>>107567122
Ai is replacing white collar workers, and they never had any impact on gdp and productivity in the first place.

>The productivity paradox refers to the slowdown in productivity growth in the United States in the 1970s and 1980s despite rapid development in the field of information technology (IT) over the same period.
>The term was coined by Erik Brynjolfsson in a 1993 paper ("The Productivity Paradox of IT") inspired by a quip by Nobel Laureate Robert Solow "You can see the computer age everywhere but in the productivity statistics."

>>107567122
We're doing just fine

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>>107567122
?

its a money laundering op i would bet. the llm algorithms are flawed and even if they had infinite computing power they still would be about as good as they currently are. there isn't any intelligence, and the idea of a "recursive" algorithm is just nonsensical. a llm will never discover anything that didn't already exist, nor find an unseen pattern. my guess would be in the future most menial corporate jobs will just be llm slave masters ensuring the algorithms aren't spitting out complete junk, enabling them to do grunt work 5x as fast.

>>107567250
>Anything I don't understand is money laundering
What's with everyone doing this nowadays

>>107567274
larry ellison sure got large government contracts. im sure no us politician has any oracle stock or receives any political donations. oracle sure needs a lot of gpus for these new government contracts, i wonder where they will get all the gpus from. im sure no us politician has nvidia stock.

>>107567303
That's not money laundering, that's a pump

>>107567122
it is not enhancing what workers can do, it is replacing them.
A +1 and -1 leaves your GDP in the exact same place only distributing the money to the top.
I believe in 20 years 50% of workers will be unemployable and on a monthly UBI.

>>107567319
instead of just taking the money we will spend it on things that hide the fact that we are stealing the money. there by, in a way, cleaning that money so no one gets mad at us.

AI is mainly designed to help programmers write code, but the ability of programmers to write code isn't what limits their "productivity".

>>107567122
AI can't do things which require precision, like write good code.
AI is very good at doing a small set of things like better than human face recognition.
Most of what AI is good for is not useful except for a surveillance state, which is what it is being used for.

>>107567189
Do computers really increase "productivity"? They're used everywhere, even in places like small shops or restaurants, and I would say that, in most cases, they cause more problems than they solve.

>>107567182
Trvth nuke

>>107567366
Don't be retarded. Imagine a shop without a cash register, without computerised payment records, manually tracking inventory, receiving orders only by phone, paying providers and bills in person with cash. Computers are so pervasive and ubiquitous that you forget how much we rely on them

>>107567392
>manually tracking inventory
average middle manager implying that computer did everything when some minimum wage worker keeps getting told that he isn't inputting the records fast enough

>>107567366
the jewish digital banking system allows them to process transactions much quicker, and allows goyim to use plastic cards instead of carrying cash. goyim can spend money they dont have via credit and pay 23% interest when they dont make their payment. the banks can then sell this debt to other jewish banking families.

>>107567196
Exactly.

>>107567250
>a llm will never discover anything that didn't already exist
This was the consensus by most researchers 2 years ago but those same people are fervently defending the opposite now. What did they see? My bet is the fat paychecks.

>>107567407
Now imagine if instead of inputting records you had to write them down on a notebook, manually update the total stock, and have to make out Carl's handwriting to tell if that's a hairdryer or a dishwasher

>>107567334
thiserino

>>107567182
Kek based

>>107567334
So true bro
Phones just put runners out of business
Cameras just put painters out of business
The printing press just put scribes out of business
Agriculture just put hunter gatherers out of business
I hate trchnology. Only thing that matters is creating jobs.

Here's my high IQ reply then: he starts out with weaselly, hand-waving terms rooted in a weak, poorly defined field called "economics." His overall argument seems to be that AI is bullshit which is a retarded, indefensible position, hence the need for nebulous, and poorly defined terms like "GDP" and "productivity."

His position is indefensible when one considers the many fields AI has displaced. Since chans are filled with contrarian, neckbeard faggots, trying to prove people wrong for ego cred (and OPs post is probably a zoomers home work assignment anyway), this is the part where you pounce on me for not spoon feeding you what they are. So I will of course then list the obvious answers: voice over work like (audio books), voice acting, call centre, support staff, transcriptionist / note taking, receptionist, graphics design, 3d modelling, bla bla bla, do your own home work, faggot.

>>107567122
Because it's current profitability vs it's investment is DRASTICALLY incongruent. It'll probably get more and more profitable over time, but investment has gotten far ahead of it all. Dangerously so.

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>>107567122
GDP is a flawed metric. Importing a gazillion jeets is going to improve the GDP far more than AI ever could, because they're gonna spend that meager pay on stupid shit and get the state to spend on their poorbux and health coverage, all of those things pump GDP, while all AI does is that companies will be able to deliver slightly more.

