>>107487203How are they going to develop Windows 12 without any qualified people?
>>107487203and so a culture dies... lost to the sands of time
>>107487223don't ask questions, just redeem saar
steam OS will completely replace windows for the vast majority of people
>>107487203>>107487223They will just re-release Win7 with kernel updates and call it Windows Classic. A small project that everyone actually wants.
>>107487203Fuck off
>>107487203oh the freetard cycle>rewrites perfectly functional software>software becomes a broken mess>ragequits
>>107487203when they were making vista iirc they started on xp, but later dropped it and forked from 2003, because server was pure nt and was cleaner than windows that came from dos lineage.If 11 is a trash they might fork from 10 again or server version that is equivalent to 10.
>>107487321>kernel updootsso they will ruin it, like everything they touch
>>107487321Wishful thinking. They aren’t willingly abandoning five years of development to go back to Windows 7. They need Windows 12 to be a massive performance update. Keep 11’s aesthetic but lock in on the actual code itself. That won’t happen though. I wonder if Windows best days are now behind it.
>>107487366>random literal who postMeanwhile, microsoft's HR department is all inclusive and has a budget larger than any open source project.
>>107487321>Windows ClassicCan't wait to play my classic mmo rereleases on Windows Classic!
>>107487321Not one soul at Microsoft cares even slightly about what "everyone actually wants." They care about what they can get away with and finding new ways to fuck over the customer.
>>107487203they believe if they push their ai dick hard enough everybody will just let them.
>>107487317>source: trust me, broCome up with better stuff, bro.
Windows is an ever shrinking part of Microsoft's revenue. You don't get ahead in the company by working on Windows. That's where they put employees before they get PIPed out of the company.
>>107487366>infect something>hold it hostage for XXX
>>107489180>22B from OSI would understand if it was SQL Server, Office licenses, but the OS is dogshit. Unless it's all Windows Server and adjacent licenses which might be usable but they have put 11 probably to gaslight people.
>>107490751>Unless it's all Windows Server and adjacent licensesBingo!
>>107489180and Azure is ass too
>>107487203what makes you think that 12 won't be worse?
>>107487317If it can't run Excel it's only going to replace gamers which competes with console already.
>>107487321That would be nice but it better be an open source community projectCan't trust Nutella and his cronies of bobbleheads to set things right.
>>107487223Copilot, H1Bs and a prayer.
>>107491546>If it can't run Excel it's only going to replace gamers which competes with console already.If the install base gets large enough Valve can invest into the development of a good Excell clone for Steam OS and pay for a Photoshop port. The only reason there is no Photoshop on Linux is because Linux never paid Adobe to port it. But Valve could.
>>107487465>Alyssa Rosenzweig>literal whoShe's one of the the most knowledgeable Linux developers in the world right now
>>107487321I've been hearing this since Windows 10 release in 2015 and it's lukewarm reception. For almost a decade now.No, that is extremely unlikely to happen.
>>107489180The difference is that Windows is a monopoly while Azure could be replicated by others companies.But to be fair, the US is such a crony capitalist economy that they likely don't need to fear newcomers.Funny how so many publically traded companies tried to steal Steam market because it is basically antisemitism that Steam is keeping all the money they make, but strangely nobody is interested in competing against Azure or AWS.
>>107491680and linux still sucks
>>107491651Linux will be fine without Adobe products because Adobe products themselves are so enshittified that their users are exodusing to competing products like Affinity and DaVinci.Excel on the other hand has no real competition.
>>107487203In Pajeetsoft Pajeetware 12 everything runs in Edge browser
>>107491651Anything adobe does now is subscription for the same thing. Holding the user hostage to their own work. Adobe won't port their stuff to Linux, because there is 0 potential NEW users on that platform. Especially for a subscription scamware. Someone needs to build an interoperable program that can read/write these files and maybe export ot to an alternative actually good program. Isn't Photopea byw something that can do this?
>>107491881what's so special about excel? what excel clones can't do?
>>107492226I don't get this either. The new versions are web based. The libreoffice calc is actually better at working with various file formats (Excel shits the bed with CSV) while being decent at what Excel does for majority of the users. The only users left not covered are retards that use some legacy enterprise extensions and integration. They have only themselves to blame that they made themselves depend on such bullshit.
>>107491881>Excel on the other hand has no real competition.Then run pirated Excell in Proton.
Wtf is venture capital and SV doing? This is a primo time for a new OS competitor to get built. Windows is a horrific thing. Droves are fleeing for Linux and MacOS.
