Early 2020s: China enacts laws severely crippling the internet for people unless they show IDJul 2025 (Online Safety Act): UK enacts laws neutering the internet for people unless they show ID; remains in effect despite initial outcryDec 2025 (Online Safety Amendment): Australia enacts laws neutering the internet for people unless they show ID; likely to remain in effect despite current outcryApr 2026? (KOSA, made it into the House recently): US enacts laws neutering the internet for people unless they show their IDsEU has similar shit on the table iirc, they're the fucking EU they love regulationThis will get worse, and this won't go away, at least not in the way you want it to - it'll be an impossibly difficult sell because "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" Security theater is notoriously difficult to reverse, just compare flying pre and post 9/11. This'll probably be more of the same. Again, UK already had a petition, the gov there just laughed in everyone's faces. Only way any of this is really "going away" is, like, the internet itself going extinct.Not just this btw, also got countries banning Chinese social media (which in many cases can ironically be less restrictive), Android banning sideloading, etc.This won't get kids playing outside again. They'll just watch only the government-OK kid-friendly TV, YouTube Shorts, and AI. Sheeple will still use a heavily policed internet and talk to Amanda the AI HR Lady because "brain need dopamine". China's still full of internet addicts despite having long had one of the world's most censored internets.VPNs? They'll gradually wane in effectiveness once those governments go after 'em, and we're probably gonna see sites like YouTube or whatever outright ban VPN usage (similar to how they've been outright banning adblocker usage). Again China's a step ahead of the curve. Another incentive they got is to keep people with 1st-world country salaries from VPN-ing over to India etc. to get discounted prices.
>>107534272>Australiasocial media =/= the internet. 4chan and places that don't require account aren't affected. that said, even roblox and discord aren't affected (lol)
>>107534998>nooo they only neutered *part* of the internetYeah just like they only took """some""" of your guns. You've shown you're willing to cede territory, next time there's an event like covid you'll go back to being house slaves, except this time with CCP style internet
They should've implemented this on ISP level, then it wouldn't be so stupid.
>>107534272> the internet> look inside> actualy it's just webshit and only a fraction of sites at that.lol, they can't put ID verification at the IP protocol layer, even if they try.best they could do is ask for id to connect to the internet, but even then, the IP layer would stay the same and thus they couldn't have full control of what's happening.
>>107535058that's not doable with current technology, at most you block normies.you could always go on a public wifi, copy the mac of another user in the network and there you go.
>>107535047The boomers in gov have no idea how technology works. During the hearings for the bill in Australia someone asked a governor about 4chan and he went "what's 4chan?"they still don't have a clue after 22 years kek
>>107535077lol> mostly the boomers want to ban tech> they don't understand how it workswe are safe for a while
>"china is... le bad!">do everything in their power to become like chinaI will never understand anglotards
>>107534272But we are in democracy and still have the rule of law, okay?Big corpos and governments intertwining laws and power over the people is totally not fascism, right?Here in France we deploy ATF to crackdown farmers protests while we do nothing about drug trafficking. Some minorities are absolutely free to do whatever they want with few repercussions or accountability.Which leads to CBDC rollouts to supposedly tackle money laundering and tax evasion by phaisng out physical cash, but crypto and barter trade are still here.
>>107535077It's not just boomers, it's zoomers. They are obsessed with controlling things and imposing "safety" on everyone else. You have these feminist zoom zooms making think of the children arguments now.
>>107535249its funny how low iq subhuman chuds will pretend its "the left" trying to censor everything when you lose your minds over a nipple, while "ironically" masturbating to tranny porn as a "straight white male".God you are so pathetic just kys
>>107534272You're completely and entirely right. This is the course. But what can we do to stop it? Even during COVID, we couldn't mobilize to prevent the shit they pulled. And that had real life in your face consequences, not just in digital world as many people will tell themselves to deprioritize it.
>>107534272yes. we are unironically in the last decade of the free internet as we know itinternet ID laws will start with adult content then slowly creep into the rest of the net and eventually authentication modules will be legally required to be built into all computers. Accessing the internet without such authentication will land you years, if not decades, in prison.
