I literally have nothing open and it's acting like this.
>>107567363it's written in React Nativei wish i was joking...
>>107567363I run Windows 7. Right now I have chrome with 10 tabs (incl. heavy applications like pisscord and jewtube) and thunderbird open and my whole system is using 4.7gb of ram.Imagine falling for the Bharatdows 11 meme
>>107567363Mine is a bit lower but not much.It's jeet tech, everything has delay even clicking start button or right click desktop.I recently got some ancient windows xp all in one with single core cpu and could not believe how snappy gui feels.
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>>107567496OP BTFO
>>107567496Based
>>107567496I had some chink netbook from aliexpress running custom chink windows 10 build and it ran surprisingly well with only 2gb ram, you could browse the web with couple of tabs open, run office, completely usable machine.
>>107567363It's only at 36%? Is that bad? I thought unused RAM was bad?
>>107567512Yeah, it's almost like anon said:>and fail to understand that modern memory managers are way smarter and made by people probably a lot smarter than 99% of the who think they know how to program here.
>>107567363RAM is basically free these days, doesn't matter
>>107567542not anymore
>>107567363Gratz, you can sell 10GB from that since you obviously don't need it. That's like 62% the value of a 16GB kit!
>>107567542>>107567547
when I last used Windows Server, it used I think 800MB of RAM at boot.But that was the build it shipped with. It's probably way worse now with the AI code in.
>>107567547You must be like 18 if you worry about the current fad driving market hysteriaI'd be more concerned with getting salami sliced to shit as the industry recovers
>>1075675546-7 years ago I worked for some super cheap company, they where running 2gb ram machines and I used gigabit ethernet for swap and readyboost caching. It was slow but worked.
>>107567363Here is a solution## Reasons to Remove Windows and Install LinuxSwitching from **Windows** to **Linux** can be a beneficial move for many users. Here are some compelling reasons to consider this transition:### 1. Cost SavingsLinux is typically **free** and open-source, which can save you money compared to purchasing a Windows license.### 2. Performance and Resource EfficiencyLinux generally requires fewer system resources, leading to **faster performance** on older hardware. It can also be less prone to slowdowns over time.### 3. SecurityLinux has a reputation for being more secure than Windows, with fewer viruses and malware targeting its users. Regular updates and a robust permission system enhance security.### 4. CustomizationLinux offers extensive **customization options**, allowing users to tailor their environment to meet specific needs, from desktop appearance to system functionalities.### 5. Community SupportThere is a large, helpful community around Linux that can provide support, documentation, and forums for troubleshooting issues.### 6. Variety of DistributionsThere are many **Linux distributions** (distros), such as Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian, catering to different user preferences and needs, making it easy to find one that suits you.
>>107567375I heard they're making a full Windows clone in React called ReactOS
>>107567363ok I'm completely serious here, why are you using windows 11? I need to use windows for some engineering work software and for some japanese stuff that basically only works in windows. so my daily driver is arch (btw), but I also use nix for some things.I have another drive that has windows 10 for windows stuff, then I have proxmox with a bunch of other OSes if I need them.but why windows 11? you can use the latest hardware including 5090 cards on windows 10. even the latest processors work more than fine (almost all the windows 11 scheduler code has been backported to windows 10).there is literally zero fucking reason to use windows 11, unless you need it as a test environment when writing software for clients using windows 11 (we have such servers at my work just to test for clients, even though all of our machines are windows 10). I seriously haven't heard a single fucking reason why windows 11 should be used.
>>107567425I love windows 7 but you actually do need the windows 10 kernel and scheduler for modern hardware to work properly, let alone at all in some cases. what I dont understand is the people who use windows 11, because there's nothing that windows 11 can do that 10 can't do. maybe some weird edge cases with directstorage that don't matter at all in real world usage?
>>107567363I can imagine it caching a lot of stuff
>>107569437>(btw)When will the redditors finally leave this place?
>>107568193aislop
>>107567363I hate modern tech and especially everything that has to do with recent microsoft.I wish to go back so bad...
