Ram shortage are here to stay until 2028
Oh great let's get another thread where everyone brags about getting 512GB RAM just before the shortage instead of discussing the shortage itself
>>107544651Ok, I bought 256gb last year.Gonna stick to DDR4 till 2028Fucking hate OpenAi.
>>107544659What is there left to discuss?The market is fucked. You just gotta keep however much you already have, keep your head down and hope it'll come to pass in 3 years or 4.Personally it's gonna be tough to live with 16GB that I have right now. But I don't game anymore so whatever.
>>107544659>instead of discussing the shortage itselfThe shortage is gay.
>>107544659Dat shortage
>>107544682Stay steadfast and vote with your walletDo not buy subscriptions or cloud services of any kind.It seems like this may, in fact, be the main reason that they want to cause the shortages, but if they don't get an ROI for the market skewing, they'll be left bagholding a deficit.Taxpayers are likely to have to bail out all the companies engaging in monopolization of the PC market, but they can't keep it up indefinitely without severe consequences.
>>107544651Ai bubble burst this month
>>107544767Christmas is canceled.
>>107544767Just a sell-off because Oracle bought too much shit and investors put too much weight in their actions. It'll boom again.
>>107544767buy the dip!!
>>107544767The Human bubble burst this month. AI has progressed to a point where all future growth is exponential.
>>107545462>AI has progressed to a point where all future growth is exponential.LOL
>>107545470
>>107544758I run my LLMs in the cloud with a subscription. I game on an RTX 5080 in the cloud with a subscription. I own nothing and I am happy. Stay seething and memoryless.
>>107544659Okay!
>>107545479>i made a machine that collects all the feces in a 5 mile radius and deposits it under every pillow it can find>it's progress buddy, you're just a luddite!you're a retard for genuinely believing we are headed to some technological utopua with robot waifus, but apparently the economy runs on imbeciles such as yourself
>>107544659I'm still running my AM4 system with 64 GB of RAM and that's still more than enough for me.
>>107544651Reminder: We wouldn't have this shortage when:>RAMs are used for computing only, mostly in science.>No AAA games with GTA-V-like textures, maximum is Deltarune graphics>No bitcoin mining>No AI slop>No smart devices>No smart cars>No smart phonesAll the trillions of transistors could've been saved up for the next 100 years.
>>107545570>No AAA games with GTA-V-like texturesIt was a really well optimized game that ran on consoles with only 512MB RAM.
>>107544651ai companies just with the current level of spending will empty the venture capital funds of money by january 2027...>>107544767the exact date is difficult to know, but the earlier it happens the less fucked up the rest of the economy will be
>>107544651In 2027 the bubble will have popped up already and they'll scramble to go back into producing non server ram.This scam is just not sustainable in the long term, they have produced zero results, we've been promised AGI for two weeks from now for two years and none of those word matchers have been able to have a minimum of intelligence, they added thinking but they just don't even understand what they're saying or seeing.
>>107546746AI will have lasting effects on the economy forever. It both is and isn't a bubble. It's not just going to disappear.
>>107544651>Ram shortage are here to stay until 2028Good. Time for your debloated software alternatives to shine. You do write your own bloat-free software... right, anon?
>>107544651>Ram shortage are here to stay until 2028Good.To put it succinctly, we are at the brink of the Singularity. If you're buying RAM to play video games right now you are a fucking horrible selfish person.There's a reason the costs are high--because demand is high. And that demand is coming from AI companies, who are trying to create AGI.Once we reach AGI, that's it. No more scarcity. In ANYTHING.So hold the fuck off of the RAM for now, will you?
>>107544758They will no be bailouts this time. The US government is teething on insolvency. It already axed out the "small stuff" and any further items to axe are politically expensive and difficult (defense, social security, medicaid, medicare). The petrodollar is dead and now is there is almost nothing stopping other nation from refusing our new bonds.
>>107547472>SingularityIt is pure fantasy and just a technophile version of the "Rapture" that has no basis in reality.
