indians

because, just like in your dipshit comic, instead of shutting your dumbfuck noob mouth and just do what you are told, you try to get creative, complicate the process for nothing, and waste everyone's time. just shut the fuck up and do what you are told.

>>107640271
They look exactly the same who is at the bottom?

>>107640343
remember in elementary school when the teacher made you read words and then write down the themes and stuff. you should have listened to her. i hate to be the one to tell you but you're illiterate.

>>107640319
>anon, stop trying to actually learn from your experience and regurgitate information instead, i specifically went out of my way to help you, but im going to act like youre burdening my anyways. stop trying to be creative in the creative medium you fucktard!! fuck!!!!!

>>107640343
the one who needed help and recieved the opposite, thusly not having the confidence to write anymore:
the right one, literally and metaphorically

>>107640364
Ok but is the bully scared to write original code and that's why he shills method a, or is the noob so traumatized now that he can't write code?

>>107640271
>how do I do B
>you do A
>no, I WANT to do B
>ok, here's how you do B
>nice
>I did C and this shit broke, wtf
>do A before C
>FUCKING SHIT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE I DID B AND IT DID NOT WORK WHO MADE THIS FUCKING SHIT FUCK I QUIT

>>107640401
it's not about writing code

>>107640400
> the right one
But why not the left one? Doesn't it work both ways? Everyone is too afraid to write code: hence AI.

>>107640430
Oh yeah I guess I was just projecting the code part into the comic

>zero mentions of D
This board is dead. Enjoy your corporate A cage non-free cucks.

>>107640424
>method a and method b are explicitly described as two seperate methods that function differently from one another
>"on the offchance that i *do* get the help needed, usually its just "oh just use the blah function", so its not like i just Dont Know How To Code or anything"
>anon still manages to write a fanfiction about method A being an innate part of method B

>>107640441
it is about writing code, idk why anon said that

>>107640271
Gamification of platforms like stackoverflow and reddit ruined help with any level of patience. People on platforms like that are there to farm votes and likes, which means they want to give you the undisputed correct answer to your question in the minimum amount of time and not get bogged down in side tracks, much less waste time with teaching some actual depth. Sadly, this mindset has now permeated the culture even in many communities that don't actually have (You)s to farm.

People who are willing to sit down and explore the fringes of your question and do some actual fucking teaching still exist, but they are hard to find, as almost all the online help platforms that bring together such people discourage it. Finding a sensible person is your better but, though of course finding one is rather hit and miss, and also they will never know as much stuff as a whole community.

>>107640400
>anon, stop trying to actually learn from your experience and regurgitate information instead
nta
but at the level youre at
you have NO experience
and it is provided to you by your fellow programmers
once you acquire it
then yeah, its rational to say you learn from experience

youre asking people how to do something
and then say you will do things your way anyways

it IS a waste of everybody's time. your interlocutor's as well as yours

>>107640400
>>107640532 cont
also:
if you cant translate an algo into your preferred language
youre not writing your pseudocode with enough granularity
you dont have to write everything from the ground up either
what i do, is that i have a high level overview
then i write down all the discrete elements
when im doing the latter my pseudocode pretty much translates 1:1 to the language im using (C btw. not exactly the highest level language there is)

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>>107640271
It's annoying when a question is ill-specified but it's more annoying when someone attempts to interrogate it too closely

>>107640558
dont you like complete, satisfactory answers?
id say, if its not your cup of tea to answer questions, maybe dont?

>>107640271
Genius does not often correlate with patience for how others learn. The main issue you run into here comes down to awful design decisions, which are a detriment down the road if you mean to create real software. It is not generally coming from a place of malice, just ardent concern from a sometimes very long learning process.

I would need to see an actual conversation, most of the time I disagree subtly with literally everyone involved.

>>107640580
I try to be real as we often cannot comprehend the unhinged thoughts behind the question

>>107640271

why did you ask if you already knew you were going to pick b? do you genuinely want help or do you want affirmation that “you’re a good coder”?

fuck off, the guy is right to be mad

>>107640661
then its the question-asker's user-error
you dont have a crystal ball to scry the intention behind a question.
i suppose... correct me if im wrong, but i dont have one, kek

>>107640271
how does performance of rust compare to python
>erm well that depends, every language has its pros and cons sweetie :)
how many triangles per second can I upload to vram
>erm there's no one single number, the performance is highly variable and depends on a complex interplay of factors, making a single, fixed number impossible to state
what is the typical bandwidth of a modern gpu
>erm modern GPU performance is affected by a variety of factors so there is no one "typical bandwidth"

the internet is suffering under a plague of midwits who discovered they can "answer" questions without answering them and get a billion upvotes from their fellow morons

>>107640648
>Genius does not often correlate with patience for how others learn.
That is the opposite of my experience. The actually smart people tend to be the patient ones, it's the midwits that like to think they are very smart that want to stick to what they know.

>The main issue you run into here comes down to awful design decisions, which are a detriment down the road if you mean to create real software.
Which is exactly why a helper worth his salt should *explain* to someone with a bad idea what would happen if they tried that, what problems they would run into down the road, and why things are not usually done this way. Just yelling loudly *that* things are not usually done this way without going through the steps to illustrate *why* is not helpful at all, it's the behavior of awful trade school teachers that can only produce cogs in the machine that can't think for themselves.

>>107640705

coder A also doesn’t know the why of things, its very rare someone does. I’d encourage the person to try doing B, but fuck off asking a question then.

>>107640690
Yes, and the solution is overwhelming forgiveness/tactical lack of curiosity so we don't stress over it

>>107640729
Well then maybe they should stay the fuck away from help forums until they have some actual expertise to offer.