>>107567363ME WHEN I BUY RAM AND THE PC USES THE RAM THAT I BOUGHT
>>107569702you're retarded
>>107569657oh no it's a joke (You)I haven't used reddit since it got dunning-kruger retarded around 2011
>>107569713ME WHEN SOMEONE SAYS A FACT BUT I'M A RETARDED NIGGER (YOU) AND CANNOT COMPREHEND IT
>>107568193>transition
>>107567363>>107567375>>107567547>>107568193>Android using half the ram idling: unused ram is wasted ram, it's le linux after all, very efficient>iOS using half the ram idling: unused ram is wasted ram, it's le unix after all, very efficient>Windows using half the ram idling: noooo it fucking sucks it's trash it's garbagewhat is this mental illness called?
>>107567363shut up and keep mining my coin
>>107567512Same kinda. For the last 10 years I've only had 8gb ddr3, partly because I'm too lazy to upgrade but also because I never felt the need to? I always have discord open, 20+ firefox tabs + my daw open and everything works fine. Why should I need 16gb/32gb, is this all a psyop? Even games run fine, those that won't its mostly a matter of my gpu being shit too.
>>107569775Nobody ever called Android efficient.
>>107569733Even if a program is completely pre-loaded into compressed or even uncompressed RAM, why is a basic application taking over a gig of space? checkmate you fucking jeet
>>107569775except android basically kills the n-2 app on the stack and when you go back to it it has to restart completely or load a saved state because java shit consumes so much memorymanufacturers mitigate this by shipping a glorified selfie talking machine with 100GBs of ram, and retarded users eat this shit up and think it's a feature compared to itrash which can do the same thing but better with half the ram
>>107569840I fucking hate this about android. You need to manually pin apps that you don't want to fully reload (or turn off battery optimizations for them). But then if you forget to unpin or manually close them, you can hit a forced memory cleanup threshold.
>>107569840When Android phones had less than 4GB of RAM it would be killing the fucking launcher. Imagine pressing home and waiting until it starts again. It's so bloated it's insane.
>>107567363>I literally have nothing open and it's acting like this.Worrying about Windows RAM usage is for midwitsThe amount of RAM Windows allows itself to use shrinks and inflates with free RAM
>>107569869>Imagine pressing home and waiting until it starts againI don't have to imagine that was how we poor people lived for a decade.
>>107569871This is a completely retarded way to run a scheduler. Constantly shuffling RAM and read/writing on SSDs is so stupid.
>>107569437I use windows 11 bcuz i dont want to login into ms account for getting updates.Local Admin + unbloated Windows 11 = perfect. /32GB-RX6800-5600X/ not a great config, but after a bloat it def run as fine as w10
>>107569857>>107569869I'll preface by saying that brand wars are stupid, but every time I try to use android for its many features (like sideloading and shit), this is one of the major problems I always hit that makes me regret it and go back to using an iphone.I can simply never close any apps and when I go back to an app I last used literally more than a day ago it will more often than not be just like how I left it, down to the scroll position on some list. idk how it does it.on the other hand one stupid thing about ios is how hard it limits things running on the background, so to download a large game data or your songs from spotify, for example, you need to keep tapping the screen to keep it on for the whole duration of the download or else it will stop.
>>107569889>i dont want to login into ms account for getting updatesWhat do you mean by this? What servicing updates do you need? What is your attack surface? Are you not on a subnet with an edge IDS or something? I don't get this "I need every update forever" thing. Same mentality with people who criticize repos that haven't had an update in 6 months because "it's unmaintained now" like what
>>107569903my clients use Windows 11, i need to use Windows 11 to be sure its perfectly runs on there.
