arch shitters need to be ridiculed
anyone who doesn't rtfm should be called a trannie.

total linux shitter death
this is an unfriendly thread.

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>>107498533
Nice pic, you can actually get a pretty similar setup with MATE. Anyway, I'm using Artix, but it seems to be slower to package yt-dlp compared to regular Arch (2025.11.12-2 vs 2025.12.08-1 respectively). I actually have the Arch repos available, is there a way to make pacman use that instead but only for yt-dlp? I already use it for yt-dlp-ejs anyway, since this one package isn't available by default on Artix.

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>server runs lighttpd and unbound (web and DNS)
>has certificates from Let's Encrypt
>lighttpd and unbound use those certificates for HTTPS and DNS-over-TLS
>certbot is timed to run monthly
>after some months services get errors because failed certificates or something
>log into server
>restart certbot and get confused because nothing gets renewed
>after some time figure to restart lighttpd and unbound
>works
Every time I get confused the same and do the same stupid shit. Why can't the services reload the cert or something? What's the correct move to automate it all?

I'm installing Bazzite onto a PC
It tells me to select a drive to install to, I have a 2nd drive with D: partition and 130GB "Unallocated"
I want Bazzite to use the Unallocated space

I'm not sure if the "Automatic Allocation" button will wipe the whole drive or just install onto the Unallocated space...

>>107499240
Before you proceed, take a backup of your entire disk. I'm serious. Just do it faggot. You will want to kill yourself if you fuck up (and you probably will). Just back up everything so you can recover from your mistakes.

Any way of using external mpv on Jellyfin mpv Shim? On Windows I just need to change a false to true in the config and tell it where the exe is, on Linux I have no idea how to tell it to use the flatpak

>>107499165
Use a renewal or deploy hook in your cert or command. Or you can just manually compare changes yourself and reload the server if the cert is updated on disk (new hash/checksum doesn't match the old one)

>>107500432
Can you not just make a script that runs the Flatpak and then do the same (tell it wher the "executable" - scripts are executables too - is)?

>>107498655
Just install from the Aur. There's no reason not to use yt-dlp-git because it moves so fast that fixed releases make zero sense.

>>107498533
> $ apropos %something%
Alternatively: man -k %something%

>>107499300
Veeam good?

Using arch & gnome w/ wayland my second monitor is hard locked to 60hz refresh rate. On my windows partition its 144hz as it should be. I've tried changing the cable and setting
video=HDMI-A-2:1920x1080@144 in the bootloader entry. My nvidia driver version is 580.105.08.
Anyone have any thoughts on how I can unlock the refresh rate?

>>107501212
Gnome does gnome things, do it the gnome way. Or use something that isn't shit.

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Does anyone know why when I use pybind11 to put python bindings on my C++ files it just werkz on Ubuntu but on Windows I get compiler errors saying that I don't have dlls that I definitely have?
I'm not sure this is a GNU/Linux question exactly but I don't know where else to ask and it doesn't seem like a good topic for a thread.

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>>107501212
You don't need more than 60Hz
You don't need more than 1 monitor

how do ttys work?
are they awalys running?
if i switch to one to do something then i return to the main one, can something fuck up on the main tty?

>>107501306
You do need those things
You don't need NVIDIA

>>107501338
>how do ttys work?
Via a process like Agetty or Systemd-getty
>>107501338
>are they awalys running?
No, they're only running if the getty process is running. In Systemd's case it has a special target that starts the TTY when you switch to it if it's not already running.

>>107501434
https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/agetty.8.html
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-getty-generator.html

Switched to Cachy yesterday
It's pretty good, even better than Opensuse Tumbleweed I dare say

>>107501527
Really it's just handheld install Arch with a custom kernel focused on x86_64-v3/4/5.

>>107501571
Which makes it good, yes. Has all the features Tumbleweed has, but none of the drawbacks like external codec repo going out of sync every so often.

>>107501425
Hello I am poor and can't switch away from NVIDIA on a whim but want to escape Windows, should I just go fuck myself then?

>>107501679
No, Linux won't make your GT 710 run any better. Yes, consider Sudoku.

>>107501679
i ended up saving to switch it will be quicker than waiting on them to fix issues

>>107501687
Isn't this the friendly linux thread :)???!?!?

>>107501969
Yes, but it's the truth though. If you're poor and use NVIDIA then the card is shit, nothing you can do about it. If it's a decent card then you're poor because you spent all your money on it and that just makes you stupid but there's at least a chance that you could sell that card and buy an AMD one instead.

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Why do you use the AUR instead of the Chaotic-AUR?

>>107502784
You can apply your own build optimisations (CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS) in makepkg.conf when you build them yourself. The binaries from Chaotic AUR are generic.

>>107502784
>using aur
enjoy your broken system

i fucking forgot to install terminal again

>>107502901
Easy enough to just install it with winget

people usually say how bad nvidia drives for linux are but how about amd? where do i get them from, and how do i install? i have an old gpu.

>>107502936
>how about amd?
I'm not going to say they're perfect, but they're pretty damn good.
>Where do I get them from?
You already have them. They come with Linux. You just need the Mesa userspace graphics portion, which again already comes with your distro.
>Just plug and play.

I want to try a different distro and potentially migrate to it
I have a spare hard drive, can I just install the new distro on it and still be able to use my user files?

>>107502978
Yes, literally every distro installer will let you point it at an installation target (select which drive) and offer to wipe the whole thing whilst leaving your other drives untouched.

i just bought oled monitor
thought?
any tips? im using xorg

>>107502987
Thanks, I'm just scared because right now I have something that works, even if I'm not satisfied with it

>>107503277
If it supports HDR output then switch to Wayland (KDE or GNOME).

>It's the year of our lord 2024+1+1 almost
>linooox STILL doesn't have a desktop that looks functionally as good in UI or function as windows 10

Why are linux developers so bad at designing software.

>>107502936
How old? Old enough to not have Vulkan? If you have Vulkan it's just plug and play. That's the expectation on Linux, all this stuff should be built it so entities like Nvidia or Fedora (no codecs) get shit when they violate that.

>>107503479
You literally have multiple to choose from. How hard did you look?

Cinnamon and KDE Plasma being the main ones but there's also environments like XFCE or LXQt or UKUI, etc.

>>107498533
Where do you get all these ancient screenshots?

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>remove gnome-software
>resource usage at idle drops by half
Jesus christ what a slow bloated piece of shit, maybe single-handedly what makes people think gnome is heavier than it actually is.

>>107503479
all developers are bad at designing software. that's why designers exist. the problem is sometimes you have designers who think their opinions are the most objectively correct ones (GNOME designers)

>>107503560
What does gnome-software do? Why does it need to use resources all the time even when you're not using it?

>>107503539
All those desktops exist sure but they are all broken in their own unique way.

Guhnome software manager cannot even load thumbnails properly and guhnome itself can't even open apps within sub 500ms something windows does

You have KDE but its not officially supported anywhere out of the box except on fedora I guess or steamOS. And as for speed its quite slow compared to even windows 10s file manager.

So then you got xfce and cinnamon on mint but they have the same problems and are functionally ugly except xfce. But it looks outdated.

So basically nothing is good.

>>107503597
>All those desktops exist sure but they are all broken in their own unique way.
Sure, but Windows is also broken in its own unique ways.
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-finally-admits-almost-all-major-windows-11-core-features-are-broken/

That's Windows 11, granted, but Windows 10 had its issues too and 11 is what they're looking to push people to with 10 ending its support. It's a fucking disaster.

>>107503572
Bullshit, "designers" are the people who brought us "flat" style and shit like invisible scrollbars, buttons that look like labels, meaningless hieroglyphics for every single action instead of understandable text labels, etc. We were much better off before you people ruined absolutely everything. I would much rather use "badly designed" software than your "stylish" garbage

>>107503589
It's the package store GUI and it's integrated into search/launcher by default so it's always on. It also checks for updates for you by default. Whenever you go to activities and type something in like to launch a program gnome-software runs a search as well and gives you results. So if you type
>ter
Instead of just showing your terminal(s) it also has gnome-software search for terminals in the store. I don't know who would want this or why. If people want to download new packages they go to the terminal or open the store and search there, they don't need to search a slow store frontend every time they search anything on their computer.

>>107503622
I'd say Linux is way worse than windows 10 polish.

Mint comes closest with its utils but even then you still have to configure it out of the box.

Bazaar is also one of the great Linux software that hasn't been implemented.

Why hasn't anyone made a distro with it is beyond me. Discover is already essentially a flatpak installer so that's the direction linoox is going in.

>>107501969
No, this is the retarded freetard thread in which you get spammed with sub 80 iq tier advice.
Best Linux related advice: stop reading these threads and find your answers from elsewhere.

