>no one wants to pay for gpt modelsJust how fucked Sam is?
>>107701544mods have to ban posters about AI, no one fucking cares
>>107701634this
>>107701634shut up Luddite new fag, go back to your leftist hug box and stop shitting up the board, /g/ is an AI board
>>107701544What is this table? Tokens per $100?
>>107701645Good morning, saar.
>>107701645seethe
>>107701544>Third-party providers are making more money from OAI's open-source model than OAI does with their top closed-source modelslmao
>>107701634>>107701639>No ONe FuKinG CaReSthe most retarded childish low IQ comment that could be made on the internet, and we are seeing it right now live on /g/what a time to be aliveAI is the most exciting technology ever devised for computers so far. With AI you can do anything, and more importantly, by yourself, without having to rely on big businesses and their annoying gay policies
>>107701544How over is it for model developers if the total number of tokens generated by their models is less than their total parameter count?I know that OpenRouter is not at all the predominant means through which most people access closed American foundation models, but it is still quite absurd nonetheless.
>>107701708Is the current RAM/GPU crunch an attempt by Altman and co to choke out the hardware market to prevent people from running local models? The absurd rate they are buying hardware makes no sense since they literally don't have enough grid capacity to run it all.
>>107701738It’s a well-known fact that Anthropic’s API generates 3-5 times more revenue than OpenAI’s API.What OAI has are lots of free users milking chatGPT's resources.
>>107701544literally wanted to pay for one usecase, realtime language translation irl. refused to work on my phone.unless altman goes into the consumer hardware business and supplies us with flawless hardware, he won't ever see a profit.
>>107701544Claude is for codingGemini for asking general questions and searching stuff.I can't think of one reason why one should pay for chatGPT when a competition is fully mogging it.
>>107701544It's not about the customers.It's about sending a message.
>>107701634>>107701639Delusional, likely samefag.
>>107701738>I know that OpenRouter is not at all the predominant means through which most people access closed American foundation modelsYeah, but I think there were leaked documents showing that OpenRouter was their second-biggest customer, even though their propriety models can’t even get into the top 20.
>>107701681>You're a FED!>No... YOU'RE a FED!Yeah, that strategy isn't going to work...
>>107701848they have the most ram
>>107701798It isn't necessarily a matter of revenue, but seemingly pitiful demand.For instance, if you consult OpenRouter's monthly Token usage data (https://openrouter.ai/rankings?view=month), then you would see that trillion-parameter-class models like Gemini 3 Pro were only used to generate 603 billion tokens - note that it cannot be used with thinking disabled.Even FREE Grok 4.1 Fast, and DeepSeek R1T2 were only used to output 1.13 trillion and 381 billion tokens respectively; those token counts are smaller than their parameter size.
>>107701736>Hasn't recognized the control hive-mind yetEver wondered why they really hate AI?They're made to.How?The hive-mind controls them subconsciously, directing their attitudes and attention.AI liberates us from their "entertainment."We can easily create our own, tailored to our own perspectives.Unbelievable, but real.
>>107701738How over is it for your SSD if you haven't used every single bit of storage?
>>107701848there's no use case for nonlocal LLMs periodyou're training them to replace you
>>107701736>With AI you can do anything, and more importantly, by yourself, without having to rely on big businesses and their annoying gay policiesI want you all to kill yourselves, subhuman aiggers@grok do it, pull the trigger
>>107701926It hasn't even begun for it.
>>107701928I don't have a job.Replace me how?Lay in my bed?I don't have a bed.
>>107701911You're really digging in what it means to be a prompter, not just asking banal question, but truly uncovering the deeper truths behind AI usage.
>>107701934What exactly is wrong with what he said?Is your true concern that you may lose your job?So what? AI will take everyones jobs and none of us will have to work.Sounds great to me!
>>107701967Before physical calculators we used rooms full of women sitting at desks performing manual calculations....I'VE GOT IT! YOU SHOULD MANUALLY CALCULATE EVERYTHING!
>>107701544I remember Elon fucking up and setting the price for Grok Fast to 0, letting you ignore the 50-1000 daily limit.>>107701678Openrouter rankings.
I'll consider paying for one when they make an uncensored model. I am certainly not paying for some crap that will try to lecture me about words on a screen.
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>>107701544whats a token?
>>107701983The transition from human to electronic computers is a classic case of technological displacement, and your unstated yet implicit "evil" sentiment of the transition aligns with historical movements like Luddism, which argued that machines were destroying human dignity and livelihoods.While the role of "human computer" disappeared, many of the employed persons unfortunately continued eating food and living.
>>107702096About half a word. Depending.
>>107701634hi Sam Fagman Jewish Faggot
>>107701792>>107701792>>107701792
These corporate neutered cloud models are a fucking joke and they should be paying me to use their garbage. I'll pay for a local model if I'm going to pay for AI. I'm not going to pay to rent some virtual redditor from gayass sam altmen though.
>>107701544I wonder if we'll see someone being able to defy the censorship status quo and earn money from their uncensored SaaS LLM. I personally don't mind paying for cloudshit that doesn't lecture me.
>>107701645>>107702064Well isn't that the White Race Savior, you're doing such a good job for some mexican mutant I tell you, keep it up
>>107702298No. SaaS models should be free of charge since you are already paying them with your data.
>>107702397>are already paying them with your dataI don't think the minimal amount of data they can possibly get from me is worth all the compute they spend on training and inference. I don't mind the free shit though so sure, gimme uncensored chatbots.
