We didn't know how good we had it with SATA SSDs. M.2/NVME is cheap shit that scales poorly and is inconvenient to access.
>>107550426SATA SSDs still exist but they're become expensive. Blame the Biden economy.
>>107550426chinks will fill the market gap with random NAND flash chips they harvest from landfills and put into SATA SSDs.
>>107550469SATA SSDs were always better value and cheaper until they conspired to phase out SATA on mainboards aroun 2019.
>>107550481Sounds like a circular economy that’s great for the environment. The EU should subsidize this.
>>107550426I still use sata. I don't want to buy more because it's the same price as NVME but I might.
How many times will you repost this? You lost
>>107550426never heard or need for pads due to heat on these
>>107550700This is my first time posting this. >you lostLost what?
>>107550426Fuck you samshit. I'm out of M.2 slots so I need sata drives. But right now there are only like 8 sata drives for sale brand new and they are all overpriced.I guess I'll just have to buy some YMTC nand Chinese sata SSD from aliexpress in couple years.
>>107551814just buy an adapter or build an actual NAS.
>>107551863There are no adapters to put NVME drives to sata. And I already bought 3 m.2 to pcie adapters for my current pc. I'm out of pcie slots right now.
>>107551878https://www.amazon.de/s?k=sata+to+nvme
>>107551927Those are for M.2 sata drives to 2.5" sata. Not for NVME drives.
>>107550700>You lostwe all lost
>>107550426M.2 is great for laptops and super small systems, NVMe is just a protocol.>scales poorly and is inconvenient to accessThere's already a standard that uses the NVMe protocol and a 2.5" form factor called U.2 but unfortunately it's almost exclusively in the enterprise space. U.2 also supports connecting SATA and SAS drives.
>>107550426if you filled all 8 sata ports on your motherboard for one raid 0 drive, it still would be slower than pcie gen 4
You got what you wanted when you spent years shilling SSDs. Then you'd set the stage for dismissing concerns over PCIE lane use by letting developer faggots chime in.Where did you think this was going?
>>107550426u.2/u.3fool
>2TB SATA SSD with DRAM>costs 180€More than SSDs with NVMe, FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>107553862>2TB SATA SSDUsecase?
>>107550426what the fuck does 'scales poorly' meanI have a fifteen petabyte lustre running on nvmeyou're seriously advocating a RETVRN to 6gbps shit instead of storage that runs at maximum NAND speed on a direct pcie busget a job maybe before saying dumb shit
>>107553878Internal storage for my pirated games, also maybe installing a few stuff on it.Also it's easier to access than SSD NVMe.
>>107553913>storage We have HDDs for that
>>107550426M.2. is lowest common denominator shit that's adopted because of laptops We shoulda gotten U.2. for desktops to replace sata instead
>>107553913you don't even need to unscrew the lid to get to these things you just buy shit hardware and then get mad at the components?
>>107553924this shit is like ten years old and works finewhy are you blaming hardware protocols for your cheap-ass garbage computer? better things exist
>>107553924*looms*
>>107550426>>107550616NVMe SSDs matched SATA ones in price years ago though.
>>107550426I still primarily use hddlet me guessyou need more?
>>107551010Because they are slower and the case acts as a heatsink.
>>107553944The protocol is nvme for both retard
>>107551010The pads are internal, connecting the chips to the metal case. Unless it's a really cheap and slow ones, same with NVMe.
>>107551814PCIe to M.2 cards are a thing.
>>107550426Fucking poorfags.
>>107553983I already have one. It's just massively inconvenient to not have native u.2. ports on 99% of consumer boards
>>107553915imagine not having a SSD only machine in 2025+1
>>107553934>notebook faggotLmao
>>107553993Enjoy your limited TBW
>>107553992It's literally just PCIe, fully passive, I bet you have plenty of M.2 and PCIe slots.
>>107553998Enjoy your limited MTBF
>>107553993I don't even need more for local storage.
>>107554019single 4tb for tranny vids. good move. need to level up like that
>>107550426Faster than SATA SSD.
>>107554072They are actually in RAID0 and it's literally just 90% pirated games.
