Those RAM sticks you were looking at has now gone up from $300 to $3000? Who cares, just buy it. Why save? In 2026, AI is going to make you super wealthy like Elon Musk, so there's no need to save.Buy what you want, right NOW!Especially if you're eyeing a Tesla.
>>107599646Will it be before or after he puts a man on Mars?
>>107599646>The biggest clown retard says somethingLmao. Do retards still listen to this hack?
>In 2026, AI is going to make you super wealthyHow so?
>>107599732uhhhh because AGI will enable post-scarcity society... somehow
>>107599646Even the most optimistic retards believe AGI or at least AI that benefits the economy is 2 years from now absolute MINIMUM.But assuming Elon isn’t lying here and you actually take him seriously let me explain why you are wrong. All these billionaires talking about UBI as something real assume GDP will go up because of AI. I think that will not happen, in fact the exact opposite will happen. AI replaced human labour with significantly cheaper alternative. If you want to design new toothbrush and you get AI to design it that is money you saved, your company can now save some money per toothbrush and maybe you decrease the price a little bit, but your increased profits will not necessarily result in increased production because you have not increased demand for toothbrushes. You also eliminated a job which decreases both the gdp and makes one more person who hypothetically can’t afford toothbrush from you. So AI made you save tiny bit of money to the business owner while decreasing gdp and consumer demand. Extrapolate that to the wider economy and you find out what the economy will look like once AI can do more then make slop pics/videos and automate junior programmers/copywriters. It will result in a financial crisis, a stagflation with no way out unless the people being affected the least will foot the bill for UBI or some alternative (they will fight to prevent that).
>>107599646>worse car manufacturer 2025I take two please !!!
>>107599756Also forgot to mention the most common rebuttal.>But what if people just upskill and we create greater production, making us all richer1. The jobs automated are not bottleneck jobs. You know, stuff that if you increase in supply all of us get richer. Tbh I don’t know if these days there are any bottleneck jobs, like for example our rate of mining oil or mining minerals is not limited by the amount of petro engineers, it’s limited by the amount of land available for mining and energy. And likewise the amount of energy is not capped by the amount of electrical engineers, so increased production is likely out of question, this isn’t like industrial revolution when 90% of people had to do farming.2. Upskilling to what? What is the job that will remain, and how much proof for that you have? If you say trades then I want to remind you that few days ago Google released Gemini live that was giving some random guy instructions on how to change oil. It’s not much, but it could very easily just turn into something that allows everyone to do their own plumbing, and then require plumber to just operate specialised equipment and do the most gross stuff. We genuinely also thought coders would be one of the last people to be replaced before ChatGPT showed up. You can’t predict this shit and when change in nature happens too fast organisms don’t adapt, they go extinct and cause mass extinctions, same goes for the job market.
>>107599646mfw i am now a billionaire but i cant pay anyone to do anything because they're all also billionaires
>>107600053That’s because he is talking about (((singularity))), anyone you will ever have to pay to will be a robot or a human hobbyist offering special human service.
>>107599646Oh fuck. If he is telling so, we better to prepare for hunger games
>>107599739whew, I was afraid for a moment that AI would contribute to scarcity by competing for limited resources! Glad that's not going to happen
>>107599756There's this strangely common narrative that businesses create jobsThey do notDemand creates jobsBut that idea creates the reasoning that>business + more money = more jobs!Which is something that has been repeatedly proven wrong for decades nowThe money never trickled down, the ones at the top just pocketed it all
>Satanic jew wants you to be destitute so he can rent you everythingIf savings don't matter why is he holding on to all his tesla and spacex stock?
>>107600250Because the uber rich don't report income as to avoid income tax, they just take out interest free loans and use their stocks as collateralThis is the money they use to pay bills and such
>>107599732Its already made me wealthy by allowing me to create high quality videos, audios, and text. Its allowed me to have all the wealth I want from those forms of medium. It will further enable more content creation so no longer would people have to depend on hollywood propaganda for their slop, but on your pure imagination. Only thing left is material/physical needs. Transportation, food, housing, medical. If they begin to flood the system with more robots in these roles, the access becomes more and more. Thats wealth in real value. AI wont solve human envy of others, but it will solve the material necessity
>>107599732Just ask AI how to become super wealthy, duh
>>107600474show us your super high quality videos and text anon
>>107600487I did this and it generated powerball numbers and I won
>>107599646What frustrates me is that the video game and general consumer computing industry is extremely profitable, with strong, consistent demand. It just feels like a huge multibillion dollar opportunity just opened up for whoever can ramp up production enough to service non-AI related RAM demands. This is the kind of move Warren Buffet would support, the slow and steady path.
