How the fuck is it possible that is no good web browser out there? All are either chromium based or fucking filled with dogshit AI features. All of them are also resource intensive, how the fuck is this allowed?
>>107509128i can't complain about Mullvad Browser after softening the privacy restrictions a bit.it's Tor Browser without the Tor part (you don't have to use a VPN with it).
>>107509165interesting>>107509128the complexity of websites keeps increasing so projects that are developed more slowly die off
>>107509430>projects that are developed more slowly die offhave you heard of https://ladybird.org/i have my doubts it will ever catch up to modern web requirements but it would be awesome to have three engines.well, four i guess. tend to forget about apple's WebKit since safari isn't on windows.(not counting stuff like palemoon since it doesn't work on all "modern" websites though i'm still happy it is being updated.)
>>107509128 i like brave ive been using it for a while (had ungoogled chromium before that). mostly because of it's stock anti fingerprinting stuff.now im trying out midori, seems relatively lightweight and works fast even on my very old busted laptop
>>107509502interesting>aiming for summer 2026 release for pre-alphaso quite soonI hope they are programming with cybersecurity in mind. (I was going to say that cybersec is rather important for browsers, but perhaps that's actually false)
Firefox + betterfox user.js will be the best browser once mv2 is fully removed from chromium codebase. The mv3 adblocker filter list being gatekept by google extension update approval is mental retardation and autism
Chromium is fine. Wait for Orion.
>>107509128I am developing my own browser right now. Stay tuned.
>>107509817i'd be surprised if they don't puzzle together parts like javascript interpreter and various format interpreters (for viewing images and other media) so security is probably not something they need to work that hard to achieve
>>107509128ladybird will save usjust have to wait three more years for stable
>>107510325lul. a year until maybe alpha. 3 years to stable. 5 years to be competitive if that even happens because Linux only. servo will be competitive before then
>>107509128>How the fuck is it possible that is no good web browserSimple, there's actually only 2 web browsers; one is made by a surveillance & advertisement company, the other is made by an activist organization founded by the former surveillance & advertisment company. It makes a lot of sense actually. >inb4b safariThat's just an obsolete fork of chromium.
>>107509165Yeah, I've been using mullvad browser for a while now too. It's nice. I tried using brave but I really don't like chromium based browsers.
>>107509128Why chromium browsers suck so much dick on Linux? It seems the only browser that just works there is Firefox. They are laggy and take longer to launch every time. They launch just fine on the same computer using windows 10. Is this related with the flags that are disabled? Do I need to install something?
>>107509128any gophersexuals like myself ITT?
>>107514373No, but I use Lagrange and have a Gemini capsule and think there are a couple of interesting gopherholes out there
Orion is the best right now
>>107509128Why isn't librewolf on your list? It's literally the best browser there is followed by the Mullvad browser.
>>107512310i'm using mullvad browser but also have brave because it has built-in Tor in private windows, a really handy feature. i've also needed Brave a few times when a website is doing something retarded, which gets blocked by mullvad browser but then breaks the site. i think recently it was a file i needed to download from somewhere so i had to use Brave. there's probably some setting in mullvad browser i can disable to get it to work but it can be a puzzle to figure out what.
>>107509128man, i forget maxthon. in the past they are good. don't now happen to them now, are they still exist?fucking hell. they are now chrom. kek
>>107509128just so you're aware there's actually only 3 browsers here and the rest are forks (spinoffs) of the main browser.
>>107514993and those three are Chomium (blink), Firefox (Gecko) and Safari (WebKit)
>>107509128The web is chrome.
>>107509128>How the fuck is it possible that is no good web browser out there?Because even before the snow saudis decided to sell out to the chinksects they thought it would be a good idea to scrap presto in favor of chromium. This is the most accursed timeline we're currently living in.
>>107509128>CCleaner Browserwhat the fuck am I reading?
>>107509128Imagine having such a huge list of options just to realize that Brave and Firefox are the only ones worth using, illusion of free choice ig.
