>free and open source>can run windows binaries>forgotten
>>107527354ReactOS is controlled opposition. Its purposely kept in an eternal broken state. It will never be complete, and that is by design.
>>107527354>free and open source>can r... *crash*
>>107527405>there's a conspiracy to keep react OS bad because uhhwhat a strange, stupid take. have you maybe considered that reimplementing an complex, proprietary OS while not infringing copyright is insanely hard?
>>107527354>can run windows binariesusecase?
>>107527475It could have been re-implemented ten times over by now if it was done right. Its purposely done in such as way to keep it broken and wrong.
>>107527509What's wrong with it other than the instability? Please enlighten me.
>>107527537The entire underlying approach is fundamentally wrong. Firstly, they develop with gcc instead of using msvc. This sets them up to fail right off the bat.Then there is the depth first approach, they develop the entire operating system as a whole, meaning developer effort is spread thin, and the end result is a broken mess then never converges to match windows. They also test the OS as a whole, which means any mistakes on one component is hidden by matching mistakes in other components.An actual ReactOS effort that had been set to succeed would have been developed with msvc, and depth first. They should have developed each component to 100% before touching the next. Each component should work 100% when dropped into windows. And they should be tested individually in windows. Not their method of running the entire thing as a broken mess.
>>107527608Isn't msvc proprietary though? Relying on a nonfree compiler would defeat the entire purpose, which is to create a free (as in freedom) version of NT. I suppose you're right about the other stuff though. That doesn't prove that React OS is controlled opposition though.
>>107527354And no, it's not made using React
>>107527354How hard is it to vertically center icons on the taskbar
>>107527670NT really depends on msvc. gcc lacks the features required to develop NT properly, and as such requires horrible hacky work arounds. Also, this obsession with complete freedom is harmful religious nonsense. The reason people want Reactos is to avoid the horrific changes Microsoft have made to windows. A reactos built with a non-free compiler could still accomplish that goal, whilst a broken mess built with a free compiler won't.
>>107527354>pre-alpha hobby project for 25 yearsWe'd be on the moon if this was on the same level as Linux development.
>>107527745I guess there would have to be a free msvc first, which is probably equally as daunting a task. Also, I don't think it's that crazy to want everything to be free from top to bottom. If you're going to make an open source version of Windows and require a closed source compiler, then why would you use that over the various NT source code leaks that have cropped up over the years?
>>107527354Wine on GNU/Linux is good enough.
>>107527745>gcc lacks the features required to develop NT properly, and as such requires horrible hacky work aroundsI am sure you got an example of this and arent just talking out of your ass.
>>107527475It is hard but the devs are insanely autistic about their "clean room" methodology which makes them somehow lag behind Wine on Linux.
>>107527354>>can run windows binaries
>>107527815Windows uses structured exception handling. This is core mechanism which is used extensively. gcc does not support seh.
>>107527354ReactOS is developed in Russia, lots of westerners are untrusting of software from Russia
Linux has been free for 34 years, people would rather pirate Windows and Microsoft is a 4 trillion dollar company because of that because even when you pirate they get all the sweet telemetry.
>>107527790Are you really comparing using msvc, which is a publicly available compiler you are allowed to use, with a source code leak.
>>107527892
>>107527890the main issue is more that ReactOS is barely compatible with most windows executeables. So the whole OS is pointless and gets absolutely roflstomped by wine+loonix.
>>107527509t. retarded no coder
>>107527911No, I meant using msvc to compile a source code leak.
>>107527890>ok I know this thread is about an OS BUT WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA?nobody cares, gtfo
>>107527999but russia has tigers
Any moment now, some good soul at Microsoft will drop the full source code + documentation for windows 7 and we will be saved forever
>>107528145Even if this happened it would be illegal to redistribute or change it, making it pretty much useless.This is the importance of free software.
>>107528170Just use Tor
>>107527354ReactOS never ever.
>>107528200You think that that would save you from whatever Microsoft would do to see you behind bars? They have infinite money at their disposal.
>>107527354If Microsoft just released Windows XP as free software, things would've been much easier.It still has the power to do this. But alas, IT department stores are still relying on XP and Internet Explorer, despite selling the latest MacBooks and Copilot+ PCs. And people will argue about security concerns if XP was freed.
>>107528221Good luck getting enough people to maintain your shitty illegal Windows fork. Do you think it's as simple as writing malware or cracks?
>>107527946Can we see your code anon?
>>107528241You underestimate our power
>>107527354>can run windows binariesCan it, though?
>>107527890Everyone uses 7zip without giving it a second thought.
