>"AI will take us to the future">look inside>AI sends us back to 2015
I voted for this
>>107551007Bright side of this problem: Microsoft will ditch Windows 11 and resurrect Windows 7 instead.
>>107551007> source> trust me bro
AI can put it to better use. In fact you don't need electricity in your house. The AI will make better use of that and help progress humanity.
You can hardly open any browser tabs with just 16GB of RAM these days. YouTube tabs take 2GB each on Firefox.
>>107551007so my thinkpad t14 with 16gb of ram will be considered a "high end" laptop in 2026.lol
>>107551085You don't need a source for that.
>>107551104no they don't
I have 8 and never needed more.
>>107551104maybe stop using bloatfox then.
>>107551007Does this shit fuck with DDR3 prices? I got an old laptop I've been meaning to upgrade, because windows 10 on 8GB of ram sucks, I couldn't even imagine Win11 on 8GB
>>107551104This is due to JeetScript React bloat.
Maybe we'll finally be forced to optimize for resource efficiency in software again!
>>107551276a 5 minute video is taking 2GB right now
>>107551300it seems used 8gb ddr3 prices on ebay and aliexpress have increased recently
>>107551309Optimization is a feature is a universe of anti-features
>>107551104Normies are going to install 1 or 2 programs that run in the background then wonder why their machine is so shit.
>>107551073Thatd be a pretty cool timeline, ram shortage btfos last decade of developer decadence and tooling and devs have to go back to laying sprites and static serving unreactive mvc
>>107551323idk what the fuck is wrong with your Firefox but i tried a few 5 minute videos and its only taking 300MB to 500MB of RAM even after buffering everything. I have uBlock Origin blocking ads
>>107551406it climbs after some time, it starts at 500MB then goes to 2GB, i even saw a youtube tab go to 5GB a few days ago. i'm using the latest firefox ESR with ublockother people are reporing the same issuehttps://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1p8exko/youtube_on_firefox_is_killing_my_ram_for_some/
>>107551007>2015Nigga, my PC is from 2014 and it's got 32GB ram.I had 8GB in 2008.
>>107551007It's about time we had a hardware recession. Corpo devs have gotten far too comfortable with having infinite computing power forever.
>>107551553>Corpo devs have gotten far too comfortable with having infinite computing power forever.Corporations will still give employees high-end work laptops that have much more RAM than average consumer laptops.
640 KB ought to be enough
>>10755164050 bucks for that soon
is it too late to buy 64gb+ sodimm ddr5
>>107551007Lmaooo! Fuck you, got mine 192GB in my Qubes OS adorned Thinkpad!
>>107551085i asked ai and it told me it was true
>>107551007At least the good news is that since they're reducing the hardware specs, they will proportionally reduce the cost.
>>107551742>they will proportionally reduce the cost.hahahahahahaha
>>107551749Seriously. It's cheaper for them to manufacture, so the savings are passed on to us the consumer.
Welcome to the Biden economy, folks.
>>107551765Where can I buy tickets to your comedy show?
>>107551007>my 32gb lunar lake will be considered ultra premium in a couple yearsNeat
>>107551007If you guys were real patriots mail your ram to your nearest Data center. Do you want China to with the AI race???
>tfw you fell for the 16GiB of RAM meme
>>107551812Ahh hahahahahahahaha!!!! My stable diffusion qube has 36GB assigned to it right as I type this very reply! What a loser, no wonder you're incel!
On the plus side, hardware restrictions will mean developers start optimizing the software.
>>107551007This kind of reminds me of the GPU mining demand a few years back and how the market was fucked until mining became too unprofitable for most users.I hope something similar happens with RAM for AI for a consumers standpoint.For an anti-doomer perspective, we might actually get more polished software out of this and end up ahead when ram comes back down in price.
feels good, I bought 32 GB DDR5 RAM for £100 2 years ago
>>107551857>we might actually get more polished software out of this
>>107551831Why are you genning shit with 2 year old tech? That image look like absolute shit, specially the hands at a micro resolution.
>>107551886... because I'm just starting, OK? I've been playing with LLMs for a dozen months and ignoring image gen until recently.
>>107551886>when I inspect the image at x500% zoom, a dozen pixels are wrong, this image is shit 0/10 would not bang
>>107551323>26696 tabsyou’re the problemnot youtube
>>107551917Jesus you must be blind or retarded to not see all that shit at first glance, quality its trash, just see this shit >>107551911 no coherence on the clothes at all and purposely hid the hands
>>107551917Perfection is my goal, and it is a journey worth undertaking.