>>107554080You can't trim over USB, right? That's the real limiting issue for using SSDs over USB as primary storage.You might be about to trim over Thunderbolt? But those drives are going to be more expensive, and at that point you might as well do what >>107554001 suggests and do U.2 breakouts to various U.2 drives.My desktop currently has six M.2 SSDs in it, and I wish there was a lower cost platform for medium core counts and more than 24 PCIe lanes to the CPU. Something closer to the first gen or second gen threadripper, where you could get 16 cores if that's all you need, but still get 64 PCIe lanes.
I would never trust Non-Volatile Memory to store my data. No matter how fast it can operate. Speed is not something you trade for data integrity.
>>107554125
>>107554122>You can't trim over USB, right?You can. Was only a issue with cheap USB bridge chips turning SATA period. Also you don't actually need to TRIM, TRIM is for performance, it won't change the longevity of the drive, the controller manages all that.
>>107550426>>107553965SLC+MLC ==/== TLC+QLCI hate people who want cheap because they're globalists or will buy another piece of shit in 2 years rather than buying something good and having it last 5-10.Fuck you people.
>>107554149>onlyI guess it's still an issue but you most modern bridges pass TRIM commands fine.
>>107554162See >>107553965>NVMe SSDs matched SATA ones in price years ago though.Even with the same memory cell architecture. You faggots forgot how expensive SLC SSDs were and you can still get MLC NVMe SSDs even on the consumer market.
>>107554009>laughs in zero spin power save
>>107554180>MLC NVMe SSDs even on the consumer marketnot after the panic buying, its all used, which is a crapshootI have experience>you forgot SLC was pricedyou dipshit READ I just said I don't mind paying through the nose for something to last 5-10 rather than idiots who pay a third and buy another piss poor product in 2 years, creating this feedback looplike QLC
>>107554125Depends how they are used.
>>107553905This sort of person should have been dragged through the streets by their heels until the skin on their face existed no longer.You are the reason this world is shit. You did this.
>>107554203I have TLC drives from 2015 that still work fine tho
>>107554203Buy MLC not QLC then. You literally contradict yourself, you can totally still buy even after the panic buying, it just costs an even bigger premium.
>>107554230Cry more.
>>107554230Kek, oh no you can't buy 90TB SATA SSD for 8000 bucks instead of 90TB NVMe SSD for 9000 bucks! The horror!
>>107554256It always boils down to poorfaggotry but in this case I actually agree.
>>107554236But its... a crapshoot. READ!>>107554234and my image is a 160GB from 2015 that is only degraded by 8%imagine a 2TB MLC - oh right, it will last 15 years or more depending on someone's use, which is like a 100mpg car, someone won't make money if you don't buy shit
>>107554203>>107554266What do you mean crapshoot? Used? No, I literally mean you can buy NEW.
With J***s you lose.Samuel Altman need that ram to do away with remaining jobs held by Whites.
>>107554266>someone won't make money if you don't buy shitAnd there's a market where people / corporations simply won't buy if they can't get the good product, so obviously there's people who make money off those people too...You're surprised that the average consumer market state is cheapest for the most money.
>>107554266The tech is there and you can buy it, it just costs premium, what are you even complaining about? Nobody forces you to buy MLC.
>>107550426>We didn't know how good we had it with SATA SSDs. M.2/NVME is cheap shit that scales poorly and is inconvenient to accessYou got that completely backwards. SATA M.2 media is more expensive and has terrible scaling. Which is why NVMe is even a thing.
>>107554295SSDs were barely consumer level for most of the time they used SLC.
>>107554271Find me a place to buy an 860 Pro new. If you say Amazon, then you love being scammed.
>>107554132if you knew the composition of a diodes PN junction you would agree. NVME uses transistors to make up the NAND architecture. Transistors are simply arranged diodes. the PN junction of each diode has a saturation point. when this point is reached your data becomes crap. Stick with a storage medium that lasts for decades instead of months to a few years.
>>107554330Why did you say " I don't mind paying through the nose" then?
>>107554330Also 860 Pro isn't NVMe... You're the one who needs to read better I think.
>>107554349Nope, follow the chain dipshit.
>>107554365lmao satalet
>>107554365Why would you go with SATA though?
>>107554122> You can't trim over USB, right?You can! depending on the storage. USB-Sticks/Flash drives can't, external NVMe/SSD/HDD can.Picrel is an external NVMe SSD in a USB4 enclosure connected to a USB4 port of my motherboard.