>>107535062they can put it on every website which eventually normalizes itat that point they can require all computer hardware to have built in ID authentication at startup, and the people will see it as a "feature" because they no longer have to login manually to every website.
>>107535274It's BOTH SIDES. The right wing TERF's are the ones trying to ban porn, you retarded bot.
>>107534272Canada and india seem ok to me
>>107534998Are you really sure about that?
>>107534998>Australia>social media =/= the internet
>>107536714Canada is partnering with the EU on Digital ID
Xi invading Taiwan in about 18 months. Will either result in WW3 or total American capitulation.Either way the elites are spooked.
>>107534998australia had cancer internet i 2005 i cant imagine how much worse it is now
>>107534272US has been trying to do this for longer the first US state to implement an online age verification law requiring government-issued ID was Louisiana in 2023
Reading about this makes me want to log off forever. That being said, I want to stay in touch with online friends. Genuinely what can one do? Should I start learning about open source systems and anonymous remailers?
>>107537148Oh and US's KOSA was introduced in 2022. Currently about 25 states have Online ID verification laws and they're still trying to pass a bunch more of age verification laws, KOSA, SCREEN, App Store Accountability Act etc and they also want to repeal Section 230
>>107536649Wouldn't even say decade. I predict a significant and wide-arching downfall by EOY 2026, or EOY 2027 at most, in which what's happened in the UK or Australia follows in the US and EU.And to all my fellow hamburger mutts, don't expect one or the other big parties to save us. They're all old boomers (or young wokists) who are severely out of touch, or just want every excuse to make our lives miserable. They each have an equal stake in "think of the children", and in either case the ulterior motive won't be that. Everything here has to be a hard binary, it's either lock down the internet and make everything a nanny state, or literal kidnapping and sexual slavery.>>107536714Of course fucking India and its biggest brown settler colony are OK. Remember who owns these big tech FAGMAN companies lol. The end goal of this is probably gonna be some shit like "do the needful with your webcam to unlock real-name verification with chakra.ai".The internet and the world would be much better places if India got a great firewall like China and they had to develop their own forums
>>107537985>I predict a significant and wide-arching downfall by EOY 2026, or EOY 2027 at mosti feel like if they go for this there will be enough outrage to make them back down and revert. In fact i kind of hope for this.If authorities authorities are smart they will boil the frog very slowly
>>107534272So, I will use gopher. I dont give a shit.I think we all can aggree that femboys, twinks and trannies are sexy.But there are two types of people,1. those who like to take femboi dicks up their ass2. based boipucci enjoyersOnly people from category 1, will continue using internet
>>107538081I am creating tor mirrors of a lot of websites I manage, some of them are relevant some are of hobby stuff but they're there on the onion now and indexed on a few search engines. And I'll spread them to other networks.
Is Austria even real? They don't even talk like Steve Irwin in the movies I watch. I'm beginning to think it's just a psyop like the moon being real.
>>107534272Covid was like a stress test and made them realize they can do anything and normgroid cattle won't even notice.
At this rate there could legitimately be a day where a big Anglo or Western country's internet is more censored than China's. You think we'll see a bunch of whites trying to VPN into China's internet like Chinese people do for America's internet? (Rn Taiwanese people have to use VPNs to access Xiaohongshu.)Sort of like that one scene from The Day After Tomorrow where all the Americans are trying to flee into Mexico?
>>107534272>So did the most important countries basically get away with killing the internetI can only hope so.
>>107535077It's happening in Russia. They hired a bunch of experienced techies who know their shit and basically told them to implement whitelists across the board. For now, these are forced only on mobile users, but they plan to roll whitelists for ethernet users by the end of next year as well.>>107535062They can force you to only connect to an approved list of government webslop sites using whitelists, like they're doing in Russia right now.
>>107534272they only want to control your speech so it's easier to abuse you in other ways.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=md6gekqjjVU
>>107539408Russia's internet is that censored? Don't they have a bunch of pirate websites there
>>107539617Lol. Roskomnadzor banned Rutracker and a bunch of other pirate websites on an ISP level ages ago.
