Overrated by whomst?

>>107524769
Don't use that, very easy to track you, it's cia backdoored and glowie funded. Look up who made it.
If you're serious about privacy, I would suggest a good VPN such as Hola or Tuxler.

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>>107524769
tor underated (hidden gem)

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>>107524769
The real fucking monsters aren't operating on /tor all that redroom and pedo shit on there is mostly zog vs zog honeypots catching each other and occasional retarded normiecattle, actual normies on the clearnet are 1000% more fucking depraved and sick and just operate with impunity on shit like telegram, in the case of CSAM most of the producers are browns from the: DPRK, chinksectopia, streetshitterstan, ragheadland, and tranny and furry groups where they just openly trade this shit, we're talking millions of images and videos produced by just the troons and furfags alone and i dont just mean drawn shit either, a common tactic for furfags is to put a fursuit head on a child and record fucking them to put out csam, and if you ever see furrys posting or an imageboard of a child character on their back with their feet in the air and legs open with a nintendo switch in their hands or a tablet, this is an open tell to signal to other pedophiles that they are in the "club"

i only use tor to get on the pirate bay

>>107524769
It is interesting to visit some dark web forums and see people discuss fraud or scamming strategies and things like that with the same casual vibe as if they were talking about a videogame or a cooking recipe.
The common mental image of a scammer is that they are this moustache twirling, smirking villain, when reality is that most just don't pay any mind about the people they might be harming at all and, to them, the things they do are nothing out of the ordinary.
It puts into perspective that people like that exist and that most of the politicians and powerful people we think of as evil are probably just like that too. They don't do things with malice in mind, they just don't care. To them, harming someone IRL is probably equivalent to what a regular person feels when they kill some fodder NPC enemies in a game.

>>107524769
Tor is dead. 99% of the links are dead. And when a site still exists, nobody visits it anymore anyway so it's dead. All imageboards on Tor are totally dead, last posts are from several months ago and they often are just spam.
There are hundreds of thousands of onions for illegal stuff however, probably all honeypots or scam by the way, and search engines will display these whatever you search for, so much that it is very suspicious, they obviously are paid (sponsored) to display these in unrelated searches.

In the end I use Tor as a proxy to visit clearnet websites that are blocked in my country. Every time I want to take a look at some interesting onions I find only dead links and I often eventually end up by mistake on some illegal onion because the description was misleading, hurry closing the tab and freak out because the police may think that I purposely visited it.

If Tor could really make you anonymous, govs would obviously make it illegal instead of sponsoring it.

>>107527033
It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business.
In the end their goal is just to make money, and nefarious means are just that, a mean. No surprise theyd take it casually.
Hell, I'm pretty sure cybercrime and ransomware gangs do casual team talks and stuff like sprints and dailies just like any other software corporation.

>>107527033
Yes, the justification is that if you're stupid enough to get scammed, then you deserve to get scammed.

>>107527477
>In the end their goal is just to make money, and nefarious means are just that, a mean. No surprise theyd take it casually.
But the way we get raised in the west is by getting told that doing bad things is not worth it because, even if you don't get caught, you will still feel the weight and shame of it on your soul and slowly erode you. And I'm not talking about crimes here, I'm talking even about minor things like benign lies. We are raised to think this way and we naturally believe that it applies to everyone.
However, reality is that there are plenty of people out there who truly don't care and will never feel anything particularly negative or shameful about doing bad things. These people will gravitate towards doing those bad actions because there is a permanent "market gap" caused by regular people not being able to endure the mental effects of it, making these actions much more profitable than they would otherwise be (per example, if a lot of people went into scamming, people would become more aware about scams and how to avoid them and the profitability of scamming as an activity would decrease).
It is important to interiorize this fact if you don't want to become an easily exploited fool and want to understand the way many people and entities function and why systems slowly erode away unless you make sure that there are no morally wrong activities you can do to get a shortcut to the top, as the people that get there will be ones that don't care about anything but themselves to their deepest, truest level.

>>107527498
You can use those mental gymnastics for very stupid and simple ways of scamming, but not to more complex scams or other harmful things like hacking where the desired outcome is to be able to extract money out of anyone/anywhere regardless of how well prepared they are. You have to genuinely not care about the consequences your actions have on other people to get really good at the latter.

