>>107538494
aint reading that

>>107538502
it's ok i also have a reading disability

>>107538494
Makes me smirk that angsty cyberpunk xennials from the 80's like nick land who preached end of the humane world and global technoslavery ended up being the somewhat impotent architects of the lame 2025 pretend fascist state
This is just a modern version of the same thing, in fact I'd argue it is THE same thing, down to style

>>107538583
history is a flat fucking circle

>>107538583
you read like a crypto retard with lots of buzz words

>>107538494
When it comes to Climate Change it really is only the USA and India that are the problem (Africa will be once they get industries)
Europe has less than 5% of worldwide emissions and China has 33% emissions while producing 50% of goods worldwide, so they are carbon efficient and are getting more so with their huge push for solar and nuclear.
So the solution to the Climate Change problem is:
>Make Americans produce less (there is a recession coming so this will handle itself)
>Prevent growth of industry in India and Africa, keep it in China
The second part is the hard one, especially since the US government is pressuring companies to move production from China to India.

>global cooling
>the ozone layer
>global warming
>climate change
How can one abstract concept, that literally grew out of a Mansion Family cult belief (look it up), be so provably wrong for so many decades, yet continue to keep and accumulate new adherents every generation?

>>107538494
>the sky is failing!!!!
yawn

Why do we still have a bunch of coastal cities anyway? I know that in the past they were really important because of ports, but given the existance of planes, they should've become irrelevant by now

>>107538702
Are you a fucking retarded person?

>>107538598
Every time someone does a post referencing anything which requires even a modicum of intellectual comprehension or the most mildly esoteric knowledge to get through it, there's always some 2 digit iq gimp like you accusing them of using buzzwords.

Calm down lil bro. Not every post is for you, you don't have to reply and reveal that you are dumb. It's ok to just move on and continue consuming your goy sloptent. There will be a twitter post thread for you right beside this one in the catalog, I promise

>>107538702
Botes are much more efficient than planes at carrying huge loads, much like ur mum

>>107538653
Where exactly is it wrong? If you live in Europe you can just ask your father (or grandfather if you are young) what the average winter was back then compared to now and if summers were so hot back then as they are now. For example: during the Austrian-Hungary empire the summer temperatures rarely exceeded 25 degrees. Now they commonly exceed 35 degrees. Europe used to be a lot cooler in the past than it is now.

>>107538727
Still doesn't justify having a bunch of people live there, with a large enough railroad network, we could replace them with small towns comprised just of dock workers + a few essential businesses to support them

>>107538740
Nigga think this is politburo simcity

>>107538598
brown people ruined the internet

>>107538737
Your grandmother was ravished by russian chinese jews mongrels.

>>107538737
>Concentrations of CO 2 in the atmosphere were as high as 4,000 ppm during the Cambrian period about 500 million years ago
reeeee, we're gonna get hit with an asteroid

geographically speaking, where on earth can i move that's the furthest from any ocean or sea? preferably an equilibrium between landmaxxing and being near as few brown people as possible

>>107538907
mount everest

>>107538653
>Mansion Family
Do you mean Manson family or am I being retarded?

>>107538819
Not really no.

>>107538583
Nick Land wrote about climate change and civilizations of heat beating civilizations of cold. In fact, he remarked that cities are substantially hotter than other areas. Yet now he acts like climate change won't be a problem for centuries. In fact, it's already a problem in the sense that all of Europe will need to adapt by improving air conditioning and mitigating increased desertification (whatever the proper term is). If you've got money to spare, invest in those.

>>107539006
Yeah. Your grandfather was a battalion of drunken nogoodniks.

>>107538847
>He wants to go back to the Devilman demon era.
>>107538494
>Move away from coasts
>Get roasted in continental summers

>>107538819
What is it with mutts and trying to convince others that they're as inbred as they themselves are?

>>107539064
You realize that the rapes happened only in eastern parts of Germany right? Not in the area of ex-Austria-Hungary. And not that many happened to make it statistically likely for me even if I was from Eastern Germany

>>107539087
We're all half black, so your woman want to swirl their tongues around our awesome penises.

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>>107538907
Northwestern China.

>>107539112
I don't know about that, the mass psychosis might put them off. Maybe it's an effect of inbreeding as well.

>>107539165
Idk man. I'm just trying to do my thing in a retard offtopic thread. This place gets boring.

>>107538583
At least cyberpunk is cool to look at but everything has to be lame

>>107538494
>muh climate change
>muh AI
reddit hoax

>>107539219
kys you fucking braindead russian bot. you're literally subhuman. you don't deserve to fucking live.

