If you want to play games, it's not worth it to get a computer.
>>107523203It has to have games worth playing to make it a value proposition. Also, >>>/v/Owning the titles you play is also far more valuable that renting a license. I can have every single game on the bottom one. Although a 6800 xt is better than the $350 proposition of the PS.
>>107523203>30fps with upscalingseems like pc is the only option lol
>>107523279For 10x the price
>>107523303does it matter? one can play games, the other can't. only one option
You can make your own games on a PC.
>>107523203I'm a NEET and my PC alone costs three grand, not accounting for the rest of the setup, like OLED monitor and active monitor speakers. It's my main hobby and I spend most of the time behind my PC, it works out to like one or two cents an hour with a reasonable upgrade schedule. People spend way more on cars they only use to drive to work, to work and not even enjoy doing it (driving that is).
>>107523203Technicaly both can play at 240fps if the resolution and graphics are low enough
>>107523769I can't make games
>>107523916>People spend way more on cars they only use to drive to work, to work and not even enjoy doing it>PeopleNo. Real people don't do that
>>107523929Not really, the pissstation is not fast enough for gaming
>>107523303Whatever. $2000 for a GPU is a lot, but if you want latest and greatest why not.
>>107523203The PC comes with a million games, all free How many does the PS5 have?When you account for software costs the PC oliterates all other consoles COMBINED
>>107524310truthwhen you take into account the ridiculous price of games and subscriptions necessary for consoles it's not worth it in the long run. Plus you can do much more than game on a PCconsoles are good value if you're going to play the same 2 games all year
>>107523203Can't play the games I want on a console. How many times must we make this point?
I bought a used xbox series s for 150€ and ps5 disc version for 350€ during college and they did me a great service during that time, but now that I've been meaning to build my own pc of course AI fags make everything 10 times more expensive. Seems like I'm gonna have to ride with these consoles at least a year longer. The dualsense feels awesome though ngl, something about the vibration is so satisfying and I do enjoy playing bloodborne despite the lack of optimization.
>digital editionso in addition to the severely cucked software suite and having a fraction of the functionality you also own nothing because you can't even access a file managerbravoa 9060xt pc ties the pro btw
>>107523203>PS5>30fps on checkerboarded "4K" at low-medium with FSR performance>5090>90fps on 4K ultra with DLSS quality
>>107526810forgot to mention that console games and services aren't as expensive as pc players like to say, at least when you don't rely on retail and the official game stores. I bought tekken 8 on release for 20€ via some argentinian key and like half a year of game pass ultimate for about 35. I wouldn't buy game pass ultimate again but I did enjoy a couple of games I wouldn't have bought otherwise. I've owned those consoles for over two years now and doubt that I would've saved money with pc>inb4 you don't actually own digital gamesyes and I do not care, and I'm pretty sure most pc gamers wouldn't care either considering how much of their steam library never gets played. Plus I can resell any physical copies. Point is that the difference between pc and console gaming finances isn't big enough to justify not buying a console imo. I definitely wouldn't buy xbox nowadays though, I only did it because 150€ was a nice deal back then and would be a insane deal today considering this retarded company seriously raised the prices of everything lol. Out of all the consoles the switch 2 seems like the least scammy, but I'm not big on nintendo games anyway
>>107523950Its a lot. I paid $2000 for my whole computer, and its not a bad computer. Some might even say its really good (7800x3d 5070ti).
>>107527170The lack of VRAM and CUDA cores makes the 5070Ti and 5080 useless for workstations or native AI processing. The 3D V-cache CPUs can't be used in Blender at all, a 9950X would have been the best choice. Your computer might be decent at gaming but it can't cure cancer or make your waifu real.
