his arguments, should sound identical to cheaper counterparts.
Harman targets were consumer research studies that got adopted as science, and Amir had a working relationship with them to push it as gospel in returns for good deals on high-end Harman speakers to sell at his former business (Madrona Digital).
When Harman cut him off and Olive left, he found Shenzhen and is doing the same grift with them on Topping and SMSL products. It's the reason his reviews hyper-fixate on SINAD numbers, even though nobody sane would use them as a measurement of a product's quality.

>>107509448
This dude is genuinely insane, whenever any sort of debate kicks off on ASR you can find him posting and declaring that you should just buy what Amir says is good and don't look into anything else.
There's a reason ASR posters don't go outside their forum:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/18ptkcm/amir_reviews_the_susvara/
Even Redditors, who are usually in favour of Amir, were blasting ASR posters hard over this one

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>>107509589
susuvara debacle was funny because so many asr users hit enlightenment and realised 'badly measured' cans can sound great
this whole thing pretty much set off other creators setting their own targets and understanding Harman targets aren't actually science

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>>107509702
lol
lmao even

bros
are the philips SHP9500 good option for casual listening, vydiagaming, and guitar playing?
I just bought the AKG K92 and they suck ass, so i'm returning and getting something else.
My options are:
SHP 9500;
Sennheiser HD400S
Superlux HD681
AKG K240 MKII

These are all my options, sadly.

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Looking for:

>Location (since pricing and availability may vary)
Canada

>Budget
none

>What exactly you're looking for (be as detailed as possible)
wireless earbuds. no need for audiophile products, just best bang for buck

>Previous gear and your thoughts on it
never used wireless earbuds

>>107509734
what does a $6000 headphone do better?

>>107509815
sounds better
unless you look at a graph then it sounds terrible

>>107509833
schrodinger's ear

>>107509735
SHP9500 are prolly the best of that bunch, also because of comfort
HD400S are the only closed back on that list, in case that matters to you

>>107509742
>>>/g/iemg
https://www.scarbir.com/
generally, even very cheap ones can be surprisingly decent and are thus the best bang for buck

>>107493626
Do people actually like their wires sticking 90 degrees from their head?

Not only does it make the wires look like tusks on your face, but I really can't imagine that tension would be good for either the connector or cables.

>>107509880
I would say i am used to closed back, however, my current Edifier W840 while is a closed back, doesnt isolate anything at all because of the cups
so the philips being open wouldnt change much from these, i assume.
its a shame the k92 are so bad, soundwise
Thanks bro

>>107509893
kek those wires are definitely coming out of the rear of the headphones not the front

>>107509911
No fucking chance. That would put the hinge in the front. And then the wires would go behind your arms? That would be even stupider than tuskphones.

I need to see a pic of someone actually wearing these. I feel like you'd need a 45 degree adapter to make them practical.

>>107510069
>And then the wires would go behind your arms?
it's not like they extend infinitely in a straight line
and the hinge makes more sense in the front, it would be more difficult for them to adjust freely in a way that makes sense around your head if the hinge were at the rear

>>107510170
Lmao show me a picture of literally any other headphone that does this and I'll believe that you're not retarded.

>>107510240
kek there's no other headphones that come out the front either
it's not that the connector at the back isn't retarded, it's just less retarded than putting it in the front
just look at the promotional images, and ask yourself if you've ever seen headphones photographed from the front
you haven't, they're all photographed the way you'd put them on your head, rear facing the camera

>being this butthurt about ASR
What's even your point? Do you want people to put trust in subjective impressions of random others, where everyone can make up whatever and where there can be dozens of contradicting opinions, with no way to make any sort of useful distinction? Do you want people to waste inordinate amounts of time and money to listen to all of the snake oil in existence for themselves?
Comprehensive measurement data is infinitely more useful, and everyone who provides it is to be applauded. Even if they have questionable subjective takes, at least I don't have to take their word for it and can look at the data and use my brain and call them a knucklehead when they're spewing obvious bs, like Amir in his Susvara review (the measurements show very little distortion at normal volume levels, and he has measured many a headphone with far higher distortion where his subjective impression was "I wasn't able to hear the distortion in listening").

>>107507060
asr is not all bad.
those expensive 360 speaker setup measurements, forgot the name, speak for themselves.

at least people aren't retarded audiophile tier in claiming that more expensive cables result in better sound.

about amir, i have no idea what the history is there, but there is now a large comparative database of equipment. so even if the measurement itself isn't perfect, you can compare the data. when a $200 dollar amp shows the same numbers as a $5000 one. why would you buy the $5000 one?

