How bad would a modern phone camera be if it didn't have a bump?Can it even be done?
Sure. A phone with no camera.Question is why they won't make one.Interesting!
>>107595967Watch any normie phone review. It's 90% comparing the camera to other phones'.
New must be better than old, so bump will always be better than no bump, their hands are tied
>>107595967Would have to be an ultrawide if you want a thin camera but with a large sensor.
>>107595967htc dream had a little hole. using it was truly a dream. like using any hole is really.
behold
>>107596029You know, it sure was pretty.
>>107595967>phone manufacturers bitching about the 3.5mm plug making phones needlessly thick>it was actually the camera all this timeI'm sure they'll blame the battery next when these excuses stop working.
>>107596098The USB-C port is already too thick for the new generation of tri-folds.Samsung had to make the panel that holds the port thicker than the other two.Honestly I never transfer data from the port, I only use it for charging. I wouldn't mind a much thinner magsafe style charger instead.
>>107595967>lust provoking image>time wasting question
pretty bad, i don't miss the flush cameras, they always got dust in on my iphone 4 and 5
>>107595967>How bad would a modern phone camera be if it didn't have a bump?Flagship phones use periscope designs to 'cheat' with longer focal lengths. But even if you kept it to a shorter focal length (think 22mm equivalent) you'd still have to contend with the physical limitations of optics. See picrel.Problem is that people expect subsequent phones to have greater zoom capabilities and higher resolution imaging. You can fake zoom by cropping in on a higher resolution sensor but those sensors require more space (which then requires additional distance between the lens elements and the sensor which requires even more space). Option 1: Take the thinnest portion of the iphone air and make that flush across the entire phone. Cramming all of the logic boards into a super-thin of a section is probably possible in a few years with subsequent die shrinks but then you'd be removing large portions of the battery. And that's before you reconfigure physics to fit a lens stack in there. You could probably do it with a really shitty basic lens system, but heat dissipation would become a huge issue with components in such a thin space.Option 2: Take the middle 'bump' from the iphone air and make that flush. Overall phone will be thicker but there won't be a lens bump. You'd still run into issues with cramming telephoto lenses in (even with periscopes) but you could probably get a semi-decent wide angle in there. This could likely be done today. But then this imaginary phone is now thicker than the iphone air and would be DOA for being thicker than the previous phone with a shittier camera (but better battery life). Theoretical far-future Option 3: After die shrinks + battery density increases, cram a relatively low-res sensor in with a wideangle lens. Have phone take burst of photos, run it through a number of proprietary AI-upscalers, generate a telephoto equivalent based on that data, and somehow do it in a way that takes less than a second.
>>107595967yes, you could put a bigger battery and make it flatlike what is the fucking point of absurdly slim phones if then everyone uses a case thick enough to protect those cameras?
>>107596029For fun, here's the 4s scaled next to the air. If Apple wasn't obsessed with inventing The Thinnest iPhone Ever! they probably could've had a sweet flush phone partway between these two.
>>107596288Making it flush with battery to the thickest point adds more weight than you might think.>pfft but I'm not a weak bitch I'm not afraid of a heavy phoneSure but the larger the phone is the more unwieldly it becomes. Most people don't want a phone the depth and weight of a 20000mAh battery brick. I have a brick that's about the same footprint as my phone but much thicker and it'd be miserable to use.Applel went with the segmented design on the air because from the user's perspective, the part they're actively holding is the thinnest part. I'm sure they did a ton of user testing with various thicknesses and preferences before arriving at the design they went with.Sometimes comfortable designs look retarded.
>>107596422how about not making the screen that big? they are fucking phabletsand thinner is not more comfortable, again people add big cases, its the weight the problem
i've seen macfag cope before but this is a new level this is qualcomm no bro Snapdragon Elite Gen 9000 AI Strix is gonna be great levels of cope
>>107595967they do this on purpose so you cant put your phone on flat surface without scratching it or buying faggy case
>>107596454Don't necessarily disagree but I'm some someone from marketing ran numbers on the number of people willing to buy a smaller phone. They discontinued the iphone mini because of poor sales and that was a somewhat flush phone with a less pronounced camera bump.>>107596547apple doesn't really push their cases hard, it's always 3rd party that pushes the cases. And apple gets $0 from most of the third party case salesmen. So it's not that.