Based OPI've been playing on PC for 20 years since I was a kid (mainly because my parents wouldn't buy me 16+ games and because I could download cracked ones for free as a kid)I bought a PS5 6 months ago and its my first new current gen console since my Xbox 360 (which I never played because of the above reasons) Its just so much nicer than playing games sat at my desk, especially since I can turn the TV and console on with one button and I don't have to fuck around with faggy updates / Windows fucker / Meta Quest update popups every 2 minutes I am considering selling my desktop or converting it into a server or something
>>107523303which I can afford easily, what now?
>>107523203Playing games at low FPS hurts my eyes after 30 minutes, while playing at 60-120 does not. For some reason, playing at 30 seems to strain my eyes and dry my contacts out, while higher FPS do not. I literally cannot play my PS5 anymore.>t. 40
>>107527170So? 5090 is almost twice as fast for computing and have twice the memory. You don't need to buy it, but if you want to and have moneys why not. Even in my third world shithole it's a 2 weeks salary.
>>107527318>third world shithole>2 weeks salary >$3000-4000You don't live in a third world shithole. Evem Greece is not considered 3rd world and we make sub $1000 per month here
>>107523279They have no excuse. PS2 games often ran at 60 fps
>>107523203I only play old games and indie games. New games suck.
>>107523931why not? just ask gemini to make you one
30fps is fine
>>107527841Okay, it's my/it salary. In my city median is about $1.5-2k
>>107523203>spidumanYou have bigger problems.
>>107527222Yeh but $2000 buys me years worth of subs to an entire array of gpus that shit on your one 5090. >muh local AIIts cheaper than going to prison for making AI child pron, which is obviously what you guys want local for.
In what world is a PS5 + Spider-Man 2 $350??
>>107528481>Yeh but $2000 buys me years worth of subs to an entire array of gpus that shit on your one 5090.You get top of the line GPU for gaming, CUDA-related work and some hobby AI stuff. It's not that crazy considering that 5070ti is like $700.
>>107528629Okay, ps5 was 350 on black Friday. Spiderman 2 will be an extra cost you're right. But pc games are extra cost too! Look at dead space remake and black myth wukong
>>1075286365070ti is not 700
PS5 is only 1070 level, you save more buy buying a PC.Stop spamming this thread you seething tranny and pay your monthly bill to play online
>>107528656Is it cheaper? I thought msrp is $750
>>107528641>But pc games are extra cost too!
>>107528810It will last up to your PS7 cock slurper
>>107528822I'm anon that finds 5090 price fine
>>107528837friendly fire theneven at the inflated price the 5090 will mog the ps8 and save money over time counting online and game prices.
>>107528844I still on the 3080ti, I have PS5 and I would say my GPU is faster than PS5.
>>107528861And it will be better than the PS6The people that can get tricked by AMD upscaling of all things are why so many games use DLSS and FSR as a crutch for shit performance.
>>107528905What amd upscaling are you talking about
>>107529138PS5 4k is FSR upscaling
>>107523203What resolution? Buying a device just for games is intensely stupid.
>>107523203>why not buy fagstation?>only 320 euros>nice, how many exclusives?>20>90% are shovelware>10% will come to steam in a few yearsno thanks
>>107529206And ps5 pro 4k is pssr which is superior
>>107529290Looks like shit next to DLSS so that just gives the 3000 series even more life with DLSS 4.I'm just saying a 3060 twerks on a ps5 and will be better than a ps6 so they can still mog for another generation.
>>1075292424k.If not for games then why should I buy a pc?> Photo, video, game, ai editing etcYeah, how often do you do that?
>>107529565I do all my computing on my desktop. Are you disabled or something?
>>107523203>playing DEI sloppalol
>>107529586>I'M COMPOOTING
>>107530011You're not a bright oneWhat should I expect...
If you don't already have a good computer then you will be buying a console next gen. lol
>>107530240you're retarded if you believe they'll be even remotely a good dealeither the hardware will be shit or expensiveyou're not getting a percentage discount, it's a flat discount
>>107530320>you're not getting a percentage discount, it's a flat discountWhat do you mean?
