>>107570244
Isn't this a non-profit organisation? Why do they feel the need to chase trends?

>>107570254
Depends which timeline votes I attribute

>>107569491

>>107570284
I controlled f firefox and got no results, not deleting this thread

>>107570254
Only Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit. Mozilla Corporation is the one who owns Firefox, is a for-profit, and use money milked through Firefox for Mozilla Foundation's woke projects.

>>107570244
firefox has to be bad enough to pump up chrome but still survive to make it look like google doesn't have monopoly

>>107570244
>AI Browser
For fucks sake.
This bubble can't pop any sooner.

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>>107570244
browser? ecosystem? AI?
i thought our mission was DEI activism

mozilla is doomed to be managed by cretins forever

Firefox fucking sucks and doesn't work as well as chromium. If I want an alternative I use icecat. I hate that firefox is the default with linux distributions.
Captcha: UGAY
Fuck you gookmoot.

>>107570244
can we somehow force jwz to take back mozilla?
i know he would be against but if i am to dream...

>>107570348
and their staff has fucking huge salaries too

>>107569491

>>107570244
Please Ladybird. Hurry the fuck up with the release.

>>107570244
Firefox has enough forks of it that I am sure somebody will strip the AI out of it, even Mozilla will (or should) include the option of turning it off in the options or preferences or about:config

>>107570619
Do you use f-droid? There are some browsers that are really just custom frontend GUIs for Android system WebView you will know when the browser is only a few hundred kilobites or less than 5 megabites at the most, I use JQuarks or SWeb sometimes

so firefox has the worse engine and now it will be filled with AI slop. what's the point of using this shit even and not go Safari or Chromium?

>>107570555
who else would want to "manage" a controlled opposition non-profit "organization".

>>107572275
They already conceded that their strategy moving forward is going to be full transparency on the use of AI, the how and where, including how to turn it off and ensuring every user is capable of turning it completely off if they want to.

Basically, they're playing the AI bullshit bingo game to mooch investor money, and nothing else.

will it be rust tranny AI?

Anyone have a browser where you ctrl +f and the find box stays open in all tabs until you manually close it?

>>107572835
>how to turn it off and ensuring every user is capable of turning it completely off
yeah I don't trust them anymore

>>107570244
Nah, don't care, will just keep using forks.

>>107570244
He said the WORD!!!

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Not surprising since Mozilla removed their promise of never selling your personal data.
>Does Firefox sell your personal data?
https://archive.is/5Pe2u

I'm still amazed over how shit tech news is since so few people even heard of this the same month it happened.

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I have AI fatigue

I'm using Floorp, quite satisfied with it. I just hope they stay away from AI

>>107574610
Are those paid screen shot softwares any good?
I only use the free ones.

>>107574610
>>107574675
you can literally get perfect screenshots with free AI, it will even crop it for you. don't bother paying for that now.

>>107574610
Same.

>>107570244
Are there any non-bloated browsers that work nowadays?

>>107570244
Welp time to make a servo based browser with Qt bindings, fuck this shit.

>>107570254
CEO's are the biggest dipshits and always want to fit in so the can roll off some supreme smelling bullshit with their buddies.

>>107570244
I AM FUCKING SICK OF AI
SICK OF IT
IT FUCKING SUCKS

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>>107570244
I didn't read the thread but I'm still gonna use Firefox with my custom user.js.

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>>107574822

>>107574675
I use Greenshot and have never had any reason to want more

Waterfox response:
https://www.waterfox.com/blog/no-ai-here-response-to-mozilla/

>>107575186
Well, looks like it's time to finally make the switch

>>107570254
Non-profit just means bankrolled by rich "donors".

>>107575186
Fucking baysed

>>107570254
>nonprofit
not for the CEO lol

>>107575186
So if you’re already using the browser to access multiple cloud AI services, how do you put “AI” into the browser and what does it do?
Does help make it easier to go to, say, chatgpt?
I already have it bookmarked. That’s pretty easy.
I just don’t get it.

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>>107575186
i read this right now, nice article :3

just gotta wait another 3 years for ladybird to be stable

>>107573178
no browser does this, since each tab is sandboxed.

>>107575186
Okay but is it a GOOD browser or is it janky as fuck?