>>107510399
I think it's important for people to realise ASR is borderline subjective too. Most people using it don't have the ability to understand 99% of the data and don't know how fast and loose Amir plays with it.
It's important to educate people here on that, considering this place is almost reddit-tier in chasing cost-value.
(Drama is also fun)

>>107510424
The issue is more he has a track record of measuring stuff incorrectly and then doubling down on it when others provide alternative readings (Ygg 1, any Abyss can, Susuvara to name some). Trying to push 114db listening measurements as anything realistic is borderline malicious too, and a lot of new people to the hobby doing a quick 5-minute 'good or bad' scan aren't going to know how to navigate that.
>>107510399
It's better than snake oil cable shit, but Amir absolutely plays favourites to the point where if you called the FCC on him I wouldn't be shocked if he had undisclosed financial backing from Harman and Shenzhen over the years. Reading clearly new people to the hobby complaining about firmware/hardware issues with their Topping shit across multiple ASR threads while Amir and John Yang leave them without answers is pretty rough shit and I feel as bad for them as I do for someone buying retarded cables or pebbles.

>get apple dongle
>get fiio ft1 pro
>use eq
it's that easy, don't know what's the issue with you all

>>107510399
>he has measured many a headphone with far higher distortion where his subjective impression was "I wasn't able to hear the distortion in listening
he's also used this to say products were faulty, it's at the whim of what he decides on the day/whether the brand is one he likes or not. he's absolutely bad faith and there's a reason he's banned from almost every other forum (science AND subjective)

>>107510345
> just look at the promotional images, and ask yourself if you've ever seen headphones photographed from the front
Oh goddamn it. I can't believe I fell for the bait and thought you were serious. Twice.

But seriously, they put an excellent driver into a thin chassis and just straight up skimped on a shitty connector? Why can't anyone make decent planar headphones?

>>107510551
because the planar market is for hipster redditors too broke to afford estats but want to be different, so they know they'll eat up any slop that gets put out

>>107510544
GZ on your endgame

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>>107510399
>cranking it up to deafening levels for most is objective
>appeal to authority on Harman targets (which have lost popularity since) is objective

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>>107485917
i got these.
did i get scammed?

>>107510750
yes

>>107509735
yes, buy SHP9500
everyone should start (and maybe end) with it

>>107510750
unless you care about ANC, you coulda got a nice AMP/DAC and decent cans for this price

>>107510750
why would you need anc at home do you live at a construction site?

anyone ITT have the Arya Stealth
think I've managed a solid EQ for them and want to see if i'm actually lowkey a master audio engineer

>>107510430
>I think it's important for people to realise ASR is borderline subjective too.
True, Amir's interpretation of measurements is definitely inconsistent.
>Most people using it don't have the ability to understand 99% of the data and don't know how fast and loose Amir plays with it.
Also true, but if you do, you at least get something useful out of it.

>>107510474
>measuring stuff incorrectly
>Ygg 1, any Abyss can, Susuvara to name some
As far as I can tell, there's nothing obviously incorrect about his measurements in those cases, it's just his interpretation of the measurement data and his subjective takes that are sus.
>Trying to push 114db listening measurements as anything realistic is borderline malicious too
There can be meaning to them in the case of headphones where you might be inclined to use EQ to boost some frequencies by a lot. People like Resolve are being retarded too, claiming Clear clipping doesn't matter because "nobody listens that loud", when in reality ~107 dB @ 20 Hz isn't that loud at all and equivalent to only ~60 dB @ 1000 Hz, and content with very high amplitudes in sub bass or even infrasonics exists.
Though Amir's 114 dB measurements suck because they aren't apples to apples, they don't account for differences in FR, and we don't get to see FR at 114 dB, so we don't know about compression, and it's THD only, so we don't get to see a potential rise in more audible higher order harmonics. They will tell you when there are no issues at all, but in cases where there are potential issues, it's often impossible to draw any conclusions (e.g. if you compare his Clear and HD650 graphs, you really can't tell that Clear is worse).
I think what actually matters here is the max SPL a headphone can produce at different frequencies without excessive distortion, so some kind of max SPL test similar to CTA-2010/2034 and AES75 for subwoofers/speakers would be much more useful and would also allow for straightforward comparisons.