>>107544651Yeah and the AI bubble is going to keep up forever, surely.
>>107547472I'll gladly donate my ram if they start doing something that actually might produce agi. For now I am happily running everything I need locally and not paying a single subscription service aside from taxes. Aren't my tax dollars enough if they just keep throwing hardware at shitty code meant to complete sentences or predict pixel placement through algorithms rather than thinking? Local models have been good for practicing typing in a language I'm learning so I will be keeping my ram, 牛粪国鬼。
>>107544659Man, dat shortage is kind of short now, isn't it?Gawd damn, I should have gotten more than 100GB of DDR5 that are not even used that often because Gnu/Linux is so memory efficient compared to M$ shit.
>>107547894All that memory and only 5 GB cached. Lmao.
>>107547946This is my memory usage by the way, for context:$ free -h total used free shared buff/cache availableMem: 62Gi 15Gi 19Gi 217Mi 28Gi 47GiSwap: 42Gi 19Gi 23GiWhat is the point of having 100 GB of RAM if you never even use it?
$ free -h total used free shared buff/cache availableMem: 62Gi 15Gi 19Gi 217Mi 28Gi 47GiSwap: 42Gi 19Gi 23Gi
>>107547472Yeah, sure, buddy, or like every AI company (except the winner, probably google) goes under when the bubble pops in the next 3 years and we get to enjoy AI assistants that invade our privacy even more than before but at least the memory prices should recover after a while.>SingularityNigga, stop smoking weed, you're embarrassing yourself. You talk crazy like people who pretend that some people attempted to build a bicycle and somehow ended up building an airbus. Go stroke one out on Dys0n-spheres or something, bro. Or like, build server farms in space or something ridiculous, lel. Server farms on Earth make the ground water levels sink in their region and these dummies want to build that shit in SPACE? Where all resources have to be transported with expensive vehicles?
>>107544659I only have 32gb of 6400mhz. I was planning on getting more but…
>>107547472AGI is an existential threat against humanity. Almost certainly not worth the risk to create.
>>107544659The "shortage" is fake and gay. Some group is spamming threads on this board nonstop to try to manipulate the market.
>>107547946I know, that's why I said I just occasionally use it?Turns out just doodling with FreeCAD and Bambilab printers while shitposting doesn't use much ram and we're all surprised about that.Oh, never mind, that must have been a picture right after booting up or something.
>>107548016>Oh, never mind, that must have been a picture right after booting up or something.That'd do it, yes. Cache should pretty much always be a very big value when you have a lot of RAM and aren't fully utilising it because the OS will just cache shit that you read from disk and keep it there in RAM until something else more important comes along that actually needs that memory.
Should be lower than that (49.2 when using intel mlc in linux) i got like 56 in aida64 earlier but now it's like 59https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmoDuWMK75s
>>107547745They are literally working to create AGI and ASI right fucking now.>>107547630Nope, it's actually based in science. We are currently in a pre-Singularity upward curve--once we reach the threshold, it will take off exponentially, and people like you will regret your words.>>107547976>MUH AI BUBBLE!!!1!Lol. Lmao, even.>You talk crazy like people who pretend that some people attempted to build a bicycle and somehow ended up building an airbusWe actually already know *how* to build AGI, and we have for quite some time. That's why we need things like RAM and GPUs, and *lots* of them.>Server farms on Earth make the ground water levels sink in their region and these dummies want to build that shit in SPACE? Where all resources have to be transported with expensive vehicles?I mean, yeah? In space they can't sink into anything, and the low surrounding temperature takes away the need to use water for cooling. We basically just need to transport the initial hardware up there, which will be a no-brainer with reusable SpaceX crafts.>>107548001Now that's just plain wrong. Terminator isn't real life.