No, it's not overrated. There are some cool soulful chatrooms on there which are just cozy spaces that aren't interested in partaking in illegal activity. And some blogs and classic webrings that feel like the early internet since search engines on there are useless, so sites link to other sites.

>>107524912
who the fuck do you think invented the internet?
i know someone who worked on the TOR project.
she was from norway, and thought people like you were retarded.

Know that if you look for illegal material TOR or VPN+TOR will NOT protect you. Feds have ways to break through all that.

Probably, but in my country everything is slowly becoming illegal so there's no alternative really.

>>107524912
Honestly, it's all backdoor-ed, these just allow you to work around your government's filters and censorship when whistleblowing about genocide. The CIA probably use it for this specific purpose.

>>107527810
Nothing to lose then, I'm already a dead man walking. It just gets me around their filters. There is nothing I do on the internet that is technically legal because the laws have become absurd. In fact, the laws are just now making it illegal for anybody not an elite to make a proper living. Add AI to this and it's essentially becoming a way to work around an AI hivemind that is evolving.

All this surveillance makes you wonder how there is millions of dollars being exchanged for real CP. But then you see that laws are allowing police and other government services to exploit them guilt free and it makes sense - it's how they are funding themselves now.

Reminder that even if you behave, your laws will destroy you eventually.
If you're old and that impedes on some corporations' profit margin somewhere and they're able to profile you through big data - you better believe they will set traps and target you to get rid of you.

So anonymization is not just preferred. It's absolutely necessary now for our society to function at all without people just being killed left right and center for merely existing.
All credit systems, hierarchies, lists, inequalities should be abolished to prevent genocide.
Watch as that never happens.

>>107527810
>don't read the snowden leaks btw

>>107524769
Im pretty sure. Its slow as fuck and if you relly wanna be anonymous lots of sites wont even work with things turned off. Youve got to be doing something fucked up if you're gonna put up with that bullshit.

Explain. Overrated based on what and by who? fpbp >>107524772
I like gopher and gemini. Regarding retarded privacy alternatives, hypha and I2P

>>107524769
If exposing government corruption is illegal then so what? It's the right thing to do.

>>107527990
>snowden
is a glowie himself, the goal of that story was to distract people with stuff of little importance to hide the real important shit our elites do. "People, here are the most hidden secret : spying agencies spy on you!!!! So just forget about the rest, it doesn't exist."

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>>107524912
>Don't use the decentralized, open source solution that anyone can join and contribute to, and has been studied intensively by thousands of security researchers worldwide.
>If you're serious about privacy, use this paid VPN company #2976 that nobody's ever heard of!

>>107527810
>Feds have ways to break through all that.
Every time someone got deanonymized, it was either the result of bad opsec, or a targeted, months-long investigation that cost millions of dollars to carry out. They don't have a simple "backtrace" button they can just click to deanonymize Tor activity. It takes work and time, and it's an error-prone process. That's why it makes glowniggers seethe when people use Tor and why they send shills like you to spread misinformation and muddle the waters.

>>107528580
Thanks for calling this out. Idk anything about Tor really, but I hate when people do this for things like outdated OS = instahacked.

>>107527033
Oh you mean like any conversation within earshot of two indians / jews / blacks / browns/ chinks?

>>107528359
t. retard

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>>107527698
>>107527869
kek, you would get more meaningful information from the fucking Uncensored Library project in minecraft.

>>107524912
yes, Tor is a US intel program
yes, Tor is still the best option you have, because its purpose is to provide secure cover for overseas US intel operatives
if Tor exit nodes are sufficiently compromised to defeat the network's security in of itself, then everything else is too

>>107524769
literally honeypot

but the main purpose is to enable undercover agents in countries with strict internet censorship to make contact their supervisor (which is glow in the dark)

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>>107524769
What can you do on tor, that you cant do anywhere else? I dont see a use for it anymore. It peaked at silkroad.

>>107529833
whose proxy are you using that's as reliable as one provided by Tor?

>>107524769
The shithole I live in has lots of bad actors running free, so there's a high probability of being doxxed, harassed, or worse. I know Tor probably wouldn't offer much protection either, but I think it will create hurdles to jump through to access it.

