isn't the bigger problem that you're using macOS

>>107490637
no

Okay just tell me, can you turn off the colors

Users don't care about the difference between the window going away and the application not running. The window minimises through animation to a specific location, and can be undone at that location. And green makes the fucking window full screen.

Be less autistic.

>>107490663
>Be less autistic.
>explanation is even more autistic
ok

>>107490626
>retard doesn't get that in macos you can have apps running without necessarily having windows attached to them
>retard doesn't get that in macos you can just hide windows for whatever reason
>retard doesn't get that macos lets you have multiple fullscreen apps you can switch to via a simple gesture

>>107490663
good goy

>>107490653
you can, you just have to switch the accents color to monochrome

>>107490626
I hate Theo, but he's right. There is absolutely no use case for these buttons. I have used a Mac at my work for 3 years now and I have never clicked on any of those buttons.

>>107490701
how do you minimize or close apps?

>>107490626
it doesn't kill the process because opening just a new window is faster

>>107490709
>minimize
use case for minimizing?
>close
command + Q

>>107490742
>command + Q
that kills the app though. what if you just want to close one window?

>>107490773
>if you just want to close one window
what does that mean? I am either using the app or I am closing it with cmd + Q. There is no need for anything else.

>>107490773
>>107490788
Or do you mean closing one window from the same app? If yes then you do cmd + W.

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>>107490626
It should have ended with this. Yes higher res and better looking wallpaper but you really don't need more windowing than this.

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>>107490626
Theo who?
Theo Vadt Ho.. hold on not this homosexual vercel shill.

>>107490710
This is critically important on macos, as application startup is as slow as treacle. Even the basic notepad app takes like a second to start on MacOS.

Interestingly, modern windows is starting to have this issue too. I expect at some point windows will go full MacOS and turn the taskbar into a dock.

>>107490626
people use the buttons?

>>107490626
everything on windows just werks and just makes sense, but coping alt tards will forever hope and cope that one day mac, chromeos, unix and loonix will be more logical

>>107490626
> at least Windows make sense
Nope.
Some programmes stays open when you click the close button, they just silently run in the background, some will hide in the taskbar area, some will hide in the notification area.
Same shit with the minimise button, some will minimise in the taskbar area and some will hide in the notification area.
The only thing that makes sense is the maximise button.

Anyway, these buttons are useless, learn to use the keyboard.

>>107490855
There are straight vercel shills?

>>107490878
>as application startup is as slow as treacle.
it's really not. especially compared to windows.

>>107490981
It absolutely is. Even the basic notepad application takes ages start up from cold. MacOS hides application startup by keeping applications running after first start.

Windows on the other hand can't do that because its task bar is based on window not application. Traditionally windows applications started very fast. Simple applications like notepad can start basically instantly. Though in modern windows bloated modern apps take a long time to start, which is bad for the window based taskbar.

>>107490626
Stop amplifying this faggot. Theo's rent is due, and he needs to post rage bait so the lowest common denominators can sperg out in his replies.

>>107491097
theo only posts certified gems

>>107490933
>There are straight vercel shills?
There are none.

why would red close the entire app if you're clicking on it through a window? retarded faggot

>>107490626
Really grasping at straws with yellow.

I'm a defender / enjoyer of MacOS unlike most of the poors on this board, and by the far biggest issues is the windows management. Ontop of the issues in the OP, something that I've had happen on MacOS is sometimes you just lose / can't find windows. Like it'll end up offscreen except for a few pixels on the corner of your screen somewhere. Clicking the app in your taskbard does nothing because it thinks its open offscreen.

>>107490684
>you can have apps running without necessarily having windows attached to them
also in win and loonix your point?

>>107490709
>app

>>107490626
macOS is different from Windows purely for the sake being different, rather than to make more sense or improve usability

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>>107490626
>fagOS
iihhh, brotha

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>>107490626
Absolute state of macfags.

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>>107490626
thats one of the custom window decorations you can install, the default ones are all very obvious

>>107490637
Yes

>>107491688
nigger who asked

>>107490742
>use case for minimizing?
Hide the window without closing it? Are you serious? You've never wanted a window temporarily out of the way?

>>107490637
Yeah

>>107490684
>>107490683
macos in a nutshell

>>107490626

I don’t wanna say shit, but Apple used to research UI almost religiously to understand user behavioe, and Aqua was full of things like that. That’s why they created the traffic lights, and iirc, there’s even a mention about it during the first preso of Mac OS X.

