Is the dark web overrated if you don't want to do anything illegal?
Overrated by whomst?
>>107524769Don't use that, very easy to track you, it's cia backdoored and glowie funded. Look up who made it.If you're serious about privacy, I would suggest a good VPN such as Hola or Tuxler.
>>107524769tor underated (hidden gem)
>>107524769The real fucking monsters aren't operating on /tor all that redroom and pedo shit on there is mostly zog vs zog honeypots catching each other and occasional retarded normiecattle, actual normies on the clearnet are 1000% more fucking depraved and sick and just operate with impunity on shit like telegram, in the case of CSAM most of the producers are browns from the: DPRK, chinksectopia, streetshitterstan, ragheadland, and tranny and furry groups where they just openly trade this shit, we're talking millions of images and videos produced by just the troons and furfags alone and i dont just mean drawn shit either, a common tactic for furfags is to put a fursuit head on a child and record fucking them to put out csam, and if you ever see furrys posting or an imageboard of a child character on their back with their feet in the air and legs open with a nintendo switch in their hands or a tablet, this is an open tell to signal to other pedophiles that they are in the "club"
i only use tor to get on the pirate bay
>>107524769It is interesting to visit some dark web forums and see people discuss fraud or scamming strategies and things like that with the same casual vibe as if they were talking about a videogame or a cooking recipe. The common mental image of a scammer is that they are this moustache twirling, smirking villain, when reality is that most just don't pay any mind about the people they might be harming at all and, to them, the things they do are nothing out of the ordinary.It puts into perspective that people like that exist and that most of the politicians and powerful people we think of as evil are probably just like that too. They don't do things with malice in mind, they just don't care. To them, harming someone IRL is probably equivalent to what a regular person feels when they kill some fodder NPC enemies in a game.
>>107524769Tor is dead. 99% of the links are dead. And when a site still exists, nobody visits it anymore anyway so it's dead. All imageboards on Tor are totally dead, last posts are from several months ago and they often are just spam.There are hundreds of thousands of onions for illegal stuff however, probably all honeypots or scam by the way, and search engines will display these whatever you search for, so much that it is very suspicious, they obviously are paid (sponsored) to display these in unrelated searches.In the end I use Tor as a proxy to visit clearnet websites that are blocked in my country. Every time I want to take a look at some interesting onions I find only dead links and I often eventually end up by mistake on some illegal onion because the description was misleading, hurry closing the tab and freak out because the police may think that I purposely visited it.If Tor could really make you anonymous, govs would obviously make it illegal instead of sponsoring it.
>>107527033It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business.In the end their goal is just to make money, and nefarious means are just that, a mean. No surprise theyd take it casually.Hell, I'm pretty sure cybercrime and ransomware gangs do casual team talks and stuff like sprints and dailies just like any other software corporation.
>>107527033Yes, the justification is that if you're stupid enough to get scammed, then you deserve to get scammed.
>>107527477>In the end their goal is just to make money, and nefarious means are just that, a mean. No surprise theyd take it casually.But the way we get raised in the west is by getting told that doing bad things is not worth it because, even if you don't get caught, you will still feel the weight and shame of it on your soul and slowly erode you. And I'm not talking about crimes here, I'm talking even about minor things like benign lies. We are raised to think this way and we naturally believe that it applies to everyone. However, reality is that there are plenty of people out there who truly don't care and will never feel anything particularly negative or shameful about doing bad things. These people will gravitate towards doing those bad actions because there is a permanent "market gap" caused by regular people not being able to endure the mental effects of it, making these actions much more profitable than they would otherwise be (per example, if a lot of people went into scamming, people would become more aware about scams and how to avoid them and the profitability of scamming as an activity would decrease).It is important to interiorize this fact if you don't want to become an easily exploited fool and want to understand the way many people and entities function and why systems slowly erode away unless you make sure that there are no morally wrong activities you can do to get a shortcut to the top, as the people that get there will be ones that don't care about anything but themselves to their deepest, truest level.
>>107527498You can use those mental gymnastics for very stupid and simple ways of scamming, but not to more complex scams or other harmful things like hacking where the desired outcome is to be able to extract money out of anyone/anywhere regardless of how well prepared they are. You have to genuinely not care about the consequences your actions have on other people to get really good at the latter.
No, it's not overrated. There are some cool soulful chatrooms on there which are just cozy spaces that aren't interested in partaking in illegal activity. And some blogs and classic webrings that feel like the early internet since search engines on there are useless, so sites link to other sites.
>>107524912who the fuck do you think invented the internet?i know someone who worked on the TOR project.she was from norway, and thought people like you were retarded.
Know that if you look for illegal material TOR or VPN+TOR will NOT protect you. Feds have ways to break through all that.
Probably, but in my country everything is slowly becoming illegal so there's no alternative really.>>107524912Honestly, it's all backdoor-ed, these just allow you to work around your government's filters and censorship when whistleblowing about genocide. The CIA probably use it for this specific purpose. >>107527810Nothing to lose then, I'm already a dead man walking. It just gets me around their filters. There is nothing I do on the internet that is technically legal because the laws have become absurd. In fact, the laws are just now making it illegal for anybody not an elite to make a proper living. Add AI to this and it's essentially becoming a way to work around an AI hivemind that is evolving.
All this surveillance makes you wonder how there is millions of dollars being exchanged for real CP. But then you see that laws are allowing police and other government services to exploit them guilt free and it makes sense - it's how they are funding themselves now.