I've been using Arch/Artix for 2 years and the occasional system break lowkey tiring me out. Yes I use snapshotting, but having to rollback for system update is uh..

Which distro should I choose that doesn't break on several occasions of system updates?

I've been thinking for moving to Fedora or Debian, but I don't really like Debian's overall default system configurations.

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>install cachyos linix on laptop
>follow every guide
>install goes smoothly
>do both restarts and hard shutdowns
>everything seems to be ok
>have slow internet so leave somthing downloading
>it goes into sleep mode
>will not come out of sleep mode
>hold down power button for 8 seconds like on windows
>nothing happening
>take out charging cable
>don't have screwdriver small enough to access battery to force complete shutdown
>been 14 hours and battery still hasn't died
What did i do wrong anons, other than using a laptop? Why is the battery lasting so long? Did i brick it?

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>>107503626
it's not the designer's fault companies wanted flat design. it's companies that wanted to save money. creating skeuomorphic UI elements takes 50x longer than creating a solid monochrome square and calling it a button.
pic related. left would be half a day of work, right would be 15 minutes. we live in times where cost saving comes first.

>invisible scrollbars
if you're referring to scrollbars being overlaid over content, that practice was abandoned a long time ago, or is no longer an issue since people add padding to content. on KDE scrollbars are separated, while on GNOME they are overlaid but any non-shit app will add inner padding to content to avoid the scrollbar blocking interaction.
if you're referring to the thickness of the scrollbars, this is usually adjustable by your OS/DE.
>buttons that look like labels
you mean links not labels, right? true, some designers treat links and buttons as the same thing and I agree that it's retarded.
>meaningless hieroglyphics for every single action instead of understandable text labels
again, KDE doesn't have this issue. text comes first and icons can be toggled on or off. there's only a handful of UI elements where this isn't the case.

>you
>your
why are you being a schizo and thinking I'm the one designing your UI or even a designer in the first place?

>>107503992
>Which distro should I choose that doesn't break on several occasions of system updates?
any atomic distro. if you're looking into fedora then I guess Kinoite or Silverblue.

>>107504022

i mean if it is in sleep mode and it cannot wake up it wil ltake a while to drain the battery
doesn't sound like youve done anything that would brick it tho

windows games are now easy to run on steam IF they are steam games

but whats the easiest way to run non-steam windows games on linux

>>107504558
lutris, heroic launcher, bash script
i used to use lutris, which is fine and easy
but now im using a bash script with umu-launcher

>>107504558
Bottles. Unless you need Epic and Amazon games, in which case Heroic.

>>107504558
umu.toml in the games folder:

[umu]
prefix = "/home/username/Games/umu/umu-default"
proton = "/somewhere/GE-Proton10-25"
exe = "game.exe"

and then run:
unshare -c -n umu-run --config umu.toml

unshare disables network, to block Legitimately Acquired games from internetting

>>107504558
Proton on heroic.

Running proton is the exact same on steam as it is on heroic in function.

The only difference is steam detects what's needed for a windows game that's missing on Linux and installs that automatically in a prefix. That's why most proton window games just werk on steam with no extra work. Its almost the same as windows.


I'm pretty sure some unity games require visual c++ and I know for a fact stalker anomaly requires it and a bunch of other DLLs most notably d3dcompiler_47,43 and d3dx9, d3dx10, d3dx11 the direct x runtimes to use dxvk with dx11 and avx.

Not all pirated games need anything to run but some do.

Linux native games are a meme still proton windows build is always better.

>>107501338
https://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/

Hello anons, I'm a relatively new user (switched a year ago) and since I've been very busy this year, I don't really have the time to read about the kernel drama.
Could someone please explain to me what's the deal with Rust being used in the kernel? I've heard some people say that rewriting stuff in Rust would make the GPL licence no longer applicable to the kernel and that it would, therefore no longer be free and open. Others have said that using Rust would make the kernel safer, but memory safety is, as far as I've seen, the only argument used to advocate for Rust.

Bear in mind that my only experience with Rust is the stuff I've read in online discussions and that my browser's compilation failed because of some Rust-related error.
I do not seek to offend, just to know what's going on.

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>>107500681
It looks like the package on the AUR is also a bit outdated due to packaging issues I think, at least that's what I get by reading the comments on the package page.
>>107503560
Last time I tried Gnome (Fedora I think?) it made my fans go apeshit, I disabled file indexing and that stopped. KDE also has the same feature but it doesn't make my fans go wild.
>>107504022
Your laptop is in a coma now.
>>107503992
Artixfag here, I've been using it for a few years now and never had any real problems with it. I'm just curious what kind of breakage have you experienced?

>>107505360
Rust coders have some bad habits that make them annoying. They rewrite existing projects in Rust without any obvious need other than Rust's memory safety. These projects are often in a buggy state or otherwise have issues, but tend to get pushed into production anyway. They also have a history of quitting after they've forced their way into something and forced people to use it. This leaves a lot of people annoyed by their antics. A lot of them end up being trannies with disturbing fetishes.

i got ubuntu to run on live thumb drive so i can try it out
i installed steam, and it went great, just clicked install and that's it
now i want to add a windows game to steam, so i can run it in linux. i click on "add non steam game", browse my hard drive and click on "select" and nothing happens.
so i tried to add my steam folder from my hdd which also has steam installed (in windows), and nothing happpens there either.
no error, no info on what's happening, nothing. what am i doing wrong?

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Is there some Linux Distro/drivers that allows 100% support for the X380 Yoga, its tablet mode, and the pen? 2. Are there some good application for note-taking and a markdown editor like Notion for example? 3. If there are some Uni/College student that uses this device or similar with Linux, what are your experience?

>>107505606
right, i wanted to install a package similar to the task manager, so i went to the app center, found it, clicked on install, it said "installing", then after 5 minutes it showed the install button again. clicked it, nothing happened. turned the app center off and now i can't open it back up again
not a great start so far

>>107505676
i think your issues are because you're trying to run the live thumb drive. install it somewhere.

>>107505494
Yeah, I've seen the tranny part online, but there are also some relatively normal devs, like the Turkish guy who maintains Arch's repositories (Orhun Parmaksız). Orhun seems chill. The annoying devs seem to be mostly found on Reddit.

I'm not much of a programmer, even though I found it kinda fun as a kid. Got sick of being called a nerd, so I gave up on it until a couple of months ago. After so many years have passed, I've forgotten everything I used to know, so I needed to start from the beginning again.
For the last few months, I've been trying to learn Python because I heard it's supposed to be easy, but I found myself drawn to C. C is everywhere, that much I know, so I got interested. I wrote a ridiculously simple little program in C yesterday and watching it run properly instantly made my day better. There's not much time for me to try writing programs, so even the little successes make me very happy.
I've also poked around with bash for a bit out of necessity and I've found it to be a bit strange to use, but acceptable. The scripts run well, so there's not much to complain about.

That being said, I've also heard other things about Rust online.
Apparently, it compiles slowly, which my experience with compiling a browser by accident proves. I also heard that it's a very restrictive language, that it doesn't allow you to do some things that C would let you do. I'm not sure how restrictions would benefit a kernel, but I'm not someone who writes them for fun.

>>107505606
>>107505676
okay nevermind, looks like the thumb drive ran out of space and it's causing stuff to flip, pebcak, just ignore these posts

>>107504022
Your fault for using a meme distro

>>107505694
Well, it's impossible to explain the Rust situation without mentioning trannies because it's the lowest hanging fruit for those against Rust.

>>107504022
You've failed basic tech support. If you want help you kinda need to provide details like WHICH laptop.

>>107504046
>pic related. left would be half a day of work, right would be 15 minutes. we live in times where cost saving comes first

WHY DON'T THEY JUST KEEP USING THE OLD BUTTONS THAT THEY ALREADY PAID FOR THEN???
Literally why didn't windows 7 get at LEAST 2 more service packs? In an alternate timeline I don't see why they couldn't have just not made windows 8 and kept supporting 7 for another 5-10 years and making big service pack updates that would give it the capability to use DX12 and any other meaningful improvements, if any, made since then.

>>107505733
From what I've seen online, the trans devs are very forceful in their demands. The promise of freedom made me fall in love with Linux, so their authoritarian approach seems inappropriate to me.
But as I said before, I'm not much of a programmer, let alone a contributor. Maybe some day, if I find the time... A man can dream.

>>107505916
I have no problem exploiting minorities for free work. I only have a problem if the software quality goes down, they drive off other contributors for stupid reasons, or they create abandonware.

xmonad or awesomewm?

>>107505980
>drive off other contributors
Yeah, that's one of the main reasons I would be afraid to contribute, that is, if I had the skills to do so. Almost every larger project seems to attract people that want to push identity politics into software. I don't really like that because software is, you know, software. The only debate that seems appropriate here is between free and open or proprietary software, and if you're contributing to Linux, you're more likely to fall onto the free and open side of the fence.