>>107529857
Anon is configuring his uTorrent to use Tor as a proxy (since Tor runs locally on port 9050 usually).
Personally, since it's just torrenting it's not really a big deal either way, but if I was concerned about IP leaks, I would just run uTorrent from inside a Whonix workstation, because that will prevent any and all leaky program behavior from de-anonymizing you.
>>107529855
People still use it for that, anon. Silk Road may be gone but there are other sites being used for the exact same thing, and are just as active as Silk Road was.

>>107524769
Lately it's become one of the last places on the internet without AI. Even with all the scammers and literal criminal thirdies it's unironically saner than anything on clearweb. Just lurk dread or pitch or any fl
forum for a few hours. Then check 4chan, reddit, Twitter or hackernews. It'll make you sad

Do you guys any good search engine or index page?

>>107524769
Extremely. Slow, cumbersome, boring, basically empty. Anything that was interesting is long since dead, whether from users leaving or being spammed with CP.

>>107529953
>uTorrent
why this specific client?

Why do countries with no freedom of speech whatsoever like Germany and UK, where you are arrested for calling someone fat, or like USA that spies the hell out of everybody, or like France where freaking cartoon-porn websites are DNS-blocked and ISPs are required to store all the activities of their clients for ten years, don't even try to ban and block Tor?

>>107530342
f-ck (You), this why
>>107530898
dont care, tor gives free IP and domen_name

>>107530898
Those shitholes are aiming those bans at normie retards and those types are too dumb to use tor

>>107528665
Are you retarded? How on earth can you conflate the two? There are countless YouTube videos of people connecting old OS's like Windows 2000 to the Internet and getting insta hacked because of worms.

>>107529831
>the main purpose is to enable undercover agents(...)
This excuse is obviously false and ridiculous. I'm just a jobless loser and without thinking much I can give you less suspicious ways for them to communicate than using Tor:
They own a website that looks normal and legit, like a small forum about video games, which is really that, but which real purpose is to be a hidden way to communicate. They purposely enter three wrong passwords to login to that forum, which looks totally innocent, the websites just displays "wrong password", but server-side something happens, this username entering these three particular wrong passwords had a meaning. The "fake" website sends the "translated signal" home. Perfectly not suspicious.
Variant: the three wrong passwords on that username makes the website display a different page than usual, a hidden chat page, with document uploading features and all, so the agent can communicate directly. It works only once though, so if the enemy tries it again, the website just displays "wrong password".
Another idea is to post a comment on something like a certain youtube video. There were several predetermined comments, all looking perfectly normal but with each a hidden meaning.

>>107524912
>serious about private
>shills lolworthy vpns
>>107529831
>literal
>has nothing
get back into the gas chamber, officer

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>>107524912
>I would suggest a good VPN such as Hola or Tuxler

Yeah because that's a better idea

>>107527342
>All imageboards on Tor are totally dead, last posts are from several months ago and they often are just spam.
Lol nope. Lurk more.

>>107526928
isn't that risky af
>called tor
>can't actually use it to torrent

>>107533174
you can use it to torrent

>>107533174
No, it's not risky, just slow and potentially harmful to the network because you're using limited bandwidth from volunteers to download petabytes of hentai or whatever.

>>107525972
>>107526620
The hell's that?

>>107533210
>potentially harmful
no. denial of service attacks are way more harmful. that kind of wasted bandwidth makes torrent users look like they're sharing 100kb text files. get a grip, motherfucker lmao.

>>107533227
well you'll have to ask the official Tor project guys why they discourage people form using it to torrent then

>>107533234
their main issue is the risk of users being able to be deanonymized by shit clients and misconfigurations, then bandwidth concerns. tor project have bigger problems to deal with, such as trying to keep ahead with the software to prevent further denial of service attacks to try and cripple the network and targeting directory authorities

>>107524769
Haven't used TOR since 2018, there isn't much interesti material there

>>107527698
>who the fuck do you think invented the internet
historically everything what we have today is originating from Nikola Tesla.

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>>107524912
>it's cia backdoored and glowie funded
Says (((you)))

> MONERO
> Tor
> i2pd (with qbittorrent for torrenting)
> gpg

F R E E D O M --- S T A C K

Sure, just hope that something you do doesn't one day become illegal.
Or simply declared as immoral in the court of general public opinion.
Would be a shame, since your online activities are easily accessible.
Not just by the govt/feds, even if you believe them to be the good guys.

