major distros have hundreds of mirrors

>>107679636
where do i find those mirrors if arch website goes down?

>>107679646
Is google down, too?

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>>107679646
You don't

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>>107679652

>>107679630
I got banned for pointing this out a few times before

>>107679630
>1 pseudonymous npc with an anime avatar listens to cnn
>half the world now has an empty home folder

>>107679630
>lies on the internet

>>107679671
When you realize that 4chan is now just Reddit where you can say nigger, it makes perfect sense.

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>>107679688
Yeah the mods seem to get very pissy when you point out that centralised software distribution is a flawed model

>>107679690
no necrobumping >:(

>>107679671
>banned for being a complete retard
About time the janny did his job.

>>107679714
You have to understand that leftists (which includes communists, which includes freetards) don't actually have an ideology. They will say/do exactly the opposite of what they did 5 minutes ago if it wins them an argument.
This is why freetards worship a jewish pro-vaxxer: anyone with actual standards would dismiss him instantly. But they don't - QED.

Shit like this is why I'll never install linux. You're all fat faggots or little twinks that twist your dicks all day.

>>107679630
It's under ddos attack by the competition.

>>107679729
every other thread is a retard posting some inane shit
half the time it's a repost
the other half it's twatter screencaps

>>107679781
>Arch has some haters so obsessed they go out of their way to try to take it down
How did they do it?

>>107679963
>take it down
redhat and microsoft will take care of that

>>107679630
>gays are everywhere and in everything
>trannies are everywhere and in everything
>arch is still objectively good
How did they design it like this?

>>107680040
They didn't. Throwing "objectively" into all your NPC posts doesn't change that Arch is shit, always has been, and always will be.

>>107679646
For a competently programmed package manager? In the config file it loads.

>>107680067
Works on my machine

>>107679646
archive.org

>>107680101
>npc keeps talking like an npc
Glad we had this chat.

>>107680106
https://web.archive.org/web/20251226171838/https://archlinux.org/

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>>107680114
>archive.org to install software

>>107679646
>>107679630
check "/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist", comment the dead mirror, uncomment any other, do "sudo pacman -Syy".

that's it, fuck you

I don't use arch, btw. I just think you're a bit retarded if you can't figure out a workaround for simple issues. If you use any Linux distro it's probably a good idea to choose a reliable nearby mirror as opposed to relying on the default that your install comes with. Then things like this won't even be a problem.

>>107680131
You don't use it to install software (in this case) you use it to find where to get the software from.

https://web.archive.org/web/20251113043944/https://archlinux.org/mirrors/

This is something you should be doing while the website is actually up but if you're in an emergency situation it's a teachable moment I guess.

>>107679646
You're already using ghostmirror or reflector if you're obsessed with updooting

>>107679630
>>1 website goes down
>>can't install software
Use Gentoo and build everything from source so there isn't a centralized reliance.

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>>107679630
>lelnux

>>107680137
nobody who posts these threads have used linux

>>107680233
I prefer "Anux" myself.
But it excites freetards for some reason.

>>107680241
That's obvious. We are using it because we want an experience where we have some degree of control over these types of things. If they say they will use Windows or Mac OS because they want these things managed for them and backed by a corporation who will use a CDN instead of relying on donated mirrors that the user will need to point to themselves, I'll say okay, that's fine. But I'm fine with managing my own experience and working around problems.

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The bigger problem is you need internet connection to install software
On windows I can just put an installer on a flash drive and be able to install it anywhere at any time

>inb4 you can put packages on a flash drive too
Linux has 0 backwards compatibility so they will stop working soon

>>107680264
>Linux has 0 backwards compatibility so they will stop working soon
This isn't really true. The real problem will be managing dependencies.

>>107679630
>what are mirrors?
>>107679646
pacman-mirrorlist package already has them all bruh.

>>107680112
>no argument against Arch
I accept your concession. Nice talking to you

>>107680297
Arch devs accept any convenience trojan horse you throw at them

>>107680274
It's splitting hairs, though.
My 12MB InstallShield EXE will always work (well, until at least 20 years after AMD128 comes along).
I can save my 3MB package and its 800MB of dependencies, but how long before I hit "libfaggot-0.12.3beta4 conflicts with libfaggot-0.75.2alpha9patchlevel205"?

>>107680297
>>107680112

>>107680305
If this was a serious issue for me I would be building docker images for things I will need to keep working well into the future, but do not expect or want updates on. It's definitely different from Windows where I would have maybe 20 different programs which all shipped their own version of ffmpeg. Instead I have all this software I installed relying on the ffmpeg I compiled myself exactly the way I want, except jellyfin which ships it's own via apt which doesn't conflict with the one on the system.