I am thankful that some distros are still relatively untouched by this political blight. Arch's official forums and site seem safe for now - the topics on the forum are mostly technical in nature. I hope it will remain that way.
That being said, I am aware that Arch is very popular on Reddit, especially with trans users, so much so that there are memes poking fun of the fact.

Does

HISTCONTROL=ignoredups

go in .bash_profile or .bashrc?

>>107506103
do you like rewriting the lua code of your wm to do what should be simple configuration options? If no, avoid awesomewm.
Don't know shit about xmonad, can't comment.

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Linux Mint stops working after some idle hours with Brave or Firefox (all fresh install) open on Youtube page. It also says that it requires restart on the Youtube player, and only comes back after full restart.
Is there a fix for this? I can't find a solution that works in the forums.
I need a PC that handles being idle for hours but ready for when elderly people comes to use Youtube.

>>107505360
C boomers are bad coders and they don't like the fact that zoomers and millennials using Rust can produce infinitely more maintainable and secure code.

>>107504469
>>107505728
>>107505392
>>107505756
Update on the laptop if anyone cares. Came out the shitter and my cat was sitting on it and somehow made it actually turn off. I turned it on and it was on 81% battery still. Everything is working good now.

>>107506733
Cats are better tech support than /g/.

>>107506380
.bashrc
.profile (and alts) is for login shells, basically the process you start when you log in. You should put stuff there that you want to apply everywhere

>>107506733
woah its like that house episode

can i setup x stuff (like xset xinput) in my startx config? or do i have to setup it up after i start my window manager?

okay, i mmanaged to make steam work again, but now when i add a non-steam game (from my original hard drive), it doesn't work - the button changes to "running" for a second, then switches back to "play"
i read that the other drive being a NTFS drive might be the problem, so i copied a game onto the ubuntu desktop (which i presume copies it into a partition that the ubuntu install is on), and then added that to steam, but it sstill doesn't work
if anyone has any ideas, i'd be grateful

>>107506835
>you want to apply everywhere
Meaning what? How does this differ from .bashrc?
I saw someone say PATH goes in .bash_profile

>>107506943
A good rule of thumb is that if you want to export the variable you usually want to put it in .profile so that it will apply to everything in your session
For example if you put PATH in .bashrc only Bash can see it. There are other shells too and they might not read .bashrc

>>107507025
But .bash_profile still applies?

>>107507128
Yes, and it will actually override .profile if you have both

>>107506470
how long is "some hours"? is it just the browser updating versions? the image you attached doesn't seem to match your description.
>>107506864
it doesn't have to be after starting the WM, but how you're starting X and the WM may matter.
>>107506891
run steam from the cli and look at the output when you try to run the game.
>>107506943
if i remember right, .bashrc is what reads .bash_profile. it doesn't really matter. .profile is a different thing.

>>107507145
>if i remember right, .bashrc is what reads .bash_profile. it doesn't really matter. .profile is a different thing.
i'm wrong on that. bad memory.

>>107507139
>>107507145
Hm. It looks like my .bash_profile actually sources my .bash_rc. Can that be right?

>>107507235
Yeah, I've seen distros do stuff like that.

>>107505846
Because people got newer display tech with higher resolution which necessitated doing everything all over again and in multiple different resolutions.

High resolution displays killed complex UI designs. That's when people started transitioning to much simpler scalable SVG based designs that both take up less space on disk and also scale better.

>>107507310
but SVG became a dumping ground of bullshit and unnecessary complexity leading to stupidity like:
https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2025-28010

>>107507346
Blame Adobe for that. Nobody says it's perfect but it's what we've got.

>>107507370
it's not shocking. they did the same shit to pdf.

>>107498533
On gentoo, i wasnt on for 2 months on my pc, wanted to update all packages, but it keeps failing on openssl

* ERROR: dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4::gentoo failed (install phase):
* (no error message)
*
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 136: Called src_install
* environment, line 2508: Called multilib-minimal_src_install
* environment, line 1641: Called multilib_foreach_abi 'multilib-minimal_abi_src_install'
* environment, line 1871: Called multibuild_foreach_variant '_multilib_multibuild_wrapper' 'multilib-minimal_abi_src_install'
* environment, line 1553: Called _multibuild_run '_multilib_multibuild_wrapper' 'multilib-minimal_abi_src_install'
* environment, line 1551: Called _multilib_multibuild_wrapper 'multilib-minimal_abi_src_install'
* the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv '=dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4::gentoo'`.
* The complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4/temp/environment'.
* Working directory: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4/work/openssl-3.5.4-abi_x86_64.amd64'
* S: '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4/work/openssl-3.5.4'

* GNU info directory index is up-to-date.

* IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating.
* See the CONFIGURATION FILES and CONFIGURATION FILES UPDATE TOOLS
* sections of the emerge man page to learn how to update config files.

* IMPORTANT: 27 news items need reading for repository 'gentoo'.
* Use eselect news read to view new items.

* After world updates, it is important to remove obsolete packages with
* emerge --depclean. Refer to `man emerge` for more information.

emerge info output dpaste.com/8QNRAZG66
emerge pqv output dpaste.com/6L95DE2M9

PLS HALP, also how do even go on about these problems urself? where should i look on the error messages i have trouble understanding the problems like these rn

>>107507387
Post the complete build log. This tells you nothing.

>>107507406
>>107507387
>/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4/temp/build.log
That's where any errors will be.

$ sudo emerge -q1 wgetpaste
$ sudo wgetpaste /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/openssl-3.5.4/temp/build.log

Can I stick all my kernel build files on a tmpfs? It's writing like 30 gigabytes of shit every time I rebuild it.

>>107507486
If you have enough RAM (30+ GB), then sure. If you Swap (for example on-disk) then tmpfs can spill over into that though so it uses like a hybrid of RAM + disk instead of everything being on the disk.

Your drive probably has a write endurance rating of multiple terabytes though. Worrying about a meagre 30GB is stupid.

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>>107507145
I need the PC to be idle 24/7. The crashes happens every 3 hours idle. It's a PC for old people play Youtube.
It was working on Windows 10, but the last update caused some audio issues and the audio drivers are blocked (won't allow two outputs at the same time, we needed to play Youtube louder).
So I've decided to use Linux Mint because it works on both my main PC and notebook, and allows simultaneous audio output on pipewire (main PC) and pulseaudio (notebook).
I tested the main installation method on Brave site, then the Brave flatpak and then native Firefox.
I would like to use Brave because they keep their ublock updated and more compatible than the Firefox extension.
The github post bellow describes how it crashes, but in my case it only crashes if nothing is playing, the pc is not used for anything else, I deactivated the sleep mode, I left the screensaver and turns the monitor off in 1 hourr:
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/50959

This doesn't happen on my main PC nor my notebook.

Sorry for that memepic

>>107507527
I have 128 GB 8 channel DDR5, the NVMe drive is slow. 30 GB each time I change a flag and rebuild is a shitload.

>>107507572
Then definitely. That's more than enough. Just run:

du -h /path/to/kernel-source

after you've built the kernel and that's how big your tmpfs needs to be (except make it bigger because you'll want a ceiling).

>>107507581
Do I just stick it on the tmpfs or can I specify that all the temporary files and build artifacts go into /tmp somehow? I can just keep it in /tmp, but then I need to remember to copy the config out whenever I'm done.

>>107507486
I've done this without any problems.
>>107507560
I'd run the browser from a terminal prompt and see if there's any output there when it crashes. Also check dmesg and journalctl. It'll be a lot easier if it's logging an error somewhere.

>>107507617
You have to have the entire sources on /tmp, yes. You could always symlink ./.config to somewhere writable though.

>>107507418
>>107507406
I wanted to do that brothers. ai had to find a pastebin that allows that many lines of code sorry here it is. thanks for looking into it.

0x0.st/KC-e.log

>>107507678
Well there's the issue:
>Error: too many arguments: argc (142) >= MAX_ARGS (128)

It looks like it's trying to install too many files in one go.

>>107507704
I didnt use my system for a few months, updated @world set, and this came. i tried to only recompile openssl because i saw that line but still is not working. How do i fix this?

what arguments are meant?

>>107507758
Looks like it only recently got stabilised a month ago. Does 3.4.3 build and install for you?

$ sudo emerge -v1u "~dev-libs/openssl-3.4.3"

If so then you may consider masking 3.5.4 for now in /etc/portage/package.mask. Also file a bug on bugs.gentoo.org because something more complex is clearly going on here.

It could be that if you can build 3.4.3 and update the rest of @world then you can drop the mask afterwards.

Also is Portage up-to-date?

$ sudo emerge -v1u sys-apps/portage

>>107507787
>>107507758
Also since this seems to be using perl and make then it may be wise to make sure that they're up-to-date first too.

