>He claims to care about software freedom while installing DRM on every computer he's ever owned
>>107531860>he
curious!
>>107531860Steam DRM is not mandatory to use on Steam, it’s entirely up to the developers whether they want to use it. You can even implement steamworks features without opting into Steam’s DRM.It is also trivially easy to bypass.
>>107531860which option gets rid of annoying foss/linux losers who will never accomplish anything but whining on the internet?
Who is that strawman?
>>107531956Even if you exclusively play games from the small percentage that don't implement DRM, the DRM is still included with the Steam client, and the games themselves are still non-free/proprietary software.>>107532009Why so defensive? You know every Valve employee is a millionaire right?
Haven't used Steam in years.
https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/packages/steam43% of arch users use steami don't get why you're so ashamed about playing games that you'd go contrarian mode
Fresh linux install:first thing's first, enable DRM on browsersecond, install proprietary Nvidia driverthird, install SteamI don't care about software politics, I just like posting in screenfetch threads
>>107532060>the games themselves are still non-free/proprietary softwareIf you're gonna beef about that then your choice of games is going to be very limited.
>>107532060This isn’t the case, the DRM is applied to the executable, by sending it to Steam’s servers on upload or using a tool (the modification happens on Valve’s servers). This wrapper doesn’t even work on .NET games (so anything Unity), which means they instead make an API call to the SteamWorks DLL bundled with the game that implements all of the Steam related functionality. The call to force steam to launch and check the ownership of the game is entirely optional. Otherwise you just call SteamAPI_Init to see if it’s running and go from there. The only thing the client is involved in is being asked if the user owns the game. This is why it’s so trivial to bypass, because you just make a fake client emulator that says “yes, they own it”.
I try to buy from gog first with games but hey if its steam only then I gotta take the hit
Gaymers are drug addicts, and like any addict, will stoop to any level imaginable to justify their addiction
>>107532086Is having principles contrarian? I play games, mostly through emulators (FSF-approved btw) or my browser.>>107532096That's not the intended GNU^(Linux) experience!
>>107532060that was offensive you autistic moron
No GOG with native Linux release, no buy.
>>107532161The best defense is a good offense
>>10753201790% of the users of this board.
>>107532167>no GOG with native Linux release and open source, no buyftfy, stop being cucked
>>107532096Even if you don’t care about the software side, you’ll still supporting a corporation that refused refunds, disobeying German laws, illegally act on EU geographical Laws and stole from American patent holders. They are not a good business.
>>107532152I'd say they have a weird emotional attachment to Valve specifically as well. It's one thing to accept DRM as an unfortunate reality imposed on them and argue that Steam is the best option, it's another to become rabid defenders of it.
>>107532382>disobeying German laws>illegally act on EU geographical LawsBased, eurocucks take another L
>>107532422You dumb Americans also got rob. Valve sold you a stolen game controller and they never resold it again. Australia helped you get a refund. GTFO fanboy.
>>107532422Nta but they're also violating the GPL by not sharing the kernel modifications they're shipping with the Steam Deck, they selectively censor a lot of games (especially VNs), they use VAC and game bans as a pretext to deny consumer rights, they take extortionate cuts from every sale, they don't allow developers to sell their games cheaper elsewhere, and while Proton is a decent improvement over Wine in a vacuum, it's also a compromise that kills even basic developer-side support on GNU/Linux.
>>107532507dev side support is noop, the harm for post-scarcity just comes down to price gouging
>>107532507>they're also violating the GPL by not sharing the kernel modifications they're shipping with the Steam DeckThen why isn't the Linux Foundation or the FSF suing them into the dirt?
>>107532588Idk but Red Hat for example has a long history of violating the GPL and getting away with it.
>>107531860I have an entire separate gaming machine on separate hardware just for this purpose. I'm willing to compromise and run nonfree shit, but only so far, I'm definitely not doing my regular desktop stuff on a machine with that on it.
>>107532671>I have an entire separate gaming machine on separate hardware just for this purpose.Ultimate goy cattle. just buy a console at this point stupid fucking idiot
>>107532756no, I can't run Gentoo on an Xbox
>>107532852>I can't run a programming IDE on my smartphoneGood thing an Xbox is only meant for games and not tinkertrooning autism
>>107532857well yeah but it also really sucks, I want a computer
>>107532671Do you really not trust Linux to protect you from that shit?
>>107532874it probably does but this way I don't have to think about it. "does Steam snoop in your web browser settings, which it has the permissions to do since you're running it as your user? Who cares, I don't even have a web browser on this machine, I do everything that isn't gaming on something it can't access"side benefit: if I fuck up my gaming machine it's merely annoying, not a "shit I don't have a computer" emergency
>>107531860what kind of retarded strawman is this? I have never claimed to care about software "freedom". It's been years and the GNU+Pedos have yet to produce anything on par with Photoshop.
