Why did monitor tech get so bad in the past 5 years? I wanted to treat myself and consoom a little and it's just companies selling OLED slop or overpriced IPS. MiniLED are sparse and are all chinkshit and almost as expensive as a decent OLED.>So it's either, pay $200-$300 for old inferior but functional IPS tech>$400-$500 for MiniLED and deal with haloing, IPS glow or VA smearing>$500-$1000 for OLED and deal with burn in, text fringing and flickering
>>107592604I've been using the same two alienware 27 inch 1080p IPS 240hz monitors for like 6 years now. I spent like $1000 dollars on that 49inch wrap around super ultrawide display and I ended up just returning it. All new monitor technology just feels like they are chasing a gimmick.
>>107592604need the source to that image. no, reverse image search didn't work
>>107592604Just buy a $150 180hz 1440p ips
>>107592604>Why did monitor tech get so bad in the past 5 years?what the fuck are you on aboutoled is a return to the baseline established by crtsflatscreens fucking sucked until that 5 year mark and miniled is a direct upgrade to solid backlights
I'm still using my VG248QE. There are no 24" OLED displays so I will simply stick with this until it dies.
>>107592803>Flickers >Smears>Text is blurry Okay goy
>>107592892>vrr is a meme>only oled phones smear and it's exclusively at low brightness>if you can see text fringing your fonts are too small regardless
>>107592756https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12423473
>>107592604Just stick with standard IPS until micro LED becomes available in a few years, it's good enough for now. OLED is meme tech with literal planned obsolescence, and I will never understand why regular people shill for it so much.
>>107592762Aka Q27G3XMN.
>>107593018by the time microleds will even be available they'll still be expensive as shit while you'll be able to get durable oleds for a fraction of the pricewhy settle with a shittier monitor now? you're not going to get your time back
>>107593062>durableStill meme tech I can turn on an IPS or a TN monitor I regularly used 10+ years ago and they'll both still look as good as the day I bought them. An OLED will inevitably be burnt out to some degree by the 10 year mark, regardless of how many babying settings they put into them now.
>>107593111so? what's the point of saving on a monitor? your eyes can only deteriorate and you're valuing saving what accumulates to basically nothing over your entire life over having a better experience for years until microleds are a thing and they'll STILL be expensive as fuck with how much headstart oled has
>>107593023If you can afford it sure
>>107592604>Overpriced IPSIf you buy cheap ips then you will get dogshit monitor. That is the reason why people hate on IPS displays.Just buy a normal one instead of chink special IPS with 50% srgb color accuracy and IPS glow bigger than the screen itself.Just buy a fucking acer faggot.avoid dell, alienware and samsung.DO NOT buy VA or TN. I REPEAT: DO NOT BUY THIS GARBAGE.
>>107593018MicroLED is cool and all, but honestly I don't see a point in buying anything other than a good IPS LED for gaming. OLED is basically only for movies.
>>107593512you got that reversedoled for vidya, any led or miniled ips for everything else where motion clarity doesn't matter
>>107592604I hate that there is no high dpi monitor options that make sense for work and gaming. 5K is only 60hz, no OLED options. We have great panels on phones, laptops, but nothing good on desktop side.
>>107592738>27 inch 1080pretard
>>107592931>vrr is a memebiggest cope ever
>>107593657stop playing at "cinematic" framerates consolecuck120 should be your floor
It's literally TN, VA and IPS all over again. IPS is now TN. Reliable, but cheap and seen as deprecated.Mini-LED is VA. That weird middle child that isn't quite great but good.OLED is IPS. The new "standard" but has issues
>>107593680>you don't need vrr at high frame ratessure, enjoy your shitty frame pacing and input lag then.