>>107500630
I honestly have no idea, started using linux just a couple days ago and many things are still obscure to me

>>107507787
>>107507829
so i recompiled perl and make and portage first, then masked the newer openssl and tried the older version and it still fails to compile. imma open a bug then i guess. this is fucking annoying.

i love gentoo and cant go back to other distros, but i actually wanted to continue install other shit now i first gotta fix this portage shit.

heres the build log of the 3.4.3 version..

http://0x0.st/KCoz.log

>>107508073
Only other thing I can suggest is trying to update all of @system. I really don't know why MAX_ARGS is being reached. Something very weird is going on somewhere.

>>107506891
>i read that the other drive being a NTFS drive might be the problem
Yes, Steam on Linux doesn't work with NTFS partitions.

>>107507560
>Brave crashes when disk writes of two main brave processes (monitored via System Monitor) exceedes about 4 GB
>This doesn't happen on my main PC nor my notebook.
In that case it could be failing hardware. Use MemTest86 to check if your RAM is corrupted (will take a few hours). Then check your internal drive for bad blocks and see if there's any error logs related to your browser trying to access bad blocks.
In any case, you can try disabling browser disk cache and see if that helps. On Firefox you can set "browser.cache.disk.enable = false", on Brave I believe there is a Chrome flag similar to this.

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>>107488400
>>107496028

I looked up ground loops and that does seem like a possible cause for the problem. Maybe the GPU is noticing a discrepancy between the power its getting from the PCIe slot coming from the computers internal power supply and the 6pin+8pin being supplied by the external PSU.

I could also see it being a driver issue. Pic related is the driver I am currently using. There's an ubuntu 20.04 datacenter version driver on nvidia's website which is at version 460 but maybe that would work better with the tesla card since it IS intended to be used in a datacenter. More specifically, I can see the issue being driver related especially because I'm using the GT 730 along with it, so maybe the driver manager prioritized compatibility with that card over the Tesla? Or just having a driver that doesn't match both cards just creates issues in general?
Should I try installing a different driver direct from nvidia? It's almost certainly going to break my x server again, but then again just about ANY change I make does that.

>>107503622
>Sure, but Windows is also broken in its own unique ways.
That's just cope. Windows just works whereas Linux doesn't

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>>107503545
old ftp servers, blogs, stuff I scraped with archive.org, linux.org.ru

>>107508108
i masked it but when emerging it selects the 3.5.4(same with the 3.4.3 one) anyways with an upgrade sign and [3.4.2] next to it?
could that be the problem? why is it upgrading to an even older version? or trying to upgrade rather

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MX Linux XFCE laptop user of around 5 years here.
I'm finishing up building a fairly powerful desktop PC. I'm gonna put MX on it, but can't decide on the environment. Which would you recommend, XFCE or KDE?

>>107503622
I think windows 10 is just about ready to launch in it's current state, and if they REALLY pushed hard, they might even get it to the point where it's a genuinely good system in another year or so.

Can certain ppufeaturemask flags make the GPU driver restart itself and show small artifacts?
Since I'm used to it from years ago, I decided on my new AMD GPU to enable overclocking settings through LACT (0xfff7ffff) and I started noticing crashes when opening applications that need opencl and stuff that made me fear this GPU was faulty. I tested it on wangblows, no problems at all. I tested it with 0xfffd3fff and so far, no crashes at all.

>>107508689
You probably didn't mask it properly. If it were masked then Portage would not allow it to be used, not that it matters if you're having the same issue building older versions then the problem likely isn't OpenSSL.

As for the number in brackets, that's fine. That's telling you the version you currently have installed and are upgrading from.

>>107508715
KDE isn't made for stable distros. Stay with Xfce.

>>107508585
Except it doesn't just work. If you read the article I linked you'd know that. There's no cope about Microsoft themselves openly admitting that core features of the operating system are plain broken.

>>107508771
Too late. They already deprecated it for unstable Windows 11.

>>107508715
>environment
No. OPENBOX is the WAY.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=125&v=N_X7clyPE5Q&feature=youtu.be
Brodie, NO! You can't just say that!

>>107508585
>Windows just works
lmao. I've had more uncorrectable problems with windows than I've had with linux.

Buddy, nothing "just works". We live in a complicated world full of complicated things and they are all designed and built by complicated people living complicated lives and/or working for complicated companies.

Microsoft doesn't have to make great software anymore because for the vast majority of their customer base, there is no perceived alternative to windows. And because they don't HAVE to, they don't. Linux developers are mostly working for free and even if they aren't, they still don't have the resources to pour into making a truly great OS the way microsoft does.

Making something that is massively better than anything else already in existence takes time and knowledge and money and passion and dedication and support that no single individual or group has at the moment.

>>107508896
You can let devs know that they are FAGGOTS that you HATE regardless of whether it will or won't convince them to change course. But, maybe if they get told it enough then *that* will convince them to either change course, or leave the projects that they are rekting with their faggotry.

LENNART POOTERING is a FAGGOT, btw. There's never any good reason not to include that little reminder. A lot of these other devs are like nanolennarts.

>>107508950
Lennart Poettering _is_ a faggot, but that isn't going to ever make him change course. He's not going to wake up one day and go, "You know what? That Systemd thing I made was a terrible mistake. Let's nuke it!"

anyone here use sioyek for reading documents?
i installed it yesterday and am wondering if i should bother

>>107504046
Thank you for the suggestion

>>107505392
The most recent is some of my lib is broken, I have to install and overwrite all the files. Some previous incident is something like version mismatch between programs and their dependencies and all.

How frequent do you do system upgrade and how do you hanlde something like snapshot-ing else?

>>107508853
before i fuck it up more, should i try AI's approach?

i dont like ai alot, especially not from big tech but this does sound like somethign?
first tried increasing with ulimit -s higher mb
but didnt work either.

https://dpaste.com/EH58Q6YG3

Does anyone use Nobara? How is it for updates?
I really like Bazzite, but it currently has a problem with MSI, and it's been over a month.

>>107508981
Like I said though, you can let them know that they are FAGGOTS regardless. Saying LENNART POOTERING is a FAGGOT is its own reward and the potential that it will not change the course of the future is no reason to *ever* stop saying it. My hope is that in the year 12000 there will still be someone saying it.

>>107498533
Moving to Japan in April so I picked up a Japanese ThinkPad X220 and installed EndeavourOS. I'm mainly using it for Japanese study/immersion. It's a comfy little machine and I like it!

Anyone here a Famitracker user? Should I use the AUR's binaries or just run the Window's one through Wine?

What do you think of GrapheneOS's assessment of Debian?

>They typically go years without shipping important patches unless a CVE is assigned, which it often isn't. If a CVE assigned, it might be shipped quickly but often isn't. They're also notorious for introducing downstream security vulnerabilities, far beyond the most well known examples like the Debian weak key issue.

>No, Debian has a massive amount of people who are trusted with nearly zero vetting or oversight. Many have demonstrated they're highly untrustworthy. Many have actively abused their positions. Debian trusts not only the upstream developers but also this large group of additional people, who are much less trustworthy overall than the upstream open source developers based on their actions and statements. Flatpak does not provide a proper app sandbox or permission model but it's at least substantial progress towards it.

>Debian adds an extremely large number of people, many of whom have demonstrated themselves to be highly unethical and untrustworthy. They're not just writing source code since what they write is trusted to obtain and build the packages. Not doing the builds themselves doesn't mean they can't include and ship binaries themselves. Many Debian packagers participating in things like stalking and harassment heavily draws into question trusting the software. It is a much different situation than most community or corporate projects. It's a huge number of people who are trusted and there's nearly nothing done to make sure that group of people is trustworthy or to address people demonstrating they're untrustworthy.

>Debian has a much worse track when it comes to updates and introducing downstream vulnerabilities than most other mainstream Linux distributions.

>>107509635
>Debian's poor security largely comes from the very poor updates and immense amount of trusted packagers. It's a complete disaster in terms of getting privacy/security patches and supply chain security. There are an extremely large number of people who are highly trusted. Many of those people have extremely untrustworthy behavior and actively do things which are very problematic with their power. There are endless political battles internally but people aren't really pushed out because of it, so they stay around holding grudges and even actively trying to sabotage other work. Look into how many people are trusted and the endless internal turmoil about things like systemd.

>>107509635
>>107509650
It seems somewhat on-point from the excerpts you've posted. But it doesn't really come up with a solution to the issue.

>>107506470
maybe you should try downloading avisynth

>>107509687
Seeing as it's GrapheneOS the recommended solution is probably to use GrapheneOS.

>>107509511
I fucked around with the AUR package for a while, it just works

>>107509511
I'd just use it with wine. Using a package manager for a wine app is unnecessary complexity

>>107509635
It's weird that he's conflating privacy and security (Debian is good for privacy), but it's true that Debian doesn't backport every security patch.