>>107532017the guy who buys games on steam while simultaneously swearing by software freedom?no idea who that is. most people know what they're getting into with steam, generally you're more concerned that the product you receive from them can be taken away at any time or they might go out of business, which right there should be your red flag for "software freedom" especially buying software.kinda would need to be an absolute hypocrite to use steam
>>107532896Then just make a separate user instead of throwing money at the problem
>>107532868an Xbox and a Smartphone are as much of a computer as a desktop PC running Linux
>>107532910>company dumping fuckloads of time and resources into Linux is bad because I can't pirate on the off chance of it going roguevalve could literally make 100% of windows software flawlessly compatible and you people would still find a reason to cry
>>107532923yeah but they run shitty annoying operating systems>>107532913it was more just when I wanted to upgrade for gaming reasons, I kept the old hardware in service as a "new" machine, since it was still perfectly adequate for non-gaming desktop stuff
>>107532944never said anything wrong with steamthe problem is in this straw man OP made.
>>107532953>yeah but they run shitty annoying operating systemsOperating Systems and form factors define what kind of computer they are Which is perfectly fine because i'd rather have a device that does 1 thing best than a jack of all trades that is mediocre at everything
>>107532156>I play games, mostly through emulatorsyou re still running unfree software if your are emulating console games. you're jsut adding a free software shim
>>107532969a smartphone isn't really very good at anything, especially gaminga console is strongly oriented towards using a controller and sitting on a couch, which is not a great experience imo
>>107533061>a smartphone isn't really very good at anything, especially gamingIt has specific usecases where it excels at.It's only good at gaming for games built in mind for it and not 3D shoehorned into a glass screen you have to tap>which is not a great experience imoThat's subjective, the average person would tell you sitting infront of a desk to play games after your 8 hour shift infront of a desk is not comfortable at all
>>107531860>drm>an issuewhy don't you sell something that has cost you a small fortune to create, only so that anyone can easily copy and distribute it without you ever seeing a cent.the threshold for digital distribution is just too low for non drm to happen. it's sad, but the state of humanity where most people fuck over others, wills it.
>>107533092There are ways you can pay and use modern video games without encountering DRM at all and play them completely offline from the getgo if you wish to
>>107532507don't care, won't stop using it
>>107533082>It has specific usecases where it excels at.worse at texting than blackberries were, worse at phone calls than flip phones were. smartphones are the epitome of "shoehorn a watered-down crappy version of everything onto this crappy, low-powered device with a single irritating input system"> the average person would tell you sitting infront of a desk to play games after your 8 hour shift infront of a desk is not comfortable at allso you sat in front of a screen all day and now you come home and are upset about sitting in front of a screen at a desk, you want to sit in front of a screen in the living room because that's so much different? If you weren't looking to sit in front of a screen because you were sick of that you wouldn't be gaming at all, you'd be reading a book or outside or something.
>>107531860Posting one of Gaybe Jewell's yachts on /v/ gets you banned everytime without fail
>>107531860Installing nonfree software yourself is depriving yourself of freedom.But when you recommend other people do it, you are harming them, whether as an individual or a distribution as a whole.
And let's be clear. Distros like Omarchy harm our community, because they recommend nonfree apps like Spotify and Steam.
>>107532086lmao
>>107533187That's a digital distribution network issue though.I'll never understand people accepting 30% cut taken by a DIGITAL network. Especially where having 1 million people download something vs 1000, is barely a cost increase for the distribution network.Quite a scam.I wonder if that was a number made up and put in some MBA manditory book from the 80s and they believe it applies to the internet.
>>107533233>made up and put in some MBA manditory book from the 80s and they believe it applies to the internet.It most likely is but it doesn't matter because it's the industry standard and Valve has a monopoly so nothing will change unless that fat fuck croaks
>>107531860Games aren't software, they're entertainment. Video games that subscribe to the four freedoms of free software would be a lot like movies that have their script, video and audio clips, and project files freely available to be used for any purpose; it is not necessarily a bad idea and maybe it is even one you support, but the fact remains that a GPL-licensed video game would be closer to such a film than to LibreOffice.The question is: should the entertainment industry also be subject to the FSF's four freedoms?
>>107532086The rest of the Arch users are 100% all not even using arch and are instead using it to run certain software 24/7. I refuse to believe that less than 98% of arch users dont have steam installed.
>>107533233FYI: The digital distribution network is Akamai. Those guys are the ones who you download your steam games from. Valve is literally just a parasitic useless middleman meme company ran by a cabal of boomers with 7 figure salaries. They sometimes tell their lackeys to do the bare minimum like making sure steam client works and that's about it.
>>107533277>Games aren't softwareYes they are tech illiterate retard>they're entertainmentThat doesn't mean they're mutually exclusive
>>107533244>that fat fuck croaksthe issue there is, it opens up a far greater risk of things being fucked up for the customer when non-gabe successors enter.>monthly subscription to just access your library.>games being deleted from your library because of what they want to censor in the year xxxx.>new computer? pay $100 to access your library again.>say something deemed wrong speak, account lockedand so on.fwiw, steam, with gabe, is the best choice for now.the fact he's pushing linux at the moment and steers people away from microsoft, offsets the ridiculous 30% cuts, for now.