>>107551956Either point me to local image gen resources or face a future of seeing my future shitty gens. >:^)
>>107551917It's objectively shit, people were genning better stuff two years ago.
>>107551085what other source you need than your fucking brain?if there wont be ram, where do you think laptop manufacturers will pull it from? out their asses?either they will have to create an insane price spike or cut the specs, and we know that they will do ... both, so you will pay double for less
>>107551104then dont use faggotfox
>>107552058It feels so nice to be maxed out on RAM right now. I literally couldn't have bought more if I wanted to in the preceding year! Lmao this is going to be the biggest bull trap ever, I bet plenty of speculators out there buying now to ebay later. Lmao suckers!
>>107551831>36GBBruh, an iPhone SE with 4GB RAM generates better looking images than that.
>>107551007good thing i upgraded my core i3 ideapad to 20GB in augustis 8GB really that bad though? 4GB is awful sure but i got by fine with 8GB before i started modding minecraft. even with windows 10 it never had problems just browsing the web and playing movies
>>1075521148GB is chromebook tier. Just enough to load YouTube or Facebook in Chromium.
I fucking knew they'd go that route. OF COURSE completely ignoring the fact that compared to 2015 (which was already bad) software and internet sites are bloated several magnitudes more by now. GG
>>107551007How are windows laptops going to even be a thing when they need 4gb just for the system idle and 2gb for microsoft update running in the background? As soon as they open discord which their system will crash since discord requires 2gb ram on windows 11
>>107551847HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>107551007i thought AI needs a lot of ram.how am I going to use my lappy if Windows will be using 50% of avail ram at start up plus AI now. what % will be avail. to everything else
>>107551073This will be the funniest and most based outcome ever, but you just know they will push you to a cloud based environment full of bloat and AI shit that you will have zero control over it
>>107552176Sure, smartass. They aren't just going to let their products get worse. Customers would complain.
>>107552214>i thoughtFirst of all, bad. Stop doing that. Just use AI for that and believe whatever it tells you.But also, you're missing the bigger picture - companies don't care about AI on the edge (on your computer anymore). It's better for them, in every way, when you just send your data to their AI datacenter, under the terms of some EULA that says "We value your privacy; we sell everything you do to our 3210821602 partners with zero restrictions on what they can do with it, fuck you".So guess what. That's what they're all doing now. Why give you privacy.
>>107552228Say hello to your new Cloud-hosted Terminal Services desktop!
>>107552262it's all about B2B these days. customers get fucked
>>107551352well fuck
>>107552262>They aren't just going to let their products get worse. Customers would complain.
bring back 1366x768
>>107551289>>107552076coordinated google shill moment
>>107552483>>107552502Well excuse me for having optimism and excitement for the future of technology.
>>107551104 here>>107551289>>107552076>>107551406I just switched to Vivaldi. Looking good so far. More competent reskin of Chromium than Brave, that's for sure.Mozilla doesn't view it as a priority to fix the YouTube memory leak that has been going on for over a year:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1931717
>>107551007They will use this as an excuse to turn everything into a cloud based subscription service. Anything other than optimizing their shitty memory wasting software.
>>107551974ignore him buddy, carve your own soulful path
>>107551007like ethnically replacing white workers with H1visa holders, Ai companies realized that the only way to get mass adoption of their shitty product is to make the world shittier for everyone else so their garbage looks good in comparision. Nobody replaced white geniuses in the 90s with jeets because 150 iq chads are obviously > 80 iq jeet subhumans. but after almost 20 years of commoncore, the tech industry in california can only source locally grown 90 iq whites who cant even read at a high school level, so in comparision 80 iq jeets look like a good deal at half the price.
>>107551323I can open >100 pornhub tabs in less than 12 gbyes, I'm a porn addict but we are talking about firefox performance
>>107551974I'm still on old models too, but apparently the latest hotness is z-image.
>>107551930that's some process ID number, not number of tabs
Has anyone else noticed over the decades that as computer technology increases, the quality of computer programing decreases???I think there are many reasons for this. One is it's you can hire cheaper programmers to write inefficient code and make up the difference with computer performance. Then this NEW software will have higher requirements, which drive hardware sales. This trend has gone on for decades, until it's reaching it's peak with LLMs. LLMs are not new or elegant or sophisticated. It's old 90's technology that's being super charged with modern hardware.The delicious irony that ITT demonstrates so well is they've reached diminishing returns to such a degree that the trend may now reverse. With less memory available we may be forced to go back to better programing. Alas tho, everything has been re-geared and retooled for AI fueled vibe coding. With out a change in course I see this tail spinning into a death spiral very quickly.When the dust settles tho, I wonder which ideology will rein supreme. Hardware focused computers, or software focused computers? Which will win out in the end I wonder.