I'm using Zen Browser while I wait for Ladybird to be released.
we need a more compact and efficient standardgoogle has allowed the web to mostly become bloated webapp shit infested with trackers, and now people expect that. theres no reason a single tab of youtube should suck half a gig of ram on its own. theres no reason a reddit tab thats mostly WORDS should guzzle a quarter gig[gopher and gemini are too compact. surely we can agree on something somewhere in the middle between 1995-level and now]
>>107516524>Brave>Firefox>worth usingKek
Miss me yet?
>>107516748They are, nothing compares, your random irrelevant niche browser is not better, sorry.
>>107509165>Mullvad browser>look inside>Firefox ESRIt's just like >>107516524 says, Illusion of free choice
>>107509128I tried 13 of them + PaleMoon and Librewolf.
>>107517021did you really expect Tor browser to not be a fork of Firefox?
>>107517146And?
>>107509128The best for mobile is fennec imo. Basically gives you an anonymous fingerprint, which is the most important of all and the privacy settinga are great (disable javascript, cookies, webgl etc) Otherwise itd be Tor, but since theres only like 1,000 people using tor mobile at once its pretty easy for google and everyone else to recognize your traffic so theyll ID you instantly unless you exclude certain countries like the US, Germany and Isreal.It does unfortunatley have trackers but you can block the domains they connect to rendering them useless with a firewall. Then use a vpn and bam you're goldIf you wanna test your browser security legit just google "browser fingerprint test" and choose the most elaborate one. In all of my testing, Fennec came out on top.
>>107519641I seriously wouldnt trust anything else. The mobile market for browsers is THAT bad.
>>107519641>>107519659GrapheneOS recommends against using Gecko based browsers, and does not have good things to say about F-Droid>Avoid Gecko-based browsers like Firefox as they're currently much more vulnerable to exploitation and inherently add a huge amount of attack surface.>Chromium-based browsers like Vanadium provide the strongest sandbox implementation, leagues ahead of the alternatives.>Chromium has decent exploit mitigations, unlike the available alternatives.>It's not a theoretical problem. There have been numerous cases of F-Droid reintroducing vulnerabilities patched by apps and breaking the security of apps. F-Droid also rarely every notices when apps make changes they consider a problem prior to publishing the updates but rather they mark their list of anti-features or patch the app retroactively. It's only when an app very openly does something detected by their basic scanning that they'll deal with it prior to publication. It's a misconception that it provides any protection from app developers since they publish whatever is published by app developers unless they did something like including a closed source library detected by their scans, which can be tested by someone malicious in advance. Multiple F-Droid core developers have also repeatedly covered up vulnerabilities, misled people about how things work and other actions demonstrating it isn't trustworthy.
>>107519659Oh, also, you can see what domains apps are connecting to any time with this app called Tracker Control. Also lets you firewall any and all trackers as well as block internet access to every app, including system apps (which is great because yes, a lot of system apps installed, even ones like fucking bluetooth send off information about you and your activities to google and whatnot to build a database on you that the gov can just pull whenever they want. See surveilence is okay if a company does it!) I highly, highly recommend seeing which system apps send data and deleting them if possible.Or just use Graphene lmfao>>107519696Thats some great info about f-droid, thanks for that! Fuck that shit man. I still dont feel too concerned about using a GECKO based browser though, and the chromium browser options on mobile are still less secure than fennec as besides chrome all of them give you a unique fingerprint. Yes, I tested them extensivley. Even shit like monocles browserWith TC though I can see what domains apps connect to and block them so I aint too worried.
>>107516848No. Stay dead.
>>107509128ESL found
>>107509165You can't still use Tor on it
>>107522669can*
>>107514982well it used to be an ie skin and ie doesn't exist anymore so it shouldn't be surprising
>>107509660>I'm a retarded shill faggot who behaves life a groupie for anything that's popular
>>107519901Can't install extensions in any chrome based browsers on android, though
>>107519696>The engineer behind CopperheadOS, known for harvesting user data, moved to another project (GrapheneOS) and suggests not using GeckoThanks for letting me know. How are those corporate controlled Titan M2 chips working out? I think we should all just trust the blurbs and blobs too, Micay. Enshittification has surely never hurt Alphabet's name at all.
>>107522801You cant have extensions and be private. Thatll add to your fingerprint so theyll know its you by looking at your extensions and your browsing activity.
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