>>107510566
estats don't have enough headroom

>>107509815
Have soundstage and I'm guessing sub-bass. Listening with your eyes is dumb.

>>107511239
one of the Abyss cans and the Susuvara both weren't sealed correctly iirc. The Abyss one was confirmed by GoldenSound when he tested it himself irl with the Abyss guys, the info he posted on Head-Fi was right from their lab.
>I think what actually matters here is the max SPL a headphone can produce at different frequencies without excessive distortion, so some kind of max SPL test similar to CTA-2010/2034 and AES75 for subwoofers/speakers would be much more useful and would also allow for straightforward comparisons.
Completely agreed, but Amir is impervious to his methodology being tested. I'm more inclined to like how others on ASR/SBAF do their testing, but I agree if we want a real scientific standard then the idea you're proposing seems way better than 114db memes.
>There can be meaning to them in the case of headphones where you might be inclined to use EQ to boost some frequencies by a lot.
You're much more reasonable here, Amir's response to the 114db testing was "if I want to crank the volume sometimes to enjoy loud music and I can't because of the distortion, it's a bad product"
FWIW I don't put much stock in what Resolve says either, I can appreciate he tries to root a lot of his arguments in the AES papers and other academic documents though. He clearly recognises Headphones.com was getting the Head-Fi treatment/stigma and wants to shift it away from that and more akin to how SBAF operates.
>>107511312
inb4 the 'just EQ it' bait

>>107510750
>gamer headset
even air pods max are cheaper man, return and get the new sennheisers.

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update: still the standard :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjqGXi2zABE

>>107511333
>one of the Abyss cans and the Susuvara both weren't sealed correctly iirc
I don't see anything in the Susvara measurement indicating that. From what I know about Abyss headphones, it's quite hard or almost impossible to get them to seal on a real head too, due to their atrocious ergonomics. So I wouldn't call his measurement incorrect, a measurement showing perfect seal would be equally misleading. Though him only measuring a single seating is generally problematic.

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So, I need speakers and amps for my workshop (2 of them) and bedroom. For the workshops, I'd just be playing mp3 or maybe BT for entertainment. It kinda gets boring when then power tools aren't running. For the bedroom, I need noise to drown out my neighbors and my tinnitus.

For the amp, I'm looking at a combo thingy like picrel.

My problem is that I'm kinda picky (actually, very picky) about sound quality. Even though I'm 56, my hearing is shot and tinnitus. Is it at all possible to get descent cheap speakers?

>>107511554
I got the Susuvara mixed up, it was just the depth of the measurements vs Solderguy's - you're right

why dont they make a full size headphone with 80 ba drivers per cup

Is the PEQdB studio page down for anyone? It's been a couple of days since I checked and It still won't load for me.

>>107509563
>this retard is probably why I got shilled the topping d30 when the O2 DAC was a similar price
I hate shills

>>107511788
Yeah, a lot of the Amir arguments are regurgitated here as hard fact. Sorry for ur purchase.
>>107511781
Works for me

What headphones sound great for rock music

>>107512278
grado

>>107510750
>>107510865
>>107511073
NTA but how much is good ANC anyway?

>>107512435
Air Pods are like $210

>>107512475
Something that isn't IEMs, thanks though. Good night anon.

>>107512483
Momentum 4 costs like $200 right now, the newer HDB630 is $500.

>>107510424
>that 360 thingy
spinorama?

>>107512618
klippel nfs

How's the DCA Aeon Open X?

>>107512738
It's pretty good. One of my favorite models. Takes EQ well. Same thing as Aeon RT Open but with a black color scheme. Needs a comically large amount of power, though. Which is pretty funny considering DCA markets these as somewhat portable, with the travel case and all.

>>107512767
Which part of the spec is power? Is it ohm?

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>>107512792
Ohms is impedance. You calculate power with impedance and sensitivity. Since these are low impedance and also low sensitivity they require a lot of power. See picrel for comparison with other models. About 2.5 as much as HD600 and that's for 94dB. With EQ it ends up being more. Even some of my more power hungry cans like LCD-2 require less power than Aeons. Love those things to bits, though.

>>107511239
>content with very high amplitudes in sub bass or even infrasonics exists
Play this quiet unless you're 100% certain it won't break your playback system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suHX8TDQ-hk
The dialogue should be clear even over that crazy bass (which maybe gets ruined by Youtube, I don't have a good enough sound system to check). There's some hard clipping here too, which actually works because it simulates the shock waves you get from a real launch.