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>>107567122
gdp growth happens when you add another toll booth or middle man. if you give away a service for free or make something redundant, that actually subtracts from the gdp

>>107567122
The impact has been the mass firing of employees, which was always the goal. The bullshit about revolutionizing everyday life was always snake oil for the plebs

It's been fantastic for auto-translate. Even web browsers easily translate for you nowadays; this was unheard of 10 years ago.

But, yeah, for the economy at large the impact is muted. AI isn't going to affect housing and utilities at all, for example, and these are most people's biggest expense. Universal basic income is a pipe dream when housing is routinely rented at 30-50% of income or purchased at decades worth of wages. Isn't Trump proposing 50 year mortgages in the USA? You think the government is going to turn around and give the unemployed ongoing welfare benefits that will cover their budget with no requirement to work? LOL

>>107567122
The current situation can be characterized as a market bubble. A significant proportion of users are satisfied with using free versions of large language models such as ChatGPT. In the domain of AI image generation, extensive usage restrictions have led many technically proficient users—particularly those with high-performance hardware such as NVIDIA GPUs—to run models locally.

As a result, it is difficult to generate sustainable profit from two of the most widely used AI product categories. At the same time, industry actors are aggressively acquiring large datasets to support their services, which increases operational costs and further erodes potential profit margins.

>>107567196
constructing data centers that do nothing of value to raise your gdp sounds a lot like china constructing empty cities to raise their gdp except the difference is the cities can eventually do something other than waste resources

>>107567766

>Government pays unemployed to build/maintain housing

>Housing market prices plummet

>UBI is now affordable / sustainable

>>107567122
the structure and usefuless of AI is contrary to giant corporate bureaucracies which are now the bulk of our economy (ai works best in very flexible, customizable and particular set ups where a group/area who knows how to use it sets it up specifically for their use case, this is not at all how it is rolled out or how corporations work they work top down and AI is largely useless for that apart from like surveillance), and many of our largest companies have been captured and subverted by indians who use it solely to funnel money to their ethnics.

>>107567189
The way it's calculated is relative to the pay to productivity gap. Consumer spending can't go up if you don't pay them enough, thus the output related to consumer spending cannot increase profits beyond wage reduction.

>>107567806
>Housing market prices plummet

This lowers GDP and thus will not be allowed.

As others have pointed out, the primary use for AI will not be companies generating new revenue with it but lowering existing expenses. Expect higher CEO pay, dividends, and stock buybacks AKA more of the same last 40 years

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>>107567196
Unless ai can bring real benefits, building data centers is just postponing the economic crisis. Yeah, a bunch of buildings have need created and mony has been circulated, but the only thing to come out of them so far are some moderate automation, cumbrain shit and more scams. Not enough to offset the cost, let alone propel the economy forward. Something profitable will need to come out of it, or it's not going to hold.

>>107567182
underrated post, so good you get honorary trips

>>107567882
excuse the autocorrect, I'm phone posting from the shitter

>>107567182
holy based

>>107567274
It's like "tax write-off" or "Dodge v Ford".
It makes you feel like you're in the know.

>>107567122
>give me your best take on this
the twitter nobody is correct

>>107567182
>nooo! it really is replacing things
cringe

I increased my income with AI, you plebs are just not trying

>>107568202
shalom rabbi

>>107567189
Spbp
It's almost like we've been through this productivity gap before with economists.
In living fucking memory.

>>107567274
Everything i don't understand is
Money laundering
Jews
Glowies
Psyop
Pick one, or make up a new one.
All signs of low iq or schizophrenia

>>107567122
There is observable impact.

You're not running negative GDP.

>>107567407
>when some minimum wage worker keeps getting told that he isn't inputting the records fast enough
Why the fuck are you *manually* managing inventory on a digital system? The amount of manual manipulation should be the minimal not the total. You should know there's 20 in a box, 50 boxes on a pallet. One action should update the input of the lot... And the most manual part should be *blip*. IF that.

>>107567409
>the jewish digital banking system
I strongly encourage you to investigate the history of the banking system.
It's not the jews you're thinking.

>>107567417
>This was the consensus by most researchers 2 years ago
They wasn't very good researchers, then. Or they'd have known this shit will be able to provide previously unconsidered combinations.

>>107567882
>Not enough to offset the cost, let alone propel the economy forward. Something profitable will need to come out of it, or it's not going to hold.
Accurate assessment.

.gov everywhere doubling down hard for the panopticon potential but the fact of the matter is it can't keep propping itself up on bullshit.

For them to do that, they'll need to start absorbing serious income....

>>107567882
cute nazrin

>>107567182
Can you show evidence of this without citing AI companies?