It's not so much offline access that's the problem as it is dealing with legacy software in the first place. Windows is easier and better in that regard but it can still be a nightmare. I've been dealing with a scenario (above my pay grade but I still agreed to help) like that at work. I came to the conclusion that running all the shit they need in Wine is probably better and smarter than anything else but you already know that's not going to happen. LTSC licenses for everyone it is!

>>107680330
If you don't care don't post sweaty

>>107679662
google sucks. It's started hitting me with constant "prove you're not a bot" stupid shit. hate that goddamned trash, I now have unironically switched to Yandex. fucking tired of google's goddamned jeetware fucking trash.

>>107679688
>say nigger
Actually, whenever the jeets brigade you, the faggot mods ban you. The global rule is no racism except on /pol/, or maybe /b/, I forget.

>>107680342
Nice boomerbook meme grandpa. Come back when you're ready to discuss tech instead of make corny posts that contribute nothing.

>>107680264
you can do the same with linux. when i first started using linux i had slow/limited internet access, so i would keep/copy my package cache when reinstalling/setting up another computer
these days reinstalling is a foreign concept to me as i have learned to maintain my os properly, and while i still can, i generally don't bother even copying over a package cache on a new machine because i have an 800Mbit/s down connection. i know not everyone does, so reusing the cache is certainly going to benefit others still
nice thing about a package cache vs. a folder full of setup.exe's is that it keeps itself organised and up to date, one command updates them all and one command removes obsolete files.

last time i set up a windows computer for a friend, i don't think i ended up using anything from my windows installers folder, since it was all outdated. now sure it'd be better maintained if it was still my main os, but even when linux was my secondary os it still did an installers folder better than windows

>>107679630
download reflector

sudo reflector --latest 20 --protocol https --sort rate --save /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

>>107680330
>instead of 800mb of dependencies
>throw in an entire os as dependencies
This is arguably worse thoughverbeit.

>>107680137
I don't use Arch, does it not just automatically attempt to use other mirrors if one fails? Or is the "dead mirror" in this case a mirror that is permanently dead and therefore worth commenting out?

>>107680403
you can uncomment multiple mirrors. i just uncomment all the ones in my country, if one doesn't work i'll try the next automatically

>>107680396
There's a reason the vast majority of images use alpine as a base. Most of the time you shouldn't need extreme bloat just to get a single piece of software working.

>>107680149
>>107680390
>>107680137
>Have to tinkertroon and download things
No thanks, I like when my computer just works

>>107680424
That's fine. Just don't complain when it predictably gets worse with each passing year.

>>107680233
Bratty Microsoft needs correction

>>107680432
see >>107680008

>>107680424
you dont, you set it up as a service and it runs for you. you brainlets are despicable

>>107679630
is there a linus usb to download everything you need

>>107680424
>jeetysoft indows
>just le werkerinoes!
Pick one

>>107680709
Freetards have swallowed the "shitty DOS clone makes me awesome" propaganda so totally, that they can't understand most people aren't as helpless and/or incompetent as they are.

>>107680131
lintroons are fucking retarded

>>107680772
Installing software from archive.org was never suggested though. Only using it to view a website when it's down was suggested. If anybody is retarded it's you.

>>107680709
name 1 thing that doesn't just work on windows

>>107680795
The pirated IPTV panel I use at work

>>107680803
No valid usecase

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>>107680264
>Linux has 0 backwards compatibility
They literally delete packages because they're old and made by "fascists"
>https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/460711
They CAN'T have backwards compatibility

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>>107680264
>Linux has 0 backwards compatibility
are you sure about that?

>>107680821
Not true. The usecase is making money. I have found Windows to be inferior for that task. It's only good for spending money so office monkeys can do their jobs.

>>107680909
retard

>>107680803
OK
Now list all the things that don't just work on Linux

>>107680943
The only thing that I want to work that doesn't is SDR#. It's by far the best SDR software. I've made incremental progress getting it to work first with really old versions on Wine then more recently a newer one with Proton but the latest builds using dotnet 8 and 9 are a no go. I have found that SDR++ basically clones it's UI and has a few features I appreciate that SDR# is missing. That has helped but SDR# still has the best community making plugins etc for it so it's the gold standard and trying to run it with proton can be a little bit janky and frustrating sometimes depending on my luck.

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>>107680966
SDR# will always be my favorite but SDR++ is seriously based. I am planning on replacing this RTL-SDR that's on the rooftop of my work with a Chinese RSP1 clone I have. I was never able to get that working in SDR# which is part of the reason why I stopped using it. The SDR++ server mode will enable this.