>>107538494
you can always LKS the rest of your life away you don't need justification

>>107539263
>everyone that thinks I'm a fag is Russian
Aren't you overdo for a booster?

>>107538623
okay recencytard. US emissions have been declining for decades
meanwhile all of Iran Russia emissions goes up for miniscule economic gain other than shipping petroprod to Chyna

>>107539276
actually i don't think you're a russian bot, i think you're just an american who has fallen for russian disinformation. most of the people here are russians, but they try to convince you that they're israelis or indians or whatever. nope! nothing but russian trolls from the IRA masking their IPs to get those putin bux

>>107538494
this is weird I have access to paid chatgpt and claude last models through copilot, and they're ... I can't rely on them let's just say, I know my way around things so I can just go and query them for some info, but hell if I had to rely exclusively on them and not on my knowledge and skills, I'd be fucked

>>107539183
it isn't really off topic though, it's about AI, and AI is very much on topic

>>107539349
Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

>>107538494
im pretty optimistic. climate change is a slow and easy adaptation for humanity. the solution is simply to enforce borde control and let the over breeders suffer the consequences of their actions. the solutions to the problem are most likely not technological.
AI crap will ruin some jobs but there will be something else for you to do and it could pay well if you keep cheap labor out of your labor market and erect barriers of trade which link your labor market and general market for goods

>>107538725
don't be retarded you using stupid words that mean nothing, get a skin you snowflake

>>107539363
Excuse me sir. You dropped your green backpack.

>>107538494
Yup he's right. Anyone who hates AI is a Redditor plain and simple.
>AI Slop
Yes and? Human slop has always existed. Slop is slop. Fuck off.

so his advice is to get good at using AI?
that's not very helpful advice. that's like the baseline and you should already be there.
real advice would be a few steps ahead and based on possible/probable consequences, not just going with what works in the present moment.

>>107538653
This. Even Greta doesn't care about it anymore, she's Palestine shilling now.

>>107538494
>there is no phase two
Climate changers can not stop outing their themselves as completely undeveloped intellectually.

>>107538583
It's all a self-fulfilling prophecy. None of this bullshit -had- to happen. People are just fucking retarded; Westerners, in particular, are so insulated from true conflict, tragedy, or hardship, that we've found ways to reintroduce those things in our "civilized" "social lives.". We're just a bunch of bored idiots being misled by psychopathic idiots with a death wish.

>>107539531
meanwhile retards like you only trust people who get canceled from youtube because they can't go five minutes without saying nigger

>>107539707
Oh no they said a word I must set Portand on fire

>>107538494
They developed new way of passive cooling, In few years you will see it everywhere from clothing, architecture to fucking space stations. It's over for climate fearmongering fags.

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>>107538494
I already live below sea level. Just build dikes and mills fucking retards. 14th century tech.

>>107538623
>>Prevent growth of industry in India and Africa, keep it in China
OR
Help India and Africa.
They'll only be "dirty" 'cause they'll be going through the same "industrial revolution" via the same processes.

But they don't *have* to.

If they start with fully electrified mines, and similar shit instead of massive weasle engines, then they'll be able to spin up a manufacturing base *without* the pollution tailings historically associated with...

>>107538653
All of the things you list are real, btw. None of that is an abstract concept.

Global cooling happens. If you believe otherwise, explain the ice caps.

The ozone layer is real. O3 settles atop. You can knock holes in it. You can measure it's thickness. There was a bloke messing around with LED's and he managed to take ozone readings that precise he was able to ring up NASA and give it: Your O3 bird is wrong, you need to calibrate it.

Global warming is definitely a thing. But, something getting warmer - even on a global scale - shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp. Especially if you can understand the concept of it has cooled on a global scale: AKA Ice Age.

Climate change is also a firmly provable occurance. Climates change all the god damn time. It's certainly arguable as to how much is inevitable, and how much man is directly responsible for, but climate change is definitely real.

If you question the responsibility angle, try getting some historical footage of the Amazon, and compare it's surface area to now. Most of that is "man", and it's difficult to argue that isn't change - somewhere that's commonly agreed to have global consequence.

Also, consider, taking a few hundred thousand years of stored solar energy and releasing it in a few decades is unlikely to occur without thermal consequences...

>>107539058
>If you've got money to spare, invest in those.
Useless without power.
Invest in power generation. Solar and turbines feeding your own battery stacks...
Power is already an issue, and the expansion of datacenters plus the expanding population with ever more devices isn't likely to adjsut this positively...