>>107512767
>Needs a comically large amount of power
Not necessarily. You can drive them pretty well for general listening purposes from most desktop sources. If you want the kind of mass dynamic range that makes them worth buying, you need an amp though.

>>107512792
Power is Ohm's law applied to the headphone impedance, sensitivity, and your target listening level. Usually 110dB. Several sites have headphone power calculators.

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>>107514309
heh

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>tfw a happy new owner of HD 600's

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>>107489083
>What's a good headset/heaphones for competitive gaming? Soundstage and audio positioning must be excellent. Preferably closed so I don't bother people. My budget is poverty-tier $50 or less.
I bought some random Chinese headset. MCHOSE V9. Turened out pretty good. It have drivers and everything. Sounds kinda similar to Razer Barracuda. It's not that good for music, but in a pinch will do.

Does HDMI have output delay as soundcards without ASIO support?

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>>107506998
>the impedance curve of your headphones isn't linear across all frequencies. what this means is that you could simultaneously be getting enough volume and lackluster bass
So how does having an amp compensate for this? The impedance curve is still curvy for the cans

Currently using my headphones with an apple dongle. I don't need more.

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>Hifiman HE400SE has a "stealth" and "non-stealth" version and they're 50 bucks apart.
Can anyone vouch for an actual difference in those 50 bucks?

>>107515778
Your source's output impedance becomes a frequency dependent error source when the load impedance changes. Amps are usually <1 ohm, which eliminates this. Though some sources like Apple dongle are also <1 ohm and some 'amps' have non-negligible output impedance. Realistically it shouldn't matter much for the HD600 with any solid state driver.

Usually when people say something needs an amp, they're just saying they needed an amp with their shitty equipment. 99.99% they're not doing a serious performance evaluation of their onboard audio.

>>107515265
Looks like you need a rotary sub to do it justice.

>>107512767
I was just wondering since I want to replace my R70x at some point.
>>107512823
>>107515123
I'll look for a calculator later, thanks. I have a Magni 3.

>>107516506
>Magni 3
You'll be fine running them off of that, then. I have a different amp but mine outputs 2000mW at 32 ohms too, same as the Magni and it runs them fine even with -7dB preamp gain.

>>107516756
Thanks, that's good to hear. So the Aeon RT Open are the exact same?

>>107517010
It's basically the exact same headphone. Only real differences are the X has Drop branding on the headband and uses the Aeon 2 earpads instead, so the earpads are perforated on the inside. Other than that it's the same headphone, tuning is almost the same as well.

>>107517079
Do you think they'll be good for everything? Right now I use my R70x for everything including games, music, videos & movies. Are they comfortable on your head?

>>107517392
>Do you think they'll be good for everything?
Yes. I use EQ to decrease the hump in the bass since it's a little too much for me and to increase the treble and subbass a little. After doing that I consider these my reference and most "correct" sounding headphones. Good for movies since the bass extends low, music sounds great because of the great tonality. I use them for vidya too over all of my other pairs. They have tuning pads you can use to decrease the treble but those are clearly meant for the closed back version so there's no reason in using them with the open back version. Reminder that when Tyll retired one of the very few pairs of headphones he kept were the original open and closed Aeon Flows. That alone should speak volumes on how good those headphones are.
>Are they comfortable on your head?
Yeah. These are the lightest planars I know of and the pads are very soft. Probably one of the most comfortable pairs I've tried.

>>107517392
They may have too much clamping force if you have a larger head. The headband is fancy memory metal, so you can't overbend it to reduce pressure like steel.

>>107500521
it works fine for me. never crashes.

i'd rather have something hardware but it is what it is.

>>107516226
400SE is already stealth, se stands for stealth. I assume you mean 400i since that one doesn't have stealth magnets iirc. Hifiman claims those reduce distortion but that's been measured and it's not true. If anything, the stealth versions of their headphones usually distort more. So the only real difference is HE400SE has slightly better tuning than 400i.

>>107518476
Thanks. Between taxes and imports the 400i is 100 bucks already.
At this price range I'm between the fiio jt7 (130 burger bucks total) or the 400 (around a 100 bucks total.

>>107518660
JT7 measures better than HE400SE and sounds similar to the FT1 Pro. According to Solderdude it's better than HE400 and the Sundara. If it sounds like FT1 Pro, which I've heard, then I agree with his opinion. And the FiiO will definitely be better built than anything Hifiman. So imo just get the JT7.