>>107568316
>previously unconsidered combinations.
the libraryofbabel website can already generate every single unconsidered combination in the english language, and it doesn't require a data center to run the algorithm

>>107567346
This. A programmer spends maybe 3 hours a day writing code. Let's say LLMs cut that by half (not really, even that's optimistic), it's not like those 1.5 hours in the day are going back to the employer. Most likely the programmer will just dick around on Reddit or go home early.

So let's say 50% of those time savings transmit back to the employer. That means the company got back 45min a day of productivity. Meaning it could get away with shrinking 10% of the SWE workforce hypothetically?

Apart from a handful of pure play software companies, does it really matter if you reduce SWE payroll by 10%?

same reason it's been years we don't get non shit AAA games and hollywood movies

making new good stuff is not a technical problem. Code is not the bottleneck so AI is not that helpful
when finally new good stuff gets made it becomes a technical problem to make it run efficiently and that's where AI can help

right now consumers don't see AI because it's used by companies internally:
>in an evil way: by cutting costs to core and non core business by replacing part of the human workforce
>in a good way: by freeing human resources so they can focus their time on better stuff / new features
>or a mix of both

>>107568371
Then good news. This can work for more than language.
But you'd know that if your head wasn't that far up your arse you can only see teeth.

>>107568390
>because it's used by companies internally:
But what is that *worth*. What will they pay?
Especially when they can just deploy an open source model from china.

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>>107567122
Turns out people are extremely retarded and fell for an obviously useless "AI" meme.

>>107568376
This is how I feel about "productivity" typing shit like DVORAK, mechanical keyboards and riced text editors. If your bottleneck is writing code rather than figuring out systems, algorithms and debugging then you're a code monkey, not a software engineer

>>107568480
>But what is that *worth*
well it's worth something for the shareholders
they can cut almost everything and keep the business alive, devs in core business, most of non core business like, SaaS services that can be made internal, support, QA, and also human translations, art, copy writing, legal assistance
if google can be run with same revenue and half the costs AI just doubled the value of google.

Or in a less evil way, without cutting costs all the resources that were spending time on some bullshit drudgery can be redirected to new feature or polishing or more support and give the entire company a better grip as a leader in their market
That's value. No one is counting how much it is but it's there since literally every company pivoted to use AI internally as much as they can

>>107568376
I just spent 3 years working with embedded software engineers and there's just not much typing going on. More figuring out why stuff isn't working as expected and waiting 12 minutes for their project to compile and then 10 minutes for the "self-test" on the device to fail. They're extremely slow and are deliberately not writing much code because the code review process discourages it and rather than write anything they'd rather shit up their project with third party libraries (some of which are "generated") that aren't even precompiled (which is why they end up with 1200 file projects that take 12 minutes to compile). That's why AI can't help their productivity, it won't spontaneously convince them to precompile libraries and reduce their number of translation units.

>>107568555
>well it's worth something for the shareholders
And this will return the trillions invested... How?

It's digging big holes. They need to be filled, but people are just building across the span - whilst digging it wider.

>if google can be run with same revenue and half the costs
Now start doing math on what it'll take. Dickhead at screwgle was talking about doubling capacity every 6 month for the next 6 years. What's that going to cost? Especially considering they're at the point of having to build datacenters and powerstations to put the existing stock in...

And lets pretend that's screwgle sorted. What about the other examples?
There is going to be a winner in the "AI Race" and it isn't going to be everybody. Everybody else is losing everything they've thrown in. They may come across the line, but they aint ever getting anything for it.

>>107567464
Open markets are great for numbers who live on paper. However, we’re citizens living in a nation. Economies exist to serve the people who constitute them.

>>107568659
>Economies exist to serve the people who constitute them.
Then why are you in favour of keeping useless jobs that can be replaced by machines? People doing a job that nobody needs them to be doing just for the sake of having a job is people serving the economy, not the economy serving people

>>107568659
Did you even bother to read the post you responded to?
Your bot get lost?

>>107567122
Well you can see the impact
Just look at the price of ram!

>>107567346
That's retarded.
Writing code is the easiest part of being a programmer.
Reading and analyzing code is much harder, which you always have to do with AI code since it can't be trusted.

>>107567890
>honorary trips
what

>>107567122
still no sex robots

>>107567196
>>107567412
>>107567778
>>107567882
Here's the joke. The joke of that headline is that AI isn't the bubble. The ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY is the bubble. AI is being used to keep the bubble from exploding. If AI crashes, the entire global economy eats shit and we enter into a catastrophic, apocalyptic recession where hundreds of trillions of dollars of fake wealth are deleted instantly.