>>107534272I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as the Internet, is in fact, the Internet and Web, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Internet plus Web. The Web is not a network unto itself, but rather a service running on top of the Internet, made useful by protocols like HTTP and HTML. Many users access a modified version of the Internet every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the service which is widely used today is often called 'the Internet,' and many of its users are not aware that it is just one application—albeit a vital one—built upon the global network infrastructure. There really is a Web, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. The Web depends on the Internet, but the Internet can function perfectly well without the Web.
>>107539408So do those things allow for games with hostable multiplayer servers like most Source engine games and Minecraft?
>>107539763No. They literally only allow you to connect to a pre-approved list of websites, which include all the government websites, Russian social networks and some local consoomer platform equivalents of Amazon.
>>107539775Wonder how that'll go with them.
>>107539775How hard is it to have hobbies in Russia can people own Playstation or Xbox? videogames?
>>107539825They can't buy games on Steam and I think PSN as well. Not sure about Xbox.
>>107539839Didn't the vast majority of Russia's internet censorship occur like right after they invaded Ukraine in 2022?IIRC it started with a bunch of western banks banning usage of their credit cards in Russia ATMs or franchises pulling out of the country, then Russia started going haywire and banning their own stuff until their censorship was as bad as China's or even worse.Like up until the early 2020s (and still a bit afterwards due to older adaptors hanging on using VPNs and shit, I even personally know some), there were a whole bunch of Russians on the internet everywhere who were running family YT vlog channels or playing Geometry Dash and shit.There were even a few signs during like the early 2020s that Russia was posturing itself as "the based alternative to the woke West" or "the last based country in the West", especially during COVID when it and Belarus were like the only 2 countries that were open in the world (along with Sweden fsr despite them being supremely woke AF). As in, imagine something kinda like what we would've imagined at the time to be "the US but Republicans control everything" (as opposed to when it actually happened in the US later on).Or was it a more gradual leadup with a fair bit of intermediate stages, like similar to what the UK and Australia are doing currently? Asking so I can gauge how likely this is to be "the leadup to war" or some shit. IIRC the UK and several Euros are already discussing mobilization and putting out stuff that could be interpreted as calls to arms.
>>107535077Well IMO it's more likely they keep the regulations and ban 4chan nationwide, than the whole legislation getting repealed because of 4chan.
>>107538390Ja.
They tried some age restriction laws in the 90s. They tried similar laws a lot of times since then but the internet wasn't a serious propaganda medium yet and most users and the corporations that catered to the hated the idea, so those laws got fended off.Only in the last 10-15 years has the Internet become truly relevant to politics, has it become mass media. Only in the last 5-10 years has the general population become online enough to be influenced significantly by online speech.So it is no surprise that attempts to restrict that speech really picked up in the last decade. Of course the way lawmakers work for these things is kind of conservative. At first things are too new for them to have a mental model of the situation, so it takes a few years until they are calling industry leaders to testify before Congress (remember Zuck and other CEOs doing that in like 2018?). Once they've wrapped their mind around it, the lawmakers must gauge public support for certain measures, but this is hard unless someone in a similar political system has passed similar laws. Some US states and FVEY countries passed some minor laws and eventually some of these anglosphere countries had success with age verification a couple years ago, and those are coming into effect now.Since there is very little pushback against these laws even in similar systems, everyone now knows how much political capital they have to spend to pass one, which is why they are finally succeeding. At the core of all this is the fact that passing these laws wins you more points with the public than you lose. Most parents support these laws, and they're on the internet now. A few principled computer nerds aren't going to outnumber them any time soon.
>>107534272internet died during gamergate when coin c2 systems were asymmetrically deployed on western civilian populations, payload cw
>>107534272>get away with killing the internet in 1 year?The internet has already been killed years ago by big corporations, smartphones, normalfaggots and the the 3rd world.Its corpse is rotting unless you're a blind retard who thinks the modern internet benefits you in any way
>>107537012>>social media =/= the internetSocial Media IS the internet, good luck trying to find small and niche websites nowdays
>>107541450There are plenty of random websites and shit out there, you just won't be served them on Google since they started heavily favoring mobile-friendly websites in 2015. They favor commercial over noncommercial sites these days too.