So Theo is probably wrong, like in so many things. This motherfucker shills so much for React Native and other shit tech.

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>>107490626
Based and GNOME pilled

>>107491450
>I'm a defender / enjoyer of MacOS
Imagine saying this shit unironically

>>107491450

There’s a shortcut for switching between windows and recentering them, this just reeks of skill issue.

The whole thing about macOS is that it’s way more similar to Linux than to Windows, as in it is designed to be used in combination with the keyboard instead of just the mouse and clicking through 10 windows.

>>107491816

There’s no minimising on the mac, it just attaches to the dock.

The reason windows are “weird” on the mac os is your application runs on the menu bar on the top and windows are supposed to be documents, so you’re not closing the program, you’re closing the document. As different from Windows, where your program IS the window.

>>107490626
everything in MacOS is retarded. I bought myself a mac but after about a month switched back to linux because of how backwards everything is on MacOS. And yeah, I don't understand why the close button doesn't kill the process

>>107492053
>skill issue
This is what nearly every complaint about macos boils down to

>>107490626
>4chan anon stalks twitter account of guy and is so impressed with everything he says that he posts screenshots a few times a week
bro, just dm him and offer up your bussy. you're obviously attracted to him.

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>>107490626
>red "closes the app"? nope, just the window

MacOS uses an application-based desktop metaphor rather than a window-based one. It's the whole reason the dock exists, and why it feels convoluted and retarded when Windows or Linux DEs try to add a dock, as they all use window-based metaphors.

>yellow "minimizes"

That is literally what it does, I don't understand what he's trying to say. Change the animation to scaled if the genie animation annoys you, it's a basic option.

>green "maximizes"

It used to be more similar to Windows in that it maximized the area of the given window, but now it's arguably more useful in that it makes the given application full screen. I personally prefer that. If you want to maximize a window you just drag it to the top of the screen like on every modern OS anyway, there's no other simple mouse-driven fullscreen function. Also, if you hover over the green button you get a bunch of tiling options, which is neat.

Also the labels are shown whenever you mouse over, they're hidden when you're not using them for aesthetic reasons. I swear no one who posts this shit actually uses MacOS, they just see still images and ragebait for clout.

I want an application to get the fuck away from my screen but keep running in the background

In Windows, if you close the window the app closes and if you want it to keep running you have to do extra stuff (and often it's not even possible)

In macOS, if you close the window the window closes and if you want the app close alltogether you either use the shortcut or you always have the close command in the taskbar

Apple has a coherent UX

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>>107492026
I didn't change the default button settings, but only made it so that super + q closes the window and middle click on decoration minimizes it. I don't remember the last time I've used the X
Top comfy desu

>>107492524
>want an application to get the fuck away from my screen but keep running in the background
ok. name the application.

>>107492713
Torrent client, IDE, music player, video converter, browser downloading

Have you ever used a computer?

>>107492767
that's what minimize is for retard

>>107490626
I don't give a fuck about traffic light buttons, but why are they on the left? I can't get used to this shit.

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>>107490626
iTODDLERS BTFO

>>107491450
>sometimes you just lose / can't find windows. Like it'll end up offscreen except for a few pixels on the corner of your screen somewhere.
AAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA
the funniest part is that you paid a lot of money for this stinky pile of turd and you're proud of getting robbed for the privilege

>>107491450
how the fuck are you getting a window there if you aren't moving it there? also ctrl-up arrow...

this guy is such a massive retard, i realised that when he started committing fraud
hes obviously a fan of windows, he fully subscribes to the windows philosophy of window = programme, anything else is just completely unthinkable to him

>>107492842
because white people read from left to right

>>107490626
he makes sence
macos buttons are shit
everyone always says "just use keyboard shortcuts" but that's no excuse to have useless buttons

>>107490788
Use midgetfoot

I love macOS

t. recent convert

>>107492515
>application-based desktop metaphor
what is this even supposed to mean

>>107490626
What the fuck is “Mission Control”? An Apple neologism for a basic OS function?

>>107493817
Mission Control is the most useful feature

Is there an official explanation for why the red button doesn't close the program? Does Mac have a close program button?

>>107493829
It closes the program

>>107490626
Yes if you've never seen a traffic light before in your entire worthless life these three buttons make zero sense.