>>107503759
k so it seems nobody cares about these here but in case someone does i just went ahead and boughted a pair for just 75€ (big french retailer messed up the pricing in italy starting 10€ below msrp + there was a 15% off all headphones today), way cheaper than the equivalent chinkshit ft1 that's all the rage around here
might report back, or not, hopefully my order doesn't get cancelled for highway robbery attempt.

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>>107519111
>k so it seems nobody cares about these here
Sorry anon, I just don't like Beyer headphones. Seems they don't have as much treble rape as the average Beyer so that's good at least. Bass distortion seems pretty high on this model, though. But do report back with your own listening experience with these, I'm curious what more people think about these.

>>107517455
Okay, I'll think about getting these, they might be interesting thanks again. For storing them do you put them up on a stand or something? I just keep my headphones on my desk.
>>107517478
Interesting. I didn't realize that was a problem with most headphones.
Oops, I didn't hit submit earlier.

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>>107519419
>For storing them do you put them up on a stand or something? I just keep my headphones on my desk.
Yeah, I use a stand kind of similar to picrel. It's good to get one with a wide top so the headband doesn't stretch too much at a single point.
>Interesting. I didn't realize that was a problem with most headphones.
HD600 clamp like a motherfucker when they're new, for example. This anon is right, Aeons use a memory metal headband made of a titanium alloy. It springs back to its original shape so there's no way to bend it to decrease the clamp force like you can with HD600. It has never been a problem for me, though.

>>107519209
At least they're already pretty bassy so you won't run into the issue of having to boost already-distorting bass even higher.

>>107519545
True, if anything you might want to decrease it and that would probably help with distortion a little as well.

>>107519209
>Sorry anon, I just don't like Beyer headphones
why
>Seems they don't have as much treble rape as the average Beyer so that's good at least.
yes that's the whole point in these for me, I wanted beyers especially for the cheap, easily available and replaceable headband/pads, something most headphones at this price point don't provide (fiio doesn't even sell pads which is absurd), but I am also sensitive to sibilance and treble rape so a dt 770 wasn't an option, don't like to eq either as I use my headphones on plenty of different devices.
>Bass distortion seems pretty high on this model, though
I'm really not that familiar with the concept of harmonic distortion but it doesn't seem to me like it would be a problem here?
it should only be an issue at extremely loud listening levels it seems, not something I do often, plus it seems to be a byproduct from the fact that these are tuned to be very bassy (it's 3 dB more bass than the ft1), which is also something i normally like, or am I misunderstanding how this works?

>>107511175
nobody?

>>107511175
EQ is personal depending on the profile of your head & shoulders. It's cool you found one you like, but don't expect anyone to be interested unless you have an identical twin.

>>107519545
exactly the point that I was trying to convey in >>107519545
like, if i take the ft1, and I boost the bass by 3 dB to make it match the dt 270 pro, isn't that going to also add a significant amount of distortion?
so it's just like the 270 pro's are eq'd that way (which i like) at the factory through physical tuning
doesn't really seem like an issue

>>107519496
Interesting. Is it a "treble rape" headphones like some anons mentioned different headphones being?

>>107519638
No. Harman sounds best. It is science.

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>>107519583
>why
I dislike excessive treble and distortion and a lot of their models have lots of both. I legitimately cannot use most Hifimans either since the treble fucking kills me and a lot of that is over 10k which I cannot EQ down accurately.
>it doesn't seem to me like it would be a problem here?
>it should only be an issue at extremely loud listening levels it seems
That's distortion at 98 dB so yes, it wouldn't be an issue at normal listening levels. But you have to take into account that a lot of movies have 10dB peaks in volume so you might run into distortion at times. And over 5% in bass is definitely noticeable if you've ever heard distorted bass. But yes, for music etc. I doubt it's noticeable.
>these are tuned to be very bassy
That's not the issue here. FT1 has less bass distortion at 114dB(4.5%) than these have at 98dB(5%). So even boosting FT1's bass by 10dB you'll get less distortion.
>>>107519645
Again, if you listen at a normal level (80~ish dB) then the distortion probably won't be an issue in music, at least.
>>>107519687
No, if anything the treble on the open Aeons is subdued, that's why I boost it. And you also have the foam insterts to subdue it further if you want. I heavily dislike excessive treble or energy >8khz and these headphones never made me hear any sibilance, not even once.