>>107533280You refuse to believe that more than 2% of Arch users do have Steam installed?
>>107533292Should video games be licensed differently from the rest of the entertainment industry?
>>107533293>being fucked up for the customer when non-gabe successors enter.I highly doubt it, perhaps the new CEO would make some new source games
>>107532452>defending patent trolls
>>107533303Nigga you know what i mean im barely awake rn
>>107533293Anon, he has how many yachts now? You think he cares about vidya or linux? Come on. It's probably fags at valve being paranoid over microsoft.
>>107533322>Should video games be licensed differently from the rest of the entertainment industry?The entertainment industry has wildly different licensing so i don't get what you mean
>>107532507They do share the modified kernel. They just don't bother much to upstream their changes.
>>107533336call me gullible, but i think he does.he's an ex microsoft employee, so the hate is probably justified. he also doesn't come off as your typical greed infused mba goon.if he'd reduce the cut he takes from games, i'd like him more. but then you'd have to wonder, if games themselves won't just make up the difference in price and the end user won't notice shit.
>>107533338How many songs and movies have their project files publicly available?
>>107533371He's been retired since 2015 plus he had all the time in the world to do it during the Windows Live era. This is purely a soulless strategy to get even more margin from their 30% fees
>>107533371You are gullibleValve only reduced 30% for triple a slop (something like 25% after 10m made and 20% after 50m made) to compete with epic. Steam drones never mention this ever btw.Valve also won't reduce the 30% for indies ever because they can get away with itAlso it took literal lawsuits for valve to add a 2 hour refund policy.
copyright and ip law are made up jewish nonsense and everything should be free and open source. anyone arguing otherwise and praising drm is a mentally trapped sleepy golem
>>107531860Steam is not DRM, it is a launcher. Stop making these worthless threads.
>>107533471
>>107533092>why don't you sell something that has cost you a small fortune to create, only so that anyone can easily copy and distribute it without you ever seeing a cent.Big Tech companies do this all the time.
>>107533035Well the emulator is technically the software that's running. The FSF makes the case that video game emulation is good and important.https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:Computer_and_video_game_console_emulators
>>107531956I bet that you use Discord and KDE
>>107533333Wrong company, corsair is well known company. Also the stolen patent case was done under the Jury. That means American people had voted against Valve and found Valve guilty. As stated in many news.
>>107531876>has
>>107532129>they don't use PKI in their API callsretard>>107532060>and the games themselves are still non-free/proprietary softwareso you blame the games not steamanother retard.>>107531956>Steam DRM is not mandatory nigger DRM exist on any proprietary program its literally what protect them from being modifiedthe fuck this board full of retarded niggers kys
>>107536317>no
>>107536986>balls
>>107531956let me download my no-drm game without installing the steam client
>>107535094>why do you use the DE that works and doesn't have an intentionally retarded UX for the sake of being different? You must be gay
>>107533233Comparing steam to a simple CDN is disingenuous. They provide a storefront, an immense amount of marketing power, reviews, multiplayer APIs for those that wish to use them, Steam Input, save syncing, and so on. They could probably reduce their cut a bit, but they also provide a lot more to devs than other storefronts. If you were to use services separately for each of these you’d probably end up spending more, or self-hosting, which would be cheaper, but require you spend a lot of time doing sysadmin shit and not working one games. EPIC is closest to a CDN, no reviews, just a shitty DRM implementation and a crappy launcher, barely any improved visibility to end-users. GOGs value adds are mostly volunteer driven.
>>107533387You know any other company would’ve restricted refunds to Australia only, and only opened it up if more countries sued (and this wouldn’t include the US cause their consumer guarantees are dogshit). Look at how anal Apple is about third-party stores. If you leave the EU for more than 30 days they’ll lock you out of anything from them.
>>107538097Not sure if you’d consider it valid, but you can use SteamCMD to download stuff without needing the desktop client.
>>107536978If your definition of DRM is that there isn’t source code available, sure, it’s all DRMed. Furthermore, no, they don’t sign API calls, this is why literally every steam game that doesn’t implement extra DRM (Denuvo or something bespoke) is instantly cracked, because you just stick the same Steam emulator DLL in the folder with the game and it runs.
>>107538097you can use steamcmd which is like a package manager
>>107531860Pretty much any graphical linux system relies on the Direct Rendering Manager interface these days, this isn't specific to Steam.
>>107540374You still need an account, the account website signup has tracking pixels like Google, Facebook and others. When will you people learn to stop using this awful service.
>>107541091What online store does not require an account?
Has OP ever heard of sandboxing, firewalls, and virtual machines? Certainly non-free software should not be running with significant privileges on the device.You wouldn't install a social media app instead of using its web version, would you?
Use GOG
when did you realize you can onle run one steam application at a time?
>>107538091>to
>>107541091>the account website signup has tracking pixelsyou're not blocking the scripts? what year is it? 2013?
>>107531860*cough*
>>107531860couldnt be me, steam is a botnet and it adds a huge attack surface.
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