>>107576093
It's literally just Firefox with some about:config changes and no ai shit

Can we replace CSS with AI?

Hear me out: CSS is poop.

>>107576202
does it come with Firefox Color? I quite liked customizing my UI that way

>>107570442
Why does everyone hate AI so much though?
I know it will be a terrible implementation but if they could just do it right then think of the potential time savings.

Imagine you want to buy a concert ticket and instead of constantly refreshing the page and having to navigate the shitty UI you could just have an AI agent sitting in the browser do it for you.

>>107576251
>terrible implementation
there's your answer

>>107576251
How retarded are you that this is needed for you to buy a concert ticket

>>107576286
The point is not are you intelligent enough to do that yourself, it's having an artificially intelligent agent do it for you so you don't have to. You could be asleep in bed with your browser tab open and it'll dutifully work for you.

They'll never implement anything actually useful like that though.

>>107576226
Compile llama.cpp to WASM and then have a model generate the CSS from a prompt.

>>107576251
>Giving AI access to your bank card

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>>107570244
>Time to find a new backup browser
I'm open to suggestions

>>107576335
Is the reason they'll never implement anything useful, yes, because they don't want to be responsible for any oopsies.

A browser that is actually intelligent would be really useful. It will always be artificial though.

>>107576251
>hallucinates
>buys 300 bad dragon dildos instead

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>>107570244
>It will evolve into a shitty AI browser

You literally voted for this last year

>>107576297
It does not take much time to buy a ticket to a concert. There is no use case where I need my browser to do it for me. This example is incredibly stupid, and it's good example of why I dislike AI shills so much. You people create solutions to things that weren't even a problem in the first place, and then you claim you've optimized some mystical convenience out of nothing. It's genuinely retarded. These companies are selling a fucking grift that does little to nothing, and they market it to people who are so fucking retarded that the concept of doing something that takes a minute is suddenly some grand inconvenience for a data center to do for them.

>>107576371
>You people create solutions to things that weren't even a problem in the first place, and then you claim you've optimized some mystical convenience out of nothing. It's genuinely retarded.

Capitalism is the greatest plague in human history.

>>107576419
It's just evolution.

People used to queue outside box offices for tickets and now we buy them online. In the future you will be able to just ask an AI agent to get you tickets and it will go and do it without you having to even lift a finger but it won't be a Mozilla AI to bring about that change.

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>google is evil
>apple is evil (and safari sucks)
>random forks are run by mentally ill retards you can't trust
so what's the alternative? mozilla had a 30 year track record of being good for privacy, fighting evil companies, etc.

>>107570483
What's the reddit frog got to do with that?

>>107570244
yikes lol

What's a good browser for android phones? Firefox has always sucked and I'm not using Chrome or le shill lion.

>>107576565
>shill lion
Now that firefox is almost dead, maybe Brave is good

>>107570244
I kind of want to rip out the brains of all the AI people and torture them for a nested simulated eternity.

>>107576251
because it's a browser
I want to browse the internet, not do ??? with AI slop

>>107576565
Cromite
https://github.com/uazo/cromite

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>>107576500
1. It is not a reddit frog. If you go on reddit you will almost never see such a frog.
2. The frog is always relevant. It's a metameme which has a vast, subsuming cultural relevance.

>>107576631
Browsing the Internet how exactly?
With the original Hypertext and no JavaScript?
The web is forever evolving and your browser will evolve with it whether you like it or not.

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>>107576631

One of the first things the next Democratic president will have to do as soon as he takes office in three years is to literally castrate the ENTIRE AI industry and chain them to pro-human rules.

>>107576658
Vacuous nonsense.
>>107576666
I'm not reading all of that.

>>107570254
Because they're angling to shift to for profit and IPO. How is this not obvious?

>>107576732
I'm not an expert but I don't think Firefox can have an IPO whilst retaining its parentage to the non-profit Mozilla Foundation.

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Only one browser can save us now

>>107576565
try iceraven

>>107576827
Ladybird is probably at least 10 years off.

>>107570244
What the hell does "AI browser" even mean?