>>107600508Is making RAM that difficult? I'm a hardware retard so I couldn't say.
>>107600497https://civitai.com/videos?tags=111991&view=feed
>>107600513Making ICs is that difficult, yes. It's not a market you can get into in a matter of months. It takes extremely expensive equipment, extremely competent engineers and extremely secret propertiary knowledge to compete
>>107600513(samefagging chain of thought)The argument here would be that big tech with its AI hard-on would just buy up any RAM production, but if a "principled" RAM producer just said "not today, Satan" to them, and serviced the rest of consumer RAM demands, they'd have genuine cashflow that AI fags could only wish they'd achieve.
>>107600522Ah. I was hoping it would be easier than GPUs but I suppose it's all the same.
>>107600508The underlying issue is that it's a time of uncertainty in the market. Nobody knows if the demand for the AI datacenters will be that high or if it's overstates. Unironically people are wising to Altman and the like's dumbass overselling and being cautious. This however means that prices have spiked in anticipating for it to be in demand.Be patient and we'll all see soon enough. Investing in a fab at this stage would be beyond risky.
>>107600474>foodAlready highly automated, except for picking delicate fruits and vegetables. Which is a problem that would have been solved 20 years ago, if it wasn't for cheap foreign labor. Why invest into automation if you can stack 20 east europeons in a dorm instead.>housingLimited by zoning law, regulation and taxes. People can't build their own house even if they want to, so it's definitely not limited by labor supply.
>>107600527(continued)But from a business perspective, you don't care who hands you money. So whoever hands you the most money first is the choice. But this "orphans" a multibillion dollar opportunity. That fact still stands. The unit economics of gaming and the fact most people are poor means that most won't buy into the 10x'd RAM requirements. It still feels like there's room for a specialist here, who captures the entire consumer RAM market demand and leaves AI to its speculations.
>>107599646Tesla is NOT a cultTesla is NOT a cultAnyone claiming otherwise is a member of the tranny cult
>>107600546Building new house costs ~$100K-200K in labor alone for a house in any city now. Ontop of ~$100K of home materials that has to be cut/packaged/shipped by human labors. Regulatory would just amount to ~$5-20K in fees. So even when its within the city limits where you want to build new house, its expensive due to labor cost. But I get what you're saying. Expansion of regulatory zones would alleviate housing needs outside the cities or in certain zones.
>>107600535>Investing in a fab at this stage would be beyond risky.I see what you're saying there, if the AI bet folds, then all this surplus RAM floods the market. If it succeeds then what...? AGI is supposed to magically make our life better? At the end of the day I think the reality is that a lot of money could be made by playing the right hand at this moment.I personally am bullish on AI, but I view the present techniques as similar to the early days of computing in the 1950s...people needed a warehouse to house a computer that was worse worse than a smartphone by orders of magnitude. I also think that present-day ML algorithms are quite primitive, and that huge swathes of the search space they compute over are redundant and wasteful to explore. If I had to bet I'd say maybe 90% of today's training compute is wasted on brute force search exploration. This creates a perversive incentive where more efficient methods would draw money out of today's cash cow--it becomes a political game, not a question of technology and engineering. Big tech would probably put a hit out on anyone who came out and said "actually you can do this 100x cheaper"... That's why China is going to be the one to do it. They can't touch China.
>>107600513Making state of the art DRAM (DDR5 currently) is difficult. It's an ever-moving goalpost that requires access to bleeding edge machinery and the accumulated experience to build and man the facilities around them. Only 3 companies compete at the top (SK Hynix, Samsung and Micron) and they've all decided that they'd rather stay where they are and pocket the higher margins than increase production. Older standards of DRAM are a different story since the other manufacturers have had the time to catch up. There's a timeline in which China saves the DDR4 market, but even that is uncertain since hyperscalers don't seem uninterested in the stuff and have infinite money to throw around at the moment.Right now there's no reason to service the consumer market, datacenters just pay more per mm2 of wafer. A "consumer market only" manufacturer would be leaving money on the table without even gaining a long-term advantage. There's no brand loyalty in the DRAM market because it's extremely fungible and outside of Crucial (which will be gone by next year) RAM kits are made by OEMs who source their chips from whoever makes the best offer.