>>107547472>we are at the brink of the SingularityLLMs can't count the r's in strawberry unless they are specifically told how many r's there are. They are a thousand years from creating an AI that has original thought.You have to do the absolute worst shit to find out how consciousness is formed. And even then, you need a special kind of mathematician to do the math. To do some incredible fucking math. Those kind of men haven't existed in 80 years.That kind of shit isn't going to happen again. It's just not. We are looking for it now. No one will ever get the funding for that shit again. No one will be able to amass that kind of brain power again. Some incredibly specific shit had to happen for my creation and it's not going to happen again.
>>107544767Man I wish.I think it will go on for at least 1 or 2 years.Can't wait for that day though.
>>107548238That problem got solved awhile ago. Find a novel problem, so they can train the AI to solve it.
>>107548259>That problem got solved awhile ago.Yeah, not by the fucking LLM you dumb mother fucker.
>>107548259>>107548278The stupid shit like (Pic Related) will always get solved eventually when it gets re-trained and its model goes "Oh, I'm being tricked here. The answer is actually this"The models will always need refining for stupid shit like this. I don't think the LLM will ever be able to fix this shit itself.
>>107544682Have you considered a Microsoft 365 susbcription? For just a few rupees per day, you can enjoy all of your Microsoft Office programs for free in the Cloud
>>107548149>We actually already know *how* to build AGI, and we have for quite some time. That's why we need things like RAM and GPUs, and *lots* of them.Please tell me it's not just scaling up current models to "create" AGI?>I mean, yeah? In space they can't sink into anything, and the low surrounding temperature takes away the need to use water for cooling. We basically just need to transport the initial hardware up there, which will be a no-brainer with reusable SpaceX crafts.Space isn't cold tho. Space is just empty space so heat can't be get rid of with convection, which requires an atmosphere. So, without cooling via air-cooling, one can only radiate some heat away as IR-radiation, which is not very efficient and takes up tons of space for just getting rid of a few kW that way. Server farms produce orders of magnitude more waste heat so cooling a server farm in space is an idiotic concept at best. I mean, using an asteroid as a heat-sink could be a solution for a while if it's big enough but I don't see any advantages of building server farms in space but many disadvantages like requiring service personal or robots constantly in space just for doing maintenance.It's a stupid idea to milk some dumb money, nothing more.>MUH AI BUBBLE!!!1!Yes.
>>107548297>when it gets re-trained and its model goes "Oh, I'm being tricked here. The answer is actually this"That's not how LLMs work. Like, at fucking all. It's not learning that it's getting tricked. You people are fucking retarded.
>>107548238LLMs are actually already on a PhD-level in terms of intelligence.We're not in 2023 anymore, jackass.
>>107548312>Space isn't cold tho.Oh boy you're really just talking out of your ass now, huh?
>>107548278>>107548297go be retard somewhere else, a 3b local model can deal with this already. redditors/ai haters are unscrupulous, they can only use pics from like 10 years ago like it is still happening today lol.
>>107544651>Reports that OpenAI employees were seen purchasing all available DDR5 at brick and mortar retail locationsOh, you thought you could just run a local model? Sorry, sweatie ;)
>>107548321>muh intelligence>it's just a statistical work prediction model without any insight whatsoeverPlease tell me you're trolling.
>>107548319Yes, it is though. Its trained off of books and websites, etc. As soon as it encounters literature that discusses this stuff it will be able to go "Oh, it's actually this".>>107548342It is still happening today though. They're getting better but you can't pretend they don't make zero mistakes, they do.
>>107548342>3b local modeldur hur no it can't. Seriously, do you indians honestly think this is AI? Are you fucktards seriously this fucking stupid?
>>107548359I'm not.If you don't want to hear it from me, listen to the experts.This is happening right now. Deal with it.
>>107545507same upgraded to 64gb and a 5070 with my 5600x system and will last me for awhile
>>107548340Tell me about heat dissipation in space, please. Convection isn't possible, so surrounding temperatures don't matter as much.