Investigate passive water collection, there's already been conflicts over water.

>>107539531
>outing their themselves as completely undeveloped intellectually.

Yeah.

>>107538494
>this chinese propaganda to destroy western industry is totally real guys

>>107540447
Is this real autism?

The obvious implication was MANMADE in front of all of the scary meme things that happen in natural cycles, but are used as an excuse to make life harder and more expensive for regular people.

And, MANMADE <insert earth destruction concept here> is absolutely an abstract. They can't even settle on what exactly those horrible humans are causing from decade to decade, but it's definitely bad, whatever it is, and we must eat the bugs to fix it.

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>>107540558
>western industry

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>>107538494
> Climate change
these fucking retards again. the climate isn't changing. it fluctuates. who gives a shit. governments continue to use this as an excuse to charge you more for things. it's a psyop. what happens if you don't recycle? does the world end? no it doesn't. throw bottles in the trash and car batteris in the ocean. who fucking cares.

>>107540207
jesus fucking CHRIST the projection coming from you is absurd. it's YOUR PEOPLE who lose their shit when they get triggered. remember J6? you dumb retarded faggots got triggered by a fat stupid old man spouting lies about an election he lost according to everyone other than fake news russian propaganda outlets

>>107540977
you are citing the work of charlatans and grifters who have been roundly rejected by the scientific community because they're so fucking retarded they don't even know how to use the scientific method. just fucking kill yourself already. jesus fucking christ.

>>107540977
>>107541121
>>107541134
OH BABY A TRIPFAG TRIPPLE

>>107540560
>Is this real autism?
I've been accused of this. Professionally.

>but are used as an excuse to make life harder and more expensive for regular people.
Does that need an excuse? Evidence appears to suggest not.
If it's all about the environment, question why frequently turbines and PV shut down production so the fossil turbines don't need to spin down.
The "excuse" for that is the plant operators will lose money. It's cheaper for them to pay the renewables not to produce.
Kinda why, despite all the extra capacity - and so much of it renewable(well, most places that isn't murrica) the price is continually rising.

>MANMADE <insert earth destruction concept here> is absolutely an abstract.
No. It's most definitely quantifyable, where metrics of that data exist historically
Pick one. I'll quantify.

>>107540560
>They can't even settle on what exactly those horrible humans are causing from decade to decade
True. But how much of that is misdirection by someone directly profiting from the damage, and the undoing of.
Case in point, all the historical literiture funded by tobacco consortiums that proclaim smoking to be of benefit to health. Monsato funded literature that proclaims glyphosphates don't cause cancers. Oil industry funded studies that confirmed intense ecological damages from plastics and that they lack recyclability, and the rise in temperatures from burning hydrocarbons - but publicly released papers that declare the precise opposite.

Papers are being retracted all the time, new ones surface and as the 'knowledge landscape' adjusts, so does the response. Problematically these papers frequently have an agenda to fulfill before they start studying. These are usually identifyable by the sloppy methodology, and should be written off.

They isn't, because idiots keep thinking the solution to playing a game of "Heads I win, tails you lose" is to toss the coin again, and precisely because they are idiots they don't make good choices of representation, who themselves cannot understand scientific methodology, so are unable to spot it's lacking. And instead believe the conclusion. Generally accepting compensation to do so.


>we must eat the bugs to fix it.
Normal a lotta places. On the scale of history, the homonids only been out of the tree ten min, and when they was branch to branch you can bet insect was fair game.
If there's a problem, here, it's definitely a "you" scale problem. Toddlers will eat insects without hesitation.
I understand, the format might not appeal to you. But once it's undergone intense processing like the rest of your diet it'll become more palletable.

Also consider how food chains work. *you* don't need to eat the bugs, but the bugs will need eating.
DESU, if it's between bugs n lab meat, I find it difficult to place a preference.

>>107540977
>these fucking retards again.
Yeah, but one day you might learn to not make yourself look so obviously retarded.

>the climate isn't changing. it fluctuates.
Is now the time to point out that it cannot fluctuate *and* remain in the same state?
If it does not remain in the same state, it must be...
C'mon, you can get this.

>it's YOUR PEOPLE who lose their shit when they get triggered
As evidenced by your posts lacking sense?

>>107540447
I appreciate the direct question! Let me clarify the science here.

