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>>107575883cuck license
>>107576540>the jews hate BSDGood enough reason to switch right there.
>>107576617>most of 4chans content is brain dead 17 year olds and israeli scripts copy/pasting the shitposts of the aforementioned 17 year oldsyour point?
>>107575883Is there no BSD user on /g/?
>>107576617Explain how jews can hate permissive license?It is free for anyone to build something on it, sell it and don't share anything.Literally what jews love doing. Taking someone's work, taking credit, selling it and not giving anything back.
>>107578308I must be the only one.I'm OP.
>>107578308BSDs have no use case for most people other than feeling contrarian against Linux.It's only useful for companies that can make use of its cuck license to build their own custom OS on top of it without releasing source code.
>>107578308>>107578427I run a FreeBSD server for websites and mail. Looking to expand to CalDAV some day. I've been considering giving OpenBSD try because it's really sexy but I'm really happy with FreeBSD so far.>>107578448I just like it better. The documentation is really great and the system makes sense.
>>107578418I don't know how, but they do. The evidence is clear.These people believe all kinds of crazy things. You want me to decode them all? No thanks.
>>107579021where is the evidence?give some examples
>>107576617disliking cuckoldry is not jewish thing anonit's common sense
>>107576617lulwut(((Intel Aviv))) used your cuck license shit to build IME (spyware).With cuck licenses, jews win.
>>107575883pufferfish wit da big ass lip
>>107582365Imagine the blowjobs
>>107578418>>107579502jews want you to be distracted with pointless shit like software licences. which is exactly what stallman, a LITERAL (((JEW))), succeeded in doing.code is trivial to copy, easy to write and relatively easy to reverse engineer. you don't need a license for code to be free it just is inherently. even drm'd proprietary software if someone cares enough it will be liberated through cracking or writing equivalent software.GPLtard priorities are ass backwards. software is a relative nonissue, the real issue is hardware. we need more open source hardware.
>>107578308>>107578427wrong, I have been using freebsd and openbsd since before many of /g/ were born>>107578448quite, contrarian against a thing with worse documentation and terrible designtoday, I am setting up an openbsd vm to take over the core functionality (dns, email, wireguard, http) of my freebsd server while it is pulled from the rack and moved to a new colo
Goddamn I miss the BSDs. Maybe one day I'll come back. With the way the Linux kernel and desktop is going it probably won't be long, either.
>>107585194I hate beastie, the fact that the satanic kikes had to pick a devil just shows how it was conceived.But I probably hate normalfag NPCattle gaymergoy all the more. So i'll be looking to switch to FreeBSD sooner or later since loonix has taken a toll because of newfaf "year of the linooox desktop :Ooo" faggots
>>107585230BSD is used to run services internally known as daemons. That's why the mascot is a demon. A daemon.
>>107575883UMADELICIA
>>107575883how it feels to be even less relevant than troonix?
good morning fellow bug chasers
>>107576540the truth is that all licenses are cuck licensesproprietary licenses cuck the usersnon-copyleft free licenses cuck the copyright holdercopyleft free licenses cuck developers who want to incorporate a piece of software into their own and turns them into perpetual indentured servants
>>107575883i'm going to be setting up a VPS to host some services, primarily an httpd, SMTP and IMAP servers, maybe DNSassuming that both security and performance are important to me, should i use DragonflyBSD or OpenBSD?i realize that OpenBSD is probably the most secure by default, but it's quite slow
>>107588592for those usecases performance quite literally doesn't matter, pick whichever you feel like
>>107588592dragonfly is shitrun openbsd
>>107589450>dragonfly is shithow so?>run openbsdthat's what i'm learning towards
>>107575883I'm waiting for the day someone forks one of the BSDs and slaps a copyleft license on it
>>107589635not legal they can poison the codebase with their own additions under a copyleft license, but only the copyright holder can relicense the original code why do you think it is that some GNUtard hasn't already done this? because it's not possible, and most GNUtards are nocoders anyway Stallman hasn't written code in, what, 30 years?he devotes his time to parrot fucking, ineffectual activism, crashing out in Brazil, and defending pedophiles
>>107589678what? doesn't the BSD licenses allow for someone to make the code proprietary? why should it not work the other way around?