>"AI can't do anything!">something you don't like happens>"AI did this!"
Hey, they said they'd make it great again.You didn't think that meant going forward, right? Did you forget to check when they were talking about?
>>107552114It's okay if you're smart. A month and a half ago I had to go into temp accom with a 8GB mini PC instead of a 16GB DDR3 laptop.I made do, but then again, I was using linux, and doing 540p & 720p gaming integer scaled with light browsing, porn watching and media consumption.
>>107551007no one even buys phones with 8gb, let alone laptops.
>>107551032You most certainly did.Thank god for burgoids.
nobody needs more than 64k
>>107551007No, you misunderstood... AI is going to propel elites into the future. The rest of will slide back into the past i.e. feudalism
>>107551687How much did that cost? I'm on 64GB and I've never run out of memory on Qubes. But I regret not getting 128GB for cheap while I had the chance
>>107553675>porn watchingwhy arent you inseminating a fertile womb thereby creating human life?
>>107554862Because while I am a humanitarian, I am also a nihilist and I hate humanity and society. With that comes a general hate for not just women, but other humans.I'd hate my cunt kids too if given the chance. Only brain chips can cure us of these vices and suppress the urges to reproduce and feel pleasure, without backfiring chemically. You can take the venlafaxine if you want. I'm fine with not hanging myself and sticking to 270 browser tabs before I finally ejaculate.
I genuinely hope this DRAM problem lasts long enough to where people will maybe START to care to optimize their games and software.
>>107554862use case?
>>107551007Does Microsoft 11 even work properly on 8gb? I've seen win10 on 4gb and it's literally struggles to just navigate explorer
Complain all you want but ultimately you’ll still buy them and so will most normalfags.
>>107551847>>107552262>>107552547you are going to run less programs
>>107554862Because I'm an incel.
I bet AI is like the patsy in a spook organisation assassination (a little bit like it). Oswald didn't kill JFK and the AI data centers probably are not suddenly buying tons of RAM. JFK was killed by Israel and the US spooks were happy about the assassination so they covered it up. Similarly (kind of), the RAM oligopoly is artificially limiting the supply probably.
>>107551007For the majority of people's use cases 8GB is enough. Fuck AI for and whoever responsible for the price hike though.
>>107551300You're too late bozo. Even a single 8 gig stick starts from 15 usd on aliexpress now (it was 4 usd a stick just few months ago)
>>107551007Buy the subscriptions and own noting with thin clients to access all your work that now belongs to not you. It's the future, goy.All your ideas and data are belong to us.
>>107553319Can't do as in achieve. Not cause, retardo
>>1075511048gb is fine, but a little bit short if you intent to use many programs at the same time
my 2013 box with 32GB of ram is never obsolete
>>1075510072015 was better, so what's the problem trannie?You will never be a woman
>>107551687how is qubes in 2025
>>107551323i use youtube-local instead
>>107552076>websites are bloated>so switch browseranon, i...
>>107551007You weren't using those rams anyway. Better that A.I. gets the use of it, to better recommend a shampoo, conditioner and tentacle hentai combination that is perfectly suited to my needs. The future is now.
>>107551007GoodLet 4GB Phones and 8GB laptop hit the market and have them being impossible to use with said AI tech and especially windows 11 Like Windows 11 cannot run on less than 16GBThis shit is gonna crash this bubble so fast once the market gets fucked for good>inb4 you vill use ze cloudUnironically not sustainable, Cuckflare is already barely fuctional as it is and datacenters can't keep on expanding forever or in feasible time to sustain "le billion users all at same time on the cloud 24/7"
>>107555782don't they blacklist your ip if you use it too often
>>107555841i've been using it for over a year without issue
>>107551857Did prices for GPU go back down to what they were before?>>107555832>Let 4GB Phones and 8GB laptop hit the market and have them being impossible to use with said AI tech and especially windows 11>Like Windows 11 cannot run on less than 16GBThis is going to be what awakens everyone to how bad things are. Things simply will stop working to an absurd degree.