>>107535881
"we cant have people economically independant from the system! we need them to live in shitty apartment buildings working 2 jobs so we can tax the shit out of them to pay for all these pensioners and welfare recipients!"

>get fucked loser!

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>>107524769
The problem with cryptographic technologies is that they will always have vulnerabilities and that's if such a technology isn't a honeypot to begin with. Just like how a lock can be picked.

Only VPN servers can truly conceal your identity as you are quite literally connecting to a different internet connection and using it virtually but of course not all VPN servers are safe to use (depending on your usage). VPN servers come with different benefits depending on the company hosting them and the country in which the company is based in. Obviously you should not use servers from mainstream Western companies that are advertised to normies for illegal shit. Those servers are only good for bypassing georestrictions.

If you really want anonymity ideally you should use a Mysterium node but even with those you should check the ISP because anybody could be hosting it. Statistically speaking there has to be some run by the feds. If it's run by a standard ISP you should be safe but if it's run by some random company posing as a (lets say) business ISP then there's good chance it's a front. Just use your own judgement.

Truthfully there's no reason to be anonymous on the internet unless you are doing some shady shit. Whether you are selling drugs, leaking classified information or producing certain type of taboo content. Perhaps you're Walter White on the run in need of some ultra secure messaging solution. If you are going to use Tor - never do so without a VPN. You are bound to connect to a compromised exit node. I assume it's the same case for Lokinet as it's built on pretty much the same technology.

>>107533108
>Lol nope. Lurk more.
Share addresses or at least names.

its slow as fuck and facebook is better for buying drugs
idk about pedo shit im not into that

it's gov funded
that's all you need to know

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dont care, tor gives free IP and domen_name

>>107536916
>facebook is better for buying drugs
hello officer

/b/ used to have threads where anons would dump images of unique and beautiful sinks (the plumbing fixture) and a decade later was when I found out those images had CP embedded in them.

>>107524912
Tuxler is not working for me, all the IP's seem rangebanned

There is always something interesting there you can't find on the so-called surface web. In both speed and content, it was like the 90s Internet. It was way better before 2013 when Freedom Hosting got taken down. A lot of pedo shit was removed, but some good and interesting stuff went with it unfortunately. I'd waste a lot of time on the "Questions and Answers Game" and there were a number of social networks. Though probably a load of shit, the "Human Experiment" site was still pretty creepy.
These days, I mostly use it for the Library of Trantor and Just Another Library (though I think this one is now offline) to get free books, which is not exactly law-abiding because of the piracy, but it's not drugs, guns, or pedo porn.

On the topic of Freedom Hosting, does anybody really believe it was run by one man and wasn't a honeypot? I find it hard to believe, given how many Tor hidden services were hosted on it for FREE, with as many DBs as you wanted and an FTP service, and the most you got in terms of restriction was a mild mannered warning on the homepage about not using too much disk space and bandwidth. Also, the only way to contact the owner was a link to a thread on Onionforum which had shut down a few years before Freedom Hosting finally went under.

>>107524769
yes. stay away.

>>107524912
Replies to this are insane. Little reminder that this guy is right about Tor, idk about his vpn rec. but the people shilling Tor are trying to deceive. Tor has been compromised for over a decade and just using it puts a huge target on your back.

>>107524769
There is no dark web. Just shady sites that exist. It's not like there is a special part of the internet that just has all sorts of nefarious shit on it apart from the actual internet. It's the fucking internet. There's black jack and hookers, but also videos of cats.

>>107526757
>, we're talking millions of images and videos produced by just the troons and furfags alone and i dont just mean drawn shit either
I nearly started gagging on my toung after reading that. The underaged troons make it of themselves since they require validation from the pedos since the people in their lives refuse to give it to them.

>>107540733
At 20m loc, something in the Linux Kernel is backdoored too!

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>>107524912
Tuxler as in A-DOS Tuxler??

>>107524769
>Slow as shit
>Useless for general browsing
>Filled with Spam
>Not even fucking secure

What is the point of it again?

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>>107536916
Pretty sure pedoshit is ironically more prevalent on the clear web. I recall some graph showing that the vast majority of it was shared around facebook

>>107539056
Images embed in other images? I'm curious how this works.

the tech is cool but there's no point unless you're a dissident