>>107568252
you forgot "russia" and "china" lil gup

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>>107569045
>hundreds of trillions of dollars of fake wealth are deleted instantly

>>107569045
WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN
BURN IT DOWN

The modern AI movement is no more than a search engine at it's core. I'd classify all of the recent tech based on vector embedding as the modern ai craze. For white collar workers it's somewhat more useful than google when used well, and if used poorly it actively harms your productivity.

>>107567182
just reducing workers not replacing them completely. you have to be delusional to believe that companies can do anything with AI alone

>>107568693
It’s now a balancing act. Replacing every last person would be more efficient but then what was the point of it all, exactly? Also, presumably we will still want people with some disposable income to buy the garbage these companies create.

>>107569091
There are, and always will be, tasks resistant to automation.
They steadily decrease, tho. And will do until you can measure workers globally on one hand without danger of running low on fingers.

>>107569106
Efficient for what? "The economy" isn't some magical machine that makes people rich, it's just what we call it when someone pays money to someone else to provide a service or product. Indubitably there are loopholes that a few people abuse to get immensely rich, but nobody controls "the economy".

Why are you using a phone instead of paying some kid to run to whoever you want a message sent to? Why are you using a lamp instead of paying someone to sell you wood to light a fire to see with? Why are you reading 4chan on your computer instead of going out in the square and paying people to tell you the latest news? THAT's the economy, and that's how the economy works. Nobody is making a dedicated effort to replace one job or another, people simply decide that a piece of technology is more convenient than having another person provide the equivalent service

Nobody can just turn off the economy like it's a faucet. Sam Altman declares that AI has made everyone obsolete? Cool, but when I go to the supermarket tomorrow to stock up on groceries it won't be an AI stocking the shelves and ringing my purchases. When I go to the doctor I won't be telling chatgpt my exam results and asking it to prescribe medicine. When my car breaks down no robot is going to come and repair it for me. Real jobs provide real services that real people need, regardless of what some well-dressed billionaire said in a press release

>>107567392
>Imagine a shop without a cash register, without computerised payment records, manually tracking inventory, receiving orders only by phone, paying providers and bills in person with cash
Stop, I can only get so erect

>>107567182
>he fell for the bullshit excuse and psyop to hire indians with the goal to lower tech workers' wages

>>107567196
do you even comprehend what you read? building datacenters != "AI". the datacenters themselves are skewing the numbers.

>>107567122
First, let's recognize the lie: productivity has grown in 2025. From this, we can deduce that the person quoted is an imbecile OR a liar OR both. Most likely a grifter, aiming for people with AIDS.
Second, the idea that GDP is the only metric, or THE metric by which we should measure things is absolutely braindead. Third, productivity can both rise AND the production level can stay the same - being more efficient at something means that you can spend less time on it.
So this leaves the actual implied argument being made, namely "AI BAD", and it is one of those awkward moments where you have to choose. Is it:
>AIEEEEEEEEE THE AYE EYE IS GONNA KILL US ALL DESTROY THE PLANET I'LL GET FIRED NOOOOO HELP ME ALTMAAAAANNNN
or is it
>psh, AI, so much money, no results, right? ;^)
You can't have both, yet the constant hysterical discourse about AI revolves around having both.
I want to say "you knew all this already and only made this post for attention", but chances are you actually believe it, and you are unironically crossposting dumb Xitter nonsense, in which case I implore you to stay on Xitter.

>>107567122

most of the modern companies write software in a way that is antithetical to productivity (which in software means solving people’s problems)
most devs are isolated by layers and layers of bureaucracy (think PMs, POs, designers, etc filtering your contact with the customer, as well as practices like design docs, having to go through “approvals”, etc) when they could just adopt practices that are really good like pair programming to solve tough problems, as well as constant prototyping based on customer feedback

AI is just another layer of bullshit on top of this.

its why your most productive and fullfilling work almost always happens when you are at a small company rather than a big one

>>107567274
People latch onto terms that make them sound like they're in an "insider" group, particularly if it suggests they have some rare insight into a situation. See: "liminal spaces", "rug pull" or anything ending with "-core".

This shit cannot do anything that requires critical thinking and long term planning, it is effectively a sweatshop worker that somehow understands english less than the average third worlder.
Pushing layers over efficiency has effectively strangled the tech in the cradle. It's too expensive to train and offer for niche uses, but trying to make it way smaller will just make it worse and turn people away.
3.5 is probably the worst thing to happen to AI.

>>107569180
>it won't be an AI stocking the shelves and ringing my purchases.
Yet.
Robots move. They can pick things up. They can put things down. Accuracy will improve.

>and ringing my purchases.
Yeah. They'll never solve the problem of autonomously detecting a product and corrolating this to a stock level and price. If only there was some sort of code printed on the products label that was easily machine readable...