>>107596258listen to yourself defending garbage design. absolute cooksucker
>>107596387>they probably could've had a sweet flush phone partway between these twoThe iPhone 6s?
>>107596106>The USB-C port is already too thick for the new generation of tri-folds.You know what that means. Mandatory wireless charging!
>>107595967Make the rest of the phone 1/8th inch thicker to match the camera.
>>107596258clown option: Network with nearby phones to share cameras and composite the image together from them similar to how telescope arrays work.Shitposts aside, I'm honestly somewhat surprised that they don't put sensors on two bands further apart. I suppose it's only a matter of time until a phone shaped like a dog bone becomes a thing. It's the only "real" way to cheat the physics.
>>107597789you are fucking fried if you think anything I said was in defense of apple's decisions. But like most outspoken angry retards post-2016 on 4chan you're here to vent your frustrations because something negative happened in your dogshit life and this is your coping mechanism.
>>107595967you wouldn't have periscope lens. or good sensors. basically, what >>107596258 says.
>>107596029CAN WE PLEASE GO BACK
>>107598222>I suppose it's only a matter of time until a phone shaped like a dog bone becomes a thingafter the iPhone we'll have the Iphoneread this post in a serifed font
>>107595967>How bad would a modern phone camera be if it didn't have a bump?No different if they just made the battery bigger like everybody has been asking for.But hey, they could always just cheap out on the optics and use AI to fill in the missing details! Everybody likes AI, right?
>even the phones have bulges now
>>107595967I still have no idea what is the point on focusing on imaginary camera quality on a smartphone>upload pic to instagram, discord, facebook, twitter, tumblr, reddit, literaly any fucking website>the pic gets completely raped with artifacts and resized to whatever the fuck size and converted to .jpg and/or .webp>other sites just don't even allow you to upload shit past X filesize
>>107604097The stills can't compare to a dedicated camera but the video is actually pretty great on phones. And it's nice to always have a camera on me (my mirrorless is large enough that I don't always have it on me). Social media may rape image quality but the base files are nice to have and I take photos for my own memories and satisfaction, not to post on social media. So I'll always be happy to see camera improvements in phones, but it's not my #1 driver for an upgrade. As for why companies focus on it: it's the flashiest and easiest way to get normies excited. It's a proven strategy and goes hand-in-hand with the corporate-mandated narcissism that's been flooding the zeitgeist for the last 25+ years.
>>107595967I think the camera on pic related is good enough.
>>107604097Not everyone takes pictures exclusively to share on social media. Even if you do want to share it, and you want to preserve the source quality, ordinary file hosts will still serve the original file.I'd prefer a DSLR of course but I don't always keep that on me just in case something I want to photograph happens on short notice.
>>107604097>a subset of sites don't allow source quality so convenient good cameras shouldn't exist
>>107595967Just give me more battery jesus fucking christI dont know a goddamn person who actually wants a thinner phone literally all the people i know keep demanding more battery
>>107604777Anon is talking about the normie usecase
>>107604788This
>>107604788use your phone less. I haven't run out of battery power on my phone during the day in the last 2 generations of my phone. Curiously this seems to be an issue that only affects minorities since they're glued to their phones 16 hours a day.
>>107596678the last iphone minis were announced way past the others to sell more of the normal versions, the people i know that would ahve bought it bought already the regular iphone as they tough threw ere not going to be an iphone mini
>>107604097they also dont work without severe post procesing as the pixels are way smaller than the difraction limits allows
>>107595967I hate thin phones. they are uncomfortable to hold.I put a thick case on mine lined with a thermal pad to make it thicker and better and transferring heat cause modern phones are overpowered and have no cooling.
>>107595967Very bad.Any decent lens takes up space, you can't cheat optics.
why can't they make them without cameras? I don't need a camera
>>107602802kek. I didn't even consider capitalizing the I.
>>107604788This or make it more repairable with the extra space. Ideally both.
>>107605739cameras are cool if you live in a place that isn't depressing as fuck. gotta document the beauty of the world around you anon
>>107596098In past there were phones, which were thinner than 6mm and still had audio jack. In fact , one as as thick as 4.8mm.And needless to say 3.5mm would get in your way if you were to measure thickness at thinnest point. That would be fine when you had a camera or two protruding slightly not with those islands and peninsulas we have currently.https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_x5max-pictures-6865.phphttps://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a8-7249.phphttps://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nThicknessMax=6&chk35mm=selected