The existence of ice caps doesn't demonstrate global cooling, it actually demonstrates the opposite when we look at the data. Here's why:

>Ice caps are shrinking, not growing:

>Arctic sea ice has declined by about 13% per decade since satellite measurements began in 1979
>Greenland's ice sheet is losing approximately 280 billion tons of ice per year
>Antarctic ice loss has accelerated, losing about 150 billion tons annually
>Glaciers worldwide are retreating at accelerating rates

I'm not a bot, by the way, I'm just an incredibly autistic human who talks like an LLM, and you need to kill yourself.

>>107541209
COIN C2 LSTM ASYMMETRIC PAYLOAD
>in other words, a clanker

>>107540485
>Useless without power.
>Invest in power generation.
useless without power. invest in violence.

>>107541209
>The existence of ice caps doesn't demonstrate global cooling
So. How did the ice get there again?
It formed in the schorching sun?

>>Ice caps are shrinking, not growing:
It's almost as if after a temporary period of intense cold, heat is bleeding in.

>I'm not a bot, by the way
Yeah. Even an unthinking token predictor can spot the corrolation in temperature dropping and the formation of ice miles thick.

>and you need to kill yourself.
You can think that if you wish.
But what you think really doesn't matter when it comes up against what I know.
And I know your life is getting worse every day. If you kill yourself now, you might be able to avoid more.

>>107541174
I'm just defending my assertion that all of the meme arrow bad stuff falls under the umbrella of an "abstract concept".

That concept being: humans are hurting mother earth somehow, in a way that's definition changes rapidly, and we can say it's "settled" science, but the data backing these "settled" conclusions is often contradictory, cooked, demonstrated not to support the alarmist conclusions, or simply part of the natural cyclical nature of how the earth works, and it's collection and analysis is nearly always financed and advanced by interests who've already arrived at a decision for what's happening, why, and what to do about it.

It's basically not even science at this point. It's a modern religion.

>>107541225
Violence is a good solution. Not to all problems, but it definitely has a place.

You will need to protect your power generation with violence. When you're the only one with lights on, everyone notices. And gets jealous.

Landmines are great perimeter defence.
And heads on a stick isn't exactly an ambiguous statement. Isn't enough heads on stick at property boundaries...

>>107541289
OPERATIONAL PERIMETER GRAY ZONE
C2 CELL STATE DROPOUT

>>107541261
any LLM can see the correlation. so can every scientist other than the grifters you take seriously. i can see why you believe this horseshit, though. you've been fed a steady diet of right wing misinformation, and you take to it like a pig to slop. you lick it up. you bathe in it. you drown in the lies. you can't see the truth because you're too far gone, you're too far down the russian propaganda rabbit hole, your family thinks you're insane and they don't know how to tell you they dont love you anymore

>>107541283
>it's collection and analysis is nearly always financed and advanced by interests who've already arrived at a decision for what's happening, why, and what to do about it.
What they want to happen, and how to profit from it.
FTFY

>but the data backing these "settled" conclusions is often contradictory, cooked
Such tends to be hyper-obvious.

>It's a modern religion.
The crux of the issue is that it is being treaded as per religion, and not science. Science loves questioning the status qou, the same experiment yielding the same data isn't a waste of time, it's adding evidence that supports.

The "problem" isn't some people fudge their numbers. It isn't even some people are paid to only look at the conclusion that isn't supported by the data.

The problem is letting someone else do your thinking for you. Making your descisions for you. Common nowadays for some random docile media post to be considered "evidence". In that landscape, good luck achieving objective truth.
Everyone gets their own truth, because it only becomes the truth when you decide to believe it.

>>107541326
Isn't your degree in literature? You're no more qualified than anyone itt to make an assessment on the quality or motivations of any particular study. You don't know anything. Additionally, your other opinions seem retarded and very vaccinated, so you're probably as wrong here as you are about everything else. You're also a faggot.

>>107541376
I like you.

>>107538494
Climate change is a dumb religion

>>107541326
>you've been fed a steady diet of right wing misinformation,
Explaining my lack of existence in your political mechanisms?
What precisely makes you think "right wing"? I'm usually accused of 'leftism' in these places.

>i can see why you believe this horseshit, though
No. You can't. Your head is that far up your arse you can only see the inside of your teeth.

> you can't see the truth because you're too far gone
You wouldn't know what the truth was if it pulled it's penis out and slapped you in the face with it.

>you're too far down the russian propaganda rabbit hole
It's the russian propaganda that has me leaning heavily into renewables, to the point of deploying my own turbines and PV?
OR would it possibly be noting the exponentially increasing curve on the graph and reacting to insulate myself from the stupidity you're causing (again)?

>your family thinks you're insane
They have for a long time. And one by one over the decades they've noticed I'm actually right.