>When I go to the doctor I won't be telling chatgpt my exam results and asking it to prescribe medicine.
But your doctor might well be asking tw@GPT what to do. And feeding it your exam results in the process. Eventually, the error rate will drop here and they will be able to skip a step.

>When my car breaks down no robot is going to come and repair it for me
Yet.
Cars are already fully autonomously assembled. The entire factory dark, because you don't need lights when there are no people. Taking it apart can be equally automated. The go and fetch it phase is already nearly entirely automated. The car itself diagnoses the issue already.

>Real jobs provide real services that real people need
And one by one these services become automated.

>>107569328
>Second, the idea that GDP is the only metric, or THE metric by which we should measure things is absolutely braindead.
That is accurate. But it doesn't leave your economy looking much better.

>You can't have both
And yet. Here it is. Money sunk ... And it's not coming back. Not spending isn't quite the same math as returning deficit.

AI is just as retarded as regular people. Our engineer has apparently been using it to generate his reports (I am a contractor working insurance claims for weather damage). AI cites the wrong building codes and totally missed that ASTM values for a materials test were wrong (new vs. aged). Not only did AI fuck it up, but the goddamn ENGINEER missed it too. I, a person who is definitely not an engineer and has no degree, am the one that caught it. He incorrectly assumed that AI was smarter than all of us, and since it generated a few correct reports, it could be trusted WITHOUT REVIEW to generate other correct reports. I think this will be a huge issue going forward, i.e. everyone just blindly trusts that AI isn't just totally making shit up.

>>107569381

ofc management has all the power, so it won’t off itself, it’ll find ways to shift blame into devs (they have ai tools now, just do slop and ship faster!!!)
oh its unsustainable? not my problem ahaha *jumps ship*
nobody does things for long term anymore

>>107569423
>And one by one these services become automated.
And I for one welcome it, I would much rather deal with an efficient system than with a minimum wage worker who hates his job and me equally. But they won't be replaced until the machines CAN do the job as well as a human or better, that's the deciding factor.

No matter how much the american plutocracy circlejerks around AI, the jobs that will be replaced are the jobs that CAN be replaced. "They" aren't the ones who decide when that happens. Whether machines can replace a specific job is a yes/no answer, it's not up to debate, either the machines are good enough or they aren't, and that remains to be seen for each individual case

If (your) job gets replaced eventually, then it's time to find a new job. You're not entitled to be paid to provide worse service than a machine will. "The economy" doesn't decide which jobs to keep and which jobs to delete based on either sympathy or malice, jobs which aren't needed simply stop being asked for.

>>107567122

>>107569223
>>107567392
>What was Amazon Fresh before Americans fucked it up AND after finding out indians were behind the camera

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>>107567182
When a 4channer says it, he is called based.
When someone who understands socialist theory says it, it generates seething.

>>107569140
To be fair, jobs represent how society solves problems. You work not for money, but to solve specific problems. Some problems already have solutions, some don't. If AI solves some problems, then the people replaced by AI will need to find other jobs or find other solutions to the problems.
>b-but jobs are decreasing
Maybe many problems have been solved or people haven't found another problem to solve yet.
when you get paid its just a bonus from solving that solution or completing your work
hate it but that's how the world works

>>107569045
Good thing a system parralel to the over-financialised western system has been forced into creation almost 4 years aho.
Those who dance with the devil have no exit path, but for the rest of the world, the tools are there.

>>107569023
Newfag lurk moar.

>>107569592
Yeah, because the socialists also advocate for backwards mentality so that a few more people can artificially keep their jobs that was automated by technology decades prior.

>buying up all the hw with fake money
>raising prices for all consumers
>own nothing, not even compute, rent from the aiaiai companies and be happy

ai win

>>107568659
Well until we get rid of food stamp niggers all poor people can fuck themselves, I'm never paying for that more than I already have to

>>107567122
Studies show people think they are being more productive when using AI, but actually it is slowing them down.

>>107567182
>Ai is replacing white collar workers
It absolutely isn't, no matter how hard they make you push your script.

>why didn't the car murder all horses immediately
weird idk really makes you think

>>107569592
Source?

>>107569479
>"The economy" doesn't decide which jobs to keep and which jobs to delete
And unless the expenditure in all this AI to not delete the jobs pays off, and soon, there won't be an economy to decide. All the grease is going into the AI wheels...

>>107569625
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>>107569969

>>107569818
Then good news, nigger, you don't pay for food stamps. Not in money, anyway. They print the money on demand, then use taxes to impose artificial scarcity.

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>>107569961
Just search the text in google with "quotes".

>>107569961
>>107570010
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/07/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2025-161.html

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>>107567122
But there might be an impact.
A bad impact...