>>107523203The one upside of the collapse of the video game industry is that you can just buy a 5060 ti (16gb) and play every game worth playing on your pc. You don't even have to buy the games, if you're not completely retarded.
>>107530608the point of consoles is to sell at a loss to recoup it down the line with games and subsif it was a percentage discount they'd have to rely on their customers being more loyal and in the age of multiplats and third party games it's not exactly viableif they're losing say $100 per unit they're not going to increase that deficit to $150 next gen
>>107530707They're going to keep it at 100 then since it's been working well for them all this time. Has it not been working well?
>pay $500 for console and $60 per gamevs>pay $1000 for equivalent PC and $0 per game
>>107530841Are you really going to play more than 10 $60 games?
>>107530786the point is that the hardware costs are escalating with the ram especially, soon storage too and silicon wafers for more advanced nodes get more expensive too
>>107530847Well, not on a PS5, no
>>107530841>>pay $500 for console and $60 per gameDon't forget about goysciption...
>>107523203Snoy pawn detected.
>>107530841Even without piracy, steam sales are way cheaper than PS store
>>107529243Now do it with PC games in the PS5 generation.
>>107530320It doesn't matter. A console will be priced to sell to the majority or it won't release. 90% of 4ch won't be able to afford to upgrade their PC in the coming years. Back to console you all go. tra la laa la la
>>107523203>extreme poor issuesnmp
>>107531192you're brown and a slavewhy would anyone downgrade to steam's big picture mode but worse?
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>>107523916cars and guns are much more powerful and precious than overpriced silicon like one can take your entire fat family to other side of the city while the other can literally kill people with pull of a triggermeanwhile all overpriced silicon does is upscale shitty triple a slop while not even helping you beat 14 year old ivan at online games
>>107533236>online gamesare for faggots, except mmorpgs
>>107533236You can make a gun with basic metalwork, even a Japanese memesword is harder to acquire skill for to make. Meanwhile try making a CPU that isn't just 60 transistors on a wafer.
>>107533236Kek, they are a NEET. You expect a NEET to go out? Also sure there's plenty of mass shooter NEETs, but how many compared to ones who jerk off to hentai at home and never kill anyone?
>>107523203>>107531319>>107531483Anon said extreme poor people, if you think a PC costing a few thousand bucks is much, you are extremely poor and should be doing anything else then playing video games in the first place. Try crime for example.
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>>107533252Rifles and cars require factories too, your point?
>>107533236>>107533313Your cars and guns can't run AI to make me cum.
>>107523203The master race doesn't mean you necessarily have the best hardware, though that is still a freedom afforded to the PC master race. The PC master race is the master race because they have various freedoms:>the freedom to upgrade or replace any part of their hardware>the freedom to play their entire games library through backwards compatibility and emulation>the freedom to play genres that don't even exist on consoles or are exceedingly rare on consoles>the freedom to play online for free>the freedom to purchase their games from any licenser, rather than being limited to Microsoft-licensed software on Xbox, Sony-licensed software on PlayStation, and Nintendo-licensed software on Nintendo>the freedom to install mods for their games>the freedom to create mods for their games and distribute them wherever they want>the freedom to create their own games outright>the freedom to distribute their created games through any licenser they wish, or even self-license them>the freedom to use whatever operating system they want>the freedom to play games with their preferred settings, with any aspect ratio they like, any resolution they like, and any framerate cap they like>the freedom to use multiple monitors>the freedom to use any input device they want, and rebind all their key/button mappings however they like>the freedom to record their gameplay with any encoding settings they want, using any recorder they want>the freedom to spend whatever price they want to acquire their hardwareSomebody emulating Parasite Eve II on an old shitbox Thinkpad is more a member of the master race than someone playing Black Ops 7 on PS5, because no company, EULA, online subscription, or software restriction can control his ability to play Parasite Eve II.