>>107576916
>What the hell does "AI browser" even mean?
Nothing
It's just trendy buzzwords

/v/ pls go

>>107576565
I've been using waterfox, seems fine

>>107576251
i'm not sure if this guy is this retarded or it is just bait
>>107576335
also, this

>>107576658
>With the original Hypertext and no JavaScript?
yes. fuck javascript

I will just switch to w3m

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>>107574853
kekaroo

>>107570483
>gif
>is a still image

>>107576251
now imagine 10 thousand persons doing the same thing
you will have to imagine it because no one will own a personal computer anymore

>>107572275
there are like about 15 separated config flags to turn that shit off

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>>107576916
the same as this

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>>107575186
ok satan

>>107574700
>using AI to create screenshots
Yep, this site is filled with bots.

>>107576916
>>107576916
Basically the same thing we have now except now an AI Clippy 2.0 will keep popping up to suggest content for your to consoooooom all the while scraping every last bit of your personal activity on "le web" to either funnel into their own LLM or sell to someone else

>>107577370
>What
Kek, every time.

>>107576827
>>107576836
Why does making a web browser take so long? I remember as a kid there were a lot of choices that had their own browser engines. These days it's all Chromium

>>107575186
Hot damn, I used this long before LibreWolf

besides the upcoming lady bird what browsers are not either chromium based or firefox forks? is safari the only one ?
Ive been on firefox since the dawn of time and would like to try something else, any suggestions ?

>>107577580
you might keep an eye on the servo browser

>>107570244
>use an old portable version from before december
problem solved I guess.

I just noticed if you highlight text and right click it, there's something in the context menu saying "AI Summary chatbot" or something. Is that cause of this guy? How long has that been there?

>>107577476
https://html.spec.whatwg.org/print.pdf
And that's the easy static HTML-only part, you now only have to draw the rest of the fucking owl.

I'm using Vivaldi right now but I'm probably gonna have to switch to something else when ublock origin stops working. Probably Floorp, which is basically an attempt at making Vivaldi with firefox.

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>>107577872
Dang, that's a lot. I guess when I see progress reports with Ladybird passing this many tests, it makes me wonder how it's still not usable as a main browser.

>>107574853
i lol'd, fukken saved

>>107576251
>I know it will be a terrible implementation
So why the fuck even bother? The fact that modern software developers have this mindset is beyond belief. Does no one teach KISS anymore?

>>107570244
test

>>107570348
>Mozilla Foundation's woke projects
name them if they're real (you won't because you're a spiritual nigger)

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>>107575186
mmh

>>107570254
The org is non-profit, but the executives still want a fat paycheck. Same thing with non-profit charities, the people at the top are paid well.

>>107577476
making a browser engine from scratch has to be one of the hardest things a programmer can do

>>107571309
Servo also looks promising
https://servo.org/

>>107577616
>>107578224
>rustware
pass

>>107577801
They started adding them a couple versions back, you can disable it from about:config

"browser.ml.enable", false
"browser.ml.chat.enabled", false
"browser.ml.chat.menu", false
"browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled", false
"browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled", false

>>107570244
Just use Vivaldi if you want no AI and also have basic features like customizing ui and tab stacks.

>>107570244
Yeah i am jumping ship too
Most maintaned fork?

>>107578252
you're in a cult btw

>>107578289
For now, then they will not allow you to disable any AI

>>107576916
AI will suggest you shit 24/7, meaning firefox will scrap yoir data and sell it just as hard as google.
I give them 6 months before they start a war to adblockers like google

>>107576631
They don't want you to browse, they want you to spend more time on buying shit and looking at ads between the summaries your agentic AI is feeding you. Not that it matters anymore, the old internet basically died with Flash. There's nothing to stumble upon anymore with browsing.

>>107578399
TOR Browser/Mullvad Browser is propably a decent choice.

>>107574641

They said this today on Twitter/X

"We deeply respect the philosophy of Mozilla and our users: AI in Floorp should always be optional.

While we prioritize providing the best customizability, any AI features added will strictly remain opt-in. We are not aiming to become a "modern AI browser." Our focus is on maintaining existing features while simply adding more choices for you."