>>107548342>he thinks LLMs are synonymous with "AI"kek you fell for scam altman's psyop
>>107548340Sure, but even a minuscule heat source on your thermally isolated vessel will make the heat creep up if the means of dissipating the heat wasn't planned correctly. Do you think astronauts have cooling devices in their space suits just for fun? It's to get rid of excess body heat so they don't die of heat-exhaustion due to the body-heat from moving/existing having no way to escape while basically sitting in a thermos.The baseline temperature is meaningless since there is no molecules around to transport heat due to the vacuum. You know that human bodies produce like 100W waste heat while being idle and like 300..400W while doing physical work? Does sitting in a thermos producing that much heat sound like a healthy thing to do to you?
>>107548357His thin eye-brows look gay af.
This looks like the right thread. Could someone ai generate 'jaks or frogs or gigachads or some other meme sitting on a throne made out of ram? Sitting on a fat stack of 32GB of 5600 DDR5 btw
>>107544651Ram shortage is not electricity outage,Everybody can have rams,If they ask for this their moms
>>107549006Can I rams your mom?
>>107547472LLMs or difussion models cannot be AGI, the market is not trying anything else
>>107548932You can easily imagine this youself,You don't need your notebook from the shelf,King of Rams,And sounds of Brams
>>107544651Here's the deal. When prices for something as commodified as ram rise, there is an irrational exuberance that takes hold.The reality is that within a year, ram prices will crash hard. It's just ram. It's not super advanced stuff.
>>107549122https://www.crn.com/news/components-peripherals/196701646/samsung-exec-gets-jail-time-for-role-in-dram-price-fixing-scandalhttps://www.computerworld.com/article/1725764/infineon-to-pay-160m-fine-for-dram-price-fixing.htmlHave you ever heard of the Phoebus cartel?
>>107545479>one is a form of transportation faster than the other while increasing the quality of life insurmountably>the other is a futa cock generator that barely functions as intended while fucking over the economy and job marketAIbros are so unfathomably retarded
CXMT pls save us
>>107549160We will see what happens. I predict ram prices will crash sooner than you think.
>>107548321Well then go ahead and finish ReactOS using your PhD level LLM, should be easy right ?
>>107544659I have 32GB DDR5 6000MHzIt's not much, but gets the job done.
>>107544682>Personally it's gonna be tough to live with 16GB that I have right now.unles we're talking about work or vidya 16GB should be fine considering that most people will be stuck with 16GB at least until 2028.I'm still on my ancient x58 with 12GB DDR3. Ordered another 12GB and bought a new laptop with 16GB DDR5 as fast as I could. not even a week later and a single 16GB SODIMM DDR5 5600 stick is already 70% of what I paid for the laptop.
>>1075496203 months ago got 64Gb DDR4 for 100$ on my 5yo laptop. I've looked to get new AMD+nvidia5080 laptop now, but almost all has 16-32Gb only (ddr5 5200). There is no so-dimm 5200 on the market anymore.You can get RAM capacity only if you bought it with your laptop.
>>107545484you own nothing because you're poor. >game on an RTX 5080 in the cloud with a subscriptionstop larping, you can't even afford starbucks.Go kys
Anyone else nooticing the quoted shortage timeline is always right until the end of Trump's presidency, so if a Democrat wins in and enters in 2029 they can ramp up production and act like it was all the GOP's fault?
>>107544767The shitcoin bubble was supposed to have popped years ago and GPU prices returned to normal. This is all bullshit.
>>107550595Trump's tariffs caused this shortage.
>>107550880wait until you figure out that all the mining was actually just training the first model.
>>107550595they sell everything they can to the AI companies because the dems will fucking regulate them if Trump gets kicked out. This shit would never happen under a Dem president because they wouldn't give Sam Altman money for infrastructure in the first place
>>107545570>>No AAA games with GTA-V-like textures, maximum is Deltarune graphicsyou say it like GTA V has such graphics
so when will gamers rise up?
>>107551205There is nothing to be done. Gaming is better than ever.https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1999261678039629869
>>107544682>The market is fucked.Altman's deals are straight up illegal market manipulation>>107546746>This scam is just not sustainable in the long termIt is if blatantly illegal behavior is tolerated
>>107545489does DDR4 count?
