>UK House of Lords to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16https://alecmuffett.com/article/134925https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46236738
>>107527331Oh no! No more 12 year olds shitting up the internet? Say it aint so!
you know when you don't understand how things work (the uk house of lords can't actually ban anything on its own), you end up sounding a moron, even if you're making a good point
>>107527331>People try to use VPN to avoid British ID checks >Government requires ID checks for VPNSneaky shits
>>107527929You're bloody right Rakesh these goddamn yanks are just a bunch of poofters I dare say
More like the house of Jeets
>Run this nonfree program to verify your age for this VPN or you're locked outbasically this
>>107528128More like house of retards.
>>107527976just double layer VPNs, only the entry one has your ID, becoming a layer 2 ISP effectively
>>107527331ban my dick, niggie boy
>>107529501i would say VPNs are a mandatory think in the UK actually.
can we use this thread to talk about how we can actually prevent under 16 year olds from social media?as a father i'm personally in favour of banning social media for these groups as the malicious algorithms are designed to maximize engagement can lead to things like anxiety etc for adolescents and ultimately fries their attention spans
>>107529596>can we use this thread to talk about how we can actually prevent under 16 year olds from social media?buy a rope. tie one end on a metal surface. tie the other end on your neck. jump from a high place with the rope around your neck.
well, it's worth it to stamp out child pornor terrorism, or radicalisation, or whatever this will stamp out
>>107529596should have thought about that before you had a kid, it's your problem, be a damn parent
>>107527331>Knock knockWho's there?>The sinkThe sink who>The sinking of western civilization. It's over, the west has fallen
>>107529596Parental controls already exist, retard
>>107527331it's funny seeing how much this triggers trannies and groomers
>>107527976Yup, this is what it's really about. The 16 age is totally irrelevant, it's just a way to get everyone to hand over their ID regardless of whether they use a VPN or not.The funny thing is that it might just cause tech-savvy teens to use the darkweb for their adult content instead, which can be much worse.
>>107527331first comment>"The “CSAM requirement” is that any relevant device supplied for use in the UK must have installed tamper-proof system software which is highly effective at preventing the recording, transmitting (by any means, including livestreaming) and viewing of CSAM using that device.">"Regulations under subsection (1) must enable the Secretary of State, by further regulations, to expand the definition of ‘relevant devices’ to include other categories of device which may be used to record, transmit or view CSAM"lmao what. britbongs wat r u doin
>>107529848do you want windows recall on your refrigerator? because this >>107529971 is how you get windows recall on your toaster oven.
>>107527929Retard, they've suggested amendments to the bill, which will be debated and voted onOne of the amendments bans VPNs to under-18sAnother requires smart devices to be shipped with software that prevents the device from storing kiddie porn images, they're probably imagining that AI can just magically do thishttps://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3909/stages/20215/amendments/10027476
>>107529971This bill would have to clear the commons where it would get immediately shot down, so the answer is nothing
>>107530516i don't know anything about britpaki politics, but what gives you the confidence to say that it would not pass?
>>107527976I mean you knew it was coming. If I was a britoid I would be renting a VPS in a non-shit country so I could tunnel out
>>107527331kek good luck retards
>>107529596Just be a better father. It's not my responsibility to sacrifice rights so your children can play on the highway.
>>107530569NTA right now Starmer is the most unpopular leader in modern British history and Labour is perpetually two weeks away from having a special election, holding on purely through backroom deals and bribes. Any more boat rocking and this thing comes crashing down. There are so many parties waiting to eat Labour's lunch and each one is gathering an arsenal of charges to bring against Starmer over it. Trying to force this through when the BBC already caught Labour once using the the "BAN TO PROTECT THE CHILLUNS INNIT" laws was to silence critics of Starmer would probably be what they need to run that special election. Btw did you know almost 60% of senior officers are also set to retire this year in Britain? Everyone in authority is bailing out because nobody wants to be a part of this or be put on "mean word patrol".
>>107530569Will all VPNs be located in the UK to comply? How did the fine against 4chan work out?