>>107493841
No it does not, it closes the window.
>>107493829
close it from the dock, the menu bar, or cmd+q. The controls on the window are, and this may shock you, for the window, of which there may be several.

>>107493882
>your entire worthless life
How can someone get so incredibly mad over an imageboard post?

>>107493829
because apple doesn't believe in quitting apps. it's the same with iphones

>>107493817
pretty much GNOME overview

>>107493931
No need to close programs or shut down your OS, it's great.

>>107490626
For retards it makes no sense, all retards should look into NSDocument

>>107493789
MacOS does some retarded shit but it's rock stable and performance. Literally Unix's Chad son

>>107491608
welcome to the last 15 years. everybody knows what you're talking about when you say app. we don't need to see that you know how to spell application.

>>107493943
Crazy how even the retards at GNOME managed to give it a better name

>>107492011
>using a computer
>ui designers assume you're too retarded to understand regular close, maximize, minimize buttons
the absolute state of apple

>>107494054
this is just because it's built on bsd and mach. you can have rock stable and performance with any bsd or linux, mac does nothing special and provides a toddler's ui on top of that

>>107494177
intermediate and advandced users learn the keyboard shortcuts. that's how it has always been.

>>107490637
this.
The fact that so many applications these days show these stupid buttons in their screenshots actually infuriates me. Even Microsoft products contain that shit. WHY? If I wanted to see this horrible, disgusting design, I'd probably use some Apple shit

>>107492918
>getting robbed for the privilege
>poop analogy
saaaaaaaar

>>107490626
literally who and why should I care

>>107490626
mac has always had the worst, most garbage broken UI i have no idea why anyone acts like it's good it's legitimately insane. I've been forced to use them for work at some places & i'd see multiple people where their desktop is literally just a STACK of icons. Like 300 icons on top of eachother. Why the fuck is that even possible? Not only that but the screenshot function by default puts your screenshot on the desktop.
When I use them I basically never use the desktop so I don't look at it. After working at a place for a while my desktop was literally covered in overlapping screenshot items. that's the DEFAULT functionality. It's the most deranged fucking shit ever.
The file browser is garbage, if you have multiple monitors it will cut off monitors so you can't move them and "hide" them to look cool and there is no way to get it back without resetting your computer. It's GARBAGE and always has been. IOS just as much as desktop.
The ability for the marketing to convince people they have "good ui" or something is really depressing.

>>107492087
Wait are you telling me macacos applications can't draw their own windows and have to rely on draw calls to the compositor?

>>107492767
Most of those are more suited for services which macos supports very well. The only use-case as I see it is bulky creative programs like adobe suite, ide's, cad software etc. which macos is very much suited for. Windows is sort of a mixed bad in it's implementation and linux tty would be the other extremum

>>107490855
Theo de Raat

>>107490626
>These buttons make no sense, let's remove them from all desktop environments
>All because macos has bad UX
Even on macos these are still useful and do what you want from them, this nigger is such a retard, with the ffmpeg drama and trying to cancel lunduke, this nigger is on a path to becoming a lolcow or something.

>>107494716
"advanced" users using keyboard shortcuts should prefer better built-in key binding options and saner window management out of the box. there's no point in putting up with being treated like a baby by overpriced tech lol

>>107490626
nobody who knows how to use a computer uses those buttons

>>107490626
>red does't close the program
What? What shitshow is this OS? Who thought this was a good idea?

You're right, on Mac those should control the speed of my teledildonic sphincter seeking hammer fist drilldo.

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>>107496534
My gnome only has exit button and I always Alt-F4.
Maximise? Super+/\
Unmaximise? Super+\/
Send to right corner? Super+>
Send to left corner? Super+<
Hide? Super+H
Send to my top monitor? Super+Shift+/\
Send to my bottom monitor? Super+Shift+\/

I honestly don't know how people use DE with a decent support for shortcuts, like the ones that gnome have.
https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/KeyboardShortcuts

>>107496670
based

>>107490637
fpbp

>>107496670
ai slop

>>107490626
Oh Theo what seems to be the problem

>>107490637
Yes. It makes sense when running OS X

>>107490773
cmd + w

>>107496670
problem is that gnome is pretty much a keyboard DE. or it's great if you love a keyboard oriented DE but for those that don't...