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>>107679656
usecase?

>>107680938
>linux has 0 backward compatibility so software will stop working soon
>demos running a 20 year old binary
>"retard"
what did i miss?

>>107681249
That's not a 20 year old binary

>>107679630
>install debian on a laptop in 2023, everything just works
>turn on laptop two years later
>go online, youtube works
>ok lets update
>apt update
>404
>404
>404
>404
yea this shit is stupid

>>107681401
it is, see the build date. this is the linux demo released over 20 years ago

> file UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz 
UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz: gzip compressed data, was "UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run", last modified: Fri Sep 24 10:39:12 2004, max speed, from Unix, original size modulo 2^32 288950743

>>107681440
So fix it.

>>107681401
>>107681453
and if you're wondering how it's 64bit, linux had AMD64 support before windows did

>>107681457
i can update my windows7 pc from 2009 without """fixing it"""

>>107681463
give me the binary

>>107681457
Go back to playing with your axewound of an OS faggot

>>107681548
That was never my experience with Windows 7. Windows update would get fucked up and you couldn't update it past a specific point. I had trouble trying to install ESU updates for it in a VM more recently too.

Windows Update was a heap of fucking shit during the actual lifespan of 7. I do not have good memories of it. It didn't become good until Windows 10 but that was the age of system breaking updates (until I switched to LTSC)

>>107681577
I have no issues with my OS. If I do it is easy to take care of them. I'm not too retarded to do basic troubleshooting.

>>107681568
https://www.moddb.com/games/unreal-tournament-2004/downloads/ut2004-demo-v3334-for-linux
on a modern distro you'll likely need to install libstdc++5/-v3, and you'll need an oss wrapper/alsa oss support enabled for sound since that's also not usually on by default anymore.

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>>107681592
>on a modern distro you'll likely need to install libstdc++5/-v3, and you'll need an oss wrapper/alsa oss support enabled for sound since that's also not usually on by default anymore.

>>107681598
>as if there aren't entire websites dedicated to hacky fixes to get old games running on modern versions of Windows

>>107681598
if you want me to list off windows games from 2004 you need to do tweaks to get running on windows...

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>>107681605
>>107681608

>>107681609
>missing the point entirely
as expected from troonix users, 0 reading comprehension

>>107680264
>The bigger problem is you need internet connection to install software
>On windows I can just put an installer on a flash drive and be able to install it anywhere at any time
you keep a offline installer for every software you use on your computer?

>>107681616
the goalpost was running old software, there was no stipulation that it had to run with zero additional steps.

>>107681616
There are no goalposts being moved. We are comparing compatibility with old Linux binaries to old Windows binaries. What's ironic is that Linux via Wine is actually more capable of running old Windows binaries in a lot of cases. Yet it will struggle with some newer stuff as I was complaining about here: >>107680966

>>107681627
>Troonix just works!
>Except when it doesn't

>>107681636
This applies to every OS.

>>107681631
the windows version of ut2004 works ootb in wine, and perhaps one could call that ironic. the difference is that wine is intended to run old software, while a modern distro may not decide to include things only very old programs use ootb
>>107681636
i didn't claim that

>>107681640
wrong

>>107681650
there are many old games which don't work correctly on modern windows without additional steps, linux is no worse in this regard

>>107681650
https://www.reddit.com/r/unrealtournament/comments/1c8r50u/unreal_tournament_2004_install_guide_windows_11/
https://archive.org/details/ut2004-3369

To play the same game on Windows 11 you must use a version of the game that has been tinker trannied up to make it properly functional.

>>107681659
It launches on my desktop just fine

>>107681669
Because someone modified it so that it does. Good luck using the original unpatched version from 2004 and getting good performance from it.

>>107681674
wrong again

>>107681680
*A note on the FPS cap: UT2004 uses 1000/x caps by default (..., 125, 142, 166, 200, 250, 333, ...). After Windows 7, Microsoft broke the sleep(1) function in the kernel which also broke the FPS cap, resulting in constant "seesawing" between caps, which is why you may want to use UT2004.exe instead of ut2004-win64.exe if you want an accurate frame cap on newer Windows. UT2004.exe is the patched version from aldehir which fixes the FPS cap and has higher precision timing, letting you set it to whatever you want.
To change the FPS cap, simply paste into the console (`) while not connected to a server: set engine.levelinfo maxclientframerate 240. To see what FPS your game is running at, type stat fps in the console. You can also type getcurrenttickrate to get the exact frame rate at that moment. The 64-bit binary will only cap FPS while connected to a server, as the offline cap is exclusive to aldehir's patch which adds that functionality.