AI is going to make everyone filthy rich in 10 years. But can we pay anything now for the copyrighted works used to train these AIs? No. I'm afraid that's just not possible.Not even with a sliver of equity or options? No, you won't need that money anyway in the future.
>>107600612The hardware companies are clearly not really invested in AI, as far as I can tell. Branding hardware as "AI" and negotiating contracts is a very easy and not risky at all way to cash in on the craze, but nobody is building new fabs to produce AI chips. As far as hardware companies go, this is just a temporary thing they can exploit rather than an investment
>>107600245I mean, up until recently lot of businesses operated on retard logic of just hiring people if they have excess money and no concrete plan to grow, this is where the bullshit jobs came from with layers of useless middle managers, so in that sense it is true that businesses with money create jobs. You are correct in a way, demand for transforming goods and services is what is driving jobs, not just demand alone. Demand alone is near infinite, we want more then we have, but the supply is limited by raw materials, which then stops the infinite loop of demand and supply reinforcing eachother. What we need is more resources and more energy, and also less corruption. A lot of our current problems are straight up caused by just people making money from causing the problem. Medical worker shortage, energy prices in Europe, housing, all of these are manufactured problems that make money to the people causing them. Hospital administration is eating up significant portion of medical bills, there are legal caps to the maximum number of medical internship meaning that no matter the amount of students passing exams, you will still have a shortage. Housing prices are caused by landlords and nimbies making money from rising house prices, and EU energy crisis is caused by corrupt largely German and UK politicians building out gas power plants and calling them green despite being tied with coal as the most polluting power source. Then when gas prices spiked with the invasion all electricity spiked as well because in most of the world electricity prices are determined by the most expensive power source.
>>107600626>There's a timeline in which China saves the DDR4 marketCXMT just got orders not too long ago from their government to phase our DDR4 to focus primarily on DDR5.So they're going to be all-in on the latest.
>>107599719Elon Musk is undeniably a retard but judging from all the AI bubble shenanigans this seems to be a common sentiment among the people throwing tons of money into the AI fire pit. Like "AI will literally change everything who cares about debt and money and shit"
>>107600626>There's a timeline in which China saves the DDR4 marketI see that as a plausible timeline since apparently China views domestic chip production as a national level "Manhattan project" and they absolutely have the resources and political will to make it a reality. By this time Trump and his tariffs will be history as well which makes me believe cheap RAM will flood the market eventually.
>>107600611>Expansion of regulatory zones would alleviate housing needs outside the cities or in certain zones.Exactly, I meant building outside the cities. Combined with tiny/small house movement, partially self build, etc. It would instantly alleviate the housing markets, which is exactly why it won't happen. >self buildingI'll explain it from the view of a euro. Net wages here aren't that high. If you net 3k after tax you are already doing pretty well. Now, assume a house needs 1000 hours of labor for which I need to pay, including tax, 55 euros an hour. The build cost will be 55k on labor. If I want to do it myself I'm not as efficient, so lets say I need 1200 hours. If I reduce my working hours by 8 (20% reduction) for a year, that will cost about 10% net, so 300 euros a month.Add in the weekends and the help of family, friends or waifu and you should be able to scrounge 1200 hours in one or two years. So you just saved 50k on your house.While retarded from a specialization point of view, high taxation combined with low wages makes it much cheaper to do something yourself.
>>107600487>>107600499and btw I'm trans
in 10 more years we'll just need to wait 2 more years and all our problems will be solved in 6 months
>>107599646I'm so sick of these shits going on about, "stop complaining, we are on the verge of: free money, androids, sentient AI, cat girls, girl friends for everyone, going to Mars and beyond...."None of these things are close, not even a little. We will all be dead and gone and they still will not be.
>>107599846ESL detectedeven if you sold your parents' favela you couldn't afford one
>>107599646>I'm getting a lot of money soon, so that means we'll sell a product called "optional work", in which we mortgage people's lives by exploiting theme with convenience, if I were to completely oversimplify it and giving myself way too much credit
>>107599646>universal high incomeWasnt it Universal *Basic* Income? When the fuck did it upgrade to high?Also if literally everyone gets it doesnt it just devalue and end up becoming the base either way. Even ignoring the economical devaluation aspect, like how technically the average middle class today lives better than medieval royalty but since basically everyone does its not high living, just normal.