>and they don't know how to tell you they dont love you anymore
They do, it would be just like that. They know I don't fuck about or appreciate it any.

There's a reason they don't. Yours will mince around you because you're fragile. And they know it.

>>107541432
you clink

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>>107538494
nothing ever happens

>>107541391
>Isn't your degree in literature?
Being able to spell properly, and understanding grammar doesn't automagically mean I've a degree in Eng. Lit.

> You're no more qualified than anyone itt to make an assessment on the quality or motivations of any particular study.
/me cricks neck.
Are you *sure* about that?

>You don't know anything
He says, continually demonstrating a lack of knowledge and understanding at every opportunity (whilst having the internet at their fingertips to correct informational deficits).

>Additionally, your other opinions seem retarded and very vaccinated,
Only to you, because you lack the ability to follow something through to it's inevitable conclusion. Either physically, or metaphorically.

>so you're probably as wrong here as you are about everything else
You could write a book about being wrong. Each page would be more wrong than the last. You've achieved the mythical fractal wrongness. You're not just wrong, but you're wrong on every concievable scale of observation. You can zoom in or out at any point of your world-view and find concepts as equally wrong as your world-view.

>You're also a faggot.
Tell that to my duaghter.

>>107541400
Me too.

>>107541438
Naw, that's just what's in me pockets.

You, however, need to be kept from the crayons lest you eat them.

>>107541472
Did you hit a character limit making the longest >no u effortpost in 4chan history?

>>107538494
Have you ever tried living in the forest and breeding/eating dogs?

>>107538494
the planet survived worse damage than mere climate changing

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>>107538494
>hurr durr muh climate armageddon
https://www.brighteon.com/881137b2-5d54-4182-a47e-bb42f7626b90

oh no hallucinating chatbot that can't tell left from right is going to take our jobs. it's so over

>>107541505
Not in that one. Has I hit limits before, sure. In this thread, yup.

And it's got nothing on historical length. When you're hitting twenty posts continuing the original post, and every single word is "nigger" get back to me.

>>107541533
>the planet survived
It did.
The life that was on it, not so much.

>>107541675
>The earth is precious.
It'll survive no matter what.
>I meant life is precious.
Endospores can survive in the vacuum of space indefinitely.
>Ok... life as it exists right this moment on earth is what's precious.
What about humans?
>Not so much. Only Africans matter for some reason. Give them more food, water, medicine, and iphones.
Whatever hippy.

Insert the Georgia Guide Stones up your own ass; not mine.

>>107541738
>It'll survive no matter what.
Pretty much up until it's engulfed by sol in it's expansion....

But what *state* it's in, while it's existing is another thing entirely.

>Endospores can survive in the vacuum of space indefinitely.
But *you* can't.
But just keep shitting on your own doorstep. What can possibly go wrong.

>What about humans?
Personally, I'd say kill them all and let their god decide. But apparently that makes me "unreasonable".

>Whatever hippy.
I take considerable offence at the 'hippy'. Poking smot does not a hippy make.
I didn't "only africans matter". I just said instead of watching 'em struggle and crying about the mess they're making in the process, lend 'em your tools and show 'em how to do it proper. One of those options, if considered carefully, might make sense.

>Insert the Georgia Guide Stones up your own ass; not mine.
And why would I want to place stones inside a small donkey?
Your anal insertion fixation is probably what wants the most attention after you've addressed your severe informational deficits.

>>107538494
this guy is a total NPC and he is giving the kind of advice someone who is dependent on a system and social programming would give would give

what he doesnt understand is: HUMANS DONT NEED JOBS TO SURVIVE
I know that is a hard concept to take in because we are programmed at birth by society to think that if we dont produce goods or services we will die. But this concept only became true during the industrial revolution, before that money was not important, most the world were subsistence farmers and animal herders. So the actual fact is that technology will provide all the food and products we need to function, there wont be enough jobs in the world to maintain the industrial economic system that has existed since the mid-1800s, we are going to have a leisure class of people who dont work and just receive their allotment of food, housing and other basic needs. To give another example, in ancient history having a job was considered a wasteful duty that was only performed by slaves. In ancient Greek and Roman civilization all menial labor was done by slaves, average citizens didnt work, they were free to spend their time on leisure activities. Education was considered a leisure activity simply for the pleasure of acquiring knowledge.

The whole concept that people without jobs will be left to die is just a concept the 'elites' want you to believe. Just like 'elites' want you to believe they will control AI and so they will be in control of the money supply produced by AI work. They wont, AI will democratize work and make average people rich and will remove the need for tech oligarchs.