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>>107507634
>>107508162
I tried to check the dmesg and journalctl, the red letters that repeats on every crash are like these (pic).
Also, I ran firefox through terminal (I guess) and there was the following error (pic) when it crashed and I closed it.
I could reproduce the same error behavior on firefox when I tried to change the sound settings to the "combined output".
I suspect that the shady old commands to combine streams are the cause for the problem on firefox.

I followed the advice by disabling the disk cache on firefox, now the PC is idle again and I'm going to check it out in a few hours. Besides that I reinstalled the sound software too.
I couldn't run the MemTest86 today, I'll try next day if the problem persist.

Thank you for the help!

>>107509688
Lol that was just a silly error I got while trying to run webm for retards

why does it look like no one uses gentoo anymore? is it not a good option? i remember linux talk from some years ago and it seemed like it was almost as talked about as arch, is it just a meme thing that no one actually used? I genuinely don't know I don't really follow linux stuff just an observation I was curious about

>>107510298
Gentoo is a great option if you want to actually indulge in USE flags/make.conf tweaking and have a CPU fast enough that running "sudo emerge -avuDN @world" isn't going to take half a day to complete.

>>107510298
>is it just a meme thing that no one actually used?
Correct. Nobody wants to spend 24 hours compiling the latest Firefox update.

>>107510298
I've been using it for five years, and yes I initially installed it because anons were meming about it

>>107510358
also it's easy to carry patches. Plus partial upgrades and downgrades work

>>107510371
FF builds in two hours and change on a Skylake i5

>>107509635
Other than pointlessly impugning the character of maintainers he's just saying what anyone with familiarity and any sense has known about Debian for a long time.

>>107509687
There is no solution. The entire structure is fucked. It's an engagement farm for maintainers with no actual use as an OS.

use case for gf

>>107510298
Idk it's always seemed niche to me and it doesn't seem any more or less popular than it's always been as a niche distro.

>>107510383
>in two hours
vs a 10 second download of the binaries. And that's just Firefox; updating ALL your packages takes forever.

>>107510472
so? set the niceness in make.conf and let it run in the background. or start it when you're going to go do something else anyway. it's a non-issue

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our girl(male) put out a new video

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>felling like using cinnamon
>installs it on my distro's repository
>switch the session to cinnamon
>boot up with a green screen for 5 seconds
>green screen stops
>only a black screen now
>cursor appears
>can't do shit other than moving the cursor around
>had to use the tty to go reboot my system
>i switch back to my previous desktop environment session
What do I do anons? I'm on an intel with integrated graphics btw.

>>107510984
sorry for the typos,i don't sleep very well

>>107510984
>>only a black screen now
>>cursor appears
>>can't do shit other than moving the cursor around
I get this in xfce every time my system wakes from suspend.

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on Debian do you guys use snaps and flatpaks if you want newer versions of programs? Is it possible to have multiple versions of the same program installed with snap, apt, and flatpaks?

>>107511050
about the*
fuck.

>>107511090
>on Debian do you guys use snaps and flatpaks
NO
>if you want newer versions of programs?
NO

There would have to be a very specific USE CASE for me to *need* muh newer programs. The versions I have do everything I need and if I have a need that they won't do then that means I need another program that does whatever. In the general sense I ADVOCATE FOR GETTING OUT OF THE MUH NEWER MINDSET barring any very specific actual need for critical tasks (for example if you use the Debian blend for medical professionals or some such).

>>107511090
>on Debian do you guys use snaps and flatpaks if you want newer versions of programs?
i use flatpaks and nix
>Is it possible to have multiple versions of the same program installed with snap, apt, and flatpaks?
yes flatpak is just a cntainer format. you can also have different versions of a flatpak app installed. ie: firefox stable and firefox nightly.
you might need to call the specific path of the app if you want the app (/bin/firefox) or the actual flatpak name(org.mozilla.firefox) because of $PATH variables.

>>107509744
>>107509775
ty

You guys ever wake up one day and realize you hate computers? That happened today for me. I'm posting here because I realized it while staring at KDE Plasma (not KDE's fault, just the trigger).

i think my laptops hardware is just buggy on linux
always had problems restoring the backlight and the hardware mouse cursor is always buggy

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>>107511443
>linux

>>107500604
So basically I should just do a script that
>renews certificate
>restarts services (unless renew failed)
Right? As currently the thing simply
>renews certificate
>>107511443
Typical.
>>107510371
>setting up a new Gentoo installation on an Intel Skylake laptop
>add Gnome, Libreoffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and everything you could think of in your World-file
>set up USE flags and stuff
>fire Emerge up
That actually took nearly 24 hours if I recall correctly. Bear in mind Firefox is super small compared to any Chrome fork.
But luckily I work at McDonald's now and could afford a 32-thread CPU for my Gentoo hobby.

is a 9100 pro worth it over a 990 pro for a Gentoo user?

>>107512116
>9100 pro
i use 6 dollar 500gb m2 sata SSD's.

>>107512164
>6 dollar 500gb m2 sata SSD's
where the FUCK do you get those? I want 100 of them

>>107512214
ali had em for a while last year, probably gone up a lot. i'm sitting on a mount of optane 64gb m2 sata's that i'm never gonna use i got for cheap.

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Does anyone have any experience running two different desktop environments and two display servers on the same system and switching between them using a display manager? Is it even possible without causing major conflicts?

Currently, I'm using Plasma and Wayland on my Arch, and for playing games and browsing the internet it works just fine, but I'm also developing some Linux desktop applications and Wayland is causing a lot of bugs with GTK. So I wanted a second set of DS and DE combo like X11 and Gnome or Xfce just to help me debug these issues. I do have a laptop with X11 and Gnome that I sometimes use and I also dual boot with Mint, but having everything on a single machine and system would be a lot easier and faster for debugging the GUI issues.

>>107512287
$6.60 for 16gb, ~$80 for 64gb

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>>107512368
Actually is was closer to 20 for a 500gb last year. Dunno why I thought 6

>>107512387
Whoops that was nvme. It's somewhere in my history...

which is your favorite apt available game? Tetris, dcss, minesweeper?

>>107512692
Tough call between xboard and ace-of-penguins.

I just had KDE >krash for the first time since I've started using it two months ago. I survived, I just reset the pc

>>107512325
Switching between an X11 and Wayland DE isn't hard at all because the display manager just werks when choosing sessions. Have KDE as your main session and Wayland DE while having Xfce or MATE as your GTK X11 DE.

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>>107511090
flatpak bazaar. Just werks. I use steam and heroic flatpak because they have the latest mesa drivers and its standardized in a way. I know that it will be the same app every time

How do you determine what distro is best for your use cases?

>>107513378
> check if you need long term support or the freshest packages
LTS can last like 10 years before you need to upgrade, rolling release upgrades daily/weekly
If you need to write software with new projects that update daily you might like a rolling release. If you don't need fresh shit and just are a regular developer/user LTS is really nice -- it doesn't usually break.
> which distro to use?
I am not sure, they're all really similar. You could try Ubuntu or Debian and if you need more specialized stuff you'll learn it while using them and can switch to a niche flavor.

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What distro goes into each of these 9 boxes?

Whats the best linux for for playing new and old vidyas? I always see people having to do shitty workaround to get things going, but does shit just werk now?

>apparently cant even play BF6 on linux because of anticheat fucking up on linux? wtf

/v/ is telling me to use Mint Cinnamon, but then I see /g/ saying its otudated as fuck?

>>107509088
>Does anyone use Nobara? How is it for updates?
Pretty unstable when performing major version updates.
>MSI
I assume you're talking about MSI Claw? I don't think it makes much difference which distro you're on. As long as you're on any that's reasonably updated, such as Bazzite, Nobara or Cachy, you're pretty much getting the latest hardware support. These 3 distros are all communicating with each other constantly and giving each other patches to fix handheld issues.
The problem with Claw is that the OEM doesn't provide Linux support at all afaik, while some parts of it are somewhat custom. And the device isn't popular enough so there aren't any devs who have it and can troubleshoot and fix issues on it.

>>107509635
I mean it's true, sure.

>>107509687
The problem is that desktop Linux is inherently insecure even compared to Windows. I think the only solution GrapheneOS devs have come up with is "use Secureblue, at least it's trying to be secure". And Secureblue has the issue of (by default) outright breaking compatibility with things many people need, such as Appimage.

>>107510298
>is it just a meme thing that no one actually used
Yes.

>>107513668
>does shit just werk now?
Maybe. Maybe not. Wine regressions are a dime a dozen.

>>107498533
alright friendos. i am gonna try linux. i'm trying it on a virtual machine first, my friend helped me set it up. i have a 2nd NVME ready if i end up enjoying it. it's still in the box.

so what the heck do i do? I got the Mist/cinnamon version.

