>$600>already reached goal of 2000 preorders>5000 preorders as of now>still not a single hands-on overview video of the phones performance>somehow cant afford to invest in a prototype to do soyeah im gonna go ahead and ruin the fun right now and spoil it.... its going to be utter and total dogshit. I saw a bunch of headlines talking about this phone and got excited only to find out its make believe, theres not a single video showcasing how the phone operates. 5k people so far have been scammed right now it seems
Loonuxfags will never learn their lesson.
>>107544040Im a loonixfag, but everyone (even most loonixfags) know that linux phones are dogshit. So if a company is going to make a linux phone, you better having a god damn video of it in operation at the very fucking least. They gained roughly 3 million dollars so far, how have they not showcased a demonstration of the thing? Whose even buying this
I see they advertise a privacy switch button. Is it just an airplane mode toggle or does it actually disconnects the camera, mic and 5G antenna?I remember either purism or librem seething because hardware kill switches are actually really hard to implement.
>>107544305>whose even buyingnumber is fake and gay if you didnt verify yourself.when you see people lining up at stores do you believe they are all spending their own money and werent hired?
>>107544007Not gonna go ahead and defend a product I'm not even buying, but shouldn't the experience be equal or better than running SailfishOS on an Xperia? Just watch any vid trying out Sailfish
>>107544007that hardware looks like it came from 2017
>>107544007Easy 3 million dollars there, not bad
>>107544007>No headphone jack
>>107544342>SailfishOS on an Xperia?Didnt know this, so i just did a youtube search on it. Turns out sailfishos isnt even opensource. At least thats whats covered in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbYPoiZh8wg. So its not even using a FOSS operating system holy shit. 5000 people just got doublekiked
>>107544456If you go on their website you can only install a "trial" version and you gotta pay up for the full OS with android apps compatibility
>>107544448That ship has sailed.Adapters sound as good as the DACs that phones used to have and only cost $5.
>>107544448>imagine... a phone identical to iOS and android phones but its le lenix instead!!!!Only rich autists that want a phone for tinkering and not to actually use as a phone will buy this. Which i can actually understand, but it wont function well as a daily driving phone>>107544510Paying for your OS is the new zoomer linux philosophy now
>>107544040>>107544305>>107544337This goes for all early adopter technologies. However, this is a case of people desperate to break free from corpo-control, but alas, it is still folly from an end user perspective.People used to be paid to alpha and beta test products. What a bleeding edge retarded world we live in now.Built by enshittification™
i didnt buy it because Sailfish OS is not open source and can't run desktop Linux apps
>>107545169>Sailfish OS is not open source and can't run desktop Linux appsWhy would anyone use this over Android?
>>107545215exactly. i just use GrapheneOSi would buy the Sailfish phone though if you can install any Linux distro on it, like the Pine Phone but with better hardware
I used a Jolla C phone with Sailfish 2.0, it was awesome back then. Using a buttonless gesture UI in 2016 felt great. Then Jolla's financial troubles began and they pivoted from one thing to another, trying to get support from Russian, pivoting to automotive OS, then trying to form deals with Huawei and Sony. They're constantly short of money which is why they converted Sailfish into a subscription service after 4.0.It is difficult for a small company like Jolla to survive, they had to cancel their tablet back in 2014, wouldn't be surprised if this phone got cancelled too.>>107544040>>107544305This is not a Linux phone. If Sailfish is considered 'Linux' then Android is Linux too.
>>107545845They should take my advice and release a demo video with a prototype, maybe they'd get more funding.>This is not a Linux phone. If Sailfish is considered 'Linux' then Android is Linux too.Android just uses the linux kernel, sailfishOS uses the kernel and x11/wayland for dm, uses glibc, has gnu utilities, traditional linux package management, uses systemd as init system.Failfish seems way more linux than android to me
>>107545215you get a proper glibc userland not some bionic bullshit, all cli linux apps work out of the box, you get root as a checkbox in settings, no need to root/flash or other jumping through hoops, you get full systemd/dbus/cron etc standard linux, for QML/python apps you can modify them with vim/emacs on device as no need to recompile (you can get a full chroot for building/compiling on device too if you have a Qt/C++ app), now go ahead and build and develop android apps on android, we'll wait
>>107546124>Failfish seems way more linux than android to mestill can't run desktop Linux apps and Sailfish apps can't run on Desktop Linux
>>107546540>all cli linux apps work out of the boxI have a desktop to do this. Why would anyone want to use a CLI on a 6 inch touch screen device? No phone with Sailfish does video out so that is what you are stuck with.