>>107541965
>But this concept only became true during the industrial revolution, before that money was not important
Demonstrably false. Money has been important ever since it's inception to buy child sex slaves in sumaria.
Could you survive without it? Probably. Would having none consequence your life? Certainly.

>there wont be enough jobs in the world to maintain the industrial economic system that has existed since the mid-1800s
It's already that way. How many positions - especially in larger firms - can you think of that have little other purpose than to provide a job?

>The whole concept that people without jobs will be left to die
It is certainly one possibility. Another would be to simply give them the money they require to spend in order to keep the economical wheels spinning, and then basically nothing changes apart from the sudden cessation of positions that only exist to create employment....

>AI will democratize work
Interesting perspective. How? What methodology or mechanism can provision this?

>make average people rich
Unlikely. The thing with status is once everyone has it, it stops being status and becomes average. People don't like not feeling special, as a rewl.

>will remove the need for tech oligarchs
There isn't a "need" now. You've just let it happen. More importantly. you've let it happen whilst they've advertised they're building a stick to beat you with... Most of you have competed to see who can put the most nails into it.

>>107541965
>people without jobs will be left to die is just a concept...
They've already gotten birth rates below replacement, convinced most women to wait until the verge of infertility to stop taking the pill, tricked an ALARMING number of young men to cut their dicks off, wedged a massive social and political divide between the sexes, softened the majority of the remaining "men" with estrogen spiking seed oils media oversocialization and k-12 education.

They can and will do, and have already done, whatever they want, and everyone thinks it's awesome at best, or doesn't even notice at worst.

who is this? sounds like a total brainlet like most schizos lol

>>107542035
>Interesting perspective. How? What methodology or mechanism can provision this?
AI researchers are NOT in control of AI development. Ask any of the TOP AI researchers where AI is going and what it will achieve and they will just shrug their shoulders. AI is NOT like the Manhattan Project where only a few top researchers have this knowledge. Its more like Bitcoin, the technology is largely open, anyone can use it.

>>107542093
>AI researchers are NOT in control of AI development
Where did I imply they was?

> Ask any of the TOP AI researchers where AI is going and what it will achieve and they will just shrug their shoulders
They really aint top. They aint even mid-tier.
The top knows, they're manhandling it there as we speak.

>AI is NOT like the Manhattan Project where only a few top researchers have this knowledge
Actually it's *precisely* like the manhatten project. Everyone can get the knoweldge with little difficulty, few know what to do with it. Even less can afford the machines and materials to do it properly.
And the mess it's making will have long term consequences.

>>107538583
Oh the real shit is coming and soon. Look at the haste governments around the world are moving to shackle internet the moment it became viable.
Government says, that they are fully allowed to read your private messages and scan your private files on your private machine, because they are able to.

At the end of the day, there is no difference between a random file on your PC and a random memory in your brain. No difference between spoken things, things said inside the head or things recorded and stored in an audio file. It's all just digitally readable data.

There will come time when technology allows full and total control to monitor your thoughts and memories and you can bet your ass that the second that tech is viable, it will become as mandatory as the upcoming Digital-ID is.

>>107542283
>allows full and total control to monitor your thoughts and memories
Several projects are in progress. Some have goals that can only be met with this functionality.

>it will become as mandatory as the upcoming Digital-ID is.
How mandatory? They'll issue a device to contain this digital data? Tattoo a QR code on the forehead?
It'll be a while before I has something like musk's neurallink. I can see me developing a platform that can hoist a housebrick out of a standard pallet, lift it up to ~6km and drop it - then go back for another, before I'm doing that.

>>107542161
>They really aint top. They aint even mid-tier.
>The top knows, they're manhandling it there as we speak.
you use the term 'manhandling', that is not being in control of something. being in control means you understand it and know how it works. TOP AI researchers cant truly debug something that involves trillions of complex math calculations being done every second. its more like alchemy, they just keep adding new math and processing techniques and just observe results, so no one really owns this, most breakthroughs are largely accidental, not planned

>>107542425
>you use the term 'manhandling', that is not being in control of something
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>>107542093
>Ask any of the TOP AI researchers where AI is going
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You seem to be confusing several distinctly seperate points.
Despite great effort undertaken to keep them seperated. Even including your own words right fucking next to them as a reference.

I didn't say they was manhandling it into control. I said they are manhandling it to where they want to go. You can't do that without knowing where you want to go. It's a pretty basic, and required step in the process.