>>107529596>can we use this thread to talk about how we can actually prevent under 16 year olds from social media?Yeah teach them how to fucking use it and not get abused by it.You wouldn't take a caveman from 10,000 years ago and drop them in modern America. You wouldn't take a Pilgrim from 400 years ago and drop them in New York City. They would get scammed or die. so why are you wanting to do the same thing to your kid? Like it or not, Your kid will have to live with social media the rest of his life. Your kid will have to learn to use a smart phone no matter how long you keep it from him. So do yourself and him a favor and sit down like a parent and teach him how to use it and be safe with it. STop trying to avoid it, be the father you're suppsoed to be and teach him that because an algorithm tells him to look at something, he doesn't need to actually do it. Teach him to roll his own Graphene install and run Linux on his computer. Don't do the equivalent of raising him in the deep woods before setting him loose in the middle of Atlanta and expecting him to not get scammed or robbed. The problem is that we have a parenting issue that no one wants to address, the social media issue is a symptom of the parenting issue. Kids used to be smart enough to leave for the day, go to town with a few bucks, and find their own entertainment. Now, you're here on /g/ telling us how scared you are that they'll see a subversive squiggle on their screen. Man the fuck up.
>>107531634Best they can do is 'ban' every VPN outside of Britain but I would have a better time keeping insects out of my house by writing a sternly worded letter to them and nailing it to my door than they do banning every single VPN on the wider internet that's not in Britain.
They don't need to ban every VPN. Just ban the most popular ones and then run ad campaigns about how VPNs bypass UK protections which give your computer viruses. Russia did an anti vpn campaign and banned them as well.
>>107531634my post wasn't about VPN's, read the first quote again >>107529971this implies some sort of software required by law to intercept all syscall(not even network) data and inspect it for csam.
>>107531623when was the last time the UK had a popular leader? i'm 38 and i can't remember one. what does it matter if your government collapses when they can just put a new old one in?
>>107529971You should be required to explain how it's possible to design software / hardware that can be "highly effective" at doing something that's impossible. How are you going to stop a random digital camera from being used. Every time I take a picture on my APS-C camera it's supposed to detect if its csam on device and then stop it? This is the Australians demanding "encryption but with a backdoor that only the government can use ;)" all over again. People who don't understand tech should not be creating or demanding legislation for it ever.
>>107527976Why would you need an ID check for that? Don't you already need to be at least 16 in order to use a credit/debit card?
If you can't use one under 16, but I'm not under 16 and use one without giving my ID and pic of my asshole, can they prosecute me?
>>107531743"Tamper proof"KEK
/g/ be like
>>107527331Gaylords
>>107527331All countries should ban VPN access to anything but approved corporate sites. Especially to social media where browns keep using a VPN to stir up shit.
>>107527331Pedokike elites trying to get access to children again.You VILL expose your IP address kiddos, just like you VILL expose your tight supple boihole.
>>107531755In 4 years when farage comes inAnd then he'll be a disappointment But at least we got rid of our uniparty, our republican and democrat equivalent parties are literally projected to get under 1/6th of the parliament seats combined
>>107527331>OI M8 U GOT A LOICENSE FOR THAT VPN?
>>107531660This argument would be valid if the whole environment inside those social media sites wasn't completly hostile against your own mind>just teach them to use willpowerthere are literally some of the best trained and best paid psychologist working on making these sides addicting
>>107529596I'm in favor of banning social media for everyone. They're cancer that shouldn't exist.
>>107531797prepaid cards, crypto, cash, etc>>107527331how will politicians keep Timmy safe from the niggers and pedos otherwise?
>>107530264>idea guys in seats of powerkek
>>107529596If you live in a civilised country, then no new law is needed because you already have legal responsibility to keep your children safe and to educate them.Use parental controls, they are available on all devices for at least the past 10 years.The problem is that these parental responsibility laws are not enforced, so you get in a situation where children and adolescents do whatever the fuck they want and expose themselves to predators online.This new nanny state law is just an excuse for restrict your freedoms by authoritarian government retards who appeal to emotion by saying «think of the children». So again, the solution is to just enforce existing laws, no new law needed.
>>107527331corrupts British letftlordsHuezil is next...
>>107531623The "BAN TO PROTECT THE CHILLUNS INNIT" law has like 70% public support, expanding that is probably one of the most popular things they can do.
>>107527331happy birthday son here is a lifetime vpn so your government can't spy on you. this makes you safer online and also israel has a right to exist
>>107527912fpbp... the internet was better when it was 40 year old geezers.
So I buy a VPS instead and install wireshark on it. Same thing.
>>107535003This is the correct solution.