>>107487321They will fork vxkey, install it on an SP3 system, implement a new set of themes and call it Windows 12.>in the promised land, after the jeet holocaust
>>107492290Web based version of Excel can't scale with what finance people use which can take gigabytes of rows columns cuz they're too dumb to use SQL.Desktop Excel can work to an extent.Just look at the whole Excel e-sports scene.
>>107487223Same way they did 11
>>107492226Wagies like accountants are baby duck syndromed to only work with Excel and Powerpoint and nothing else.Any deviation on how they work and they literally have a breakdown. They even struggle between upgrades from Office 2007 -> 2013 etc etc
>>107492699Actually curious now if there is some kind of program/interface that lets you work with SQL in an excel-like way. Easily creating and populating new rows with info rather than always having to deal with tedious queries and scripts.
>>107492224>Adobe won't port their stuff to Linux, because there is 0 potential NEW users on that platform.If Steam OS takes off the user base might starts growing. Adobe is supporting MacOS which is like 10% of the market, so there's no reason they'd refuse Gaben's money if Valve asks them to port for their OS.
>>107492733I think you're thinking about Microsoft Access, and yes it's included in the Office slopware subscription
>>107487203>Vibe coding just werk-ACKKKKKGlad these jeets got a reality check.
>>107492290>Excel shits the bed with CSVYou have to use the data importer, not just open it directly.
>>107487321>Windows ClassicI would actually pay for this after pirating Windows for 30 years
>>107492747>so there's no reason they'd refuse Gaben's money if Valve asks them to port for their OS.Microsoft's pockets are a hell of a lot deeper. Besides Loonix customers are less likely to opt for subscription as a service.
>>107487203this filter has conditioned me to think that the windows logo is going to rotate
>>107487203So then it'll be 1000% developed by AI and AI (actually indians). Yeah miss me with that shit.
>>107491680There is no way a 23 year old goblin is the most knowledgeable linux developer.
windows 12 is here
>>107487400Windows isn't free, though.
>>107491806>strangely nobody is interested in competing against Azure or AWS.My former employer, with ~15 employees, tried that (using VMware but hosted on our own hardware) but it was absurdly hard to sell. When we got bought out by a shitty company that had themselves just been bought by private-equity parasites and given the money to buy us, they decided to close down that department completely. It's just impossible to compete with the hyperscalers.
>>107492765Not the same, Excel is as natural to the human mind as a clay tablet. Microsoft sure as hell is trying hard to fuck it up though.
>>107492733You can use a GUI with sql like HeidiSQL. I gave that to some accounting person where I work and it's working well.
Microsoft is no stranger when it comes to buggy system software.But for once, they should stop adding loads of new features and just fix the damned thing.
>>107487321Two more weeks! just keep coping babyduckie, I continously take pleasure in your seethe
>>107487203I'm just impress about how many random shits breaks each day.One day it randomly deleted audio drivers after an update. Another it prevented me to save my work because I disconnected the second monitor before saving. Random error messages about file locations. Piece of shit update broke everyone's macros because they are unsafe now? Da fuck?. External keyboards and mouse stop working because again it removes drivers at random after updates and I'm dreading the day this shit will lock me out when it deletes its own keyboard. Worst part I'm not an IT guy, I just know enough to survive I have to figure out how to fix this piece of shit every week because it keeps finding new ways to fuck up.
>>107487321And the name of that project? Albert Einstein.
>>107495029The problem with competing with hyperscalers is anyone that want's to use hyperscalers is already using them so why go to a competitor with 1/1000000th the resources? And people that don't use hyperscalers aren't going to go to a wannabe hyperscaler.
>>107487321Windows 7 + virtual desktops + modern drivers = home
>>107487223With more AI and it will use 60 GB of RAM when idle.
>>107495568True. I still manage a small, on-premise datacenter and about the only benefit I can see to moving services off-prem would be the supposed resiliency of having geographically isolated redundant datacenters. Then again the recent AWS, Azure, and Cloudflare outages have underlined that there's always some point of failure.
>>107487203Windows 11 already does totally new reinstalls aka upgrades. Updating from 24H2 to 25H2 is the same thing as upgrading from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1 or upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8 was. So they only reason to introduce Windows 12 is the marketing department thinks it is a good idea.
>all major core featuresUh interesting how I've been using Windows 11 since release without any issues yet /g/ keeps claiming it's broken for nearly half a decade now.
Possibly stupid question, but is there any reason why Excel & other Office programs businesses love couldn't be ran on Linux using Proton/other compatibility layers? I mean Microsoft owned games like Halo work well using Proton.
>>107487321For me it's Windows 7 with Real Sugar like they get in Mexico