>>107568497
No one ever expected it to replace the engineers, but a lot of jobs are just low level coding. Again it's an issue of the elites being spared from any of the pain while the low level people in society suffer. Not everyone is smart and capable and if society can't provide them a good life, that is a huge problem.

>>107569592
Socialism is even worse cause in it white colars are the ruling class of everything.

>>107569059
lol this. I stroke to this thought. Imagine being able to buy a house for what it actually costs to build one minus depreciation.

>>107570069
You are defending H1B codemonkeys

>>107570010
Marxism is outdated. What we really need to do is it make everyone capitalist by outlawing government issued money and replacing it with stocks and walmart gift cards.

>>107570089
This is a major macro level societal problem. The process of creative destruction has been a constant problem the entire industrial revolution. It's been getting worse and worse. Old good jobs are replaced with new shitty jobs. In the past that meant people who were craftsmen and produced goods from start to finish by hand got outproduced by assembly lines which forced everyone to become subservient to capitalists who owned all the production lines. That caused quite the kerfluffle as people adjusted and many resisted, but with the death of the soviet union that struggle is over and old news. Now all that is happening is old jobs of subservience to capitalists are getting replaced with new jobs of subservience to capitalists, but each time it happens the jobs get worse and more and more control over people's lives is offloaded onto a computer/internet based structure that controls their actions like they are cogs in a machine.

Talking about race like this makes you look like a tard who is being easily manipulated by the capitalist's divide and conquer scheme. You are just a mark being manipulated by your base instincts to not rise up in this hellhole of a system because you think you are one rung above the lowest and that makes you feel good about yourself because you're a narcissistic little prick like the rest of the worthless people in this rotten society.

>>107567778
They would if they didn't crumble apart 3 years after being built, plus, those buildings are never going to be sold anyways, they just send patrols around to evict people living there and that's all there is to it.

>>107567122
It's a ponzi shceme.

>>107570219
They are sold to Chinese "investing" in Real Estate.
It doesn't help that Chinese culture *requires* that males own property to get married.
So all of China's retirement savings are tied up in crumbling buildings.

>>107569969
You'll realize that AI is just an overblown hype, considering the enormous power required to run it
Currently, dumb investors are putting all their eggs in one basket, like AI, without realizing that without a technical breakthrough that overcomes current AI limitations, the AI bubble will burst. If jobs replaced by AI that require expensive computing power, it will be unsustainable
By the way, the job least likely to be replaced by AI is a scientist

>>107569670
What are you referring to?

>>107570403
>You'll realize that AI is just an overblown hype, considering the enormous power required to run it
Please define what part of my statement lead you to believe otherwise.

>Currently, dumb investors are putting all their eggs in one basket, like AI, without realizing that without a technical breakthrough that overcomes current AI limitations,

>All the grease is going into the AI wheels...

>the AI bubble will burst. If jobs replaced by AI that require expensive computing power, it will be unsustainable

>And unless the expenditure in all this AI to not delete the jobs pays off, and soon, there won't be an economy to decide

>>107570010
> see marxist mentioned in a paper
> it's lolcow time
sad

It's because AI doesn't exist.

>>107570415
>over-financialised western system
SWIFT
>system parralel
BRICS
>almost 4 years aho
Conflict in ukraine
>has been forced into creation
Sanctions.
>Those who dance with the devil
NATO and others US allies
>no exit path
No solution to the everything-bubble
>the rest of the world
Countries who didn't sanction Russia
>the tools are there
Settlements in local currencies, swap lines with China

AI isn't about creating productivity or automation.
Evidence: these fuckers can put up graphs that say the productivity is going up while the factories are being packed and shipped to china.

Did you not wonder why AI started with chatbots and never extended beyond language?
It's not a natural extension. Deep blue started with chess. Deepmind's first claim to fame was winning in go against lee sedol, followed by ke jie. Even openAI tried to do a Dota 2 exhibition.
Yet the focus is completely gone from interfacing with semi/realtime game models.
Language is the focus because language capacities are what's required.

Language is required because recent initiatives by governments have been to regulate speech on the internet, not to improve productivity (see above). Productivity is a byproduct, if that, of AI.
This started with outright legislation, moved on to the dead internet and digitizing india while they can't get a fucking toilet working, and now they finally found AI agents that can shit up the internet however the hell they want. Get the rubes back in line, eating up actual fecal matter.
Nobody gives a shit about internet censorship anymore. Not even the UK and Australian laws, Tiktok is being sold and nobody gives a damn.

Your leaders, everyone (yes, this includes everyone from the east to the west).

>>107567122
For every good developer who has their productivity increased by having what is essentially a better search engine, we have 1000s of Indians copy and pasting whatever retarded shit the AI shits out and then force pushing it like retards.