>>107601132if everyone is rich, no one is rich
>>107601132Congratulations, you understand more about money than 99.9% of people
>>107601132High relative to now. Like some goods have the potential to become much more abundant like indoor lighting has become.Though I'm sure in the future Musk imagines he would still command millions of times more energy and materials than the average Joe.
>>107601192If you adjust that for gold, you will see something else.Pounds are not money. Gold is money.
>>107599732It's gonna make them super wealthy not you
>>107601204OK Mr Gold bug. When was the last time you heard someone say they can't do something after dark because they can't afford to run the lights. In the West.
>>107601204The price is adjusted for inflation, numbnuts.
>>107601246Adjusted for inflation is less than stocks which are actually not keeping up in real money.
>>107601132>like how technically the average middle class today lives better than medieval royaltyThe average roman centurion was making 150k a year. We are actually regressing.
>>107599739more like post-society scarcity
>>107599646Money will have absolutely zero value in 2026. So give me all your money. Just do it. Do it. Do it now. I want your money.
>>107601132It's not coming anyway, so he can call it whatever he wants.Why the fuck would any of the rich landowners share with you the buildings they own or the crops grown on their soil? For monopoly money? Enjoy starving.
>>107601540>2100>The rich didn't share their money for no reason AGAIN oh well
>>107601546I think the problem is, again, that we taxed the ultra wealthy too much. We should take more money from the working class and give to the 1% as gifts.This time, I'm sure, the wealth will finally start trickling down. Just one more Big Beautiful Bill.
>>107601540>the rich people who build doomsday bunkers and talk about how much they want corporate feudal states>somehow they want to give everyone free money once automation takes everything>they wouldn't just kill everyone else and get more resources for themselves
>>107599756When a new tool appears, what typically happens is that the employer will hire you to do things the tool can't do, so that he can push productivity even higher and increase his profits.The employer is always looking to maximise profits and the AI is just software, it's not going to be able to really do everything reliably.So he will still need employees.But since he will need them, he will push them to do what the AI can't. So this will increase pressure on employees to work on things that can't be easily automated.The idea that the AI will do most things and people will just sit on the couch and watch the UBI checks coming is some sci-fi thing.
>>107599670He meant 10 light years
>>107601566Most science fiction doesn't have anyone free loading. The quality of life is predicted to go down and get worse for everyone the deeper we go into the future.
>>107601474And he didn't have the option to eat meat every day or to buy new clothes every other month. If his teeth got cavities it would just be extracted. There was also no such thing as retirement and if he got sick or injured he would've gotten no salary while he recovered.
>>107599646at this point it's probably better to just learn to weave your own memory.
>>107599670Yeah, Musk said HE was going to put a man on marsUntil he found out how much big dick government keeps saying "No"
>>107601236>When was the last time you heard someone say they can't do something after dark because they can't afford to run the lights. In the West.Visit smaller towns and you'll find plenty. Even in the town I live (population: 30k), there's a section where people use stolen electricity, they attach hooks directly to the utility pole. The copy come out to remove them once a month, the minute they leave the hooks go back on.
>>107599646UBI will never happen
>>107601775This, vast swaths of rural America (and other first world rural areas) are wretchedly poor and rotting away due to job opportunities vanishing.
>UBI is coming soon TRUST>NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAX ME YOU CAN ONLY TAX THE POORMake it make sense
>>107601843But... but I EARNED that 1 trillion dollar pay package sitting around doing nothing while my engineers salvaged my dogshit ideas :,(
>>107600474But no actual money. No buying power.Just the feeling of having access to things of worth.
>>107601843Reminder that’s the same guy who did the Doge cuts while saving 0 money for the government
>>107599646It's weird to me how this guy is a fervent supporter of the far-right but still attends events like that one
>>107601876Purchasing power. Money is irrelevant except for purchasing power. If you can buy a house for $100 instead of $100K for the same house, it doesn't matter what the nominal value is set at. All that matter is value derived.
>>107601595It often involves utopian futuristic scenarios