>>107513764
You already fucked up. I'm sorry, your entire computer has to be thrown away now.

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>>107513781
o-ok

>Linux is fundamentally a terminal based OS
>"Lets try to make it like windows!"

Linux is already is at the same "complexity" as windows.
The only difference is you are going from searching on the web for .exe to using sudo apt install or sudo flatpak install

When you update you are switching from the update settings to doing one simple command,

sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

Its actually even easier since if you use amd you need zero drivers it works out of the box. I'll never understand why normies are so afraid of two simple terminal commands. Thats literally all you need to keep your system updated.

I still think flatpak and bazaar hould be preinstalled on debian though

>>107513844
>>Linux is fundamentally a terminal based OS
Linux is a kernel, retard.

>>107513764
oof, linux Mist/cinnamon is a pretty bad distro and quite outdated by now. you should stick to non-meme distros like bazzite or literally anything else that has a working desktop environment (kde or gnome)

>>107513871
ok. ill try that anon. it's on a virtual machine so ill just make another instance or iso or w/e

>>107511682
>Right?
Yes. Certbot has had pre- and post- hooks since the beginning.
https://serverfault.com/a/1062850/228244

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>>107512692

Just use mint, preferably XFCE if you need a lighter weight desktop for all your PC's.

Mint has a software manager, update manager pre installed.

That's literally it.

>>107512116
No. Not unless you have a specific need for Gen 5 speeds or need 8 TB of storage which the 990 Pro never had.
I have a 4 TB 990 Pro right now and it's completely fine. It's also almost full and 8 TB drives are still fucking expensive and DRAM isn't getting any cheaper.

One of these days I will follow through with getting a bifurcation card and will just raid a bunch of cheaper 4 TB drives together.

Normalfag buddy of mine asked for a distro recommendation but I've been exclusively using Debian Stable for the last decade, what do I say? I hear Cachy is popular now but I wouldn't be able to help if bleeding edge stuff breaks because that never happened to me.

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>>107513764
>>107513896
I don't think you'll notice the flaws of Mint in a VM. The lack of proper multi monitor support (you can't have different display scaling or different refresh rates), lack of HDR and VRR, outdated drivers and dependencies (overall bad software/gaming compatibility), and a clunky system upgrade is something you can only experience on real hardware and with prolonged use. Using Mint (or Debian) in the Linux world is almost like still using Windows Vista.
It's fine as a distro for grandmas who use 5 year old computers and the only thing they do is use Firefox to chat with grandkids on Facebook. Outside of that it's nowhere close to the best and easiest Linux has to offer.

>>107514108
Bazzite if he's a gamer, Aurora if he isn't.

>>107514108
If you can't help them then you want a distro that has rollbacks (at the filesystem level) built-in.

So that means something like Bazzite or OpenSUSE (for a more traditional approach with Snapper snapshots, except they have some issues with video codecs, etc)

So AMDGPU finally crashed after 11 days of uptime. Not bad I suppose. I needed to reboot to update the kernel anyways.

>>107514121
>VRR doesn't work
False.
>multiple monitors doesn't work unless they have the same refresh rate
Also false.
Stop parroting garbage that you don't even know if it's true or not.

what does suse enterprise do what opensuse does not do?

>>107514376
that opensuse*

>>107514376
They answer your support tickets.
It's like the difference between Fedora and RHEL (although SUSE is far more closely aligned to what OpenSUSE is doing code wise whereas RHEL is its own beast)

>>107514374
>2 out of 7 things is false and only as of recently
Irrelevant, the overall point still stands.

>>107514376
openSUSE Leap is basically just SLE for a desktop, while openSUSE Tumbleweed is the community version of it that's closest to being an actual consumer focused home desktop OS.

>>107514405
What point? That you're a retarded nigger who parrots garbage without fact checking it? Yeah, that point still stands.

>>107514422
>>107514121
>It's fine as a distro for grandmas who use 5 year old computers and the only thing they do is use Firefox to chat with grandkids on Facebook. Outside of that it's nowhere close to the best and easiest Linux has to offer.

>>107514339
Never mind. Unloading the driver with

rmmod -f

and reloading it with

modprobe amdgpu

actually worked this time. I'm impressed, usually it just hangs indefinitely but it did take its time but actually unloaded and reloaded properly this time. I just had to restart the getty.

>buy one of those cheapo-but-works-well brother printers
>macOS: download file, printer works
>winblows: download file, printer works
>linux: ????? literally fucking impossible, all you get is some debian trash which fails to do anything on fedora
cool

>>107513871
>>107514121
ok i tried bazzite, and i really like it, i might proceed and install it on the SSD i got

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>>107505675
Anyone?

>>107508715

mxlinux default is not xfce or kde has great widgets but not much else

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>>107498533
Why isn't this working? According to /v/ this is user error

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>>107514863
Something is inhibiting the screen locker.

>>107514875
Well what the fuck? I turned off nightlight I don't have anything there to tell me.

>>107514907
Ok I found it. Why the fuck would anything block it from doing that? I am going in this with an open mind and the smallest of things add up that are starting to bother me.

is steamos on desktop a thing yet or do we have to wait for those steam machine 2.0 boxes to release?

>>107514931
You can get a similar experience to SteamOS on a desktop if you use Bazzite, but I'd say that it may become a seperate thing when the Gabecube releases maybe.

Yes, you can install SteamOS on a desktop:
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/SteamOS/wiki/Getting-Started

No, you probably shouldn't. Unless you're only using this for Steam then you're better off with something like Bazzite or a different desktop focused distro. SteamOS is designed to be locked down and limited in ways other distros aren't (for example, you can only install software in your home folder and not system-wide and don't have access to pacman, etc)

>>107514968
Meant to tag you: >>107514931

>>107514959
>>107514968
Bazzite is all the shitty unnecessarily constricted parts of SteamOS with none of the hardware support.

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>>107514931
If you're asking about it as a distro which you can install on any desktop, that will never happen. It will always be a distro which primarily works on devices which ship with it.
There's already Bazzite which is a better version of SteamOS for desktops anyway. So there isn't really a need for SteamOS to be widely installable on all PCs.
That said, if you have compatible hardware you can definitely try installing it and it will probably work. It's just not going to be a good desktop OS due to how locked down it is.

>>107514978
Don't they use a standard Fedora kernel now? They dropped their gaming kernel. It has hardware support for whatever Fedora has. Maybe there is some obscure device that is disabled in their config? I don't know. Bug the Fedora kernel maintainers in that case.

>>107514981
ill be honest, i dont even know what any of those lines even mean on the picture other than fedora/arch linux and flatpak

will someone who is a linux luddite even care about that stuff?

>>107515057
Basically:
>Gaming use
Both fine
>Desktop use
SteamOS more limited unless you know what you're doing.

>>107515081
>>107515057
But to answer the question, if you install everything from Flatpak and never mess with the system, etc, then yes, nobody cares, either is fine in the case.

>>107515090
cheers

>>107515057
>will someone who is a linux luddite even care about that stuff?
If you want to install anything that needs to be installed system-wide, then yes.
Seeing how you're a person that's looking into installing an OS manually, you're already an advanced user and you'd probably benefit from being able to install software that's unavailable as a flatpak or appimage. For example, adb, virt-manager, VPNs, etc.

If you just stick to Flathub and Steam client, then it makes no difference.

>>107514986
You don't get SteamOS hardware support without Valve hardware.

>>107515158
Hardware support is provided by the Linux kernel and not Valve magic though.
It's tempted to think they're adding some benefit here but the Steam Machine is really just a standard x86_64 desktop PC with an AMD CPU and GPU in it. It's nothing exotic, it's not custom silicon like say an Apple Mac has.

>>107515120
hmmm didnt think about vpn software. ill have to look into that, thanks.

>>107515170
Not to imply you couldn't build a Linux PC yourself, but retards asking 'steamos when' are looking for hardware support that you can't get by putting Bazzite on a random Windows craptop.

>>107515170
And I'm not saying that's a bad thing either by the way. It's good that they are using standard hardware.
>>107515200
You also won't get any hardware support that's not already provided by Mesa and the Linux Kernel though. The fact that you can install SteamOS on a normal PC and it will work is precisely because Valve is leaning on Linux and Mesa to do that. If Bazzite won't work then there's a good chance that SteamOS wouldn't too.

>>107515224
>>107515200
I guess what I'm saying is, the retards saying "steamOS when" because they believe Valve will magically deliver something that nobody else can (in terms of software, obviously Valve's own hardware will work) will be bitterly disappointed.

There is nothing that SteamOS can do that other distros can't in terms of hardware support, which is not to belittle their work because they've done a lot of really great work that others have benefited from.
I think people still don't understand the notion of "upstream" and that all of the work that Valve does benefits everyone. They are not hoarding anything for themselves in SteamOS.