>>107527331>>UK House of Lords to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16>house of lords
It is the duty of every adult (not just the parents!) to introduce, disseminate and encourage sharing of any and all materials of interest, be it information, books, videos, porn, or anything else, to young people and kids. A good parents will get his kid a VPN, teach him how to use TOR and other forms of cryptography and so on. You fight tyranny and censorship with information. Simple as.
>>107529596God forbid you have to watch/teach the kids you make yourself. Faggot
>>107529971>“relevant devices” are smartphones or tablet computers which are either internet-connectable products or network-connectable products for the purposes of section 5 of the Product Security and Telecommunications Infrastructure Act 2022So it's for smartphones and tablets only? What?Something which was already bound to be incredibly ineffective has been hobbled to be even more ineffective, because surely anyone who wants to hide what they're doing will just use a laptop, or a desktop.I think they realised it would be too impractical to force changes to every computer (they can't even keep their own government computers up to date) so they went for phones only, figuring that that is enough surveillance for one day. Oh and I guess slap something about doing it to protect children on the end of the bill or something. Whatever.The Secretary of State can expand to any other device with either a screen, camera, or the ability to transmit, so I guess that clause is just a foot in the door anyway.
>>107530569>but what gives you the confidence to say that it would not pass?NTA. But common sense.The UK .gov doesn't actually make hardware, and arguably a few f'kin webforms doesn't count as software.So for this to work they will need *everyone else* everywhere else to do their dirty work. How they actually going to achieve this?Lets pretend this actually happens - without compromising the presence of the things various alphabet soups want to remain undiscovered - then how is this tangibly achievable? Via what mechanism is "tamper proof" with physical access going to operate? How will the device determine you are watching, viewing(isn't they the same?) or streaming CSAM? What about the literally millions of devices already in the field that do not comply with this?>lmao what.Pretty much.>>107531571>VPS in a non-shit country so I could tunnel outI like to keep one on another backbone. Not the one the peasants, like you, use. Not all things are created equal.I can VPN for USA clients with it, hop the atlantic twice and still deliver content faster than their local ISP. Their internet is *that* shit.
>>107531660>how to fucking use it and not get abused by it.There is no "not get abused by it".They're building a stick to hit you with. Running around seeing how many nails you can cram into it is never going to result in lacking abuse.You might be productive to spend some time thinking about the long term uses for the data collected. If you get near "advertising" then it will be prudent to recall the scale of their global operation for a decade before people started to question the money flow. As well as recall companies like Cambridge Analytica, what happened to them, why, and people they'd previously taken money from, and their next moves...>the social media issue is a symptom of the parenting issueParenting is certainly an issue, but it's a symptom of the retard issue. The retards unable to think about the long term consequences of their actions. The people that made this a problem? They're parents now. They cannot fix the problem, they didn't understand it was a problem when they didn't, and still don't fully grasp the problem they've created now.
>>107531727>run ad campaigns about how VPNs bypass UK protections which give your computer virusesJust like the ones what claim to pretect your HTTPS traffic as it traverses your local network?>>107533230>when farage comes inAint happenin'. There's a lotta dumb racist cunts, sure, but the scale of dumb has limits.>And then he'll be a disappointmentImplying he isn't currently.>>107535003>They're cancer that shouldn't exist.I agree, but it's a tool. They want that tool. It's staying. Same with "AI".>>107538559>and install wireshark on it.To do what, precisely?
>>107527331> hilarious retardation of the government> pushes unenforceable "law"> hilarity ensueshow does the government suppose it will detect these vpn uses eh? just follow the vpn and.... where does it go? where is it from? they don't know. lol fucking idiots.
What's stopping me from just selling VPN access to bongs? I don't care about UK law
>>107540388They cannot make policy. But they can ask for amendments in bills going through the Lords from the main chamber, and that is what they are trying to do.
>>107531623sigh, it feels like every new government's bunch of muppets are worse than the last.
>>107540787>just follow the vpnYes!Just put dye in the intelliwebs toobz.>where does it go? where is it from? they don't know.That's why you use dye, duh...>>107540850Their internet getting even worse might be prohibative
>>107529596How about you try being a parent? Retard.
>>107541552Unfortunately, it's infested to such a scale that being a responsible parent and disallowing use(and enforcing this) is going to be equally detrimental but in other directions. Effort needs to be undertaken to remove underhanded techniques and methodologies from the platforms. I don't see this happening as you've allowed them to tie their profit model to it. So... Smash it all. Start again. Or as they've got away with this shit, they'll be emboldened to try for more.
>>107527331It's time for a bong république