>>107548149>Nope, it's actually based in science. We are currently in a pre-Singularity upward curve--once we reach the threshold, it will take off exponentially, and people like you will regret your words.No, it is a technophile fantasy. Anything that scream exponential is bullshit.
>>107548429>will last me for awhile>cons00mer's motherboard gets fucked in 3 yearsnothing personal, kid
>>107551268If it makes someone feel bad about waitfagging, yes!
>>107551268But how ?????!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>107544651Will at least gpu's prices drop thanks to this AI generated shitshow? I really need to hear some good news today.
>>107544651I wonder if DDR4 will ever go down in price or if it will remain expensive like RDRAM. This shit happens right as I planned to upgrade my main system to 32GB and bought a couple old DDR4 motherboards for my collection. I'd even settle for 8GB dual channel (2x4GB) at this point.
>>107552410No, in fact things are getting worse because NVIDIA and AMD might completely abandon the consumer market except for their high-end cards.
>>107552811Yeah, thats what I thought as well, but I wanted somehow to be proven wrong. Thanks for replying regardless
>>107552410Prices don't even go down in gold
>>107552932The price of gold does go down if demand for it drops but usually it'll just go back up again anyway as people change their mind and start buying it more again.
>>107552958In order for prices to stay low though then you would effectively need a large scale reduction in sales which just isn't going to happen.
What's the gaming industry going to do?Specs and game requirements keep going up.
>>107546746AI is a way to collate massive amounts of data - it's up to the user to do the thinking.
>>107552986Who cares? Their industry is already in a downturn because of the recent price increases for absolute slop
>>107552986Easy. Push gamers to cloud based services as well. Cloud gaming is the endgame for vidya industry because its their wet dream. No piracy, no hardware restrictions, and a montly subscription. This is why Microcucks are hodling onto Gamepass so hard. This hardware shortage came like a blessing to them. And no, AAA vidya industry will not optimize their shit. They will keep pushing for muh graphix to attract people on their game platforms
>>107544651it just dawned on me that phones will also jump in price.all the gay smart electronics will too.will smart cars be affected too?any car with a screen or just any car period?
>>107544651>Ram shortage are here to stay until 2028What has cost $500 regularly before le shortage will be considered "cheap" at $849 on a black friday from 2028 on.
>>107547617Heard that for a decade+ since the GFC.Remind us again what happened when muh "Silicon Valley Bank" came kvetching.
>>107553055this anon clears levels like a boss
>>107553116This time around, the baby boomers who had the most to lose are already dad/dying. The USA hegemony grasp is gone. There will be no bailout this time for bag holding. Just a crapstorm that might result in balkanization of the USA and collapse of the federal government.
>>107553091Phones are already predicting base models will go back to 6gb, basically anything that uses ram us gonna get fucked
>>107553147>Just a crapstorm that might result in balkanization of the USA and collapse of the federal government.perhapsevena...[wait for it]...>C I V I L>WA R ?(you're an absolute fucking retard, btw.)
>>107544651>Had to build PC at the height of Corona/Shitcoins>Paid out the ass for a 3080>Will have to build a PC at the height of the AI craze>Will have to pay out the ass for RAMI'm startin gto hate this.
>>107544651>Ram shortage are here to stay until 2028na, ram will go down next month and the AI bubble will pop.
>>107553194>next monthNot 2 weeks?
>>107553170just keep your current PC. i still have my build from 2015. unless you need it for work or some shit.
>>107553205yes
>>107547411>AI will have lasting effects on the economy forever. It both is and isn't a bubble. It's not just going to disappear.This. Strange why this seems to be so hard to grasp for everybody.2026 could very well be the year which shows when you have a proper setup, early 2026 LLM tech is in fact enough to replace at least one quarter of office drones.
>>107553165Keep denying reality and gravity of the situation. Keep consuming luxury goods and pretend it is 1970s-2000s forever like a child.