>>107519209
>Seems they don't have as much treble rape as the average Beyer
btw you're underselling it a lot here, they have negative amounts of treble rape, no sibilance whatsoever. https://youtu.be/nO8p6bA5fGY?t=586
(at least as far as this random retard on jewtube is concerned)

>>107519738
Got it, thanks. I think the only time I experienced what I assume "treble rape" is was when I borrowed a gamer headset while on vacation. Or using a cellphone I guess.

>>107519738
>I dislike excessive treble and distortion and a lot of their models have lots of both
so that didn't really answer the question, you dislike *all* beyer headphones, for a characteristic that *this one* doesn't have? doesn't make rational sense, yeah i also hate the treble rape but why would i dislike this model that isn't affected by that? out of spite or something? i like every characteristic of beyer headphones minus the rape so no reason for me not to be interested in these ones.
>But you have to take into account that a lot of movies have 10dB peaks in volume
I know i'm supposed to watch movies with the volume cranked so that i get my eardrums ruptered by the massive dynamic range when gunshots and shit happens as the sound engineers intended but I just don't think i ever reach those volume levels there either desu.
>if you listen at a normal level (80~ish dB)
80 dB is probably my upper limit rather than a normal listening level.

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>>107519757
Yeah, I can believe that. With the sort of treble these have they're probably sibilance free.
>>107519793
It really is an awful sensation. Since a lot of "audiophiles" are used to boosted treble a lot of headphone manufacturers tune them like that specifically. Empyrean 2, from when I tested them, had treble so boosted cymbals and female vocals made me wince. Just look at that frequency response, it's insane some people actually like this sort of sound. Awful, just awful. And the first Empyrean was so good, too...
>>107519842
>you dislike *all* beyer headphones, for a characteristic that *this one* doesn't have
No, I just dislike most of them, that's all. I don't dislike ALL of them, per se. But a lot of them have characteristics I dislike.
>i like every characteristic of beyer headphones minus the rape so no reason for me not to be interested in these ones
Fair enough. I just said that as a general warning since a lot of people like to watch movies with a loud volume and that's when you could potentially notice the distortion.
>I know i'm supposed to watch movies with the volume cranked so that i get my eardrums ruptered by the massive dynamic range when gunshots and shit happens as the sound engineers intended but I just don't think i ever reach those volume levels there either desu.
Based. Means you'll have no issues with any distortion, then.
>80 dB is probably my upper limit rather than a normal listening level.
So you're below the median. Yeah, in that case you'll be fine with these headphones. I've met a disturbingly large amount of people that often listen at close to 90dB so I just threw that as a general warning.

>>107519942
>>107519842
How do you anons work out what dB you listen at? Do you measure what comes out of the earcups, or do deduce it somehow from the exacts specs of your audio equipment and the position of the volume knob?

>>107520062
You can get a sound level meter like this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EZZ8B5Q/ and then cut a hole through a piece of cardboard and put the meter through it. That way you can simulate the seal headphones make and get a semi accurate reading.
>Do you measure what comes out of the earcups
You could just put a mic in there but unless there's a seal it would be inaccurate. Of course you could simply use this: https://www.minidsp.com/products/acoustic-measurement/ears-headphone-jig but who has money to spend on that stuff? But I've been thinking about getting one of these at some point since with it EQ would be very simple to do accurately.

>>107520062
Compare it to a loudspeaker playing pink noise at a known level.

>>107520144
Right, so you do measure what comes out, just gotta simulate your head being there, makes sense. Still not something I could do right now without buying extra equipment, though.

>>107519842
nta but Beyer build quality is almost as bad as Hifiman at this point, they've been bought by the Chinese too
people think they're good goys because they sell replacement parts, until they find out you have to buy replacement parts every year because they just keep breaking
DT 270 has tiny cups, which makes it not very interesting to me

>>107519942
fine then, thanks for clarifying.
>>107520062
>Do you measure what comes out of the earcups
not really possible without proper equipment, especially cause you need the earpad to be properly sealed, you can't just point a mic at the cups and be done with it
>or do deduce it somehow from the exacts specs of your audio equipment and the position of the volume knob?
I think that's actually what crapple devices do when you're using wired earpods or other apple™ approved headphones, the software tells you the exact dB based on the phone's amp and the measured impedance of the headphones (of course it works differently for the bluetooth stuff), but doing so with your own equipment also sounds near impossible to me (actually, might be viable as long as volume is 100%, not sure how you would measure different percentages though considering it's not linear)
so yeah what I do is i just approximate based on how loud real world stuff sounds like, can't really do better than that, i am just very confident that i don't listen to music at the same loudness level as "lawnmower", and will definitely never reach "helicopter" level like that distortion graph did, I can listen music for hours straight with 0 fatigue but I wouldn't be able to sit next to a lawnmower for hours comfortably.
of course it gets complicated when you factor in that music (and especially movies) have lots of transients but my point remains.