>>107515177
Just use WireGuard, it's a standard feature.

just build your own car bro. its the same parts.

>>107515170
SteamOS is very, very stripped down. You can't even install it on nVidia hardware, for example. Intel iGPU support is apparently also shaky, and so is older AMD GPU support. They even removed stuff like printer support because they wanted SteamOS to consume as little space as possible.

A distro like Bazzite doesn't have this issue because it's a complete Fedora OS plus the proprietary drivers and codecs.

>>107515120
>>107515177
Don't forget printer support.
>As of SteamOS 3.5 and later versions, Podman is preinstalled, enabling users to run containerized printing solutions without requiring root access or unlocking the system

Basically, a lot of the basic shit you'd expect in an OS needs to be run through Podman on SteamOS. And Podman isn't really that easy to use to an average person. Compare that to printer support being there out of the box on Fedora/Bazzite.

Anything that's not there out of the box on Bazzite can be installed with rpm-ostree >>107514981, which is the system package manager (equivalent to apt, dnf, pacman). It installs packages/apps/dependencies natively rather than in a container, so there's less headaches and a lower barrier of usage. It's overall much simpler to use.

Things might change in future since Linux seems to be moving to an atomic/immutable-oriented desktop, but we're not there yet currently. Until then, a distro as "locked down" as SteamOS is simply subpar to Fedora's Atomic distros.

>>107508585
I use Ubuntu and it just works. It's my daily driver and it hasn't caused me problems since I installed it over a year ago.

Maybe you're just too stupid to figure out Linux even though it hardly takes any figuring out at all.

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Why is my computer so slow to copy over some rpgmaker games? I've noticed that it works a lot faster when moving one large file compared to several small files, why is that? I don't know if this is a linux related thing, but I'm on arch btw.

Hey anons, i'm on a fresh endeavourOS + lxqt install, and i have a couple of questions:
How do i reduce the mouse speed and invert the touchpad (only) scrolling direction? The settings invert both wheel and trackpad when changed.
Do KDE Kvantum themes work on lxqt?
ty

>>107512692
OpenTTD

>>107515559
Also, how do i increase the text on websites? Everything looks smaller, even this very text, or 4chan posts.

>>107513899
Certbot is run by a systemd unit. Is it okay for systemctl to run from it?
Just wondering what's the "systemd way of doing things" here.

what are some annoying things about gnome?
i want to use it, one of the things that annoy me is not having tray icon support by default

>>107515786
I need a taskbar.

Do you think it's okay to partition a disk, install first Linux, like Fedora, encrypt it and on the other part install Windows 10 because I need it. Is it okay or Microsoft will be able to take control of the Linux partition?

>>107515515
Thunar is obscenely slow with file copying. It just dies with thousands of files. Pure trash which is unbelievable.
It's better to use a terminal to copy over files than any linux "file manager". Would be interesting to see if there's a reliable benchmark somewhere on internet.

>>107515786
Almost all of my annoyances are fixed with just 3-4 extensions. The rest of my annoyances with GNOME are mainly some apps being worse than KDE ones, most notably the file manager.

>>107515955
A lot of users have historically reported that Windows updates wipe the Linux bootloader, so dual booting is kind of risky.
Some people even claim that Windows automatically formats Linux partitions because it doesn't recognize the filesystem and thinks it's ok to do it. But afaik Windows never does this automatically, so these users probably got a prompt/pop-up, didn't read it, and just clicked "Ok".
Honestly, just use Windows in a virtual machine. Virt-manager makes it super easy. If you don't need high GPU performance (or if you need it and are comfortable with setting up a GPU passthrough) it's a much better option.

>>107516001
Interesting, you're right in that it looks like using cp -v -r copies them over faster, but I even when just using the terminal it still feels pretty slow.

>>107516046
>If you don't need high GPU performance
This is exactly what I need, sadly and not only. I really don't know what to do in that situation. I can't get an SSD because these that are okay to be used for an OS(as the people say) are quite expensive for my budget.

>>107515786
No typeahead for file location and backspace doesn't go to the previous folder in the file manager. Blurry text is also a big one.

>>107508585
>whereas Linux doesn't
Works fine on my machine

>>107516079
Any SSD will work for any OS. Unless Windows has gotten significantly worse in the past few years. I mean ffs any Linux distro can be installed and run on regular flash storage USB device or even a micro SD card. And, unless you're using a USB 2.0 device, the bootup times and read speeds aren't bad. So, a $20-$40 SSD should be fine for either Windows or Linux.
That said, if you can't afford that, then roll a dice and just dual boot.
Or, try a GPU passthrough if you have 2 GPUs (or an integrated GPU + a regular one). Technically you can do a GPU passthrough with just 1 GPU, but that's a bit convoluted.

>>107516047
I haven't done much testing as all of my files are already in place but Thunar just died when copying (nvme) over some 4GB Wine prefix with 15,000+ files or so. This would never happen in Windows.
I suppose would be interesting to see if internet has more knowledge about this.

>>107516141
Well, when I read reviews and even the guide on pcbg they say most are not recommended to install an OS on, I got surprised as well.

>>107516046
>just use Windows in a virtual machine. Virt-manager makes it super easy. If you don't need high GPU performance (or if you need it and are comfortable with setting up a GPU passthrough) it's a much better option.
I thought virtualizing GPU's (or really any common hardware) was actually super easy? Like I know any intel CPU has had virtualization specific features since forever, and in my ongoing attempts to get my old tesla card to run at it's full clock speed Im 99.8937% sure I've seen stuff in the driver documentation about features/tools that are specifically designed to provide a virtual GPU passthrough to 1 or more virtual machines.

>>107516079
>I can't get an SSD because these that are okay to be used for an OS(as the people say) are quite expensive for my budget.
I don't understand what you mean by this? What does an SSD have to do with GPU passthrough? Also I would imagine just about any SSD will be OK to use to boot an OS from. I mean if you see something that is 10% of the price of everything else that might be something to avoid but 99% of the time you're probably OK.

>>107515955
>Do you think it's okay to partition a disk, install first Linux, like Fedora, encrypt it and on the other part install Windows 10 because I need it.
Yes, but make sure you install windows first, THEN install anything else afterwards. If you do it the other way around (ie, install linux first and then install windows) the windows installer has a tendency to "eat" or overwrite GRUB. You can use GRUB to boot to windows, but you can't use the windows bootloader to boot to linux.

>>107515955
>Microsoft will be able to take control of the Linux partition?
If by "take control of" you mean like deliberate reading/writing/spying or other malicious activity like that, your're probably safe. I'm 99% sure that windows 10 doesn't even recognize or know how to read ext4 partitions by default or without some kind of plug-in.

>>107516202
>with GPU passthrough
Because it's not going to be enough for what I want to do.

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>>107507145
>>107508162
thanks anons, i didn't get around to getting steam to work yet, too much work stuff, but i appreciate your support

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>be me
>use mint
>try to play vidya (brigador)
>protondb says it runs natively
>install via steam
>doesn't work, won't load into levels, and crashes after a few minutes
>go into the steam settings, force it to use a couple different proton versions
>still doesn't work
>try to go through Heroic games instead
>still doesn't work
ok, what the fuck am i doing wrong here?
>>107508715
are those seal-script characters? didn't know japs ever used them.

>>107516311
run steam from a terminal so you can get some log output. you're at the point where you've tried the easy fixes and need to try to get real info about the problem.

>>107516311
Seems like you are too stupid to run games.

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>>107516185
>I haven't done much testing as all of my files are already in place but Thunar just died when copying (nvme) over some 4GB Wine prefix with 15,000+ files or so.
Oh yeah, that just happened to me btw, it was a windows ISO. I hope I won't get too many errors like that when my rpgm hentai games finish copying. I'm not even halfway done.

>>107508715
I recommend installing both then comparing since details others don't care about may matter to you.

>>107516337
That's not very /faglet/ of you

>>107516311
mint can't play games which need the latest proton because it's drivers and mesa are outdated

>>107508982
You might like it and if not, uninstall and try something else. It's free after all. If you're busy right now just use whatever you do now and experiment at leisure.

Thanks for mentioning it. I'll install it later today when I've time to read the needful.

>>107516518
I did not mean literally die but performance wise.

>>107516518
Next time just use cp, it never crashes, also
>copying (nvme) over some 4GB Wine prefix
Moving full prefixes around never worked for me, I just copy the contents of drive_c and create a new one

>>107512325
Switching between is painless but begs the question why not take advantage of a VM for developing and leaving the host as it is.

Then you can test without disturbing your host OS, and can revert to a clean snapshot or one taken of any state you choose.