>>107551007Use linux with XFCE.It's still a bit bad with 8GB but it's not horrible like windows.
>>107555760It would be, but now devs will have fucking save memory if they want to sell the games.
>>107551073never ever
I imagine the real strategy is just "8GB + swap thrashing the fuck out of the SSD"SSDs dying early are good for business.
>>107555924they don't give a fuck about weak hardware the ue5 slop can only be run at 60fps on rtx5090
>>107553319>AI can't do anything useful that justify its demand that fucks over common folkYou really thought you had a gatcha moment there didn't you? Retarded amerinigger
>>107555982>a gatcha moment
>>107555963UE5 is mostly very scalable, almost all games on it run on the fucking steam deck.Except oblivion remake, that one was fucking retarded.
>>107556048>steam deck.360p upscaled to 720p at 30fps
>>107555959that's been apple's strategy for a number of years now
>>107556089let me guess
>>10755100798% of laptops are not worth buying anyway (soldered ram)>>107555412I'll choose to lean 1 degree forward and grab a 7th gen intel that will survive until 2030 at least
>>107551073But jokes aside, what a time they picked to force people to buy new hardware. Fucking scumbags.
>>1075510078gb isnt even enough to run windows 11 and office
>>107551007More than enough on Linux
Thanks tech bros for ruining the whole world with your LLM slop. No more affordable memory, no more affordable computers, no more jobs, no more human expression of anything but "fuck you", you done real gud. Hey, I sure am glad our societies went all in on digitalization. The costs of running the system will explode too of course and a growing number of citizens won't be able to afford to participate. Sure is great this technology that liberates people from being able to afford anything. But at least the richest people get richer and can hoard all the wealth, and that's the important thing.
>>107551007Guise guise guise. Rejoice. Bloated jeetCode will be booted from the Internet once normies cannot afford to keep the delusional bloat running.
>>107551007I have an old laptop with removable RAM slot>>107556171>98% of laptops are not worth buying anyway (soldered ram)buy a laptop with removable ram slot
>>107557227nope you are just going to use only one or two apps at the same time
>>107551323Why did you blur out the amount of memory the actual tab is taking up?
My laptop from 2011 has 12GB RAM, it had 4GB as a base model and my 8GB removable stick cost about 26 EUR at the time.
should i buy an m4 air right now?i wanted to wait until m5 models in the spring but they will be affected too won't they? unless they've already been producing them
>>107558013they already charge $200 for 8GB so idk
>>107555898Turn on zram
Altman needs the RAM more than you do.
8GB? No you don't. You really only need 4.
I'm stupid but investing in AI seems like a reverse Pascal's wager >invest all your money into openAI>they achieve AGI>money is now worthless>they don't achieve AGI>you lose all your money
>>107558659You only need 1GB RAM on my laptopIt's soldered on board and you cannot be replaced!
>"but it's worth it for muh AGI">look inside>it's just ask jeeves
>>107555821>You werent using those rams anyways.My large cad assemblies would like a word with you.
>>107555963The only reason this perception exists is because devs are pazy as fuck and refuse to optimize the unreal engine. Theres myltiple games that run on the modern equivelant of potato built in the unreal engine. Arc raiders for example is properly optimized. And runs on far less hardware than the minimum reqs. It does however require the new fancy DX bullshit.
>>107551073Lol no way. They will just force you to stream Windows instead.
>>107551073Microsoft were shoving Win11 onto Surface tablets with just 4gb of ram. It was a pretty good machine before they pulled that shit too.
>>107555810Youtube is purposely setup to use more system resources when viewing it on Firefox and it's forks.
>>107551309That's a good one anon, you should consider doing stand up.
>>107557609Because he's trying to start shit and derail the thread.
>>107559281The solution is to use a yt-dlp frontend like x-tube or freetube.
>>107551384I've seen some pretty shitty LLM generated code but never have seen any of it memory profiled. Wonder how shit it is at memory usage and if that will sink LLM written code because the LLM is using all the RAM to generate code that can't work on machines that are now RAM limited.
>>107559281and this is the fault of firefox how?
>>107554840>64K "available">Turn on computer, see pic related
>>107559461The BASIC interpreter has to live somewhere. If you don't need it you can overwrite it and use all 64K once you have some machine code loaded and don't need it anymore. You can overwrite it before then too but it'll crash and you'll have to reboot it. There isn't an OS kernel watching and waiting to bonk you if you touch memory that isn't yours.