The Internet is the only true homeland worth defending. I don't care about children, politics or anything of the sort. The Internet must be free and unrestricted for everyone. It is the greatest achievement of Mankind. AI is worthless and doesn't even come close to being a good thing. The basic point is that yes, everything from porn onwards should and must be a free for all. I think that what truly spooked the governments isn't this or that opposing government but the fact the Internet, being free, made culture itself free from the shackles of domestic politics and culture of this or that place. Everything worthless began to die off because of the Internet. They're effectively trying to usher in a new Dark Age for humanity, and in this they must not succeed. We all began to identify with ourselves and various subcultures which we chose for ourselves, and I'm willing to bet this increase of nationalism and religion that's being shilled everywhere is a concentrated effort to coral everyone back into that 19th century prison. The Internet, not AI or politics, made a lot of things redundant and exposed how harmful they are. In no uncertain terms our governments, be it the US or China or AUS are just obstacles to overcome. Free information, free communication, no censorship - that's worth fighting for. It's the only thing we got. Politics and the left/right nonsense do not matter. You are either for freedom or slavery, and it doesn't matter if slavery is right wing or left wing, feminist or incel, christian or muslim. It's all the same shit. Choose freedom.
>>107542528>AI is worthlessfaggot
>>107539408> whiteliststhis would effectively break the economy, doubt they'd go that far.
>>107542611I'd love any reason to be optimistic, but imagine telling people not to worry about lockdowns in the US during February 2020, because "this would effectively break the economy, doubt they'd go that far".
>>107542737lockdowns damaged but didn't break the economy, it was a compliance test and always meant to be temporary.shutting down the internet would be 100x worse.
>>107542737Hiding your face is based. I must thank them for normalizing the acceptance of that.
Two backwater shitholes filled with Indians are not "the most important countries"
>>107535047>Yeah just like they only took """some""" of your guns.The guns in this analogy being potato guns that shoot cow shit in the direction of the shooter
>>107539650But they didnt take away their domain name. Curious.
>>107540073It all started in 2011-2012, when Russia had its biggest anti-corruption protests (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_Russian_protests), and opposition figures like Navalny started pooping up. An agency no one had heard of before (Riskomnadzor) appeared out of nowhere and started forcing ISPs to block websites en masse. This same agency also started bullying western social networks and websites, threatening to completely ban them in Russia if they didn't remove content that the Russian government didn't like. Between then and 2022, they must have blocked tens of thousands of websites under various bogus pretenses. The 2022 full scale invasion made things much much worse of course. There was suddenly a need to censor enormous amounts of data about the war and make sure that ordinary Russians only get their information about it from the government and nowhere else. And now it's gotten to the point where their internet is getting even more restricted than China's. But none of this stuff is new, really, the Russian government has been talking about creating its own "sovereign" heavily restricted Cheburnet at least since the 2000s.And yeah, I think what we're seeing in the west right now is essentially preparation for WW3. Everyone is trying to restrict their internet to prevent cyberattacks. They're just not telling the cattle about the real reason this is happening so as not to scare them and cause panic. It's much easier to say "we want to protect muh kids", most normies won't even try opposing it.
is the boomer talk of a>CYBER NINE ELEVENa meme or an actual thing?
>>107534272none of those countries are important>UKlol, lmao
>>107544353It's coming. Expect the internet to turn into a bunch of walled off, overpoliced, overmonitored state controlled intranets in the next decade and a half, if not the next 5 years.
>>107535249It shitllenials actually.Millennials are the people of age to have kids.Millennial foids are the bulk of the ground troops for all these NGOs that are trying to censor everything,
>>107544582I don’t think they can gather enough popular support for this policy after enough boomers die off in about a decade from now. That is unless third world immigration reaches a critical mass and the new citizens just keel over and accept it because they’re used to being curbstomped by totalitarian authority.