>>107520062
>deduce it somehow from the exacts specs of your audio equipment and the position of the volume knob
position of the volume knob is often meaningless, what you can do is set the volume level to your typical playback level, play back a sine wave and measure the voltage with a voltmeter/multimeter, together with the sensitivity of the headphone (better if there are reliable 3rd party measurements) and the loudness of the music (REW can measure A-weighted RMS, for example) you can then calculate SPL

>>107520273
>nta but Beyer build quality is almost as bad as Hifiman at this point
much cheaper than hifiman, also i'm not a gorillanigger, i've previously used cheap headphones with plastic hinges for like a decade straight so i'm not really concerned by build quality, pads and headbands on the other hand will degrade no matter what so that's what I prioritize, no point in extremely durable headphones when you have to throw them in the garbage 2 years in or mess with the original sound quality/comfort with chinkshit pads.
>until they find out you have to buy replacement parts every year because they just keep breaking
you're clearly talking about the 770 pro sliders but that's an issue few people have, probably related to having a bigger than average head putting more pressure than usual on them.
the 270 pro doesn't have these as serviceable spare parts so the theory that they do it on purpose as a subscription model doesn't really apply anyway, the way the hinge is built is completely different and hopefully not as fragile (doesn't seem to be).
>DT 270 has tiny cups
and i have relatively tiny ears.

>>107519942
>Just look at that frequency response
I don't know what any of these graphs or numbers mean. I just know some things hurt my ears. Anything that boosts cymbals and female vocals sounds aids though.

>>107520548
Basically what that graph means is cymbals and female vocals were over 10dB louder than the rest. So about twice or even three times as loud. It's as aids as you think it is. I seriously don't get how some people aren't bothered by that. It's like needles in your ears.

>>107520650
I have pretty sensitive ears so that would probably make mine throb for a long while or give me a headache haha.

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>>107520443
>much cheaper than hifiman
Not really? HE400se is cheap too, and often on sale.
>you're clearly talking about the 770 pro sliders
I've also seen many reports by people who had the headband padding on their DT 700/900 fall apart after only a few months, pic related. And for a while, they didn't even sell that part separately, only the entire headband assembly.

>>107520443
>that's an issue few people have, probably related to having a bigger than average head putting more pressure than usual on them
It's just a basically inevitable side effect of pulling them apart by the cups to put them on your head, which concentrates most of the force on the thin plastic parts.
Not that it matters that much in the grand scheme of things, just have a pair of 3D printed beefier sliders on standby for when they inevitably do crack, replace them, and never worry about them again.

>>107519738
>I legitimately cannot use most Hifimans either since the treble fucking kills me
genuinely can't understand Chinkfiman hype, none of them have ever looked appealing to me visually. Only one was the clear R10 rip-off and that measured so atrociously I wouldn't dare put it on (and I don't EQ anything other than my 650s)

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Fixed the OP for next thread btw since speakerfags stopped making their own threads, I shall cook later

>>107485917
is there any good 4chan wsg playlist maker? there used to be 4webm but it doesn't support mp4s.
4chan sounds tampermonkey is broken af and only finds 10% of the webms

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listening test shit for the Uli next month, wanted to avoid the corny shit like Bubbles even if it's generally a great test track
taking recs

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>>107521610
title track from picrel

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imported these years ago and have gone through many different hp/iems since and these are still my favorite

post all the headphones you've owned NOW
>grado sr60i
>audio technica ath-ad700
>sennheiser hd598
>grado sr325e
>etymotic research er2se
>koss esp/95x
>arya stealth