>>107593700miniled is literally va/ips with better backlight
>>107592604I can tell you haven't been fucking with PCs very long or have been under a rock.Monitor market is fantastic right now>OLEDs set a price ceiling for high end monitors (~$1200 as opposed to ~$2500)>china has a stranglehold on LCD production pushing LCD prices down.>high refresh is everywhere>4k is dirt cheap if you want itI remember paying $180 for a 27" 1080p 60Hz VA monitor quite a few years agoNow you can get a 27" IPS panel that is 1440p and 180hz for $160.How monitors are considered expensive l have no clue. It's literally never been better.
>>107593735>Now you can get a 27" IPS panel that is 1440p and 180hz for $160.>Same resolution as on imac from 2011 with worse colors
>>107593760You'll never be satisfied unless it's free right?
>>107593706lolmade me try it againmemealso there's no flicker even when i set it down to 10 fpsget owned idiot
>>107593784Actually I don't really care about cost. I want 4k 24" or 5k 27" OLED. It seems that resolution stopped improving around 2017.
>>107593712hes not being literal
>>107593998the classifications were still wrong to begin withTN was the gamer option and now ANUS came out with an OLED that does 720hz at 720p, perfect for all the csgo niggers that get sponsored by zowieVA is entry level shit for office and media uses and it still will be in that position but now with a better backlightIPS continues to be the best all rounder and it benefits the most from unfucking the backlight as the bleed issues were legendary
>>107592604miniled will never be a thing. stop wishing for it.
>>107594044they'll eventually funnel down to consumer level but they'll be vastly more expensive than oled which by that point will be 1000x folded nippon steel that will last a decade for 1/10th of the price
>>107593735Yeah some people are silly. In 2016 you had to spend $700+ for a 27" 1440p 165hz monitor, now even after 9 years of inflation you can get that for under $200. I got 4K 144hz last year for $500 and it's lower now or comes with dual modes.
desu all monitors are so good now you can just pick up a $10 used monitor and be fine
>>107592604>in the past 5 years?>in the past 5 years?>in the past 5 years?>in the past 5 years?>in the past 5 years?They never recovered from the peak aperture grille tech of the late 90s
REMINDEROLEDs have 10x worse motion clarity than CRTs due to sample&hold motion blur
>>107594197motion clarity is limited by the framerate more than monitor tech
>>107594205Only on sample&hold displays. CRTs, regradless of refresh rate, look equal to a 4000hz OLED in linear motion. A CRT will always be perfectly clear regardless of refresh rate.
>>107594217you don't see in screenshots dumbass
>>107594222Precisely! That's why modern OLEDs are still so blurry. Your eye, when in motion tracking objects, will see the frame blurred since it's stationary for eg 16ms @ 60hz.A cathode ray tube on the other hand, due it's incredibly short frame persistence, effectively acts as a shutter for your eyes, letting you see the frame realistically clear, avoiding the whole blur issue. It works so well it can create unrealistically clear phantom arrays of things in some circumstances.
>>107594247i don't care, i have a 500hz oled and 120fps is the bare minimum for meif i wanted to i could enable crtroon shaders
>>107594260Too bad all 2D games are 60hz. You'll never see how clear and good they truly can look.
>>107594247I’m sure you’ve used OLEDs and been so bothered by the motion clarity you swore them off. And that you’re not just jobless and coping by shitting on something you’ve never had
>>107594274Yes I own a 120hz OLED and the motion is indeed pathetic compared to a CRT, barely any better than on any LCD gaming monitor.
>>107593610Are you fucking high or something?>Motion clarityBuy a high refresh rate monitor.When I compare my phone oled screen to my pc IPS monitor, it looks the same in every way.Try using a good IPS monitor instead of shitting on technology because your dollar store TN monitor was dogshit.Applefags do the same shit when telling everyone how shitty android is.
>>107594315>>107593610>>107594274Consider this map, on a 60hz display.https://testufo.com/photo#photo=toronto-map.png&pps=480&stuttersize=0On an IPS, you might be able to read the text at like 360px/s. On an OLED, maybe just about still at 480px/s. On a CRT, you can see read it clearly at 3,840 px/s, faster if your eyes could actually lock on the motion fast enough. OLED fags shitting on LCD motion clarity are the most hilarious breed of uninformed consumerist retards on /g/. You're both sad and pathetic, a literal order of magnitude below what was the standard 25 years ago.
