I work at a hospital there are so many items that cost like 15k that do most simplest tasks. For example this pill counter which uses computer vision of some sort to count pills costs literally 2k to 10k.Can any anons tell me how they're getting away with such outsourcing price gouging
>>107616147The margin on medical care is so high it is worth it to spend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on the most trivial shit if it means the hospital can squeeze an extra patient in a day.
>>107616147>brown DEI hire detectedyou are too dumb and uncomprehending to work at a pharmacy
>>107616147Certification. Medical equipment has to adhere to very specific requirements, one of which is cleanability. It must not have unreachable crevices, surfaces must be out of specific materials, so on. This may not be that expensive, but to get a verification checkmark (in various jurisdictions too) is expensive and knocks down a lot of competition.
>>107616147>2k to 10kI'm surprised it's so low. when you consider the cost of materials, r&d, taxes, distribution, service and warranty. etc etc. that's really fucking cheap
>>107616208So essentially regulations make it hard for competitors to get in>>107616187? What's wrong with you >>107616211It's a pill counter though?
>>107616147>Can any anons tell me how they're getting away with such outsourcing price gougingThe vast majority of visitors are not paying directly out of pocket. Instead you fags charge the insurance company/Government an outrageous price for "services". Like the needless chest x-ray I was given while laying in bed the last time I had to go to the ER. I was there for a kidney stone and just needed a shot of morphine and a CT scan to verify the stone was small enough that I could pass it. Instead. I got a 7 hour wait in the waiting room while in horrible pain. I was not given a shot of pain killers and was given some other drug that did nothing. Then I was wheeled into a room with a CT scan which took 4 minutes total. Then given a 5mg generic oxycodone tablet and kicked out into the street.Total costs?>7 hour wait at hospital that didn't even admit me$300. I guess because I pissed blood in a cup and they looked at it after I left>CT scan at second ER$7k>Shot of crappy non-pain killer drug+banana bag$2k>Unneeded chest X-ray I didn't want$700>One 5mg ocycodone tablet$50 for tablet and $15 for paper cup they brought it in>Prescription for 4 (yes FOUR) 5mg oxycodone tablets$25>Prescription for ibuprofen I could have bought OTC for $2$20>Prescription for flowmax$35Both ERs sent bills within 3 days of my visit. One is for $350 total from an ER that did nothing but leave me in horrible pain for 7 hours. The other ER is charging me just under $10k total for the above services and various misc. fees.I'm not paying any of it.My brother's wife went to the same ER I did a few days later for a kidney stone. She had insurance. $200 out of pocket co-pay. Got multiple shots of morphine. Got seen within 5 minutes. Didn't get unneeded chest x-ray. Didn't pay a cent for CT scan. Got treated like an actual human suffering in pain instead of being treated like a "drug seeker".
>>107616211Couldn't you just run an already trained model on an iPad or something?
>>107616231>im not paying any of itWon't they garnish your wages eventually?
>>107616231Anon im a wagie i have no control over this :(
>>107616264There is nothing to garnish. Medical debt doesn't work like that. Even if they could they'll get nothing out of me because as far as anyone knows I haven't earned a wage since 2010. I own nothing and I am very happy (everything I own is in multiple trusts).You do not have to pay medical debt. They'll just write it off and sell it to a scam debt company in a few years. Who will attempt to bully me and make empty threats. Then 7 years from now it'll be written off all together because they know they can't recover anything from me.The only thing that's going to happen is they'll say>Oh your credit report is now bad and we've taken points off of it!Which I don't care about because I'm not an idiot and I don't have a credit card.If they didn't treat me like total shit every time I need to visit the ER (like 3 times in my life) I would work out a payment plan and pay it off. But after the way I've been treated the last two times I'm giving them nothing. I'll never pay them a cent.
>>107616309Sounds great for you but doesn't seem like it would work for 99% of Americans that actually make money on paper
>>107616337It doesn't matter if you're a good goy the reports his income. THEY CAN NOT GARNISH WAGES FOR MEDICAL DEBT. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW.The entire industry is a fucking scam. From the insurance companies right down to the actual doctors and nurses.
>>107616309>Tell me your brown without saying your brown
>>107616179>margin on medical care is so highcorrect, and if you can't afford a billion dollar bill because you broke your arm at work then you deserve to die, according to rightoid creekshitter jew loving trump voters.
>>107616354>nigger>who owns his own home and is smart enough not to have it in his own nameNiggers don't even know what trusts are. You're not going to shame me into paying $11k+ for one oxycodone tablet I could have bought on the street for $5 and a banana bag. Sorry. I'm not a retard.You're not going to trick me into signing anything either. Or filling out a W2. Or pay taxes. You can't seize anything either because I own nothing.I learned how to play the game just like the richfags. I have multiple 501(c)'s and all my shit is safely squirreled away in trusts within trusts within "corporations" which are made up people that only exist on paper. I navigated the legalese and I'm doing nothing wrong according to the richfags running the country who keep all their assets and income within these legal structures to avoid paying taxes and losing their precious dollars whenever they get into legal trouble.You'll never get one penny out of me. Deal with it.
>>107616388based.never pay hospital bills under any circumstance. grift all you can from the US government. fuck this jew loving country.