You can also remote into your laptop and place that anywhere convenient without interfering with your main machine. I remote into any of my PC from any other for convenience (like reading my machine tool or vehicle tech library from my workshop using an expendable old PC) which is handy as fuck.

You might like hanging your second lappy on a wall for zero footprint vs. traditional placements. I hang my 1U server from two cheap screw-in hooks that cost about a dollar and can cover it with a framed poster etc easily if I cared.

>>107516702
>Next time just use cp
Nice try FBI

>>107512325
>I'm also developing some Linux desktop applications and Wayland is causing a lot of bugs with GTK
X11 is abandonware. If you're developing an X11 only desktop app it will not be used by anyone within the next 3 years.

>>107516311
Why are you trying to use Linux for gaming?

>>107505675
>>107514806
*sigh*
How about you try it and see? I have a very similar thinkpad and almost every distro works on it, I even installed Gentoo on it (although I don't recommend that you do that).
If you intend to use it as a tablet rather than a desktop then GNOME might actually be good for you, the touchscreen works with GNOME and XFCE from my experience, just pick any distro that comes with GNOME and you're good to go. I would recommend Fedora or Ubuntu since they both come with GNOME (although Ubuntu comes with a modified version of GNOME).

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>>107516738
>3 years

Reminder X11 is considered insecure slop and security focused distro like secureblue straight up blocks it.

>>107516702
Fuck off retard learn to read.
I don't need your so called advice.
Do not evangelize your opinions, you don't know why I was copying around some directory in the first place. You are so fucking annoying. Every thread has some 24/7 squatter like yourself.
This general is a joke.

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>>107510284
Reporting back.
No issues so far, and we will stick with Firefox, nobody minds some ADs until the updates are up.
I do believe the problem was caused by me messing with the new audio setup that comes with Mint, it's not suited for my user case (two outputs), so after uninstalling it (breaking the environment by doing so, then doing the apt update thing to restore it) and installing pulse audio with paprefs the problem was solved.
Thanks again, anons.

>>107516311
I had a similar problem and it was HDD permissions issues
I run my silly games on NTFS HDD that have my old ass backups lol. Using this on the disk configurations solved my problem:
uid=1000,gid=1000,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show

One day I'll buy a new HDD/SSD and see if its better on the correct Linux format.

>>107516851
Reminder you can't into english, stupid ESLtard.

>>107516851
There's nothing wrong with X11, Wayland is just being forcibly memed by troons, much like Rust

>>107515515
>>107516047
Thunar maybe slower but this isn't a thunar specific problem, copying many small files will always take more time than copying one large file in any filesystem because each file comes with metadata like creation date, modified date, permissions, etc... the kernel has to copy and modify this data accordingly with the filesystem for each file (e.g. calculate new creation date, modification date, permissions, etc...), whereas one large file has only one piece of metadata associated with it so it copies faster without any overhead from the metadata.

>>107516950
Secureblue BLOCKS it. It's insecure SLOP. Only culture war contrarians champion it.

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How long would it take to become a decent enough programmer to be able to contribute to linux development? I just want working fractional scaling on XFCE, but that shit barley works on anything outside of Arch w/ KDE on wayland

>>107516963
>it's more secure! just trust us! no, I won't explain why, we're going to be using Rust and that's FINAL!
Same shit different meme

>>107516963
>Secureblue
That shit ain't even on distrowatch rankings lmao
Irrelevant trash for larpers

>>107516851
Xlibre solves this with Xnamespaces

>>107516963
>Secureblue
There's only one security focused desktop OS and that is Qubes
And for servers it would be OpenBSD, anything else is just a meme

once LMDE comes with Wayland by default I will use it
Until then I'll stay with what works

>>107516998
don't mind him. it's just the bazzitetard shilling his newest FOTM

GrapheneOS has spoken. Debian is slop. X11 is slop.

>>107516988
I really want to try it but replacing x11 with it on arch sounds like a nightmare

>>107517031
GrapheneOS is unfortunately also slop. Use SailfishOS instead of a stupid Android fork.

i cant imagine caring about whether the WM line in fastfetch says WM: KWin (Wayland) or KWin (X11), i got actual work to do instead of hyperventilating about trannies/chuds/whatever you retards obsess about. just use what you want and then shut the fuck up

>>107517043
Dunno about arch, but I'm using Devuan and I uninstalled Xorg and installed Xlibre and it just werks (Bonus: Xlibre supports TearFree on modsetting drivers and it's enabled by default! no more screen tearing even without compositors!)

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>>107517054
Nope.

>>107517065
You should care about using technically inferior insecure software like X11, especially if your reason for using it is "it owns the trannies or something"

>>107517065
>i got actual work to do instead of hyperventilating about trannies/chuds/whatever
Yet here you are seething about it on a mongolian yak herding forum.

>>107517075
>Muh privacy and security features
lol
lmao even

>>107517085
Micay is right.

>Desktop Linux is insecure. ESPECIALLY Debian and its derivatives.
>Old thinkpads are insecure.
>Google Pixels have some of the most secure hardware available on the market.
>Firefox is insecure. Chromium's sandboxing is far superior.
>F-Droid is insecure. Google Play is better.
>Other custom Android ROMs are insecure.
>GrapheneOS is the most secure operating system overall. iOS is a close second place.

>>107517096
lol

>>107517096
You are insecure

>>107517075
if some retard wants to use some insecure shit then let them, who gives a shit

likewise if some retard wants to use some redhat shit because they want hdr then let them, who gives a shit.

>>107517082
every day its the same shit with you retards
>"WAH X11 DOES THIS"
>"UM WAYLAND GAY CUZ UM"
>"BU-BU-BU X11"
>"WAYLAND TRANNY"
>"XLIBRE CHUD"
there is no conversation or dialogue being done, its just screaming matches between two different sets of retards.

>>107517031
So where is GrapheneOS for laptops and desktops?
Oh, that's right your OS is a toy for phones. Does it even x86 builds available like Android x86 had?

New thread >>107517095

>>107516806
>How about you try it and see?
I don't have the laptop yet.
I'm thinking of getting it if the linux support was decent.
If it's not I would get the cheaper non-yoga version.

>>107516847
What's your point? X11 is quite literally abandownare and it's inevitable that it will no longer be supported on 99% of people's desktops next decade.
Wayland is already a default on GNOME and Plasma and all data suggests that those two alone account for somewhere around 70%-90% of all Linux desktops. GNOME has already removed X11 support entirely, and KDE will follow next year. So LTS distros releasing in 2028 will no longer ship with X11. Even Xfce and Cinnamon, which are the next most popular DEs, are moving to Wayland. And Xfce and Cinnamon will likely abandon X11 since their dev teams are significantly smaller, meaning they won't be able to maintain both at once.

>>107516336
did as you said, got a bunch of errors when I ran it, the first type being that I got the wrong ELF class, and the second being that _NET_WIM_PID 5 doesn't work with X11, and that I should be using XCB_X11_TO_PID instead. I'm guessing the first is more relevant then the second because I can't see how window management should be fucking with my game like this, but i'm a newbie, so what would i know?
>>107516337
that is a possibility
>>107516572
>>107516766
I was under the impression that gaming on Linux has more or less been solved, so long as the game doesn't have kernel-level anit-cheat (which this particular one doesn't).
>>107516909
thanks for the advice anon, if i can't figure out what to do with the errors, i'll just try your solution and see if it works.

>>107517440
>I was under the impression that gaming on Linux has more or less been solved, so long as the game doesn't have kernel-level anit-cheat (which this particular one doesn't).
You have the wrong impression. It's far from "solved". It's a lot better than it ever was but still has issues.

>>107517440
>gaming on Linux has more or less been solved
it is on non-shit distros. debian, ubuntu and anything based on them (including mint) is just shit made for servers and office computers. as far as desktop use is concerned they're still stuck in 2018.

>>107517568
>it is on non-shit distros
There's not a single distro where gaming has actually been solved.

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>>107517568
>the distro is shit if I can't play with my toys!
Gaymers are so fucking retarded it's unbelievable. Fuck that mutt gaben for bringing you manchildren into the hobby where you can spew your retardation.

>>107517620
yep, that's correct. it's shit if it can't run proton. but to be fair there are other reasons why I consider those distros shit.
>Fuck that mutt gaben for bringing you manchildren into the hobby where you can spew your retardation.
I've been on linux since before steam had a linux version. I've probably used ubuntu and mint for at least 7 years. linux on desktops as a whole was crap until a few years ago.

please god someone throw me a firefox script or add-on to block ambient mode on youtube
holy shit

>>107516985
>distrowatch
>relevant
According to Distrowatch, MX Linux was the most used distro by far around 2015-2020. It's a pointless website and not a real metric of popularity or quality.

>>107517440
Yes, the X11 errors are a red herring. The wrong elf class is probably a red herring also. I think that error is normal. Do you have any working games?