AI is double edged in that sense, any of its gains are neutralized immediately by retards who think it can do anything.

>>107570666
Nice trips, btw.
>Did you not wonder why AI started with chatbots and never extended beyond language?
Ask me how I know you don't know what your're talking about, and have never read a research paper, let alone one on the use nural nets for image classification, and generation. Let alone their use in multiple industries, from pharmaceuticals to applied materials sciences.

You wouldn't know anything about being able to generate an accurate 3D representation of your form simply by observing the limits to various actuation, self-adapting to compensate actuation due to damage. Better part of a decade ago.

>recent initiatives by governments have been to regulate speech on the internet
Stop using centralised services. Solved.

>Tiktok is being sold and nobody gives a damn.
The damn people already give is too much. Like other docile media cesspools of it's ilk, it's a symptom of a much larger issue: The fucking spastics that make it possible. Repeatedly.

>Your leaders,
I don't follow. You don't want me behind you. You want me where you can see me. If you've any sense.

>>107569592
When a 4channer says it, it is one sentence with 19 words and the person reading it is smart enough to get to the conclusion by himself

When someone who "understands socialist theory" says it, it is a 5000 words textwall of fluff with false implications hidden in between.

>>107569592
>Y-Y-Yeah o-once this a-a-all burns down t-things w-will magically i-improve! Y-You j-just have to s-s-suffer first!
If you're still wondering why people at best just don't listen to someone "who understands socialist theory" read that last paragraph a few more times. If you aren't a complete psychopath you'll get it eventually.

>>107568233
>In living fucking memory.
Collective memory with few exceptions reaches back about two years at most. With economists it'd be a biblical miracle if they manage to think further than a quarter of a quarter.

>>107569479
>If (your) job gets replaced eventually, then it's time to find a new job.
Hey retard, we don't live in a society where there are enough jobs for everyone.

>>107571440
>If you aren't a complete psychopath you'll get it eventually.
What if I am a complete psychopath, and still get it. But just don't care?

>>107571634
>Hey retard, we don't live in a society where there are enough jobs for everyone.
This has been true since before the inception of "AI". The first jobs to go will be those that really shouldn't have been there to begin with...

>>107571672
>complete lack of strategic planning
>low IQ
>extreme self overestimation
Yeah you're a textbook psychopath

>>107567122
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>>107569592
>AI drives profit rates to zero
>Labor theory of value is baked into capitalism

Every time I think I've seen the most retarded communist, there's always another one to prove me wrong.

>>107572058
anon the labor theory of value was the original proposal of adam smith
yes, is one of the bases of capitalism, even if people then tried to argue against its for moralistic and ideological reasons. its really dificult to arge that the workers are not the actual value creator in the economy unless you deny that part

>>107572093
the actual value creator is the end client.
quite literally
hes the one covering for the technological process that brought him the product

thats why for certain products to exist, they need to be made with slave labor

>>107571720
You can think that if you wish. It isn't wise, for you, but I'll allow it.

>>107572058
>>AI drives profit rates to zero
I'm not sure anyone has tried to convey this concept. I certainly wasn't.
But there's a lot going in, and what comes out will not be equal. More importantly. Not everyone is getting an equal slice of that pie, by which I mean equal to that which they put in.

There will be a pie. One person might eat. They won't eat well. The crumbs everyone else is left with are going to be questionable in terms of cost:value.

Then the bill for cooking the pie will arrive.

How my boss thought it was going to be
>use AI to do a 1h job in 10 minutes
>therefore productivity is increased x6
How it actually works
>use AI to do a 1h job in 10 min
>set task estimate to 2h
>spend the rest of the time browsing 4chan and watching Columbo

>>107572093
>>107572145
Both narrow views of a more complex system.

>>107567731
actually gdp growth happens when you import infinity unskilled brown undesirables that will live off welfare until they die.

>>107572178
were deliberately limiting ourselves to finance/economy
otherwise the way to go is full automation + maximum industrial vertical integration + state stakeholder communism where everyone owns an equal share of the country
which basically translates into star-trek kind of utopia

you could account for scientists/white collars by just state-abducting them into universities and you shove everyone else into the army for 20 years to give em a sense of purpose and community.
fleshbags are obsolete on a battlefield anyways, its more of a societal measure than anything else

>>107572202
all this is because boomers have saturnism and cant be arsed to do money otherwise but hodl the s&p 500

>>107572093
>>107572145
The workers create the good/service that is valuable, but the valuation is determined by the buyer.
LToV falsely states that the valuation is determined by the worker.