EMP all medical facilities and medical oligarch headquarters and medical cronies in government
>>107616404>>107616388Are you guys not patriotic for your country? Your acting like parasites who only seek to enrich themselves and don't care about everyone else
>>107616208>>107616229my experience of medical device certification is that its a little strange.in order to be able to sell anything in the eu it needs a ce mark. to get your ce mark you need to get certified by a 3rd party. however you can very simply say to the 3rd party, actually i do not want this part tested, i have no interest in meeting this part of the requirements. and you just accept the responsibility of whatever happens. they give you a pass you sell your item, and when it kills someone you are just completely fucked. but until it kills someone nobody will try to stop you.the other part is when anon says it has to be made of material xyz,>>107616208actually in my experience the material is not specified, rather they do say the material must be fireproof to such a degree, not cause allergic reaction, and then you have to pay some other company a lot of money to prove that a sheet of steel is fireproof or that it won't cause allergic reaction to majority of people. they do not give you a list of approved materials they expect you to do that yourself. yes as an industry there is an extremely steep entry curve.however a pill counter, as something which could be excluded from the 'patient environment' directly, wouldn't need to meet those specs.a pill counter doesn't really determine dosage either so it might be simple enough to avoid medical software standards as well
>>107616147I can count pills pretty fast but theres no way the hospital is gonna pay me to do it when they can buy one of these to do it 10x faster and 10x cheaper
>>107616147Certification and reliability guarantees.They can have confidence that it's safe and reliable in a medical environment, and any unlikely malfunction that does happen will happen gracefully.
>>107616388Absolutely fucking based.Starve the beast, let the sub-poverty wagies flood out into the streets begging for enough gibs to feed their family.Give them not one single chicken tendie.
>>107616147Are you seriously asking why wouldn't a company want to replace a full employee's salary with a few machines? They could even replace several employees at a profit.Ofc, job's become increasingly unreplaceable as risk/liability and skill barrier go up.
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>>107616147The entire medical industry is just everyone getting scammed.>insurance companies scamming patients>doctors/hospitals scamming insurance companies>medical equipment companies scamming doctors/hospitalsEverything is overpriced to justify the high salaries that people expect in these fields.
>>107616527Why people still have insurance is beyond me.
>>107616147Reason number 5236 of why money and human dont mix. Price sensitivity decreases with absolute wealth. To much admin bloat for anyone to care.Seems like its allowed to continue as it jacks healthcare out of the affordability of many unless their provided health insurance from an employer getting their loans paid off with new loans forcing people into the wage cage
>>107616147It includes 5-10 years warranty plus guaranteed technicians on call and spare parts. Plus the manufacturer has to take liability insurance in case they get sued. Consumer grade appliances don't need to do this and most of the time, people's lives are not depending on it.
There's sure a lot of commies in this thread...There's a reason why American healthcare is world class in quality and speed of service thatCanadians and Eurocucks can only dream of.Americans only need to pay for healthcare when needed while "Free Healthcare" countries pay out the ass with their taxes.
Tylenol dose: $0.01Tylenol dose in USA hospital: $15That's 150,000% markupWhere do you think that money is going?It's not going to doctors.It's not going to nurses.It's not going to scientists developing drugs.It's going to shareholders.>>107616920Actually Americans pay the most tax money money in the world for healthcareIronically, far more than countries with free healthcare
>>107616920US life expectancy is the worst of western nations.you're wrong and probably a jew loving migger.
>>107617056Medicare and medicaid together cost literally a trillion dollars and are the government's second highest cost after only social security.Euros have no idea how much we pay for welfare here.
>>107617141US life expectancy is low due to the hordes of teenage sneaker enthusiasts murdering each other in the inner cities.
>>107617175no it isn't. 6% of the population having a ~50% chance of dying young isn't going to bring down the LE by 9 years.you eat corn syrup, toxic waste, jew cum, and will die when you retire if you can't afford $5k USD monthly health insurance prices.
>>107617184*~50% chance 'higher'
>>107617143>Euros have no idea how much we pay for welfare here.Euros have Medicare for everyone for free and pay less taxes than Americans for healthcare. The problem is shareholders.Every step of the way shareholders are taking money for doing nothingCharging $15 for a $0.01 Tylenol dose is just an example of the entire healthcare industryGovernment needs to be the only payer, put a gun to their head, and say NO I'M NOT PAYING $15 FOR THE TYLENOLThen healthcare will be affordable.
>>107617237That's communism
>Can any anons tell me how they're getting away with such outsourcing price gougingHospitals in America are satanic temples, who extract tithes from their congregation in the form of disease and the screams and blood of newborn males. Any amount of money to keep the blood and suffering flowing is absolutely okay for the cultists in the medical industry.
>>107616147Because nobody wants to be the one whose device goes>uhm, yikes, sweaty, that's gon b a malfunction 54 btw:^)Making something extra safe and reliable costs more money.
>>107616147certs and gouging.
>>107616147>Can any anons tell me how they're getting away with such outsourcing price gougingus insurance companies are by law only allowed to take out a small percentage of payouts as profit. the immediate and obvious effect of this is that the only way to increase the profitability of your insurance company is to increase medical costsreducing overhead, making treatments cheaper and more effective will directly reduce your profitability
>>107617401ps. this is what economists refer to as a "perverse incentive", a common effect of poorly thought through regulations
>>107616231>CT Scan>$7k>chest x-ray>$700FFS, I'm always baffled by exams and even OTC medicine prices in the USIn my country a full torso CT scan costs about $250 ~ $300. A chest x-ray, about 70 bucks. These are average private clinic prices for people who don't have any health insurance whatsoever and pay out of their own pocketBut hey, at least you pay half of our average prices for computer parts and video game consoles. God bless Amerigga :-DDD