You're just larping anyway so there's not much of a point in trying to prove you wrong beyond this. You will lie to protect a multi billion dollar corporation that is paying you $0 to try to own some guy who has talked about the pros and cons of both systems. You only care about your "side" not the actual merits of anything.

Windows: If things need to be fixed by the "community" they are distributed in a manner that assumes the consumer of said fixes is a braindead monkey. It just works because they assume you cannot read.

Linux: The "community" assumes you are an enthusiast and also competent. They give you the tools and some basic instructions about what they do and let you figure it out from there. It's like an IQ test and many people fail it.

>>107679630
>1 website goes down
>can't install software
Is that "1 website" the arch wiki?
Because I'm pretty sure if that goes down, most of the linux ecosystem is caught in the crossfire.

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>>107681722
>Tinkertrannying requires high IQ

>>107681736
A higher IQ than most "give me exe" Windows users possess.

>>107681741
And you assume this on what basis?

>>107681751
On the basis of what happens when they don't get that exe.

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>>107681659
lol damn, broken fps cap and broken multitexturing? they work fine here ootb in linux

>>107681736
the jokes write themselves
lincucks users proven autistic retards once again

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>>107681736
just a lukewarm IQ, meanwhile windows users are like:

>>107681789
a frustrated end user is your fault

>>107681819
Mfs can't even run a python script lmao

>>107681835
This is why Linux is so underdeveloped to the point where it can't even run a 2 year old program without workarounds

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>>107681861
It's not hard. The average Windows user is just dumb. Before I switched to Linux I had already installed python and knew how to install packages with pip. It's not like this is a Linux exclusive skill. It's just one that some people are too dumb to figure out.

>>107681835
>>107681871
To be fair, dependency management with python is absolute ass. Numerous times I've tried to just pip requirements.txt and discover later, no, I had to manually install shit because the wheels are broken for certain environments or I needed a certain build for CUDA integration or it depended on a certain version of Python that was never explicitly stated or...

>be a guixer
>2 websites go down
>spend a week recompiling GCC and its' dependencies

>>107681886
You're not wrong about this and I've had issues with it too. But this is a cross platform complaint. An issue I ran into more than once was python/pip not being in PATH on Windows and needing to fix it. I had to deal with that myself and help a friend deal with it.

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>>107679630
Thats the biggest flaw of this hobby os. On a normal operating systems like Windows, you can just back up all programs as exe or msi installers on a usb stick and install it without asking anyone or anything for permission. Meanwhile under troonix one tranny just needs to take down the repo to render this tranny operating system unusable.

>>107681897
I feel like Linux brings a special level of hell to this, though, because many distros run Python for operating system code. But that code is also pinned to a very specific Python version, and shit's fucked if you accidentally mess with it.
I've wrecked VM images more than once by fucking it up.
Anyways, I'm not here to defend retards posting shit like this >>107681789 on repositories. They wandered into the wrong gated community and rightly get shown the door.

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>>107681861
that's not true, here's a game i downloaded 5 years ago (might be older), and it installs and works ootb without needing any other steps

>>107681886
most of my time spent getting comfyui working was spend just learning how python packages worked. as a gentoo user, i vastly prefer native packages, so my first install i insisted on all-native packages, no pip. i got it working, but it did require me making a number of packages myself. i've since moved to just installing native packages of the "big stuff" like torch and making a venv that uses system packages where available

>>107681929
You're supposed to use shit like pyenv to deal with that. I'm just too lazy though. Maybe one day I'll trash my system and learn my lesson.

>>107679770
TSMT, stallman is an evil communist kike.

>>107681940
idc what Stallman is. I'll use free Linux stuff with all the jank it comes with over bloated shitware jeets keep breaking.

>>107681938
Yes, I know how virtual environments work. In fact, I had a line about that in there originally but cut it out because I started meandering.
My personal hell was one of the dependencies (sentencepiece iirc) for the Florence computer vision model, because it just fucking would not install properly. I had to experiment with various virtual environment projects to even find one that worked.

>>107681932
I am guessing that xhe meant a LINUX program, and he would probably be right in this case. Try running any linux-tailored program or utility that is not actually mainstream and well-established, that is 2+ years old. Windows program will obviously run well because someone out there was paid enough to make it run well indefinitely.
>>107681951
evil communist kike that freetards worship. I find it funny that they brag about muh freedom, yet this fat commiepedotroon is obsessed about making people take the jab, wear the mask and be barely homeless PoS like he is, which is well, not very pro-freedom if you ask me.

>>107681924
>ask for permission
But I thought Linux was heckin' free and decentralized?