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>>107522402
'kay
>HyperX Cloud Alpha(it's okay)
>SHP 9500(decent)
>HD560s(pretty good)
>HD6XX(pretty good)
>HD600(same as 6XX)
>HE400SE(sounds good, built like shit)
>Sundara(pretty good other than the drivers dying in a year, haha...)
>Edition XS(way too sharp, uncomfortable, drivers died in ~year and a half)
>Audeze LCD2C(heavy as fuck, good after EQ, great bass)
>Audeze LCD-X(better than 2C but even heavier, treble way too bright even after EQ. Probably a spike after 10k so not for me.)
>Hifiman Arya Stealth(sound worse than Edition XS kek, sasuga chinkfiman. Same treble issues as LCD-X but more severe. More comfortable, at least, but the build quality is worse than Sundara)
>Stax L300(don't sound natural out of the box, but still very pleasant. Cannot do bass, sadly. Build quality is dogshit, lowest quality plastic I've ever seen, shallow ear cups. Weigh almost nothing, quite nice)
>DCA Aeon X Open (decent before EQ, absolute kino after EQ. Sounds tonally perfect to my ear after my tone adjustments. Very comfortable)
And these I don't own but thought I should mention since I've auditioned them, at least:
>Meze Empyrean(very nice tuning, quite comfortable too. Way too overpriced)
>Meze Empyrean II(what a piece of dogshit for such a high price. Actual torture device)
>Abyss Diana(I am vomit. I seriously thought my pair was broken. Maybe it was. Headphones shouldn't sound like this)
>FiiO FT1 Pro(very nice tonality and build quality for such a cheap planar. I have better pairs anyway so I've no need to keep those)
>DCA Expanse(absolutely amazing as far as tonality is, to my ear. at least Comfort was top notch, too. Alas, I cannot justify spending this much for a single headphone. Maybe someday)
And that's a shortened version, too! And the moral here is, don't buy Abyss. Picrel was my honest reaction to trying the Diana.

>>107522402
>hd 6xx
thats all. thats one too many pair of headphones. i use iems and speakers most of the time. headphones are good for the ocassional novelty

>>107522402
my hell
>audio technica ath-ad900x
>audio technica ath-m40x
>sennheiser hd6xx
>german maestro gmp400
>soundcore life q30
>hifiman he400se

>>107522402
in order:
>sennheiser momentum 1 over-ear
>HD650
>fostex TH-X00
>SHP9500
>quad ERA-1 (favorite)
>kph40 (second favorite)
>HD600
>AH-D5200 with D9200 drivers
>quad ERA-1 (second one for modding purposes and to have a back-up pair)
>HE400se (bought it for a laugh)

>>107522402
>DT770 80 Ohm (my first proper headphones, it took me until they broke like 7 years later to find out they were actually garbage)
>HD599 (i was cheap, go for 560s)
>HD650 (very good, will always keep them)
>Arya Organic (first planars, loved them)
>HE1000 Stealth (traded in for Organic, i don't need any other headphone anymore)
>FT1 (my go to closed back now, needs capra strap and third party pads)

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will a two thousand dollar phono make my audio better

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>>107522402
+ nectar bee, ergo 1, altruva, JT1

>>107522945
oh, apparently i dont have the bathys and lcd-2c in that picture. thought i did.

>>107522917
Probably not but you'll get bragging rights.

>>107522917
I mean, if you listen to phono you like muffled and distorted, and that'll get you more of the same.

>>107522402
>~3 shit gamer headsets that aren't headphones I forgot the names to
>Audio technica ath-r70x
That's it...

>>107521584
>genuinely can't understand Chinkfiman hype, none of them have ever looked appealing to me visually.
Cheaper than DCA/Audeze, that's probably why. That and every single jewtuber under the sun is shilling every single one of their models.
>Only one was the clear R10 rip-off and that measured so atrociously I wouldn't dare put it on
Quite possibly one of the worst pieces of audio equipment ever made. What the fuck were they thinking?

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what the fuck

>>107526230
>Cloudflare now gives you malware
Based.

>>107526111
>Cheaper than DCA/Audeze, that's probably why.
Also Hifiman tuning isn't that bad, it's genuinely better than a lot of Audeze/DCA offerings and that was even more true in the past.

>>107485917
Is there not a single, decent pair of wireless, noise cancelling headphones that don't include a mic?
>hands free mode
>low quality audio when mic enabled
>mic quality is like a cellular call from 1999
>voice commands
I don't want this garbage

>>107527820
You're not supposed to use the stock tuning on Audeze dumbass.

>>107528142
ANC requires mic, so no. Just don't use it.

>>107522945
cool collection

>>107522945
trvke