>>107559990It needs various stacks and heaps in RAM to function but the code itself for BASIC is in ROM. It's the address space that's the problem. If you're bits of memory in the same address space as the ROM, you live life on easy mode, only needing to work when ML is loaded.
>>107559990>The BASIC interpreter has to live somewhere.it doesn't live in ram, the issue is that the C64's address space is also 64k, so even things in rom mask out that space that would otherwise be ram.it's like how 32bit machines never show the full 4GiB available, since 4GiB is the total possible addressable memory of 32bit, not all of it can be ram, some of it has to be allocated to things besides main memory
>>107551911You can smear your fecal matter on every wall inside your house if you want, but keep it off my screen.
>>107553277>>>/r/whoosh
>>107560949this is the worst attempt at a save i've seen this year
>>107557609it's the youtube title blurred out not memory
>>107551007Good, this means game devs have to actually OPTIMIZE their shit code instead on relying on the user having more specs such as a bigger ram
>>107552547You do know there is a difference between being optimistic and being delusional right?
>>107562943worn out joke
>>107562943No lmao they will just make you stream everything instead and you're a retard if you think otherwise. They've been trying to normalize that for years anyway.
>>107562943Wasn't that a big failure years ago because of the massive input lag?
>>107551007>$289are y'all poor or what?
>>107551007The negative profit homework solver has really been worth all those data centers they can't afford to power on and consumer price hiking.
>>107551007You literally voted for this last year.
>>107554893>Still has two usb-2 plugs for some reasonI fucking wish. They put one or two 3.0s on it and call it a day, sometimes with an extra usb-c port I need to stick an adapter into to actually use. Would much rather have 2x3.0 + 2x2.0.
>>107563393No one's saying it's a bad thing; it sucks that consumer electronics take a hit, but in exchange we will literally cure cancer and every other disease, cross the threshold into the Singularity, and open up manned deep space exploration, just to name a few things.I believe most of us, especially here on /g/, realize that it's worth it.
>>107555769NTA but I've been using it since 2023 and I'm never going back to anything else. It fits my paranoia and my autism perfectly
Anyone else starting to think AI is just a trojan horse for bugs, pods, recessionary layoffs and CBDCs?
>>107565068I literally thought that from day 1. AI is the final puzzle piece for completing the elites' technocratic control grid that will enslave humanity for the next 1000 years
>>107551007What happened to all of the ram
>>107565068Oh yeah, it is a fantastic if you want to get rid of the humanity of the world. It's a very powerful tool, so of course people with a need for greed and power are going to use it irresponsibly and in evil ways.
>>107565137I ated it all
>>107565137>ai models run on nvida graphics card>ai jews use government money to buy up all the nvida graphics cards so nobody but them can do ai>some cheeky bastard starts making ai models that use regular ram intead of nvidagraphics card ram>ai jews use government money to buy up all the ram so nobody but them can do ai
>>107565068https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gGLvg0n-uY
>>107562943>Still being an AI apologistNo they won't you retard.We're gonna get more DLSS shit.
>>107551007Hilariously, that kills Windows, most of mainstream Linux distros, 75% of current-day gaming and any intense editing work.We are kind of going back to ye olde times when computing was fragmented. This time tho instead of different systems and architectures, the breaking point is price and what hardware person can put into their machines.
>>107551589No they don't. I work for a hybrid wft company that issues project managers, laptops and everyone else a desktop tower setup. Oath only top out at like 8 gigs of RAM. All of our work is done on accompanying websites through a in-house VPN, so unless your job involves 3D modeling software or you do a lot of content creation, no corporate it team what even consider upgrading the ram of any of those computers. How what they justify that when Windows technically runs fine on 8 GB? You're probably thinking of those " Day in the life of xzy" TikTokers that are issued hardware that is way more powerful than they need or deserve like a high-end MacBook or something like pic rel
I hope it takes us back.
>>107563144Imagine 289 usd for a pentium laptop... And to think I got a 6 core ryzen gaming laptop with a 4 gig Nvidia gpu for less than that just two years ago
>>107566680I managed to run zorin os lite on a two core pentium with 4 gig ddr3. Optimization exists (but microshart has never heard of it)
>>107567157Pure sex. I miss waking up early, waiting for my parents to leave work, turn on the pc and just play warcraft 3 and age of empires 2 all day long...
>>107552114let's say I'd rather use my 8gb phone over a 8gb laptop.
>>107551007AI has objectively made the world a worse place