>>107681964
I have an issue on a server at work with pysocks. I forgot about it for a long time because I gave up on trying to switch it but I ran into it yesterday. Not even going to bother fixing it lmao.

>>107681966
>I am guessing that xhe meant a LINUX program
that is a linux program

>>107681975
It's python. It can run on Windows or Linux or Mac or other operating systems too. I bet I could get it going on my Android phone with Termux.

loonixtards constantly have to throw this "i'm smart/they're dumb" ad hominem , as if it's even smart to waste time on manual labor on things that just work in Windows
"average windows user is dumb", no, the average computer user is dumb, and smart people managing those average users keep them away from loonix because it's an endless timesink where everything barely works

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>>107681951
not even once

>>107681985
in that post i showed a video installing and running a linux game, and replied to a post about python in general. i didn't comment on that sherlock program specifically

>>107681988
If you want us not to look down on the average Windows user approach these conversations like you aren't a complete retard. Strip out the gay console war tribal homo shit and discuss things strictly on their technical merits. Validate your usecase. That's how you'll get my respect.

>>107681932
this game runs on a runtime and brings it's own dependencies but i wouldn't expect a lintroon to actually understand technology

>>107681988
>loonixtards constantly have to throw this "i'm smart/they're dumb" ad hominem
Yes, because they just Dunning-Krugered themself into thinking that they supposedly know more about computers because they use operating system that tends to needlessly complicate every minor task. The best part of that is that half of them have absolutely no idea about stuff like computer networking (they solely believe that you will get magic internet aids after connecting old windows to the internet), and would literally rope without all the pajeet linux tutorials that someone prepared for them already.
>the average computer user is dumb, and smart people managing those average users keep them away from loonix because it's an endless timesink where everything barely works
TSMT

>>107681992
What do I care if jeets use it? It's not H1B made corposlop.

>>107682006
>it ships with libraries
so do windows games

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>>107682027
>winjeet this, pajeetsoft that
>*gets confronted with the fact that statistically more than half of all linux users are indians*
>uh-oh, w-what do I care?

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>>107682039
Again. What do I care? Should I also buy an iPhone because Android is popular in India? I can make fun of H1B jeet coders working for Microsoft but ultimately the issues run deeper than that.

>>107682027
You think all those jeets are end users?
Every linux codebase has plenty of pajeets in it, along with a sea of tranny pedophiles

>winfag: says some bullshit
>gets proven wrong
>so anyway i changed the topic

>>107682062
I don't care as long as what I am getting is functional. That's not the case for Windows these days unless I jump through hoops and run outdated shit. There's no future in it. When I buy new hardware can I expect the suppliers to prioritize my LTSC install?

>>107682069
Then why do you highlight the fact that windows is being "broken" by jeets? If you didn't care you wouldn't mention them

>>107681967
Well, its not. Its a tranny psyop to allow trannies to control regular people and groom them into becoming tranny plebbitors.
>>107682062
TSMT
>>107682069
>Thats not the case for Windows
My daily driver runs XP SP3 and my secondary, new machine runs 10 LTSC. Both work much better than any troonix distro can.
>unless I jump through hoops
modern windows, even Windows 11, requires precisely 1 hoop to make it usable without M$ account (either use rufus or typing one command in the terminal during installation) and will save you the time of doing 20 different workarounds to make your computer usable under troonix. On LTSC releases you dont even have to do that at the first place. Sure, it won't be nearly as great as XP, but its usable enough to get something done and call it a day.
>outdated shit
outdated proprietary software still mogs modern FOSS troonware
> There's no future in it.
said linux tranny with ~3% of global desktop marketshare
>When I buy new hardware can I expect the suppliers to prioritize my LTSC install?
LTSC is binary identical to stock windows except that it doesn't nag you with microsoft faggotry.

>>107682097
Well think of it like this. Windows is being broken by jeets. You mention but jeets use/work on Liinux too! I say they're not breaking Linux and it's not an unusable shitheap so I don't care. Then you get lost in the weeds since you've drifted from the original topic, Windows being a fucking piece of shit, into what jeets use. You latched onto the pajeet part of it ignoring that Windows is in the shitter.

>>107682109
That's great use whatever works for you. Make sure to use it to spend many more hours of your life arguing with strangers about how it's much better than what they use. When your life is over and you go before God to answer for what you've done in life I'm sure you're going to have no regrets.

windows users like to forget that they already spent the time learning how to use windows well

>>107682114
Juse use google translate you retarded ESL

>>107682140
English is my first language. I'm sorry that you struggle with reading comprehension. If my post seems like it's difficult to follow it's because it's lining out your own logic or lack thereof so of course it's going to sound a bit retarded.

>>107682114
incomprehensible