>>107523203Now add 15 games to the PS5 and it's 3 grand too... Even indie shit costs much on consoles. Meanwhile all you need is qBitTorrent on your PC to have 150 games in a couple days.
Spider-Man 2 sucks ass, I sold that shit immediately after buying it on PS5
>>107533346>le pc master racehijacked by consoletards and shills who try to trick you into buying shit like 4090
>>107533372>shit like 4090You can totally do that if you want. Playing actually at 4k instead of just having a sticker on your console box saying 4k is a huge difference.
>>107533346>>107523203Also, a $350 PC will play Parasite Eve II, whereas a $350 PS5 can't. The $350 PC is automatically superior.
>>107533390Based. You can actually buy a PS4, install Linux on it and emulate or play pirated indie games.
>>107533379Go for it if you want to. I'm just saying it's overpriced as hell for what it offers and it doesn't have a good use case right now (video games are shit and everyone plays old games where you get 300 fps with mid pc)
>>107523203>spiderman>30fpsyou'd have to pay me $350 desu
>>107533414Of course. I went with a 4080 Super too because the price vs performance benefit of the 4090 was ridiculous at that time. Still more than enough to drive my 4k OLED and look pretty, specially for older and indie games where I can get native 4k and high FPS.
>>107531192>90% of 4ch won't be able to afford to upgrade their PC in the coming years.I dont think most of us will need to upgrade to be on part with the nextgen. I'm not talking about thinkpad trannies of course.
>>107533236>overpriced siliconNot overpriced. The manufacturing process is extremely expensive and it can do more than a shooting gun
>>107533346>>the freedom to upgrade or replace any part of their hardwareYeah . Yea yea... Console players can also upgrade from a ps4 to a ps5. Now don't tell me that you build a pc and plan to upgrade it soon. Usually, bc builders make something that will last them for a decade. If you upgrade your gpu, you'll most likely have to upgrade your psu too. If you want another motherboard, you'll most likely want another cpu and ram.>the freedom to purchase their games from any licenser, rather than being limited to Microsoft-licensed software on Xbox, Sony-licensed software on PlayStation, and Nintendo-licensed software on NintendoWe all buy from steam in the end>the freedom to play games with their preferred settings, with any aspect ratio they like, any resolution they like, and any framerate cap they likeConsole players don't have to worry about settings, they only have 2. One looks good and has 60fps, the other looks better and has 30fps. In pc, only high settings with max textures look good
>>107534108it's certainly overpriced thanks to limited chip factory and hardware manufacturers making it braindead easy to do anti consumer practices thanks to monopoly all over the placecompanies with endless off shore money investing in meme tech certainly doesn't help, good thing these corpos with infinite money don't attempt to buy all the bread in market. imagine getting outpriced from buying breads
>>107533363>15 games * $60 each = 900>The console costs $500 max>900+500=1300>3000
>>107533390>Parasite EveWhat the fuck is this piece of shit
>>107523203'ick on 'eck
>>107533390based
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>>107533458Game runs like shit on pc too. It's too cpu heavy
>>107534172>150 * 60 = 9000:^)
>>107534255OP literally has the solution, stop buying cheap hardware, brute force it. My 9800X3D has zero problems.
>>107533489>paying $1000+ for w a gpu to play older and indie pixelated games>games that are literally pixels and somehow require 2gb ram, meanwhile half life 1 needed 128mb
>>107534267You'll never even play 150 games in your entire life
>>107534255it's still spiderman lol. who tf wants to play that
>>107534275What a great idea! Let me just give ALL my money! Just give it ALL away, what a brilliant idea
>>107533236you've gotta be kidding me. I don't get why you cannot understand what he is saying. Is it justify your dog shit hobbies? You'll get far more use out of a computer then out of a fucking car or a gun. Unless you live in a third world shithole. You could even if he wanted go buy a gun and shoot at the range every so often even as a neet. Cars are different though people will spend over the course of a fucking year 10s of thousands just for there shitholer car when they could just buy a car that lasts them for 20+ years.