>>107534272All part of the 2030 Agenda.Save everything you hold dear.
>>107535136>>do everything in their power to become like chinaThey'll never, ever, ever invest in infrastructure, industry or people. They're ideologically opposed to it.Consider that the "democratic socialists" have a love affair with authoritarianism, and have formally adopted the ideology of neoliberalism.Go ahead, and ask yourself what a democratic, authoritarian neoliberal socialist stands for. You may notice that some words are entirely hollow, because they're cancelled out by the others.What technology could have saved them from this? A dictionary and an encyclopaedia. Encarta wasn't released yet.
>>107544353>CYBER NINE ELEVENCYBER KATRINACYBER PANDEMIC
>>107534998>>107534272https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/australia-social-media-ban-under-16s-chinaKids flock to alternative. This isn't about saving kids, its censorship to promote alternatives. Discord still grooms children into castration/communist/terrorist ideology
>>107546513cyber 911 times 100
>>107546855Teens will be teens I suppose
>>107542782Is this based in your book?
>>107545451Was 2020 an agenda?
>>107549871cute
>>107535136I just want to highlight the obvious changposting in OP and ITT.>china numba wun!Yes yes very compelling, chang
>>107550460OK so make no mistake, I think the way China runs the internet is retarded.I am a chang, so give yourself a pat on the ass if it makes you feel good. But going to China and not being able to search Google, catch up on YouTube, post on Reddit/4chan, or nowadays even scroll Wikipedia has pissed me off every time.And I just find it retarded that nowadays so many countries (especially Australia for some odd reason) really wanna become China. If the end goal is to make future generations of teens less brainrotted, especially as China mogs them, then a love and passion for education needs to be instilled into the hearts of the populace. And a convenient way to accomplish this is by pivoting away from activism, wokism, and self-flagellation and towards science, technology, and the fine arts. And for the record I'm not requesting "100% STEM and 0% humanities", as intelligence in Western countries can be massively improved through more widespread interest in doing debate, dancing ballet, or playing a musical instrument. It just needs to be classical music / fine art / ballet dance, or more specifically the theory behind it, and not woke hip-hop deconstructed indigenous basket-weaving and shit.Ties into the next thing, if the end goal is to out-mog China in patriotism, then the way to bring that about isn't "here are some shitty rules you must obey", which is what they saw COVID and are seeing now. It just breeds resentment. Rather there needs to be cultivation of a common culture, and I think a huge part of the problem is that Australia doesn't really have a national culture, cuisine, etc. Like name one Australian composer or painter. But for the UK this would be people like Shakespeare and Pope for plays, Dickens and Hardy for novels, Keats and Byron for poetry, Turner and Constable for painting, Purcell and Elgar for composing, etc.(And again, we know it's obviously not really about preventing grooming since Discord and Roblox weren't impacted.)
>>107539617Kiwifarms did try out a Russian host for a while in late 2022 well after the invasion
>>107550358Not cute at all it's fucking dystopianAnd we almost got there in 2020
>>107554941grow tf up and accept that america does everything wrong
>>107551693>I am a chang, so give yourself a pat on the ass if it makes you feel good. But going to China and not being able to search Google, catch up on YouTube, post on Reddit/4chan, or nowadays even scroll Wikipedia has pissed me off every time.this isn't 2010, you can't do any of those things anymore anyways
>>107535047Very American post thank you.
>>107556429You're welcome
>>107536714Canada is India now, anon.
>>107534272Europe isn't blocking foreign websites enough and that is why it will die.China is wise to do this
>>107537203>repeal Section 230Good. All the corpos did was become publishers censoring what didn't go with the CurrentThing. Wasn't doing any good anyway so fuck it at this point.
>>107534272I wouldn't mind if they completely nuked it and let me finally leave this goddamn place.
>>107535077>The boomers in gov have no idea how technology worksI saw recently that in spain they shut down all of cloudflare when big soccer games are on because of a lawsuit against piracy streams lol.
>>107557862And kill 4chan?
