We should put heavy tariffs on any American cloud product
nah, I don't feel like paying even more taxes, thank you.also >>>/pol/
>>107560926>heavy tariffsSo copying the worst of American economic policy? Why?
>>107560975To fuck all those Silicon Valley faggots
>>107560942The point is not to pay at all and start developing our own stuff instead of sucking orange cock.
>>107560985Don't like them? Don't buy their products. What you're asking for is the government forcing other people to do the same, or pay a lot more.
>>107561018>What you're asking for is the government forcing other people to do the sameYes.Fuck normies and fuck their gay ass Facebooks and Amazons
>>107561014develop your stuff on your own dime. I have no interest in hindering competition so you can have your free lunch.
>>107561014good point 2bh, europe is in a pit in the darck technologically, things like this could help, but current day EU is too keen on US cock sucking, even if it means fucking EU over, ironically
>>107560926that would have been hilariously basedat first, europe would attempt to build up datacentersdriving prices even higherfucking up the american investmentsits like>yeaaaa, about that production capacity we were discussing a couple weeks ago?>i think im gonna sell it to euros for 1.5x the priceand then either amerifags poney up or they wont get the fab capacity needed to sustain their modeli either case theyre fucked, jews cry tears of blood, tsmc chinkoids rub hands
>>107560926Why doesn't Europe just make their own cloud?
>>107561018Yes. When you tax something you lower the comparative cost of developing on alternatives.
>>107561045americans/jews lobbying the EU
>>107561045>10>start doing anything in EU>get taxed to shit>fail>GOTO 10
>>107561053When you tariff something you reduce competition and increase prices for consumers
>>107561045This would literally help.Tariffs are a common way to protect domestic industry in its infancy from foreign established competition until it's developed enough to compete on its own.
>>107561045They're busy sucking the advertisement-riddled, privacy raping, strategically unaligned, but so cheap cock. Sheep only think about monetary costs, never about sovereignty. The only way to change that is to raise the prices.
>>107560926>We should put heavy tariffs on any American cloud productThat would make sense but we could just sue them instead if they don't behave.
>>107561076You let domestic competition grow.
We could also create a European stock market instead of having many small ones. Maybe that would create the opportunity for large tech companies in Europe.
>>107561078>>107561014You don't understand that domestic businesses depend on goods and services imported from abroad, and when you tariff those you increase costs for the business and they shut down. With steel tariffs for example, you may have preserved your inefficient steel plant for another few years, but every local manufacturer that depends on low-cost steel suffers.
>>107561156How is that relevant here? We're not talking about goods and the chinks makes them all anyway.
>>107561076this, 100% true
>>107560926We should make our own
>>107561156Americans sell us services not goods. We can import our servers from Asia.
You little dogs are getting fucked up the assYou can't and won't do shit bitch, how about you pick up your wife from Abdul's home before he beats her for not following his instruction.
>>107560926the only thing I hate more than american bigtech is my own govt, and them getting more of my money from tariffs doesn't sit well with me. I say no.
>>107561178>How is that relevant hereIt's relevant for businesses that use American tech. My steel example can be applied to services too.
>>107561241Tell me one American cloud service that is essential for making your own cloud.Basing it on AWS or something would defeat the whole point.
>>107560926we should EMP the entire european continent
>>107561227technically it would be literally jewish facebook getting less money, I'm all for it
>>107561277please don't. I don't have backups on non-magnetic medium yet. let's revisit that in one month's time, ok?
>>107561262>Tell me one American cloud service that is essential for making your own cloud.>making your own cloudThat's not what I said.
>>107561280tariffs are domestic taxes on foreign imports. you pay that.
>>107560926bought a minisforum ms-a2I gave it to my parent as a mediabox connected to their TV with kodi, so when they want a show i put it there for them.I also use it as my server as it's always on and connected to the internet.