>>107572250
yeah, thats what i was saying, but using other words
saying that the valuation is determined by the worker would negate the idea of price discovery (aka, haggling)

a worker can valuate his work as high as he wants, the client wont pay more than the competition for an equivalent product
if the client has fuck all money or theres too much offer, the price has to be discounted or there will be no sale.
the client decides the valuation bc hes the one holding the purse strings

>>107567882
Sounds like China's ghost cities, i.e. national socialism, i.e. a great idea.
Only problem is that population growth is easier to predict than A.I. growth.

>>107572202
>when you import infinity unskilled brown
Isn't there a "waa jeets took mah jerb" thread on /pol that's missing out on your unique and throughly considered insights?
I bet they'd really like to hear what you have to say.

>>107572358
>brings up jeets twice across two different threads
Lmao, good morning saar!

>>107572225
I'm talking economic theory too. Trying to argue whether it's the end consumer or the workers who generate the real value is asenine since value can be generated at every step. People producing the parts out of raw materials, people producing the marketing to convince consumers to buy it, the operation that assembled the product, etc. WIthout any of those steps the fundamental value of the product or service being made is lower as it does not fulfil the function it's designed for for anybody involved.

>>107572397
Did *I* bring it up?
If possible. Try to think about the answer. Remember. It is still written on the screen.
Bonus points if your fucked up political ideology allows you to notice this isn't /pol.

>>107572446
Buddy, I have only used the words brown and unskilled to describe the undesirables. YOU are the one who assumed I was talking specifically about jeets, because you are one. I want ALL of you foreigners gone.

>>107572400
i think of it as a sort of "fractal"
small scale systems have the same property as large scale ones
but at every scale you have a seller and a client
even at the scale of the company itself: there the company is the client for the worker's workhours

>>107567122
People spend the increased productivity for leisure during work, instead of doing more work they won't be paid for doing.
Hourly wages was a mistake.

>>107572509
this.
bring back indentured servitude

>>107567366
computer aided design is an area that has dramatically increased productivity, not having to sketch a schematic by hand and then setup tools ect, every thing you own made in the last 25-35 years was probably designed completely or in part on a computer.

also I can order custom pcbs online and they will be at my door in 2 weeks, that would be litterally impossible without computers.

>>107567122
AI isnt actually replacing anyone, H1Bs are, AI is just the perfect excuse for tech companies to fire american workers

>>107567122
CEO replaced soon

>>107572477
>because you are one. I want ALL of you foreigners gone.
I really isn't.
You're right. That was an assumption on my part. Because I have to encoutner whiney bitches like you all the fucking time, despite you having somewhere specifically for these whiney bitchings.

I'm only a "foreigner" to you, because I don't live there.
You're a "foreigner" to me. I'd want you gone too. But I can settle for you taking your political bullshit back where it belongs, in /pol with the rest of the inbred mongaloids.

>>107572530
>bring back indentured servitude
Careful what you wish for. I'll be able to buy you real cheap soon.

>>107572400
>>107572498
im actually pretty happy with that
didnt do a meta analysis of that
but yeah
youre just moving the interface around
and everything thats on the "left", towards the origin of the product which is the owrker and its labor, is "the seller", an abstract entity.
and who's on the "right" of it, towards is the end client, is the abstract "client"
then modeling behaviours is just attributing the respective roles
its works neatly because a seller can also act as a client and what decides his behaviour in the interaction is, quite obviously, whether hes a seller or a client.
on which side of the interface hes sitting *for this interaction*

>>107572606
>Careful what you wish for. I'll be able to buy you real cheap soon.
im a free radical
ill either be doing the buying alongside you or ill be selling drugs or something

>>107572606
>I really isn't.
Lmao, stop bothering me sukhdeep

>>107572644
lol

>>107572688
>stop bothering me sukhdeep
Then fuck off back to /pol with the rest of the knuckledick closetcucks.
It's really that simple. There is a place for you. It isn't here. It could be, if you could keep your facile political ideologies seperated. But you can't. You walk into a thread about AI and "Waaa. Brown. political concept I don't understand but don't like."

It doesn't bring anything to the table. Certainly not anything you've not brought before. Countless times a day because you lack the ability to actually think beyond the memes on docile media you've used as your educational materials.

So...
Fuck off back to /pol little inbred impotent man-child. Don't make me call the 'tardwarngler.

>>107572754
you're fuming, bloody bitch

>>107569592
>Profit comes from the value of labor that is not paid to the laborer
Profit is income after total cost, not just labor cost. This nigga is retarded

>>107572770
I am, this captcha is f'kin annoying.

You're irritating. Sure. But who wouldn't be irritated when a spastic starts smearing shit everywhere with their desperate flailings?

You put them back in the ball pit, before playing with something they don't understand gets them hurt.

So .... Off you toddle... /pol is that way
/me points