>>107594315trouble reading?i said that if you don't want to play games then oled doesn't matter since that extra motion clarity does nothing
>>107594280Yeah retard, your steam deck doesn’t count lol. They don’t even make OLED monitors below like 240hz.Stick to your CRT then, if you only play shmups and retro platformers. Genuinely the only logical explanation. I have a CRT for those purposes too. But most people play other stuff on PC too, and you’re just trolling if you claim an OLED isn’t superior for a lot of it.I will admit that I wouldn’t pick an OLED for office work, but that’s not what we’re talking about
why on earth would OP use a cropped hentai picture on his thread?
>>107594351120hz has been be standard refresh for OLED TVs for like half a decade at least
>>107594349somehow i can doubt you can read it at that speedsure, i can see it if i slow it down to 60 but i can't read itand you do realise that higher refresh rates make text harder to read due to all that extra information blurring itthat's a retarded flex regardless, picking the shittiest of use cases to extol the virtues of your dead tech
>>107594349Yeah, that display in your pic is really orders of magnitude better than modern OLEDs displays. Lol. You’re really just twisting logic here to deny reality. We could pick apart CRTs specific ghosting patterns, decay flaws and claim they’re worse that way. It’s just stupid.At the end of the day, if I put the two monitors next to each other, and you pointed and claimed the Macintosh looks better, I would have to call you a lying cocksucker
>>107594415>and you do realise that higher refresh rates make text harder to read due to all that extra information blurring itThat's entirely wrong, on LCD and OLED panels the text gets linearly clearer the higher you can refresh. The usual rule is that it still stays unreadable at around 10x your fresh rate. So a 60hz, 600px/s is where it's guaranteed to be unreadable, 120hz that limit is 1200px/s.
>>107594418That's just a funny picture to post on image boards newfag. I own the best Trinitron they ever made.
>>107594366We’re talking about computer monitors in this thread, for your PC, you fucking dumbass. Not televisions for retro gaming and movie watching. Jfc
>>107594349on my va I need 120px/s to be able to even somewhat read the text but actual 60px/s is needed for a clear textVA, not even once.
>>107594415>picking the shittiest of use cases to extol the virtues of your dead tech>objective benchmark of motion clarity is "shittiest of use cases"I swear man this board is absolutely full of 60iq /v/ troglodytes that don't understand what the purpose of a benchmark is
>>107594439>don't trust your lying eyesnigger i have toggled it between 500 and 60 and frame persistency is so short that you can't even pick out individual letters on 500 while i can at 60quit talking out of your ass
>>107594490Are we talking about refresh rate or the scroll speed of the map? Because you said refresh rate.
>>107594487>objective It's going so fast it's literally incomprehensible >>107594501refresh rate spergat 3840 speed those extra frames are a hindrance if you had to memorise an object would you rather have 4 still frames of it that you can't pause or 500
>>107594538Yeah well you're not using a CRT are you? That was the whole point. >if you had to memorise an object would you rather have 4 still frames of it that you can't pause or 500A rather typical CRT has a resolution of 1600x1200. So a picture moving at 3840px/s is on screen for 1600/3840 = 0.416 seconds, and in 0.416 seconds you get 60 * 0.416 = 24 frames. That's plenty of time and plenty of frames for you catch a decent glimpse of something, assuming those frames are 100% clear like they are on a CRT.And mind you there's CRTs that have even higher resolutions, on them the frame will be visible for even longer.