>>107640750
theres another way:
just type
>wym?, exactly
in 99% of cases, if someone gets filtered by english, theyre gonna be filtered by programming, extra hard, and so explaining stuff to them would be a waste of your time

>>107640532
>you have NO experience

but i do?? like, again, when somebody *is* able to help me find what i am looking for, it is usually just a function, not a complicated solution to a problem, not an entire script i am asking them to write for me, but a singular function that i would not be able to find unless i genuinely skimmed the literal hundreds of functions in the glossary/engine guide, which not only would be unnecessarily tasking but incredibly easy to miss as well.

most of my experience comes from holding onto a bad engine for way too long and pushing it to its absolute limits mainly through self taught code. so its kind of a double whammy of "my coding vocabulary is way off from most others" and "i program in a style very unique to myself and it throws people off", but when i have a patient listener who is willing to understand my language as much as i am willing to understand their language it is very possible for me to translate those ideas seamlessly.

>>107640688
you can have an idea of how to do something without knowing exactly how to do it anon. please read for more than 4 seconds before posting

>>107640754

When I was at school, my C professor once said we need to learn by ourselves as a programmer, and basically gave us basic knowledge and a fuckton of string, pointers, etc problems for us to solve on our own. People would go to him and he’d answer: have you tried to google first? Etc… everyone thought he was kind of a dick, but looking back he set up a sink or swim situation on purpose to filter the midwits out

>>107640808
I assume that was a while ago. Have you tried googling for any programming questions these days? All you will find is the most superficial stackoverflow answers that three quarters of the time don't answer the actual question you were looking for. Many of the most common popular """modern""" languages and frameworks don't even *have* a reference documentation where you can look up the actual details of that third parameter. I suppose this is less true for languages like C that are mostly used by the greybeards and diehards, but using google to find answers for the latest javascript framework is really fucking dire.

>>107640808
>filter the midwits out
>as a professor
>whos entire job is to turn midwits into not-so-midwits
??????

i mean i totally respect the "you should find your own way" teaching method but if someone's genuinely stuck and is asking you for help you should probably help??
generalized glossaries and guides can only do so much to help when its so easy to misinterpret what exactly one thing means

it kinda depends on how exactly he did it, but if he really did just say some shit, expected everyone to understand it in his exact point of view, and refused to reiterate if anyone was confused about what was being said, yeah hes kind of a lazy asshole.

>>107640808
Kind of a dick solved the architectural problem.

>>107640271
what language are you trying to code in where solving specific problems seems like the right step to take before learning basic type notation? it sounds like you're looking for a textbook primer on introductory programming, or maybe just snippets of API documentation relevant to your task, but are also mad that reading takes more than 18 minutes.

>>107640805
>but i do??
hmmm
then youre probably at a similar point as i am
i also am self taught, and i too have the vocabulary of a nigger

but i have a very classical, very explicit code style at least
traditional styles are good. exactly for when you have to exchange code with other people, or for when you will be snooping on others' codebases. if you have a similar or identical notation system, it makes it easier to read their spaghetti
---
i constantly look shit up when im engaged in discussions
its kinda a matter of respect to not burden your interlocutor with work that you should do yourself
>skimming the manuals
everyone does it. its just how the cookie crumbles
you cant exactly trust ai. theres things your interlocutors wont know.
then youre on your own- and you *will* be skimming the manual
its part and parcel of the programming trade
---
try using chat gpt.
for term lookup and ideas as to which functions to use
like i said, you cant trust it, but at least it will point you in the vaguely right-ish direction
and it works pretty well with illiterates like us, because you can just throw loose associations at it and it will figure out the rest
a shatbot is a correlation machine after all

>>107640271
>why are so many programming "help" groups like this?
there's a lot of faggots in programming. they lost control of their ass so now they think they will make it up by controlling technology.

>>107640271
Just keep asking. Sometimes you get a solution, sometimes you don't.

Social anxiety is worse. You probably need to go outside a bit and talk to at least 2 people a day actually to fix that social anxiety problem.

>>107640271
No idea, but I've experienced this as well. It doesn't matter how much you try to explain to them that Method A is not applicable, or you're deliberately doing Method B as a learning exercise; it's like they cannot wrap their mind around hypotheticals. The only reassurance I can offer is that your instinct is pretty much correct and you're going about the learning process the correct way. Back when I actually used StackOverflow I had to answer so many of my own questions because the dipshits on there couldn't think further than their nose.

It wouldn't be so bad for StackOverflow to be elitist if they were actually competent. Instead, 99% of the people on there are as you described. I eventually stopped using it because I was tired of writing a paragraph-and-a-half justifying why my question was sensible in the first place. Now, of course, StackOverflow is dying thanks to AI, and I say good riddance. /dpt/ offers unironically better answers lmao.

(Also what the actual fuck is this new captcha)

>>107640271
You get what you pay for.

>>107640871

after years coding you kinda know that about 80% of the people who are starry eyed about “wow im gonna become a software engineer” are ngmi

you have to have the autistic drive for wanting to know how things really work and tinker with it yourself

>>107640996
Don't listen to this nigger. He's a scammer.
>>107640271
Some products are good, some are bad. There is free products out there that are 5000x higher quality than anything you can buy.

>>107640400
>the right one, literally and metaphorically
good for him, we have one less retard to spoonfed

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>>107640271
wtf is wrong with these guys

>>107641117
if this turns me on does that mean im gay?

>>107641133
no because the other one could be a woman. you're safu

>>107641133
unequivocally- yes

>>107641133
nah, left one is a bald woman

>>107641117
good post thanks anon