Why are all the Chinese LLMs open source? I have my own thoughts about this. China is operating with the historical knowledge of what happened to Japan in the computer race. Japan was neck and neck with the US for most of the computer race, but the US ended up taking everything because Japan bet on hardware and the US bet on software. I think China watched what happened, and they'r5e making their LLMs open source to undermine the success of US LLMs. If China can offer a free model that's almost as good, then nobody really wins the AI race. It undermines the advantage that the US has, and pre emptively prevents the US from just taking everything
And if the US is going to take the whole cake and you can't have a piece of it you may as well stomp on the cake. China isn't traditionally known for open source software. But with LLMs, with Deepseek, Qwen, and other models they're going all in on it
>>107539980Yeah, I dont know if you're up to date on the latest AI image generation models, but Z-Image has been pretty game changing. It's also totally open source. This image took my M5 MBP just a couple of seconds to generate. I dont think there's a comparable Open Source equivalent from a US company.OpenAI, Google & Anthropic are holding their good stuff behind a walled garden
Not to mention community projects like WAI Illustrious if you prefer anime style illustrations...
US would push to ban proprietary chink models on copyright grounds or something
>>107540273Is there any news on how much VRAM the base model will need when it releases? I'm quite pleased with the distill, but would like if I could run the base too.
>>107539980>Japan was neck and neck with the US for most of the computer racelmao my ass off. Arcade games and video game consoles are their thing, serious computing is not. I love Japan too, but they have never been close to competing with the West in the computer department,
>>107539980That could be part of it, but things like games and other media coming out of china are hardly "chinese" only. American companies are able to experiment more openly without having to worry about getting stuck in copyright/trademark litigation.Z-Image is basically the new SDXL. It's already good out-of-the-box for a lot of stuff, but lacks in diversity of output... meaning a lot of the prompts result in same-looking results. But it's fast runs on low-spec hardware so that along puts it ahead of something like Flux.Flux has better quality output if you can run it, but Flux 2 will generally require that you step down to a Q5 variant to make it work on the same hardware that a non-quantized Flux1 could run on...and you lose a lot of the best features of Flux2 by doing that, though you gain the improved prompt adherence since it uses mistral rather than T5.
>>107540417>US would push to ban proprietary chink models on copyright grounds or somethingNot really. Kling AI is chinese, closed, and doing business in the US. It does images and video and is probably the best at what it does.
>>107540439I’d disagree. They had a later start, but by the 80s many of their home PCs were superior in capabilities to those in the West. But they took an approach more like AMIGA, where there were multiple lines of largely incompatible lines of hardware from different companies, using platform specific hardware. Once the IBM PC took off they got flattened.
>>107540417Idk if they’d go that far. There have always been free/open source alternatives to paid software (Linux & OpenBSD are the best examples) and the US never tried to outright ban them. However, it’s pretty safe to assume US search engines will go out of their way to suppress guides & details regarding open source alternatives.
>>107540521The issue with open-source search engines is that nowadays trying to crawl the web is nigh-impossible. YaCy exists, but it’s kind of dumb when it comes to the actual searching. Other than that I’m not aware of any useful P2P OSS search engines, all the other ones are meta-search engines which combine results from multiple commercial indexers
>>107540511They were rolling PCs based on 68K processors and dedicated video/audio hardware as "baseline" back when US computers were putting around with XT and 'pc speaker sound emulation' that was just a bunch of crude beeps.Things didn't really shift until the late 90s where PC hardware became affordable and Windows 95 / Win98 made it user-friendly enough for the average boomer to use. The 68K was the better CPU for the era, technically, especially in terms of cost and "openness", but Intel/Windows became a standard once the momentum peaked in the 2000s.
>>107539980it's not just undermining costs it's also making more optimized and smaller models that are cheap to inference. america is banking on moar layers slop and bloating as much as possible to secure hardware with government handouts and VC money. the chinese are calling their bluff.>>107540310that was a Korean company dipshit
>>107540615>“Community projects like WAI”>“ThATs FrOm A KoReAn CoMPany, nOT a ChInEsE CoMPanY DiPShIT!!”I never said it was Chinese dawg. Also you can’t even name which “Korean Company” made it or provide a link of said company claiming ownership.You literally made that up & called me stupid for not knowing about your little fanfiction.
>>107539980>China makes shit.>Shit's easily reproducible, so every small startup in and outside of China can produce their shit.>Suddenly shit's in various editions and versions is everywhere and you can buy it for literal pennies.It's not a new principle, basically all kinds of Chinesium crap was produced like this.