Reminder that even if you behave, your laws will destroy you eventually.If you're old and that impedes on some corporations' profit margin somewhere and they're able to profile you through big data - you better believe they will set traps and target you to get rid of you. So anonymization is not just preferred. It's absolutely necessary now for our society to function at all without people just being killed left right and center for merely existing. All credit systems, hierarchies, lists, inequalities should be abolished to prevent genocide. Watch as that never happens.
>>107527810>don't read the snowden leaks btw
>>107524769Im pretty sure. Its slow as fuck and if you relly wanna be anonymous lots of sites wont even work with things turned off. Youve got to be doing something fucked up if you're gonna put up with that bullshit.
Explain. Overrated based on what and by who? fpbp >>107524772I like gopher and gemini. Regarding retarded privacy alternatives, hypha and I2P
>>107524769If exposing government corruption is illegal then so what? It's the right thing to do.
>>107527990>snowdenis a glowie himself, the goal of that story was to distract people with stuff of little importance to hide the real important shit our elites do. "People, here are the most hidden secret : spying agencies spy on you!!!! So just forget about the rest, it doesn't exist."
>>107524912>Don't use the decentralized, open source solution that anyone can join and contribute to, and has been studied intensively by thousands of security researchers worldwide.>If you're serious about privacy, use this paid VPN company #2976 that nobody's ever heard of!
>>107527810>Feds have ways to break through all that.Every time someone got deanonymized, it was either the result of bad opsec, or a targeted, months-long investigation that cost millions of dollars to carry out. They don't have a simple "backtrace" button they can just click to deanonymize Tor activity. It takes work and time, and it's an error-prone process. That's why it makes glowniggers seethe when people use Tor and why they send shills like you to spread misinformation and muddle the waters.
>>107528580Thanks for calling this out. Idk anything about Tor really, but I hate when people do this for things like outdated OS = instahacked.
>>107527033Oh you mean like any conversation within earshot of two indians / jews / blacks / browns/ chinks?
>>107528359t. retard
>>107527698>>107527869kek, you would get more meaningful information from the fucking Uncensored Library project in minecraft.
>>107524912yes, Tor is a US intel programyes, Tor is still the best option you have, because its purpose is to provide secure cover for overseas US intel operativesif Tor exit nodes are sufficiently compromised to defeat the network's security in of itself, then everything else is too
>>107524769literally honeypotbut the main purpose is to enable undercover agents in countries with strict internet censorship to make contact their supervisor (which is glow in the dark)
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>>107524769What can you do on tor, that you cant do anywhere else? I dont see a use for it anymore. It peaked at silkroad.
>>107529833whose proxy are you using that's as reliable as one provided by Tor?
>>107524769The shithole I live in has lots of bad actors running free, so there's a high probability of being doxxed, harassed, or worse. I know Tor probably wouldn't offer much protection either, but I think it will create hurdles to jump through to access it.
>>107529857Anon is configuring his uTorrent to use Tor as a proxy (since Tor runs locally on port 9050 usually).Personally, since it's just torrenting it's not really a big deal either way, but if I was concerned about IP leaks, I would just run uTorrent from inside a Whonix workstation, because that will prevent any and all leaky program behavior from de-anonymizing you. >>107529855People still use it for that, anon. Silk Road may be gone but there are other sites being used for the exact same thing, and are just as active as Silk Road was.
>>107524769Lately it's become one of the last places on the internet without AI. Even with all the scammers and literal criminal thirdies it's unironically saner than anything on clearweb. Just lurk dread or pitch or any flforum for a few hours. Then check 4chan, reddit, Twitter or hackernews. It'll make you sad
Do you guys any good search engine or index page?
>>107524769Extremely. Slow, cumbersome, boring, basically empty. Anything that was interesting is long since dead, whether from users leaving or being spammed with CP.
>>107529953>uTorrentwhy this specific client?
Why do countries with no freedom of speech whatsoever like Germany and UK, where you are arrested for calling someone fat, or like USA that spies the hell out of everybody, or like France where freaking cartoon-porn websites are DNS-blocked and ISPs are required to store all the activities of their clients for ten years, don't even try to ban and block Tor?
>>107530342f-ck (You), this why>>107530898dont care, tor gives free IP and domen_name
>>107530898Those shitholes are aiming those bans at normie retards and those types are too dumb to use tor
>>107528665Are you retarded? How on earth can you conflate the two? There are countless YouTube videos of people connecting old OS's like Windows 2000 to the Internet and getting insta hacked because of worms.
>>107529831>the main purpose is to enable undercover agents(...)This excuse is obviously false and ridiculous. I'm just a jobless loser and without thinking much I can give you less suspicious ways for them to communicate than using Tor:They own a website that looks normal and legit, like a small forum about video games, which is really that, but which real purpose is to be a hidden way to communicate. They purposely enter three wrong passwords to login to that forum, which looks totally innocent, the websites just displays "wrong password", but server-side something happens, this username entering these three particular wrong passwords had a meaning. The "fake" website sends the "translated signal" home. Perfectly not suspicious.Variant: the three wrong passwords on that username makes the website display a different page than usual, a hidden chat page, with document uploading features and all, so the agent can communicate directly. It works only once though, so if the enemy tries it again, the website just displays "wrong password".Another idea is to post a comment on something like a certain youtube video. There were several predetermined comments, all looking perfectly normal but with each a hidden meaning.
>>107524912>serious about private>shills lolworthy vpns>>107529831>literal>has nothingget back into the gas chamber, officer
>>107524912>I would suggest a good VPN such as Hola or TuxlerYeah because that's a better idea
>>107527342>All imageboards on Tor are totally dead, last posts are from several months ago and they often are just spam.Lol nope. Lurk more.
