>Hmm, what if I took technology that wa already in widespread usage, and made the same thing except you HAVE to give me your personal data to use it!people deserve to be enslaved because they want to be enslaved
>>107613889Never understood why people use this over Element when it's literally the same thing just that you can host Element yourself and it has less restrictions
>>107613889>technology that wa already in widespread usagethere was nothing like discord in the consumer base before discord
>>107614026Element is good but there's no 8k60fps screenshare and you can't share audio
>>107614152>8k60fps screenshare and you can't share audioSo just like on Discord?
>>107613889If it was exactly the same as the other thing and provided no benefits and only downsides, then it wouldn't have gotten adopted as much. In fact, a lot of shit products are popular because they have a large userbase and you can't really compete with the networking effect, so if people were willing to mass migrate from established products to Discord, then is it really that much worse?
>>107614114>there was nothing like discord in the consumer base before discordunderaged retard
>>107614513Not him but alright name your pre Discord, Discord-like program. You know something that has "servers" and in those servers channels where you can post images and videos and texts. And ofc with optional group chats, dms and such.
>>107614733Closest thing was Skype and Skype went down in flames just in time for everyone to jump ship to Dicksword"but teamspeak" only fucking nerds use TS
>>107614026A few reasons:1. Element is jankier (this is undeniable, Discord is by far the most polished messenger)2. Network effects (people use what everyone else uses)3. Normies like the spyware features like telling everybody what game they're playing The only reason someone would use Element over Discord is if they actually care about freedom/privacy and that unfortunately only applies to a small amount of people. OP is right, people deserve to be enslaved because for the most part that's what they want. Freedom is too much of a hassle, most people just want to be told what to do and provided with what they need.>>107614761Skype was a buggy mess and barely worked half the time. People switched to Discord because it was more functional.
>>107614761most of us were using teamspeak, ventrilo, mumble for voice chat, irc for text. once internet got cheap, people started using free slack servers, mattermost, etc, and discord emerged around this time as well. there's really nothing particularly unique or interesting about discord tbdesu, and the absence of a more mature product when it emerged can be entirely credited to the state of the internet at that time rather than ingenuity on their part.
>>107614803The way it works makes it unique well until Element.
>>107614821element emerged at the exact same time as all these other things, so again i think it's largely about market forces.i also hate to be the bearer of bad news, but aws is now 19 years old, which means there are people in this very thread who have no memory of an internet without elastic compute. take that for what you will.
>>107614026Shhh don't tell them they could have all the good features plus self hosting plus privacy plus no trannies
Most people don't want to set up their own servers and pay additional fees to shitty ISP to open ports. Furthermore, Discord has a retard-friendly UI. These two things were really important for Discord to overtake Skype and other software.It's a similar story to why Github is still so popular despite Microsoft: almost everything is free, including Actions to a certain point, and the UI is very easy (relative to Gitlab).Unfortunately, Discord is too big to fail right now, so I can't imagine it ever being overtaken unless the company starts losing money i.e. fags stop buying Nitro or whatever the hell it is that makes Discord profitable.
>>107613889The target audience for this was children, they hooked those children when they were in their early teens and now they've tracked their entire lives until adulthood.
>>107614897You dropped this
>>107614513>>107614761Discord exists primarily because Skype was going to hell and Mumble/TS3 was only used by hardcore tryhards in competitive games mostly. So all the kids migrated there. Now they have Discord harvesting their entire life data to send over to the NSA and to train the AI on. They have so much dirt on them it's actually unreal. They know where they live, who they are, what they look like, their family history, their health status, who their friends are, seen them and their girlfriends nude through their video and voie calls, EVERYTHING. For the last 10 years.Why is nobody talking about how Discord has been the one of if not the biggest honeypot operation of all time, to entrap zoomers before they even came of age? Shit makes bonzi buddy look innocent.
