There are serious injustices with critical web infrastructure. FOSS devs are underpaid/not paid at all. Take Denis Pushkarven's tragic story. Despite maintaing crucial web infrastructure he's broke. I think the solution is for unpaid devs is to stop maintaing & let the system temporarily collapse, make corporations beg for it back. Bargain for a fair wage. But most people on Fediverse disagree with me and think the EU should take full control, arguing server infrastructure should be overseen by the highest levels of the European Gov. I am asking for market consequences to manifest. But they as for strong centralized Government. I suggested that devs like Pushkarven switch to GPL3 and then show off software updates locally, Upload a YT video showing off the highlights of offline not released fully functional core-JS updates, but don't redistribute the code, instead say they will only distribute code publicly for a large $10,000 dollar fee. See how much bargaining power it has. It doesn't violate the GPL/MIT to show demos of unreleased software and request bargain payment for release, but the GPL3 is better because it demands reciprocity, if code is modified they must return the favor. We can also normalize paying for feature request all around, the software is free but asking for features is labor expect paying for thatDebate: Do we need Government in the FOSS server realm? It looks to me like the Europeans on Mastodon can't tell the difference between voluntary community driven projects & a strong centralized welfare state, they act like these are the same thing. To them Government and Community are synonomous terms. I don't understand why the claim of allowing the system to temporarily collapse until maintainers are paid a fair wage is controversial? I don't understand why they think everything should be free as in beer. Its odd to see self declared "anarcho communist support the EU.
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>>107561690beaverfag did you fuck hater anon yet
>>107561690Shall we start the story from the beginning?Who are these developers who work for free? and why do they do this?
>>107561690Why don't the ants just set the ball down? Are they retarded?
>>107561690>namefag>shills for the euevery time I think your ilk couldn't possibly get any more repulsive..
>>107561690FOSS is anarchist in nature. They can and even when the US tries to snatch it at Microsoft's behest, EU can still maintain it but is not obligated to solve Microsoft's trouble ticket if something borks.
>>107561890Ive been too busy playing Super FOSS bros to think about sex, despite Luke Smith being low tier I'm a beast with him pwning newbs and pros alike. I made it to the semi finals like a low tier God and was up against a Stallman main who utterly destroyed me but at least I did well before hand, Then I ended up in the losers pool and teared so ass coming in 3rd place in losers finals. I uploaded the videos on my Peer Tube, I got Luke to do his killer d-air spike on this Terry Davis.Any other Luke Smith mains here, How do you think his match up does against characters like DistroTube, Stallman, Konqi and Kenny? Not the mention the newcomer Anubis
>>107561690So you are saying they do it for free?!
>>107562105>>107562045I an anti EUI am saying allow the system to tempoarily collapse by cutting all matinance, even if it does hurt everyone and small biz and then demand people who need the services PAY A FAIR WAGE to the developers, if they they get no service.Most of Mastodon is saying have the government come in and rescue everyone. I disagree with that because its not practical and leads to monopoly as Government will pick winners and losers in the economy.
The EU shouldn't bankroll FOSS at all.That's retarded.Mastodon is full of retards, and so are you OP.>I an anti EUThanks for reminding me.
>>107561966>Antlas Shrugged
Open Source should be a crime. EU should be enforcing Free Software instead. It is the only real way of keeping the big corpo on the leash.
>>107561690Squish those ants
>>107562586>EU should be enforcing Free SoftwareThat's communism.
>>107562655>anything that doesn't result in the population opening their asses for Mr. Goldstein Shekelberg is communismGood goy
>>107561690all eu members should kill themselves
>>107561690>tyrannical globohomo "government" (temu north Korea)NO!
You have to understand how Europeans think. They view the world Government and Community as synonomous. They don't care rather its voluntary or state mandated, they just want their goals accomplished. Its a huge ethical blindspot demsocs have.
>>107562105yeah, this gets talked about on /r/Linux and Mastodon all the time, but I am in a minority stance of agreeing its a problem but I don't believe Government can solve it.its so fucking stupid the same leftist that oppose the EU banning porn want the EU to take full control of FOSS infrastructure and not expect censorship. They are foolish to think Government = People's power.
>>107561690>PushkarvenPushkarven can go suck a big one after his incessant donation-begging faggotry and his refusal to use the standardized NPM API surface to do it, because the standard way has a global opt-out that would prevent him from spamming his nuisance on every package reinstall.He is just about the WORST example you could cite to plead your case.
>>107562864no he is probably one the best examples, he was taken advantage of by the system, but sadly TMK he never moved on past donations. He should have taunted the world with videos of the latest offline non-released core-js, and if they want it, pay for a public release! The CEOs would have conceded and payed a ransom to get updates. Instead he just has a donation cuck mindset. MUH BIG DADDY EU WILL SAVE ME.its proof the anarcho communist "everything should be free" mentality doesn't work in real life. Capitalist pigs end up exploiting it. The very things AnComs hate the most comes true under their "everything should be free" mentality. The only FOSS that should be free is stuff we code out of passion. Feature request should be paid for because its labor. The software coded out of passion is free but not additional labor. I don't think its possible to have a full FOSS economy but if you really want to make the world better - GPL3 licensed software and closed source non-licensed software are the best choices. Everything else is cuckery. GPL3 for passion projects you want others to contribute toPatentless offline usable closed source software to make moneyMIT and BSD equal moral bankrupcy because large corpos can software and we get nothing back or just pay a dime like Apple did that one time. And patened or SaaS only software just screams "I am a digital tyrant who wants to control others"
>>107561690In my mine craft i convert all the death drone and tomohawk jdam factories and automate subsistence agriculture. Easy to destroy 5 mega poultry farms, hard to destory 500k automated hen houses (complete with deoderouzer and ferilizer management systems.Than everyone has a little free time to foss and the picture makes senss
BSD example hereIn theory if there was a license like BSD that made big players pay more it would be based, but currently this happens.
>>107561690I think the Finnish government owns Qt.
>>107561690>Do we need Government in the FOSS server realm?No, but we also don't need neckbeards holding the entire world hostage.Set up an AI system to maintain it. Problem fucking solved.
>>107563797t hese corporations probably don't even know how to maintain the software themselves, it requires specialist for long term matinance. these neckbeards deserve a fair pay, and it should come from supply and demand not a centralized beuracratic state.
Check those threads on /r/linux of normies celebrating the EU like its some kind of holy savior deity that will just swoop in and make everything betterhttps://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1lc6xi1/https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1m7j3vv/github_wants_the_eu_to_fund_critical_open_source/But in counter evidence, (supporting my worldview) we see threads on how EU regulations and state porn block legislations harm FOSS ,https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1772y0m/can_open_source_be_saved_from_the_eus_cyber/https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ngj9w3/how_would_californias_proposed_age_verification/https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verificationIts good how these leftist oppose EU regulations on FOSS, age verification, and private message scanning, I stand with them on that. But it makes no sense they trust the EU to centrally control FOSS. They want the best of both worlds to have their cake and eat it too. Like me they want the EU to not infringe on civil liberties with cyber security regulations, age verification regulations, private message scanning, but at the same time they are begging for EU money and funding and high connections the state. They don't understand that the State is a monster and you can't pick and choose individual components of it. Europeans have blind faith in Government that American's rightfully reject I wish Mental Outlaw would talk about this, I don't know if he did. but man Europeans are naive, they oppose EU intrusions while begging the EU for money. Something about that just pisses me off.
