Linux is often sold as progress, but philosophically it feels like a step backward. The people who shaped the field at its best, Engelbart, Alan Kay, Licklider, were trying to make computers amplify human thought, not turn users into part time system administrators. Engelbart wanted integrated systems that helped people reason, collaborate, and build knowledge. Kay imagined the computer as a living medium, something you could understand, reshape, and learn from. Linux goes in the opposite direction. It inherits the Unix mindset where the system is a miserable little pile of loosely connected tools and the human is expected to glue them together through arcane commands and configuration files. Complexity is not reduced, it is pushed onto the user and normalized as a virtue. Instead of higher level concepts, Linux clings to decades old abstractions like everything being a file, text streams as universal interfaces, and shells as the main way to think. The result is a system no single person can fully understand, held together by conventions, folklore, and cargo cult practices. What makes this worse is the culture that formed around it. A common trait among Linux enthusiasts is a mix of resentment and shallow elitism, where struggling with the system is reframed as proof of intelligence or moral superiority. Difficulty becomes a badge of honor rather than a design failure. Many users overestimate their understanding, mastering a narrow set of commands and rituals while mistaking familiarity for depth. This Dunning–Kruger confidence feeds contempt for ordinary users and for systems that aim to be coherent and humane, as if usability were a flaw rather than the point. Instead of demanding better abstractions, the culture defends rough edges as character building. In that sense, Linux does not just fall short technically. It fosters an attitude that resists the ideals of clarity, empathy, and intellectual humility that the great figures of computing actually stood for.
Get a better hobby, if that was be in the restroom I would piss on you for being a windows fag, and since you love windows you would get off on it.Also didn't read
>>107646962That reminds me. I need to switch to Linux because the video drivers on Windows keep crashing my laptop when it's unplugged. That and the keyboard just stops working sometimes and I have to lock and unlock my screen to fix it. Thanks OP.
>>107646962>WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDSIs this a leftist meme?
>>107646981>>107646985>>107646999Linux users can’t read, that’s why they like “simplicity” so much. lol
linux will never show you ads in your own OS
>>107647009It's not that I *can't* read, it's that I *didn't* read your wall of text.
>>107647015>cluelesshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-files/+bug/1701068
>>107647009>p-p-please read my blogpost...
>>107647009can't format his retarded rant awarddid you lose your enter key?
>>107647066Simple ideas, for kids: • What computers should do • Computers should help people think, learn, and work together. • They should feel friendly and easy to understand. • What early computer thinkers wanted • They wanted computers to make humans smarter, not confused. • They imagined computers as tools you can learn from and shape. • What Linux is like • Linux often makes people deal with many small tools. • Users have to connect these tools themselves. • This can feel hard and messy. • Why it feels difficult • Many things are old ideas that are hard to learn. • You must remember special commands and rules. • The computer does not explain itself very well. • How people talk about this difficulty • Some users say “it’s hard” means “it’s smart.” • Struggling is treated like a prize, not a problem. • Problems with that attitude • People can think they know more than they do. • They may look down on others who want things simpler. • Being easy to use is seen as bad, even though it should be good. • Big idea • A good computer system should be clear, kind, and helpful. • Making things hard on purpose is not real progress.
Where's that anon to sperg all over the thread and call everyone that replies to it a subhuman nigger? I'm tired of this crap being posted every day
>>107646962you got filtered kek
>>107647087all people with this kind of mentality do is just bloat up everything for no reason, making it unusable for people with shit hardware. so much for things just working, huh?
>>107646962>not sharing the urinal2/10
>>107646962It's simply not true. Or maybe it was true once upon a time.But trust me, with Fedora 43, you don't feel like what you just posted is true at all anymore.
>>107646962Don't care, Microsoft doesn't want you to control your own device and is thus a step backward from even TempleOS.
>>107647505i've seen freetards make the same claim about fedora 3, 13, 23 and 33. but i'm sure it's different this time.
>>107646962 Kay imagined the computer as a living medium, something you could understand, reshape, and learn fromso Grok, ChatGPT and DeepSeek?open source LLMs are to primitive to compete with them, Dolphin Mistral just hallucinates facts. Even Grok does that sometime but with offline usable mistral it happens more often then not.