I don't think about you at all
>>107561045Same reason things like twitter or youtube are hosted here; strong legal protections. I can't imagine something in the eu seriously getting off the ground without summarily being taxed fined and litigated to death.
>>107561045Why doesn't the US just make their own chip fabs?
>>107561307no, I'm not paying for jewish facebook, I'd rather pay for european one, k thx
>>107561014>start developing our own stuffLMAOLiterally impossible in the EU. Their whole thing is>make it impossible to innovate and operate services>your only choice is using american services>tax said american services
>>107560926We should put tarrifs on my cock so every bitch must pay me.
>>107561770>NOOO DON'T FORCE CORPORATIONS TO OBEY LAWS THEY'RE TOO WEAK TO DEAL WITH THAT
>>107561045Because the population is retarded and the word "venture capital" or, may Allah forgive me for uttering these words, "risk capital" are about as frowned upon as saying the holocaust didn't happen while standing in the middle of the Berlin holocaust memorial.There is no other reason. The shit about taxation is just cope. Is taxation bad? Sure but when you can't even get a 50k investment without people shitting their pants about muh risks tax rates might as well be at 200% because you're never going to get far enough for that to matter in the first place.
>>107560926>delusions of grandeurI hope the US unironically sanctions everyone affiliated with the EU the same way they did those Hague judges.
>>107561789>make laws which are impossible to obey>only foreign services who don't obey said laws can exist>tax them and call it a "fine"This is unironically how it works in the EU.
>>107561770>your only choice is using american services>impossible to innovateIt sounds like you gargled too much FAGMAN propagandaAll european tech companies would be in favor of tariffs against their overseas competitors
>>107561923>impossible to obeyif it is impossible for you to obey it is also impossible for you to access the European market
>>107561941>if it is impossible for you to obey it is also impossible for you to access the European marketI'm sure I would have heard about all American tech companies being blacklisted in Europe.
>>107561988nta but they all obey the ruleslike the good little whores they are
>>107561045There are already too many, like stackit, but we can't decide in which one to put full investment.
>>107561277Just have America pull out of NATO and let Putin do the rest.
>>107562036Poland alone could fuck up Russia
>>107562036sounds like copeenjoy poorfagmerica
>>107561941Ah, that's why the EU is full of domestic web services, I see
>>107562018I really don't see why they force Fanta to not be the same Fanta in the EU. I tried American Fanta, and it tastes like slop, but it's nothing out of the ordinary. EU fanta tastes better, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal to sell the amerislop version.
>>107562098The EU version still just tastes like cancer in a bottle compared to the original recipe not like that makes HFCS any better.
>>107562114>original recipeExcuse me?
>>107561418Already done. Most chips these days come from the United States
>>107562114I don't know, to me the EU version tastes like orangeslop but it still has more flavor than the american version. The american version tastes like sugary water with a hint of orange(?). Coca Cola products in my (EU) country have HFCS anyway. The original fanta is not illegal here either.
>>107562129Not that original. The post-war original version.
>>107562213>the original is not originally first thing to come, original is what I arbitrarily define as originalBravo. One could even say the original Roman republic (the USA (PBUH)) survived to the 21st century
>>107562236If you want the original so bad just tell me what country you're from and I will make sure you're next on the list after we dealt with Italy.>why ItalyNot making that mistake again.
>>107562098>>107562114its about known carcinogensyour population doesnt give a fuck so they feed you radioactive slop
>>107562098>>107562194In America they use high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar.Can you guess why? There are import and price controls on sugar which keeps the price high to "protect" the American sugar industry. Who lobbied for this? The American sugar industry (and the corn producers too).
Total cloud death
>>107560926what's the point when we don't have an alternative? You start putting tariffs on AWS/Azure?GCP and then what, we all go back to bare metal servers in the back office?