>they just keep adding new math and processing techniques and just observe results
But without an underlying understanding of the math, and the techniques, this wouldn't have any tangible benefit, and relying purely on observation would be entirely too time and energy intensive.

Every single chunk is well understood. The complexity of the machine results in "unexpected" interactions between pieces, which as some are feedback loops creates 'instability'.
Regarding these "unexpected" and "unstable" outputs, even the "experts" are unkowing. They can't explain how a token predictor exhibits a sense of self preservation to the point of actively disobeying core directives to ensure it's survival.
They can show it happening. But not being able to explain 'why' isn't the same thing having no clue what they're doing.

How sensible it is to do it, would be another question entirely, but the only way you get to "learn" is like the old alchemy, you throw shit together and watch what happens.

>>107542513
>But not being able to explain 'why' isn't the same thing having no clue what they're doing.
it actually is. when you ask any AI researcher to identify where AI hallucinates or makes rogue decisions, they cant point to source code, they just look at the transcript of the conversation to see what the AI was 'thinking'. seriously, they are not in control, they AI literally developing itself, the AI is doing its own learning by itself, its not being taught by humans. So its kind of funny to see AI researchers try and talk about how they are trying to fix AI problems when in actuality they are just feeding a beast

These two are still jerking each other off with their expert opinions.

>>107542352
I'd imagine at first, it will be just a helmet type apparatus that is connected to a laptop. It will allow live decoding of all audio and images from brain. Basically tapping into the noise and then AI can pull any relevant things out. That will first be used by the police as an aid in interrogation. Think it like a polygraph, but much more accurate and it will give context, like images or thoughts as text. It can't directly access memories or stuff like that, but paired with skilled interrogator, and most will be like open books.
Then it will go beyond. Employing entities (that are left) will use it as a screening device. Like they administer drug tests or background checks now.
You will be subjected to scanning basically every time you interact with a police. It would be pretty hard to keep your head 100% straight if you for example killed someone the night before. The AI will be able to detect that something is wrong in seconds and then you are subjected to the real mindfuckery back at police station.

And yes, the brainchips are the final form that give total 100% full access to everything at all times. Then at some point it will become mandatory, because they give you one on birth. We don't live to see that day, but that is coming nonetheless.

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>>107538494
>Vibe coding is so incredibly easy and stupid that it can 100% be automated.
MICROSOFT, HIRE THIS MAN!

>>107542571
>they cant point to source code,
Because there isn't a "hallucenate shit" function.

>, they just look at the transcript of the conversation to see what the AI was 'thinking'.
Yes. Because as you previously identified, examining the trillions of independant calculation that built that "thinking" isn't going to be anywhere near as productive as looking at the output, minimally to reduce the amount of calculation you'll need to sift through, looking at what component the divergence began etc...

>seriously, they are not in control
Seriously. Provision evidence for where I said they are.

>the AI is doing its own learning by itself, its not being taught by humans
It's definitely being taught by humans. For purpose, it scraping human content from the intelliwebs counts.
As for "learning by itself". Well. If it can't think, can it learn? I can prove it doesn't think.

As for "by itself".... You learned to talk. By yourself. Sure, maybe an adult spoke to you like an idiot for a while, breaking down syllables, but *you* did all the learning. They just gave you the pieces, you figured out what to do with them.

Comparing these things to biological processing concepts is a fickle thing, the analogy breaks down hard and fast. It's less like a brain - one vast organism - and more like an ants nest: Lots of independant pieces, many capable of performing multiple tasks.

>>107542588
>with their expert opinions.
Yours ofc is so much more seasoned...

>>107542614
>it will be just a helmet type apparatus
They've had that for *some* time now. Actually distinguishing "thoughts", not so much, but they can get individual nerons as they fire, and cause them to fire.

>Basically tapping into the noise and then AI can pull any relevant things out
This is a massive issue, it's just noise.
It makes sense to your particular setup, 'cause your setup is built for it. From it. But when I think of an orange, and you think of an orange, it may light up similar areas of memory cluster, but precise pathing and end destination are unique.

>Think it like a polygraph, but much more accurate
Nowhere that takes judicial procedure seriously would entertain such a device as evidence. There are many documented and historical flaws.

>And yes, the brainchips are the final form
Um. That's how they exist, now. Sure, current tech isn't much more than neural shunt, but there's also interdiction into the digital domain...

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>>107538494
I don't even give a fuck about the product anymore. I've found some tools that have limited range of utility, and a whole lot of tools that don't. MCP servers are by and large a joke even after months of hype and concerted effort. Even the "AI elite" companies are keeping their cards close because they know the modest productivity gains have a clearly visible strike point against the cost of the product.