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>>107570244
>biggest competitor to chrome
>all you have to do is be better than chrome
>do everything to be worse than chrome
>at-least-were-private.png
>nope, not anymore
>btw do you want AI? we pinky promise that we won't gather and sell your data *wink wink*
I prefer to have multiple browsers installed. For official accounts I use Firefox but for everyday browsing I'm using Zen. Doesn't make much of a difference but I prefer having things compartmentalized. I'm looking forward to Ladybird, but until then, any other trustable replacements? I know Librewolf had >picrel which according to their codeberg issue tracker was something that slipped through by mistake.

>>107579189
Google, owners of Chromium/Chrome, are the main sponsors of Firefox, right?

>>107570244
https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthonyed/details/experience/

where do they even find these fucking retards?

>>107578310
I will never understand how anyone can withstand Vivaldi.
>proprietary
>bloated to hell and back
>horrendous laggy UI
>half assed adblocker
>manifest v3
>the company has become activist just like Mozilla
>it's just another chromium fork (but worse)

>>107579298
Unfortunately.
Iirc correctly they got money from google for them to counteract the monopoly allegation and to have google as Firefox's default search engine. If Chrome is sold off in the future Firefox might not get shit.
Sucks that we don't live in the world where Firefox can stand on it's own.

To anyone else, regardless of the sentences above how are Waterfox and Floorp?

>>107576251
an AI would never be able to do that. AI can't even parse csv files correctly.

>>107579344
>proprietary
so is windows. and linux despite it being freetard 'open source' shit.
>>bloated to hell and back
>>horrendous laggy UI
not a problem if you don't have a dogshit computer. this browser is for rich folk not poorfags.
>half assed adblocker
retard has never heard of ublock origin
>manifest v3
don't even know if that's true cause ubo works but that's a good thing
>the company has become activist just like Mozilla
who cares? I use it to browse the internet the best. do you care that the food you eat is slaughtered cruelly?
>it's just another chromium fork (but worse)
it's the best chromium fork and chromium is the best (only webkit is better but that's only on mac)

>>107579630
retarded shill

>>107578413
Oh yeah? Which cult is that?

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>>107570244

Can someone please explain what an "AI Browser" is?

>>107579812
Shut up and invest, goy

damn so nobody uses pale moon?

>>107580879
>male poon

I'm just tired of this shit, firefox has a worse engine and now adding even more AI slop. I just went back to chrome, at least the engine is better. I don't give a shit anymore
fuck mozilla. they needed 15 years and an angry youtuber to fix the CSS gradient bug, nice priorities you got the mozilla

>>107576453
Make your own fork.

>>107578019
Sea lioning common knowledge is one of the lowest forms of trolling.

>>107580936
if youre gonna be a chrome cuck at least use brave

>>107581237
I have tried Brave in the past and didn't like it. and since I'm a web shitter I had Chrome already installed only for testing (firefox was my main dev browser). I will just use chrome as my main now and firefox just for testing.

>>107570244
I'm cautiously optimistic about this because he's saying a lot of stupid shit about AI but at least they didn't bring in an Indian CEO.

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>>107576658
>The web is forever evolving and your browser will evolve with it whether you like it or not.

>>107580879
I like PM

>>107579312
Anyone have a screenshot? Security check won't let me see.

>>107574790
I'd be a dipshit if that guaranteed me millions in salary and never needing to interview for an executive position for the rest of my life.

>>107580997
Sealioning is what woke retards say when asked for a shred of proof.

>>107570254
Now is the time to strike, Microsoft is shitting the bed, Google is jeeted, apple is a thing and corpos want sum dat.

>>107579471
>Waterfox
My user experience has been exactly the same as firefox since I switched months ago. If it weren't for the logo, I wouldn't be able to tell the two apart

>>107582795
and why not? you're already being one for free

>>107575186
i don't trust waterfox since they were bought by an ad company, and i think they broke the promise of keeping flash working

>>107570244
go to tor my good sir

Longest death sequence ever.

If ungooged chrome had right click to reopen tab I'd probably just switch to it. Is brave any better the crypto shit kinda put me off

>>107584762
Isn't tor just firefox with a built in proxy server that feds have direct access to so they can listen in on you more easily?

>>107581237
using chrome makes you a normalfag. using brave makes you a homosexual cuck.