>>107594578can you even pass your own test? can you actually read the text at 3840 speed and not just catch a glimpse of individual letters?you can argue your niche case of reading fast moving text at low refresh rates all you want but it's a niche nobody fucking needs
>>107594632Most don't letter-by-letter, if you can lock on your sight on the map you'll be able to recognize words. I did bit underestimate how difficult it is at 1600x1200p, 1920x1440 is where it's just about doable.> but it's a niche nobody fucking needsIf you can't understand how picture clarity so good you can read text at these kinds of speeds generalizes to a massive overall picture quality improvement in games ... I'm sorry for you
>>107594698>if you move literally the entire width of your screen every single second on a low resolution and low refresh rate crt wins!!!i can use crtroon shaders any time i want
>>107594757My Trinitron looks like a modern OLED panel there's no "shader" to it>if you move literally the entire width of your screen every single second on a low resolution and low refresh rate crt wins!!!Didn't most of the thread say it becomes unreadable at like even 120px/s? That's a lot slower than even Terraria walking speed.
Even if you have a 5090 there's a 45% chance you won't be able to hit 144hz even on 1440p naively
>>107594777who the fuck said thatat 500hz i can read the blue text moving at 2400, any higher and it moves too fast to focus on beyond glimpsing individual letters and the high framerate starts hurting visibilitythat's a biology issue, not an oled issue
>>107594777oh andhttps://testufo.com/crtit's literally that simple to replicate your tech, lower refresh rates look better just like it would on a crt
>>107594832Sad that you can't match a 60hz crt with a 500hz OLED, but not at all unexpected>>107594855Software BFI doesn't get anywhere closeAlso enjoy the 40 nits
>>107594903again, any faster and higher refresh rates become easier to read due to receiving too much information aka it helps your nonexistent retarded use case of reading text at super speed>Software BFI doesn't get anywhere closei watched a video of a crtroon saying it's basically the same so i don't care for your sour grapesalso i don't live in hyderabad so i can afford to make my room suitable for dark displays
>>107592762This. It's currently the most rational decision to make.
>>107593657>>107593706Unintelligent anonEnjoy your shitty gamma lowering as framerate tanks, also VRR add input latency>>107592888>awful tn with dead pixels and awful color accuracyStop being a masochist>>107593643You clearly have never played a VN or any 2D game
just get one of the million used LCD shitpanels they are all the sameOLED is the only true improvement
>>107595043>You clearly have never played a VN or any 2D gameWhy would you need less resolution for a game where you read text?
>>107594349I can read it at 480px/s on my IPS.I can read it at 600px/s but it's slightly harder.I cannot read it at 720px/sIf I set up my monitor for moving clarity then I should easily read at 720px/s
>>107594315>>107596452I checked it and with VRB I can read at 1920px/s but my eyes cannot follow at higher speedsKys nigger
>OLED HAS THE BEST GAMING PERFORMANCE Then why don't pros use it? Riddle me this OLEDfags
>>107596520sponsored by zowiethere's literally a 720p 720hz oled out right now that irrevocably btfos even the best tn shitbox
>>107592756kys troon
>Yeah I use OLED, how'd you know?
>>107597435>yeah i frequent reddit and misconstrue image retention after having the screen on for 2 days as burn in because i can't afford oled, how do you know?
>>107592604Basically, to get you to buy more more often. VRR is a poorly implemented technology, so you really have two choices:Invest heavily into this technology with a $700+ monitor or buy a cheap $200 monitor.With either option you're getting flawed tech that will make marginal improvements over the next few years. The heavy investors won't check for a few years, unless theres a huge leap, but its a nice $700 chunk. The cheapie poors are the ones that will sustain the manufacturer's business model of year after year purchases. Alll this eventually will disappear once they figure out subscription based performance features like VRR 3.7, AMD Local Dimming Plus, or whatever else these whores want to lock behind an internet connection and sub.
>>107592604>Why did monitor tech get so bad in the past 5 years?What do you mean? OLED has gotten actually cheaper and with plenty of options for the average tard. >>$500-$1000 for OLED and deal with burn in, text fringing and flickeringTruly said like someone never actually used OLEDs and just believes memes parroted by others.