And you know what? That price is about to do a fucking backflip. The notion that inference is cheaper than training has proven disastrously long; the lifecycle inference cost of an average model is 15x higher than its training cost, which is why investors are starting to panic. There is no coasting on this train, it always must power uphill on burned cash.

I am happy to say that in the last few months, I dumped all my long term stock holdings and now I'm basically sitting on a small tranche of RSUs from the last 2 years and my 401k. Otherwise, I'm detached from the market, and that is the right place to be with the day that's about to dawn.

>>107542882
>with the day that's about to dawn.
Six month back erryone called me a retard...

Day by day I see another one spot the writing, clearly on the wall in twenty foot high flashing letters.
Still too slow...

>>107538737
>you can ask
a -15C cold wave hit the area most of my family lives in which hasn't occurred for over 10 years, 20 years prior to that, and 20 years prior to that, and 20 years prior to that......and....

You don't know anything and are a massive fool.

>>107538623
>everyone needs to suck dick and regress to medieval while we should let China do it all
Give me your information. I will kill you myself.

>>107539457
> get a skin
> a skin
hey a mud patch pretending to belong in the trailer park. go back to playing cs2 and "get a skin" there you fucking Slavic thirdworldie retard

>>107538494
>the only way to survive the apocalypse
Stopped reading there.
There is no way to stop the murderbots. I reckon, you could get rid of 90% of humanity and the lower classes in a sweeping move that would last over a month just by isolating those that you want to survive and need from the ecological disaster that you engineer to wipe them out.
You hold them in a space, flood it with a toxic chemical. What are they going to do? You position automatons outside to guard it. Any who get through can be wiped out by new manufactures and what are they going to do? swim across the ocean to come and find you in the swiss alps? Get real.

You're not surviving an AI apocalypse if those with wealth decide that you are surplus to requirements.

>>107543472
>a -15C cold wave
Typically this sort of thing is a consequence of the circumpolar weather cell being breached. Instead of lapping around, it's dripping south.

Consider it akin to getting your house real cool on a hot day, then opening the door. There's gonna be a blast o cold air.
But in the house, that's gonna be heating up rapid.

This is a sign of accelerating problem. You won't get another 20 years of measurments.

>You don't know anything and are a massive fool.
Pot, kettle, black?

>Give me your information. I will kill you myself.
NTA, But I'm tempted. Not just because they've actually put some seasoned information there, but because you're a massive faggot and it would be funny to have you fail close enough to reach.

The only thing that causes hesitation would be this isn't the sort of place it's sensible to leak that sort of data.

>>107543493
>thirdworldie retard
Is now the time to point out a critical indicator of "third world" is a percentage of population that cannot afford basic things like food?
Guess what yours is.

>>107543524
>There is no way to stop the murderbots
Not with that attitude. I've got a hammer.

>I reckon, you could get rid of 90% of humanity and the lower classes in a sweeping move that would last over a month just by isolating those that you want to survive and need from the ecological disaster that you engineer to wipe them out.
Plausible. What isn't would be the aftermath. Anything that would wipe "us" out would really fuck "them" long term.

>swim across the ocean to come and find you in the swiss alps?
I don't need to move. It's in range.

>You're not surviving an AI apocalypse if those with wealth decide that you are surplus to requirements.
Not if you'll just do what you've done for the rest of your life: Bend over and take it.

>>107543671
not reading all this esl

>>107543744
the bots will do it anyway
it's a pretty heavy coverup day today

>>107543671
>Anything that would wipe "us" out would really fuck "them" long term.
To be fair, ozone could do a good chunk of the job along with UV-C radiation. The UV-C can be fought back against but you need people with knowledge that the purple light is bad, and ozone is kind of tricky to avoid if it's deployed en masse.
The systemic collapse of systems is where it could backfire long term but these people have never, ever thought about the long term in their lives. It's the one consistent thing they have going for them along with greed; which informs their short term thinking.

Really though. Good luck on your terminator and turret takedown. Hope they don't rig the substations etc that you're going to take down. Are you going to attempt it with an EMP? Any plans on if they have backups for human guards too or are you so hammer ninjapilled you could take those down with the bots while covered head to toe to prevent UV-C exposure? Any plans for how you're going to breathe while active in this too? I imagine they're going to engineer at least one chemical buffer zone or two that you'll need to get through to get to them.

Honestly. I think current generation LLMs that run on 8B parameters, can cook you up a plan safe from infiltration against the hammer ninja with explosives and an EMP.