>>107569896Yea I get it. I've worked as a low level (you've used file manager firmware I've worked on (sorry lmfaooo) if you've used any android phone ever) Android as well as iPhone/iOS programmer (again, firmware, not "apps"), and I feel the same way. I prefer how much flexibility you get with android out of the box, but it becomes a major fucking PITA with certain base design decisions like how app foregrounding and backgrounding and sleep is implemented. there are some things you can get around with custom images and then using things like grapheneos, but it's something that's just a fucking pain and I don't even like doing that anymore.also I will say that for people who travel, iPhone is so much better because it works with every type of eSIM and in every country and with every type of NFC payment system. different iPhones have different bands but most iPhones work in most places, whereas even flagship androids often have radio band compatibility issues when traveling. also, FeLiCa (NFC-F) on android ships with almost all chipsets, but you need a special firmware to get it to work (it's disabled and now even hard to enable through xposed framework) on android phones without a japanese region loaded version of android.fuck all that noise, and I say this as someone who has spent way too much time working in the bowels of these phones. I have a bunch of phones but when I'm traveling my main is always an iPhone because it just fucking works. Tim Cook is a fucking tool, but Steve Jobs, a flawed person as he was, still at least has some control over apple design from beyond the grave, in that things need to be obvious to the user and user-centric. google has increasingly made AOSP increasingly hostile to the user, and this is reflected in most OEM android builds on top of the AOSP base. I hope harmonyOS and MIUI keep improving.
>>107569929for this I understand. I have work boxes that are Win11 targets for testing for clients.
>>107569885It's actually trying to save on SSD reads and writes.The RAM bloat in Windows is from the memory management deciding not to flush unused and dirty memory pages to the page file. This saves on hard faults when there is plenty of free RAMWith less free RAM the MMU gets more aggressive with flushing.You can take a VM and adjust the RAM amounts lower and witness this.You'd be surprised how little RAM the OS needs before you run into constant page trashing.Windows before would just send anything that could be flushed and is why RAM usage was consistent on a clean install and boot no matter the RAM amount.
>>107567363M$ replaced its coders with pajeets and this was the result: A total piece of shit broken at its very core.
>>107570012Except for the fact that...>open a basic notepad or weather app>2 gigs of dirty pages already?Nice try
>>107569975interesting. I (>>107569896) worked on multiple enterprise android apps for a couple of years (the kind you maintain for a long time and sell licenses to, not small tools you shit the play store with along with 1000 other similar solutions), and two of the biggest pain points I remember are that1) every system update that comes out is a pain. I've never seen anyone excited by a new android version. every new API that comes out or change that is made to an existing one is always more hostile to the developer than the previous one.and 2) from minor to major things, all vendors have all kinds of differences in behavior and feature set in the android version they ship in their phones. it's hell having to debug why the keyboard flickers or the background geolocation feature sometimes doesn't work on a client's samsung A32 but works on all of your test devices
>>107570026The weather app has decided it needed a a 2GB working set.I should probably also mention it's not just dirty but clean memory pages. Clean is a little different because they can be highly compressed so they dont save writes. Windows still obliges keeping them in memory when it's free.
>>107570028>every new API that comes out or change that is made to an existing one is always more hostile to the developer than the previous one.yup... I don't know if it's any solace, but it's been this way since android 1.0 haha. there were/are so many low level functions (less nowadays) that even would come with so many "not guaranteed behavior" warnings, and it's been a bit of a hydra ever since.the one thing about iPhone firmware that I like is that even though there will be broken changes released, apple is actually pretty good about long closed alphas that they send out to OEM devs. It's been around 3 years since I've last worked on apple, but we had a least a few months to fix ABI (not API) issues (including pushing upstream back to apple). apple is good about not breaking userspace ABIs but iOS/XNU kernel space stuff does change, though devs at least in my experience get a solid heads up. I worked more closely with google than with apple even, and yet it was still a fucking free for all. breaking changes would just seemingly drop out of the sky. they just dont give a fuck about devs or users.
>>107570087shut the fuck up jeet and stop defending this garbage
>>107570028>from minor to major things, all vendors have all kinds of differences in behavior and feature set in the android version they ship in their phones.yea the amount of points of failure is ridiculous. and it's not even the OEM's fault a lot of the time either because the OEMs are building on top of the quicksand known as AOSP and google is constantly mucking with AOSP
>>107567363Win 11 uses around 3.5GB of ram at idle