>>107546958because desktop apps are useless on phone, someone compiled desktop wireshark and it runs on sfos, but good luck clicking all the tiny options/settings etc, you have to modify them to get a usable mobile phone experience, so silica provides that, you can recompile all SDL2 apps, but you still need to add touch support, or you can just plug in mouse/kb to the phone through USB, that works too I guess, cli is universal and super powerful, you can have all your scripts from desktop running on the phone, you can do one liner tool-calls to get access to phone's sensors (need a tracking app, just call gps from cli every x seconds >> to a file, boom, one liner bash app, nah lets download 20 different shitty ad infested apps from play store for same functionality), if you're not into linux stay with your toy os
>>107546997>nah lets download 20 different shitty ad infested apps from play store for same functionalityThis makes much more sense than running unsigned code on your personal telephone.If you want a portable device that runs a CLI I recommend a laptop.
>>107547040ah yes, the graphenecucks 'muh security', sorry not gonna be signing my bash/python scripts
>>107547053>muh securityI wouldn't care about security in a 200 dollar laptop that is 10x better for your usecase than the device you are using but yeah, you probably do need security on a device with a sim card in it. For most people I recommend they use a computer for computing purposes but go ahead and use sailfoam since it is clear your goal is to feel like an 133t H4x0r
>>107546918What does that have to do with my reply? When was i talking about linux desktop apps on sailfish or sailfish apps on linux desktop? I think you imagined a discussion we had where i mentioned this, but that actually never happened. Meds now
>>10754717499% of apps on sfos are open source so you can review their code, the only 2 mishaps so far were accidental by new developers screwing up with system packages, android malware will mostly just crash the lxc container where android app support is being run, so yeah, good luck with your android malware (android apps can't initiate a call or sms, so muh sim card argument is retarded), still waiting for sfos specific malware to show up, 12 years and the security has been great, now go give up your root rights because some schizo says so
>>107547219>open source so you can review their codeIf you like open source apps I recommend you use a Linux laptop. They have a much wider selection.>still waiting for sfos specific malware to show upTheir dozens of users will be devastated if this ever happens.>now go give up your root rights because some schizo says soI don't root my phone because there is no advantage to doing so.
>>107547334just carry your laptop bro, also be a good goy and use play store, fdroid and open source bad mkay, our schizo says so so it must be true, then again taking advice from attack vector is also probably bad, if you can't be trusted with root why trust your advice?
>>107547413Why are you having an argument with an imaginary Grapheneos user. I never mentioned it or defended any of the points you made against it because it is completely off topic to my point that using a CLI on a telephone is fucking retarded.
>>107547444>mmmuh security, you need google approval to use a bash one liner bro, google tracking is fine broyou sound like a retarded graphenecuck
>>107547444Nta but thats kind of one of the whole selling points of having a linux oriented phone, so you can use cli and freely modify the device. I dont think anyone here is arguing that using cli on desktop/laptop is inferior to cli on a phone. If youre not into it thats fine, stick to your droid or iphone, but clearly some people are interested in it.For me, ill be sticking with my goydroid until theres a proper REAL linux based phone that isnt dogshit, and that has demo videos so i can see what im paying more than half a grand on, instead of being totally scammed. But thats just me
>>107547529Okay, now I understand your frustration. You assumed I was a privacy schizo because I called your phone insecure. I said that because it lacks modem isolation and as such it can be remotely hacked by an SMS message with no way of you seeing or preventing this and the only reason nobody has bothered doing this is that nobody uses your OS. Stock Android and IOS have had modem isolation for like ten years at this point.I am still waiting for you to explain why you need to carry a 6 inch device to access a CLI at all times? What do you do with it that you can't do with an 80 dollar unrooted Android phone. No real person needs to be able run a CLI on their telephone at a moments notice.
>>107547595same things as on my laptop, except I can also access gps, gyro, nfc... I can work on my mobile apps while on the bus to work (two of them have been fully completed on device, one I first wrote the cpp parts (mostly calling cli tools) and then just ended up doing the whole GUI finishing (which tools to call, how to parse output etc) on the way to work and making the whole thing usable with touch only), you can run aircrack suite if you find any WEP network, you can write your own systemd services to either check what WLANs are available around you and then trigger commands for automation, you can tweak any app to your liking (author forgot to include rotation and you want it to work in landscape, one liner in qml, want to remove parts of the list to fit more of the title, you can adjust it in seconds and then just restart the app, QML is great, you can add fully new features to apps right on the phone), it's not a toy, if you expect your phone to be a toy, then you get a toy
>>107546540>a bunch of irrelevant bullshitcool, not interested and nobody other than a couple thousand autists are
>>107547652Every single thing you described is better off done on a laptop.
>>107547702good luck pulling out your laptop on the bus to work to tinker on your pet project, you waste so much time in such situations when you can easily pull out your phone
>>107547702>let me guess, you need less?
>>107547759Qwerty keyboards that are too small to touch type are pointless.