>>107646962This simply isn't true any longer. Even i, working in a third world public hospital, could see the brown nurses there using Ubuntu for their job. Linux is as easy as Windows if you stick to famous distros and use it for work only, and so long your work doesn't involve using Adobe software.
>>107646962TLDR: Pseudointellectual retardation and also OP is a faggot
>>107647980thanks. Didn't want to read all that and assumed OP was a faggot anyway.
>>107647980>>107648007You have to be a massive faggot to shill for Microsoft on a ukrainian basket weaving forum. The only potential diagnosis is retardation.
Could you hold this while I check my cellphone for a minute?
>hours passed>still no refutation to op besides ad hominem
>>107646962>The people who shaped the field at its best, Engelbart, Alan Kay, Licklider, were trying to make computers amplify human thought, not turn users into part time system administrators.You only have to apply as much time to system administration as you want to. >It inherits the Unix mindset where the system is a miserable little pile of loosely connected tools and the human is expected to glue them together through arcane commands and configuration files. Complexity is not reduced, it is pushed onto the user and normalized as a virtue.Doing everything yourself via shell scripts is only one approach to using a Unixlike. Also, define 'arcane'. Most unixen come with manpages. To find out about some particular aspect of your system all you have to do is issue "man -k <thing>". Windows has no such thing for its internals. >The result is a system no single person can fully understandAre you fucking serious rn? No, really, you're telling me that Windows is something that one person can understand from top to bottom? If you think it's good for computers to 'amplify human thought' then don't you think a system that lets you do what you want with it would be in line with those ideals?>Instead of demanding better abstractions, the culture defends rough edges as character building.Debatably true. Plan 9 refines a lot of the concepts from Unix however it never reached adoption.>It fosters an attitude that resists the ideals of clarity, empathy, and intellectual humility that the great figures of computing actually stood for.Intellectual humility? Dude, fuck off. This is just a verbose way of saying that it's bad to ever challenge users. What you get then is a bunch of complacent idiots who can't solve problems. Which is why we're in such a rut now.
>>107647035Ubuntu isn't Linux, it's pozzware.
>>107648492It seems that you know about Plan 9 and how the original Unix people created it specifically to move past Unix’s own limitations. Do you also know that Plan 9 itself was influenced by systems like Oberon and Cedar, which were already pushing toward coherent, higher level environments long before Linux doubled down on Unix compatibility. If even Unix’s creators felt the need to escape Unix, defending Linux as something that needs to be defended on philosophical grounds does not really make sense.
>>107646962>>107647087I agree with all of this. Lisp machines, Smalltalk, and Oberon have a lot of these ideas.>>107648492>What you get then is a bunch of complacent idiots who can't solve problems. Which is why we're in such a rut now.That's what you get with Unix. Unix people blame everything on a "skill issue" of the users, so they never fix anything and they complain about anyone who makes things better, like you're doing right now. It's been the same since the Unix-Haters Handbook.
>>107648600Linux devs and users love getting pozzed in their neg hole
>>107648492 >To find out about some particular aspect of your system all you have to do is issue "man -k <thing>". Windows has no such thing for its internals.thats because for Windows users being in CHROME browser on facebook, tiktok, instagram 99% of the time is the entire OS experience. The entire OS is a walled garden. They need 16 gigs of RAM to browse FB
>>107646962Holy truth nuke. I realized this going through Windows XP and Windows 7 and the difference between something like a Debian/Ubuntu distribution. There are advantages but they are frequently mitigated by the disjointedness and lack of ability to keep track of things. Just compare the manuals for example.
>>107648492>manwhat I meant to say is Windows and Mac users have no use for man pages when their computers are glorified social media machines.
>>107646962At the end of the day, Linux users are higher IQ and won't bend the knee. The only people using Windows 11 are the cattle NPCs and low IQ masses.Linux means you're superior, simple as.
>>107648868>I don't know about something so it doesn't existWindows has help for all the API functions and commands. How do you think developers write Windows programs?
>>107648931>dude just install some experimental bullshit on your computer what could go wrong
>>107648931>literally an example of op’s argument