>>107589678My friendoAnyone *can* fork BSD/Apache/MIT code and slap on proprietary, GPL, whatever. That's the whole point of it being permissive. It's exactly what happened to Synapse, the Matrix server. It only makes sense to do it when you have enough momentum to shift the actual development into the more restrictive branch. If you're just gonna have two identical codebases with different licences, then there's no point in the more restrictive one to exist, because nobody has to follow the more restrictive terms when more permissive terms exist. There's nothing stopping you treating MIT code as AGPL if you want - you just don't have to.
>>107589882>>107589905non copyleft licenses allow you to incorporate code into projects which you choose to license under copyleft or proprietary licenses but your proprietary or copyleft license only covers YOUR CODEyou cannot relicense the original copyright holder's codethat's not how copyright works
>>107590009You're technically correct, but your point is irrelevant for two reasons:1. Forking a BSD and slapping a copyleft licence on it does not imply changing the licence on the original project - it implies forking the codebase under a more restrictive licence, which is perfectly legal and was Anon's entire point.2. There is no real *need* to change the original licence of the original project, if the intent is to redistribute the code under a more restrictive licence, because the original licence itself does not prohibit this.
>>107589635didn't the HyperbolaBSD guys want to do it then realized how retarded it was and walked back on it?
>>107578308netbsd user here :)
>>107590053and you're technically correct, but relicensing the original code is still not legally enforceableif you take two files from a BSD licensed project and only modify one of them and say "this is now GPL," and someone pulls code from the unmodified file (or any unmodified lines from the changed file) you can say "ooooh, you have to release your changes because this is under GPL now," you can't actually enforce this in court, because all the downstream dev has to do is say "nope, this code is copyright the original developer and is still under the BSD license"you can license any changes you make under a copyleft license, but you cannot relicense the original code; neither copyright law nor the BSD license permits that, you can only GPL license code to which (You) own the copyright
>>107592710Right, and none of this was ever my argument, or the argument of the other Anon who was talking about talking a BSD project and slapping GPL on it. You're essentially arguing with yourself here, beating down a straw man that you have built for yourself.
>>107592828>talking a BSD project and slapping GPL on itand you still can't do thatit's meaningless and unenforceableyou can only license YOUR CHANGES under GPLyou cannot "slap GPL" on BSD licensed code to which you do not own the copyright
>>107592883>talking a BSD project and slapping GPL on it>it's meaningless and unenforceableSo long as the codebases remain identical or so long as you can't prove that the project contained GPL code that was distributed without source. But this was established already in >>107589905 so I don't know why you're still acting like I'm arguing against it. I'm not arguing about what's "meaningfully enforceable", I'm arguing about what's technically (il)legal. There could be even one line of GPL code in a project with thousands of lines of BSD code and if the binary for that project is ever distributed, the source code would still, *technically and legally*, have to be released. So, for the sake of argument, let's go with that.>you can only license YOUR CHANGES under GPL>you cannot "slap GPL" on BSD licensed code to which you do not own the copyrightWhen you create your project, you licence the entire project as a whole. You cannot say "this code only has 1 line of GPL, so I'll only release that one line, but not the 1000 other lines that were originally under BSD because BSD says I don't have to". No. If a project contains GPL, the entire codebase has to comply with the GPL. You cannot claim copyright over the original BSD code and you cannot remove the original BSD licence and copyright notice - that would violate the few terms that the BSD (2 or 3 clause) licence has - but you *can* very much take BSD licenced code and slap GPL code onto it *OR* slap code onto it that you never intend to release as source. You do not need explicit permission from the original copyright owner to do either of those things, or for the original copyright holder to relicence the code for you so you could use it in a GPL project. Literally the entire point.
>>107589464it's the single developer's playgrounddo not expect any kind of support during the process>>107592006hi
>>107578308I run NetBSD on a laptop.
>>107578308Former OpenBSD user here, I still love you guys.
>>107596850I recognize you from the desktop threads.Have you tried the 11 beta?
>yet another BSD thread instantly derailed by licensing baitEvery time.Stop feeding these jews. They're just after your foot cheese.
>LicenseIf I can see your code, it's mine
>>107597259No, I'm still on 10.
>>107599583I didn't notice any improvements compared to version 10. Some necessary pre-compiled packages stopped working, so I reverted to the previous version.
>>107575883is nvidia (3080) and hyprland a no go on freebsd?should i stick to 14.3 for easier nvidia gpu passthrough with bhyve to linux?i'm basically using a mix of two input devices for mouse interactions (keyboard for mouse clicks, trackball for movement). i noticed that these somehow are isolated per device. (at least on Xorg as far as i know). so if i want to drag a window, it won't work with keyboard click + trackball movement, however when i use the trackball native click, it does. can i combine devices down the line, or will this forever be an issue because of 'security'?
