Karl Marx is:From each according to his abilityTo Each according to his need + the command for a centralized worker's state thats suppose to nationalize all industries and eventually collapse into a workers utopia. Lore of primitive communism -> slaverly -> feudalism -> capitalism -> state centralized sociallism -> communism being a linear path in history. Daily life is seen as an epic battle of good workers vs evil capitalist. Which gets "workers" and "capitalist" get searched and replaced with "gay" vs "straight" "black vs "white" "women" vs "patriarchy" "trans" vs "gender conforming" - the timeless epic battle gets readapted.FOSS is:Those with abilites make software for hobbies, personal gain, and passion. Those with needs get whats avalible but are not entitled to the able'ds laborNeeds are meet because the abled person's passion project coincidentatly helped others. here is no state agency commanding those with needs receive software it just happens through spontaneous order.+ advocacy for FOSS focuses heavily on digital decentralized and not being interdependent on big tech, no lore of an epic battle, utopia, or model that captures all of human history but there is an us vs them against big tech to be fair.Gay straight, trans, black, white just get along and develop cool software. What do you guys think, am I right or wrong about FOSS and communism because it doesn't fit ?
the logic goes something like>communism = get stuff for free, also i don't like it>foss = give away stuff for free, also i don't like it>therefore foss = communismyou're thinking about it way more deeply than people who actually make that comparison
Many transbians on Mastodon that sincerly love FOSS also have sickle and hammer emojis in their profile.They aren't aware of the 65-70 million innocents dead by communist regimes, even if you exclude natural famines and nazi and tsar deathsIts so silly to see people on fedi swear alleginace to Marx. I was thinking about posting all of Marx's quotes about centralizing power, a dictorial state and authorianism as a way to detur Mastodon users from supporting him. Most of these people who post about him and FOSS being aligned are clueless college students that just want to identify with radical politics and they get off to the guy who has an epic us against them story
>>107592788Not communism, but socialism.>FOSS is:The programmers (workers) must control their software (means of production).Best argument otherwise would be that FOSS talks about licensing instead of ownership which weakens the statement.
>>107594889>65-70 million innocents dead by communist regimes, even if you exclude natural famines and nazi and tsar deathsWhat? But that is impossible
Marx and Proudhon both said "Property is theft" but they meant two different thingsMarx meant any wealth generated by labor that is not universally accessible to everyone; which includes a small buisness owner's occupied coffee shop. Marx thinks everyone has the mandated right to free coffee there, from haves to have nots)Proudhon, who coined [italics]property is theft[/italics] meant patents, absentee ownership, absentee landlordism, protectionism/cronyism, and wealth aquired outside of labor. Proudhon would have had no problem with the coffee shop even if it wasn't a worker co-op. He would insist the coffee shop owner temporarily own the place of buisness and not a land lord, though to disapoint AnCaps he would have drawn the line at owning more then one coffee shop. (occupancy and use)Marx wanted workers to seize the means of production with violence and build an all powerful GovernmentProudhon wanted to build an alternative system from the ground up where workers own their own means of production. Focusing on both markets and communal mutual aidMarx was fueled by his own epic novel story of us vs them that takes place throughout all of human history. That's why he keeps getting readapted because the epic story of good vs evil narrative gives simple minded people a sense of meaningProudhon was making a cold analysis of injustices of the ruling class spotting economic priveldge that Tucker and Spooner later disected and confronted. Many of his arguments live in today with libertarians critiquing crony capitalism and occupy wallstreet critiquing land lordism. Though they split into a left and a right when they should be unified as one coherrent ideology.FOSS uses voluntary contracts like the GPL3 anyone can enter or leave at any time, FOSS critiques the Government's patent mopoly and peacefully builds alternative systems, small buisness owners can power their companies with it. I wonder what side FOSS is really on?
Because its something thatd get a boost from that. Open source makes sacrifices under capitalism.
>>107592788The problem is, and what you're missing is, that people conflate the GPL with FOSS.
>>107595374beaver, marx doesnt really explain shit on how to get to communism, he basically wrote a ton of ultradetailed criquites of captialism, about what had potential revolutionary and predicted tons of shit, but died before he even finished the capital. you are repeating really common made up shit about him.also he fucking rejected the good vs bad narrative, even if you are more of an anarchist like me his analysis are very insightfulalso there is not such thing as a right libertarian, they are always authoritarian when it comes about propertyman you inform yourself in memes, read some books. and i recommend that to everyone, the political discourse level is going to shit
>>107592788Marx thought the state would eventually collapse and was an instrument of oppression used by classes. The state exist to protect capitalists today but you'd go through some stage where the workers would take control from capitalists and use it to oppress them until it was no longer necessary. Liberals think government exist to enforce natural laws or rights and if governments oppress anyone it's because of a tyrannical deformation of what governments should do.>Those with needs get whats avalible but are not entitled to the able'ds labor>Needs are meet because the abled person's passion project coincidentatly helped others.End product is free for use by those with the need. Why you produce something is irrelevant. If it's some notion of pure charity or ego projection isn't really relevant to whoever is using the product. With FOSS you don't have control of who or how the end product is used in the way it's normally controlled under capitalism so that's the parallel. Say a socialist state insisted all software be open source and abolish ability to monetarily profit off software. That would be how things would work essentially. You'd get a mass exodus of techbros, you'd kill and murder all techbros on the way out or they have no choice and stay and work on hobby projects all day without a six figure income.
>>107595374>FOSS uses voluntary contracts like the GPL3 anyone can enter or leave at any time, FOSS critiques the Government's patent mopoly and peacefully builds alternative systems, small buisness owners can power their companies with it. I wonder what side FOSS is really on?And they accept and recognize capitalist rights, don't directly attack and try to dismantle big tech and end up being minority players in a capitalist hellscape
>>107592788Because in its core its an altruism based ideology.The result of it is that some people feel entitled to the givs and demand from you to work for free.No problem anon you always learn something new.
>>107592788>Why do some people compare FOSS to Marx/communismThey're retards. Next question.