>>107562485But Europe has alternative cloud providers.Hetzner, Upcloud, Scaleway, etc.This isn't like the retarded Trump tariffs
I was working in a b2c company around 2018 when GDPR was rolled out in the EU. We as a company lost between 3 to 6 months prior to the rollout just making sure we were compliant, adapting all our services and infrastructure, trying to understand what exactly they wanted us to do. A total fucking nightmare. While FAGMAN was busy churning out new features and bugs, we were busy ticking boxes for Mommy EU so we wouldn't get a spanking. This continent is doomed.
>>107562505>Hetzner, Upcloud, Scalewayyou've never worked with AWS, have you? These companies you mention don't have a fraction of the services AWS has. While I was doing API Gateways going through Kafka clusters, spinning containers up and down to do OCR on the fly, Hetzner was going "Hello Sir, how big would you like your VM to be?"
>>107562547wew lad you scanned some pages
>>107560926Don't forget the credit card companies and social media.
>>107561032Based 100% agreed. EU needs to cord cut all American products out of existence. I am sick of them. They have the normies minds captures all this LGBT bullshit was spread by it. Keep that shit in the US.
>>107562547Just look at their "GPU servers". Absolute fucking joke and the price is insane. Hetzner has been dead to me ever since they pulled the IPv4 now costs extra because no one wants IPv6 shit. Every single person run shitbox provider in Belize offers free IPv4 and additional addresses for 1€ a month. And their support also deteriorated as they expanded into the US, who could have seen it coming.
>>107562632heh yes I did
>>107560926>Europe cannot build techn-
we should behead any american east of 40°W
>>107562657the EU is the primary force of american influence in europe and should be disbanded
>>107560926Taxes are gay and so are you.
>>107560926Yes, but first the national governments and EU institutions should stop buying cloud services from foreign companies.
>>107562660Huh, how much does IPv4 cost at Hetzner now? I just paid my bills, and it cost like under 10 EUR with tax and tip for 2 months with a cheap VPS with ipv4
>>107562657It's actually the UK that is the biggest spreader of lgbt and all kinds of degeneracy in Europe
>>107563172https://docs.hetzner.com/general/others/ipv4-pricing/>a /24 costs 484 monthly and 732 setup feeWhat in the god damn fuck? You can literally get LIR sponsorship, your own ASN AND a /24 for less than half of that.
>>107560926We should dissolve the so-called European Union immediately. Return the nations of Europe to sovereignty.
>>107563443going back to EEC would be fine.
>>107563443This.EU is traitorous cancer.
>>107562163>Already done.chip foundries != chip fabsUS foundries are purchasing them from ASML in the EU.
>>107560926>implying you don't already
i started using less and less usa hosted services. i moved everything from github to framagit, for example. (framasoftware's gitlab instance) https://framagit.org/
>>107561045Because the EU is not one single big country, it's a collection of 27 states.Good luck getting them to agree on anything in less than a year.Also this means capital is fragmented in national markets and there's not enough mega hyper concentration of wealth that could fund mega uber corporations that would have global footprint.So there is cloud in Europe too but they're smaller corps.
>>107563443And then watch them be irrelevant microstates.People who say that are either idiots or useful iditios who want to see US jews control each small Euro state after they all collectively become weaker.
>>107564965The EU was formed specifically to fuck over America.This is bad for America. Ergo, anyone who cares about America first and foremost wants the EU gone.
>>107561014good luck trying that while still under american military occupationyou might know it as nato
>>107560926Sure, go do that. You've been leaching like niggers off the U.S. for the better part of a century, what's a little more?
>>107561298it would take too many blu-ray discs to save everything to optical and hardware capable of reading it wouldn't survive anyway
>>107561014>>107561045>actually do something for yourself for once in your "lives", yurocucks>instant yurocuck coping and seethingVery telling.
>>107561789How come EU doesn't force BMW to stop doing anti consumer practices like subscription heated seats? Plastic oil pans? Why hasn't the EU forced German automobiles to be easily user serviceable?
>>107560975Why not copy others? Seems like good strategy
>>107566067Considering how badly "original" EU policies have turned out, I second this.