>>107527354Ive been using unlicensed windows for 30 years, do you think im going to stop now that there is a shitty free version?
>>107527420/thread
>>107528365Russian developers are good at making efficient minimalist software,
>>107527354FOSS OS that can run Windows binaries...so it's just like Linux?
>>107528576Troonix can't even run MS word kiddo
>>107528572Nah, that's a vague generalization. Russian games tend to be pure bloated jank.
Just use windows 8.1 lmao
>>107527826>the devs are insanely autistic about their "clean room" methodologydevs don't want to go to prisonthat means they are le autistic
>>107529470You can literally just look at the code and implement the same thing but differentlyIt's not like microsoft is watching them 24/7
>>107529507>It's not like microsoft is watching them 24/7They have lots of lawyers keeping track of it.
>bro just use 20 year old leaked codeYes, I'm sure XP code will run 2020s Windows software
>>107527826>>107529507ThisFreetard moralfags need to be castrated and put in camps
>>107527405For the large majority of it's development there wasn't a need for it. Windows up to 7 was acceptable enough that anybody talented would find it hard to justify making a copy of something that already worked fine and would also be incredibly hard to do.
>>107529639I am using windows 7 right now. And I do not find it acceptable. Its barely tolerable. Every day I dream of returning to real windows.
>>107529639To normal people there isn't enough need for it still
>>107527354lintards don't like it because they are legalist license warriors or something.I genuinelly think linux is a corporate psyop, they always shit on other open operating system projects
>>107529706normal "people" can suck my dicktheir opinions are worthless
>retroon OSno thanks
>>107528145didn't the source code already leak?
>>107527354>ReactOSI internally am biased against anything with React in the name.
>>107529679>Every day I dream of returning to real windows.Win2K?>>107531327I haven't seen any troon doing major development for ReactOS.>>107531334No, only the source for WinXP SP1>>107531342Understandable but it was named like that way before the webslop framework was released.
>>107529507what do you think closed source means you utter sperg
>>1075313542K is the pinnacle of course, but XP/2K3 are acceptable as well. You can mostly restore 2K behavior and appearance to XP using various settings, registry edits, and a few patches. But nothing can un-fuck NT6, core functionality was torn out.
>>107527745I have little nice to say about reactOS, but the freedom aspect is one place where they got it right. Windows is shit specifically because is is non-free (libre). You can blame AI, or jeets, or various CEOs or management structures, but the fundamental fact is that its shit because its owned by, and exists for the express benefit of, people that hate you, and I do specifically mean you. Song long as you, and people like you, insist on crawling back like an abused spouse, it will only get worse.>>107527876This is a defect in C itself, not reactOS, because windows isn't written in C, its written in C-with-structured-exceptions, a language that is wholly owned and defined by microsoft, essentially what C# was for most of its life.
>>107529470>devs don't want to go to prisoni thought copyright doesn't existed in russya
>>107528365If 7-zip did naughty shit, it would be found out and called out. It doesn't apparently do naughty shit as of yet so, so far, it's good to go. Its saving grace is that it is open source so you need to do your due diligence and check the source code. You do do this right? You ARE helping others right?
>>107529679Why do you use Windows 7 then?
>>107534184Because literally nothing works on NT5 anymore.
>>107534217I'm sure Wine works for your needs if your intention is to be legacy.
>>107527354mogged by wine
>>107527354Is there anything ReactOS can run that Wine/DXVK/etc. can't?
>>107527354useless, just use arch linux
>>107527354Tell me you are young without telling me you are young.You don't understand what it aimed to do, how it started, what its current state is.
>>107534573ok boomer
>>107527495>usecaseYou twelve year old faggot
>>107534637The generational names and cutoffs are artificial and without basis. But my parents would be boomers by your definition, not me. And you're gen A I guess by that standard. Don't worry little bro, things will make sense to you sooner than later. Probably we will be fucked by 2030 so there isn't much for you to partake in left anyway.
>>107534676You (You) the OP with completely unrelated post which can be basically summarized as>you don't know shit btw did you guys know I'm old?what response did you expect, exactly?
>>107534806True, not sure what I expected.
>>107527509why cant some autist just fix it?
>>107531363The source code's been leaked like 12 times pathetic moralfag kek.
>>107529470>>107531363They can look at something from the Windows source code and rewrite it in their own way with total plausible deniability. Just get the features done.