>>107600505I have a machine with a 3060 and it works fine, I have even played a couple games on it via steamit appears that is in the ports tree and a package is available: https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/hyprland/someone I know who is into freebsd at a code/developer level said that 14 was the worst version, which is when I learned they hadn't used version 5 (which was far worse)I haven't had issues with 14 but I am reinstalling all my freebsd instances with 15 to get accustomed to the impending pkg base changewhy are you passing through an nvidia card to linux?I can't speak to the mouse question though
can you all please SHUT THE FUCK UP about licenses? here is a more educated thread. >>107566329take example
>>107600940The point of this thread isn't to discuss BSD. The point of this thread is to bottle up discussion of BSD then derail it into discussion about licenses and other shit that doesn't matter. So nothing ever gets done and more people aren't educated on the fact that they have a choice to not continue eating freedesktop's vomit.The fact that>cuck licenseis ALWAYS the first reply should have been your first clue.Well that and the fact that any 'general' thread is always going to be garbage. They should be banned all together. But on every board now you'll see nothing but a sea of generals being flooded by people operating from chat rooms off site. It looks something like this:>Here is the link>I'll post 'cuck license'>I'll copy/paste the reply pretending to be angry>Look some anon posted quick who has mod access what's his IP?>Blast he's got VPN and didn't dox himself for a pass. Quick attempt to bait him into posting a link to his github or something>if he's dumb enough to do that let's harass him>Hey guys here is the link to the other thread we're shitting up make sure to spam it as much as possibleetc. etc. You'll notice that in the thread you linked one of them complained about the BSD discussion being off-topic and a thread hi-jack. That's so if discussion outside of their control happens like that too often they can start mass reporting the posts, get the people posting them banned with the excuse that all future discussion should be directed to the general. Where they already know they have full control.
>>107600505>is nvidia (3080) and hyprland a no go on freebsd?Conversely, if support for Wayland and Nvidia is necessary and indispensable, then FreeBSD is the only alternative.>>107601036I'm OP and you're retarded.>The fact that>>cuck license>is ALWAYS the first reply should have been your first clue.That's true for every BSD thread on /g/. I suggest pressing the left arrow and then selecting "Hide post".
>>107601115>I'm OP and you're retarded.The only retard ITT is the dumb faggot that thinks every last subject needs to be a general. You know what generals turn into yet you post this thread anyway. If you want a discord server to go be a fag in feel free to join the official one ran by the FreeBSD cock lovers association.
>>107600791hmm. well first i had issues with nvidia working at all, the nvidia-kmod had conflicting versions inside (why???...) so i installed the 470 drivers and at least was able to get a normal X+i3 thing going.what nvidia driver are you using and which freebsd version?i've installed the hyprland and adjacent packages but it throws an error. tried sway, just to see wayland working, same thing. can't recall the exact error, it just couldn't find the gpu/display i believe. the nvidia gpu to linux, because i run frigate with gpu encoding.
>>107599743>Some necessary pre-compiled packages stopped workingStuff like that is why I don't really mess around with betas, hopefully any problems get ironed out before the official releae.
>>107601502>i've installed the hyprland and adjacent packages but it throws an error. tried sway, just to see wayland working, same thing. can't recall the exact error, it just couldn't find the gpu/display i believe. Is the seatd service enabled and is your user in the video group? These are the requirements for Wayland in FreeBSD.
>>107601502>what nvidia driver are you using and which freebsd version?it's 14.3 and it's been a moment since I upgraded packages on that machine (I expect to reinstall to 15 this weekend) but I would expect it to behave if I went to the latestnvidia-driver-580.95.05nvidia-drm-61-kmod-580.95.05.1403000_1nvidia-drm-kmod-580.95.05_1nvidia-kmod-580.95.05.1403000>the nvidia gpu to linux, because i run frigate with gpu encoding.so you have 2 gpus and aim to use one as a desktop and passthrough the other to a vm ... a weird combination on a single machine but ok
>>107575883I don't use BSD, but that pic looks sick. Comfy af.
>>107605254i wasn't aware that bhyve would take exclusive ownership of the gpu, i though it would be a more on demand thing like cpu/memory.Linuxulator frigate is probably a better idea. if that won't work my whole bsd endeavor is useless.>>107604892seatd is enabled.dbus is enabled.set the hw.nvidiadrm.modeset="1"let me switch, then i can see the actual errors.