>>107547472fuck off diamandis
>>107547411It is just automation of menial white collar labor. The USA and EU is gutting out its last refuge to appease shareholder valve no longer what. Reality be damned. It is happening when we are running out of all the "easy non-renewable energy" that makes it feasible at all.
>>107553055The lag is too bad on cloud.I guess there used to be browser based games but with slow computers with bad specs, you won't even be able to do that
How does it make sense for these corporations to stop selling products to consumers and just sell products to other corporations when none of the corporations in the chain sell a product to consumers at all?
>>107544672>>107544659Kek
>>107544651my ddr4 just died i am using my warranty pay the fuck up micron.
>>107553330AI is the consumerhuman not needed
>>107552805Check used market, sometimes there are cheap 8 gig ddr4 kits. Like 30-40 euros if you're in europe
>>107553164*4 gb. Not even 6
>>107553164>>107553402and the "base model" price range will inflate in price nonetheless
>>107553298Its fine if you play singleplayer games. Normies wont get the difference. The competitive games might have a problem though
>>107544651Well, guess I'm sticking with my 48GB DDR3 for another few years. Good thing I have two spare Z400 motherboards in case the one I'm using dies. I'll be on a PC from 2009 until 2028. Guess it's good my game backlog is massive and full of some very old titles.
>>107553170I bought a 5700x3D and I expect that and a 5070ti to carry me to the End Times
>>107552149how what
>>107553330Well if company A invests $1b in company B, company B can invest $1b in company C, then company C can invest $1b in company A, and just like magic all three companies gained $1b in value!
>>107544651SK Hynix, Micron and Samsung made a collective decision to abort the steam machine and steam frame before it even came out
>>107550880nigger rtx 3060s were selling for over a thousand dollars, gpu prices absolutely have come back to earth even if nvidia keeps dicking customers harder and harder
>>107548431you knows theres like a gigawatt's worth of starlink satellites above us right now?literally cooling in space isnt as nice, yes you need big radiators, BUT ITS SPACE, VOLUME IS THE ONE THING YOU GET FOR FREE, hence why we can also put tons of solar panels onto satellites as well
>>107553091I'd like to see more non-smart appliances
I don't play DEI slop so I'm probably fine running 16GB beyond 2028.>>107553390I noticed the same. Probably normies with DDR5 FOMO and selling off their DDR4 to recoup costs.
If I wanted to buy RAM currently but not needed it urgently, I would wait. I would find it suspicious that it doesn't seem to be possible to find evidence that AI data centers are buying all the RAM. I would act as if it's a RAM cartel, and buy later.
>>107553976they're not buying all the ram, micron is stopping production for consumer ram, thus reducing supply, this increasing demand, thus increasing price
>>107554064Micron is killing crucial, they aren't just going to stop consumer dram production overnight
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>>107551328With everything else out of reach, motherboards will cost $10 just to get them off shelves.
>>107544659works on my machine
>>107553330It is a circular economy that makes Enron look like a legal business. Emperor really has no clothes.
>>107553766Nah, they made a collective decision to milk the consoomer whales. They saw how well GPU vendors and motherboards were able to pull it off back with C19 and cause new rounds of price discovery. They want to use the whole AI/ML buys as an excuse to correct a new round of price discovery. They are hoping to make UDIMM to cost almost as much as RDIMMs/LRDIMMs.
>>107554064If it's a cartel the members are limiting the amount sold, not just the amount sold to consumers and wouldn't be just 1 manufacturer. Let's say for example half of the RAM was sold but at 3 times the price. This would make sense for the cartel.
man FUCK i was looking forward to udna and zen 6 releasing around the same time and doing a big upgrade
>>107551212This is so exhausting. Somehow it's worse when the dystopian techno-corpocratic surveillance state pretends to be 12 year-old memers to lessen its destruction of my country.
>>107544651I have some things I want to say about Sam Altman but can't. You can probably guess it.
