what constitutes a "PC" in the modern day?
>>107532729I'm autistic so PC is always Wintel and computer is a computer in general, at least I'd expect a /g/ autist to use those terms like that. But nobody cares anymore, can't even find good autistic faggots here anymore.
>>107532729is it a general purpose computer?Can I write software for it or script it to make my life easier?Then it's a computer.
>>107532729A computing device, usually that relies on AC power, that allows you to upgrade/replace the CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, motherboard, and so on and so on. This the "personalized computer" monicker.macs have:>soldered SSD/RAM/WLANdoesnt exist on 99% of PCsAnd so on and so on, you all know the rest...
>>107532739youre like people who call whole computers "CPUs"
>>107532739So an x86 AMD computer running windows isn't a PC?
>>107532739You're not autistic. Just stupid.
>>107532768>This the "personalized computer" monicker.no it's not. a personal computer is such because it's not a massive computer that takes up a whole room. a mac is definitely a PC
>>107532768>>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN>doesnt exist on 99% of PCsYes it does on quite a lot if not most sold today.You're basically saying Picrel sold by Microsoft is not a PC
>>107532795That's not a PC, that's a laptop.
>>107532781It is, I mean in the sense it's a PC-Compatible, like AMD machines with Linux 25 years ago were still Wintel.
>>107532807Laptops and Desktops are both PCs.
>>107532739>>107532812Makes sense then.
>>107532812Ancient Intel and Modern Intel have nothing to do with each other however
>>107532739Based
>>107532828Yeah it's just autistic terminology.
>>107532807lol
>>107532835sounds tech illiterate
>>107532845why? because you're to young to know what a pc compadible is and when we had other platforms like mac? lol
>>107532845Well, that's pretty much how those terms were used.
>>107532865ESL spotted
>>107532866people actually said PC and meant a box with Windows?
>>107532876Yeah ...Or worse, DOS.
>>107532875not an argument
>>107532884Hey I agree with you but at least proofread your shit.
>>107532739Same. Basically anything derived from the original IBM PC counts as PC for me. But I grew up with 8-bits and Macintoshes and Amigas too, so it was an important distinction.
>>107532889>But I grew up with 8-bits and Macintoshes and Amigas too, so it was an important distinction.Me too. Makes sense then.
>>107532815Yes and no. Both are computers, yes. General purpose computers. But when mentioning it's a 'personal computer', you are kind of in the neighborhood of desktops (a unit containing the processor, ram, HD, etc, another device for visual interactions, and actuators also individualized but connected) when you see the pc concept in historical context. There were times when it referred to an architecture as opposed to the PowerPC Macintosh computers for example. I don't know if it has relevance today as there are a lot of devices for general purpose computing available for personal use with different structure and architecture.
>when we had other platforms like mac?Macs were also PCsPC compatible is just a marketing term by jews at microsoft to associate Windows with PCs.The term PC was coined when all computers back then were basically desktops, nowdays they all use the same hardware as PCs do even if it is a different form factor or OSIt's like being a gen xer calling any computer you see a Nintendo, which isn't really wrong but it's retarded if you're above average intelligence
Windows and LinuxGuess BSD and TempleOS too
>>107532888Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me.
>>107532895>General purpose computers. But when mentioning it's a 'personal computer'Personal computer basically means general purpose computer you can do anything with.Not going to read the rest of your babble. Hardware is irrelevant beyond that point.
>>107532908So a phone is a "PC" even though it can't play GTA V at 144 FPS on max settings????
it must belong to meand it must be able to computebehold... a PC
>>107532902>Windows and Linux>Guess BSD and TempleOS tooSo every modern Console is a PC but an iMac or MacBook aren't?
>>107532926smartphones are for media consumption and not general use or creation
>>107532895your ambivalent word vomit has got to the the most useless text I've ever read.
>>107532926>even though it can't play GTA V at 144 FPS on max settings????You can nowadays.
>>107532895If you knew what you were talking about you would say whatever you were trying into in a short sentence
>>107532927>Diogenes attaches a terminal to a microcontrollerBehind, a PC!
>>107532948Yes but only through the (((cloud))))
>>107532908I don't know which anon are you. But I think we may kind of agree.>Personal computer basically means general purpose computer you can do anything with.That's like, your opinion man. >Not going to read the rest of your babble. Hardware is irrelevant beyond that point.Well isn't the whole point of this ass of a thread to discuss and chat about the concept of pc? Are you high or just an asshole?
>>107532930Show a modern console running a desktop environment Macbooks are glorified phones
>>107532962>Yes but only through the (((cloud))))You can run it locally through ARM translation layers
>>107532936Anon, you can't even write one sentence properly.
>>107532962No, locally. Not sure if really at *max* setting and at that framerate, but "normal" settings at console framerate? I'm sure you don't even need an M chip or top of the line Snapdragon for that. Pi 5 can play 2016 Doom via binary translation at like 30 FPS and it's not the best SoC by far anymore.