>>107534310there is a difference between spending 1000 bucks and 3000 bucks when it comes to pc gamingone of them gets to keep 2000 bucks while the other burns down their house
>>107534351>one of them gets to keep 2000 buckslol not the car hobbyist you retard nor the gun hobbyist. With the prices specially for car parts additions etc.
>>107534475bruh there is a good chance you played less video games than me considering you got offended by what i saidi don't get what you are trying to defend? yes anon that sand is worth thousands of dollars.no anon that enormous hulking car is actually not worth the price.sounds deranged doesn't it?
>>107534490>bruhPlease kill yourself zoomer nigger. You don't know shit!
>>107534147>Yeah . Yea yea... Console players can also upgrade from a ps4 to a ps5Lol, that's replacing the entire device without carrying over your existing drive. On PC you can upgrade just your RAM if you wish, or just your GPU, or just your CPU, etc.>We all buy from steam in the endNot true.>Console players don't have to worry about settingsSo how do you play console games in 16:10, 21:9, or even 4:3 nowadays? You can't.
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I don't get why people so upset with 2k pricing for a high end GPU. If you are a grown man and it's your hobby it's nothing. For 2k you can get: an entry level bicycle, a midrange camera without a lens, a decent guitar kit, some midrange AVR for a home theater. And it's nowhere close to expensive shit. You don't need to buy it but there is nothing wrong with spending money on it.
>>107534529>So how do you play console games in 16:10, 21:9, or even 4:3 nowadays? You can't. why would you want to? Nobody buys a console and then buys a 21:9 monitor to use on it.
>>107534852Why would I want to be unable to?
>>107534529>how do you play console games in 16:10The tv can stretch the image
>>107534899>stretchNon-square pixels on a flat panel are a terrible idea, and everything in the game will just look horizontally squished. Here's a perfect circle for instance, initially drawn in a 16:9 image that has now been stretched to 16:10. That ain't no circle no more.
>>107534940>>107534940Immersion downAccuracy up
>>107534629>There is nothing wrong with consooming
>>107534940That's a circle
>>107534992Nope, that's an oval.
>>107535004I can hardly tell the difference
>>107535023Nigga it is 11% taller than it is wide. How can you not tell?
>>107535108It hardly matters
>>107534855>console games are all 16:9>buys a 21:9 monitor anyway and cries about itonly retards buy meme monitors anyway
>>107527275assuming you aren't shitposting, you can just install steam os and get a console like experience but with good performance.
>>1075351904:3 isn't a meme. There are very few games worth playing that lack any sort of 4:3 support.
>>107535245Funny how most 16:9 ratios have a 70-80 FOV
>>107535239>with good performanceAll the YouTube videos I see are full of trouble and no performance gain
>>107535190I prefer 32:9 and setting the window size for the specific game, so I can have different tools and utilities within viewing distance.
>>107527318imagine being so retarded you claim people make 6k usd in third world shitholes to "win" an internet argument holy shit.
>>107535272idk what troubles you're talking about, but what do you mean by performance gain? a good pc with steam os will definitely run and look much better than any console.
>>107523203Or, you can spend $700 on a second hand AM4/3070/16GB setup that gets roughly double the fps on the same settingsAnd pay $3 for games
>>107535004>>107534992There is a better example of stretching here >>107534966
>>107523232Doesn't that piece of shit console cost 699 now?
>>107535399What about steam os vs windows os?
>>107523203I built one for ~1300 CAD a while back (4070 super + 13400, prices were/are stupidly insane in canada). I think I more than made up the difference with all the pirating I did.
>>107535649about the same performance, but some games which have spyware level anti cheat won't run at all.
>>107534973Its true though. You're just poor.
>>107535386In my shithole we do make 4k usd
>>107536608>neet thinks he is rich for misspending his allowance