>>107528365winrar is also russianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Roshal
We could've had free, libre and open source windows 10 by now if not for autistic and pointless license moralfagging
>>107532535It doesn'tIvan is untouchable by Microsoft trannies
>>107535679>>107535730>>107529507>be sued for a gorillion dollars and buttfucked by Tyrone and his gang for 10 years because Microsoft found one of their variable names you forgot to changenope
>>107535842just rewrite it in rust
>>107527495running windows programs that are not available on linux. It doesn't matter anyway, wine covers that use case
>>107532587yeah bro I totally audit obscure C and asm code
>>107535857Rust doesn't work very well for complex projects like this unfortunately
>>107527354It is completely useless. It's not even on par with Windows XP yet. By the time it gets to that point nobody will care about Windows that old. If it was released 10 years ago and was 100% compatible with Windows 2000 or XP by that point, then it would make sense.
>>107527354Why so beautiful? Wow my eyes.
>>107536478Good morning, sir.
>>107536487Lol. Good morning to you too.
>>107536200How exactly does Rust struggle with complex projects?
>>107536441have you tried 0.4.16 version?
>>107537158Yes and it crashed and the gui was broken
>>107537158No, last time I looked at the project was a couple of years ago and it was still practically unusable.
>>107536441The vast majority of code changes made to windows since XP/2k3 was just damage. I don't believe ReactOS will ever become usable, but targeting win2k3 is not the reason.
>>107537158Yes. Try installing a driver compatible with XP or below. See what happens.
>>107537768Too bad 99% of important (and not important) software depends on this "damage". Keep dreaming about your 90's retarded tranny lmao
>>107527405following your logic all open source oss are conops since all of them are perpetually broken
I thought a project ran by teenagers with no goals or communication will own the heckin evil proprietary software?
>>107537869No, software depends on the 1% of code changes that are actually useful. Most of the changes are things like destroying the UI, or various other useless nonsense. Most applications only need a handful of additional functions. And most of those functions are not difficult to implement, an example being features like Slim Reader/Writer locks.
>>107538979Even your hypothetical 1% is potentially millions of lines of code, something the average OSS troon can't even dream about tackling.
>>10753685510x slower iteration and 5x slower compilation impede development so heavily, that at a certain size/complexity threshold it is impossible to further develop with rust
>>107538401ReactOS is ran by mentally ill 50 year old russians
>>107527354Well if you want it to be big, donate.
>>107539635they would either spend it on pedotranny surgeries or buying a boat whether they're american or russian
>>107539450Why is linux kernel being switched to rust then?
>>107539882It only includes support for device drivers written in rust, a small and simple component.
>>107539450This is the reason why everything only incorporates rust partially and no big projects are written entirely in rust
>>107536855the tooling is too slow for developing an OS
>>107536441It's not completely useless, it's role is to be a lesson to hobbyists that they will never ever be able to compete with closed source
>>107540182chromium is open source
>>107540313it's developed by paid employees therefore not hobbyists
>>107527354They lost the ball long ago.
>>107527354bro every distro is free open source and can run windows binaries its nothing special
>>107540343The goal was to run them without broken emulation layers
>>107540149the compiler is only 2.4 times slower than msvc
>>107535821>windows 10I want windows 7
>>107527354doesn't it work terribly and crash constantly? despite the windows XP source code having been leaked years ago?
Those retards along with wine devs could be contributing to openxp instead of pretending to be solving anything for decades
Typical 4chan thread. Rage bait, bullshit conspiracy theories, and a lot or retarded takes.> Firstly, they develop with gcc instead of using msvc. This sets them up to fail right off the bat.ReactOS can be compiled with MSVC, GCC and Clang. You didn't even get the basics right, so rest is likely not gonna be much better.Also this has pretty much nothing to do with anything, but again, you don't understand any of that.> They should have developed each component to 100% before touching the next.It was already obvious, that you have no idea how software development works. Have you considered, that different people have different areas of interest and expertise? There is no fucking point in having a kernel developer work on some user mode DLL. Also the more developers work on one thing, the more they step on each others toes. Software development just doesn't work like that!> Each component should work 100% when dropped into windows.Yeah, sure, good luck developing a kernel or hal, that you can just drop into Windows. Preferably Windows 10, lol. Again, you have no fucking idea how any of that works.> ReactOS is developed in Russia, lots of westerners are untrusting of software from RussiaIt's developed by an international community of developers, most of them from the EU and US. Again complete nonsense without any substance.Conclusion: A lot of countries are pushing for legislation against "misinformation and disinformation" and age restrictions and digital id on the internet. We need none of that. We need a basic IQ test.
>>107541081AI
The main dev of ReactOS is a self admitted pedophile from russia, just check the archives
>>107540149Redox is an os written entirely in rust
>>107527354only north korea would be able to actually maintain a proper "react os"bc they wont need to care about all the copyright and whatever bullshit of microsoft