>>107532965>Well isn't the whole point of this ass of a thread to discuss and chat about the concept of pcI don't think trying to argue about X86 or ARM architectures is useful when 99% of computer devices use either of them and PCs on the same OS use both
>>107532966PS4 Linux? Is that modern enough?
>>107532979>>107532995I have serious doubts that phones operating at like 5W TDP can hold a candle to this state of the art ARM gaming monster with like a 100W TDP.
>>107533007That does indeed become a PC
>>107532966>Show a modern console running a desktop environment>Macbooks are glorified phonesPS5s run Unix under the FreeBSD distributionMacOS is also running UnixIt doesn't matter if the intent and OS of a console is tailored for a specific purpose, by your definition it must be a PC
>>107532729Everything that is compatible with the original IBM-PC>l..
>>107533029Literally the only determinant of PCness is software and consoles have extremely locked down software that takes years of cracking to topple
>>107533019Because your picture is outdated, M4 can play it absolutely fine and M5 is the current gen. Even then, you're showing a 30W TDP chip in your picture playing it better then a PS3, that was 300W and didn't even get 30 FPS at 720p. Even though a Ryzen laptop SoC with iGPU got about the same performance at 45W, 5 years ago when M1 was relevant.
>>107533055>PCness is software Then why lump PCs into an OS definition that can include mcdonald kiosks, iphones, fridges and chinese lightbulbs?
>>107533064Android and Apple are not PCs because they're also locked down and you need years of collective work to allow rooting and still you have no guarantee of ever being able to install Linux on themembedded shit could be turned into a PC quite easily, they're literally just running a program inside a generic windows or Linux installEven a phone running Linux is a pcIt's all up to the operating system
Most of /g/ are zoomers who aren't even 40 yet
>>107532729The thing is that what we call a PC today is actually a derivative of the IBM compatible PC...The definition of personal computer is wider and it's basically a computer for personal use...>INB4 laptops>INB4 smartphonesLaptops are more similar to the concept of PC or SBC. Phones are similar to SBCs but their main objective is way too different.
>>107533091MacOS is as free of an OS as Windows. You can literally do the same operations uninhibited unless you're admitting you're tech illiterate and can't bypass the guardrails Apple has put for certain stuff>embedded shit could be turned into a PC quite easilyThe point is not how easily it could be tinkertrooned into a PC, any computer could be turned into a PC if you're autistic enough.>they're literally just running a program inside a generic windows or Linux installNot really, embedded systems usually have stripped down hardware that's way below average consumer specs and the Windows/Linux install also has minimal bloatware and services that you need for home use>Even a phone running Linux is a pcI would agree but the form factor kind of inhibits it from functioning like one in practice
>>107532781They are PCs regardless of which OS you install, but you can call them WCs for ones running Windows.
>>107533144>WCs for ones running Windows.Behold, a WC!!!
>>107533144is this a WC? sweet, can't wait to do general computing on it
>>107532729All that shit coming out of the ipad and it still isn't anywhere close.>>107533126>MacOS is as free of an OS as Windows.I'd argue it's far more free than Win11. Local accounts are still the default rather than something you need to hack the installer to even appear as an option, for starters. No ads either. That shit really takes the "Personal" out of PC.At the end of the day, "PC" is a marketing term made up by IBM. It means nothing. The difference between a computer and a PC is the same as the difference btween a vacuum cleaner and a "hoover".
Where ?
>>107532865>>107532884i remember those times and those terms were just used for tech illiterates because it would communicate the concept well enough. the mac was still a PC at the time
>>107532729personal computer like a computer you own and use yourself and not a work computer,server...im writing this from a pc>>107532768MBs with soldered ram are pretty common actually and soldered ram makes sense for minipcs
>>107534113>i remember those times and those terms were just used for tech illiterates because it would communicate the concept well enough. the mac was still a PC at the timeOther way around actually. Calling everything a PC was easier to the tech illiterate to sell. Anyone with a brain used PC, Mac, Amiga, Atari, etc as a platform, otherwise you'd end up buying software (or even hardware) for the wrong platform. Like imagine mail ordering something from a distributor, saying PC and getting a DOS copy of a game instead of ST.
>>107534182>Like imagine mail ordering something from a distributor, saying PC and getting a DOS copy of a game instead of ST.right, that's why the term stuck. because of tech illiterates. they're all PCs, but illiterates (in all subjects) catch on to a certain term for a certain kind of thing, so the retail industry follows. you ask for "PC" you get something for a certain kind of PC because that's what youre expecting.
>>107534122>personal computer like a computer you own and use yourself and not a work computer,server...exactly, but >What happens if you own the device, but it runs programs out of your control? Like spyware, pup's, malware or intrusive ads?Is it still a 'personal' computer then? Are you still the 'owner' or has it become a subscription?