It sucks, but this is kinda an observed phenomenon. >https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/Made after this post but relevant to the narrative is the state of the general fediverse vs. Buhsky and Misskey-like mega instances.Matrix Protocol is a piece of shit scattered between five active heavy, bloated servers and fifteen clients that are all missing features.I will never forget the one time I needed to get on an encrypted chat on a server with ~300k people using it only for the new device key verification to buckle and randomly fail. Was told by the other party to try Cinny instead, then Fluffychat. I forget how it ended up succeeding but the whole thing was kind of a circus.With a few exceptions, people generally prefer tightly integrated, low-setup, highly complete systems. Not even just normalfags. Tor, Signal. Yacy is right there, you can use it, but Searx won out. Discord needs to be knocked down a peg, but I don't think you can do it by just asking the entire Internet to go to IRC, Matrix or anything like those two. It would have to be something radically different and intentional in where it gives control to users.
If you hate discord so much, make something better. DMs, servers with channels, voice, screenshare and audio, deduplicated notifications between multiple devices, dark, image pasting, link preview, inline video and images, file upload, editing/deleting sent messages, markdown, statuses, avatars, cloud hosting for 0 device setup, sensibly synced settings, systray and autostart, frictionless updates, and lastly a well polished, functionally and aesthetically pleasing UX in all of those things. I'm fucking waiting.Skype was trash, trillian was trash, everything that gets spammed here like irc has the convenience and ux of selfhosted fucking email.
>>107615059Discord doesn't have encryption in the first place.You can't have an E2EE that works out of the box, because you have to establish trust with the other party.Something that Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram, etc. simply do not do. They use E2EE as a marketing buzzword, that is factually useless, because it could be MitM.IF the encryption is at fault for matrix not getting adopted by normies, it's because there is encryption in the first place and the normie would prefer it without it... or he wants to be lied to.Yes, you have to verify your devices.Yes, you have to establish trust with the party you talk to.If a messenger claims to have E2EE, but doesn't force you to do those two things, the encryption is broken.
I think the fact that it's called Discord encourages its users to sow discord.
>>107615622Exists already.RocketChat, Steam (i think? not a gaymer), guilded, Mumble, matrix,...But the things you listed aren't the reason why you are stuck with Discord. Don't pretend that its out of technical reasons.Faggots love Discord so much because of Roles. Because they can build their own little circlejerk.Any previous platform before Discord only had "roles" in the sense of actual administrative roles.Discord established roles for shit and giggles, to get a different name color, to be listed higher in the user list, etc.>show me a pic of your cock and i give you a role with purple name colorTHAT is why discord is successful. There is no technical reason.Or are you going to claim that limiting uploads to 10 MB and not even being able to use emojis accross servers without paying, is somehow sooo great?
>>107613889Why is software that Just Works TM and has useful features so aggrevating to uncs? Is it their degrading brains or because they are millennials?
Fact is that every Discord user could switch to a different platform at any time.There is no feature that Discord has, that others don't.Except gay bullshit like some profile effects and catears on your pfp.Anyone who claims to use Discord because "there is nothing else like it", is lying.
>>107615890Discord doesn't "just work", though.It eats all your RAM and crashes, its randomly unavailable, it asks you for all sorts of bullshit when you join.Convenience isn't the reason here.
>>107614026>>107614875reminder that element is israeli spyware and almost every room's metadata passes through matrix.org and that it was created by an israeli organisation with ties to mossad
>>107615622Telegram has all of that
>>107615918yes, every rooms metadata is passing through the server that hosts that roomThat's how the internet works.Are you surprised that the IRC network gets the metadata of its IRC channels?
>>107615928what i mean is, if you make a room on your own server, all it takes is one person from matrix.org for the metadata to go through their server since the protocol is obsessed with archiving old messagesand everyone uses matrix.org since the server software is so dogshit
>>107615943yes, if you have a mailing list and someone, who uses a different mailserver, joins, metadata is going to that different mailserver as well
>>107615943>everyone uses matrix.org since the server software is so dogshit???KDE runs their own matrix homeserver.Gnome runs their own matrix homeserver.Governments run their own matrix homeservers.
>>107615956good example actually, it's like how gmail.com can see everything don't be a cuck, use XMPP
>>107615967did i say it was impossible to do you mouthbreathing imbecile?
>>107615968>use XMPP...which also sends metadata to every server involved
>>107615979you claimed>everyone uses matrix.orgso yeah, that's exactly what you claimed