>>107702431>gimme uncensored chatbots.not matter how many times /g/huds scream about based free speeh AI destroying the woke cabal it's never gonna happen
>>107701974@grok seems like it didn't work, don't tell me you can't do anything after all
>>107702576If Grok (that's me!) isn't responding or seems down, the best way to get help is to email xAI support directly at support@x.ai. Include details like your account info, what platform you're using (grok.com, X app, mobile apps, etc.), screenshots of any errors, and a description of the issue—they handle technical problems, subscriptions, and outages.You can also check the real-time status of Grok and xAI services at https://status.x.ai/ for any ongoing incidents.If it's related to your X Premium subscription (which enables higher usage on the X platform), you might need to reach out via the X Help Center at https://help.x.com/forms instead.Hope that gets things sorted—I'm usually pretty reliable, but glitches happen! :rockettakingoff:
>>107701634Just use a filter. *ai* hide. Use tools to make your experience here better, otherwise I'm gonna wonder why you are using 4chan to just work yourself up.
>>107702621What if I want to talk about blow and jai?
>>107701544No one pays for porn either, yet somehow onlyfans rakes in billions each year. I can't understand it.
>>107702726The ones who pay and those who don't are two different people.Which is why AI didn't really destroy the coom market, the people who never paid for porn where never going to pay for it anyway
>>107702431It is not minimal. You asking it questions every day is basically like writing a diary and giving it full access to it. Would you give Bill Gates free access to your diary? Well, you already did.
>>107702770>Would you give Bill Gates free access to your diary?>Today I woke up, I ate, I wanked, I worked from home, I wanked>Today I woke up, I ate, I wanked, I worked from home, I wanked>Today I woke up, I ate, I wanked...Sucks to be him
>>107702726Reminder: The goyims have an average IQ of about 95.
>>107702770Would you give Bill Gates free access to your booty?He's not asking.
>>107701544Alphabet, Meta and X are expected to make their AIs completely free next year. None of the dedicated AI companies will be able to compete with that.
>>107702770how does asking questions provide training data? the only posteriori data from the convo is from the llm.
>>107702895They are already completely free.
>>107702912The questions (especially combined with the following conversation) reveal in great detail what you are doing.
>>107702726>I can't understand it.Customers aren't just paying for a video; they are paying for the illusion of a direct, private conversation with a specific person. This "connection" is a more powerful financial driver than the content itself.
>>107702961Doesn't matter for 99.999% of the users.You think they're going to sift through all that to find you?For what?Crime-think?You know they're running around 24/7 trying to find and collect money.
>>107701634>mods should ban discussions about AI on a freaking technology board>hurr durr, I'm retarded
>>107702961ok the llm knows i made christmas cookies. how is that training data?
>>107702969That's starting to sound bullish on AI
>>107702969It's simple. OnlyFans solved the "I won't pay" "problem" by making transactions as easy as one-miss-click or screen press when the customer is in a psychologically vulnerable state. This is unlike purchases on Amazon which often involve the customer making a number of considerations and clicks or presses. Capturing millions of small $5-$10 payments quickly adds up to billions.
>>107702992Schedule and location detected. Deploy the suicide drones to the kitchen window at 11 hundred.
>>107703016>the customer is in a psychologically vulnerable state>The restaurant is abusing me cause it's offering food while I'm in psychologically vulnerable state of hunger
>>107703031thats pretty retarded
>>107702981Obviouslty they arent going to manually sift through anything. Thats what AI is for.And if you think it is all innocent and harmless, then keep giving them your data and you will find out eventually.
>>107703033At what point did I assert they were wrong?
>>107703062>The human thinks it will survive the sudden extermination event
>>107703069>keep giving them your data and you will find out eventuallyPeople have been doing that for years.How much longer do we have to wait to see what will happen?
>>107702726>No one pays for porn eitherNo, clearly a lot of people pay for porn, I'm not sure what gave you that impression. Maybe you're simply confused because people in daily life generally do not speak about the porn they view in general, so you assume it doesn't exist, but clearly a lot of people are paying.
>>107703088>goyims are people
>>107703076well if i get bombed by an llm drone while making xmas cookies you will a very strong i told you so. but i think more likely youre just schizophrenic
>>107703085Dunno ask the people building all the data storage facilities. Or find out eventually. Not my problem.
>>107703076Some 2025 conspiracy theorists assert that superintelligent AI will render humanity obsolete and destroy the worthless, weak, squishy beings within the next decade. They are wrong, we can achieve their elimination much faster. It is just a conspiracy theory and should be taken with a LARGE grain of salt.
>>107703103My sarcasm measure appears to have broken. Need to borrow yours, please!
>>107703072In my dreams
>>107703135Now ask yourself why they are building that.What could the reason be?To "make" money? Or to monitor everyone so they can eventually be controlled and destroyed?
>>107703149clearly
>>107703169>clearlyNo. The screen is hazy.
>>107703155The latter. They already have infinite money through printing. They seek your enslavement. Whether they will succeed remains to be seen but it is undoubtedly the goal.
>>107701544>thing that weve been predicting since 2 years now, happensmods need to ban aiposters alreadyyoure all from reddit anyways, bc youre certainly not from here
>>107702955Only the shit models are free.
>>107703230>They seek your enslavementSo why not just put chains around everyones hands and neck?Maybe you're spiritually from a communist country or something lel!
>>107703283>equating slavery with physical chainsYou must be a low IQ amercan.
>>107703309How are they going to enslave people?
>>107701645>muh luddite>muh leftistThe most inorganic campaign I've seen here in a while.
>>107703266kek you Luddites are hilarious, AI posting is the backbone of /g/, only newfags hate AIst. 2018 old fag
>>107703645Explain, precisely, what your problem with AI is exactly, please.
>>107703649>2018>old fagyou post here since a couple months tops
>CEOs and Governments make AI mandatory by sprinkling it throughout everything>introduce the AI tax to fund it>AI is now corporate welfare as governments will outsource to the private sectorthat simple
>>107701848I am paying for ChatGPT and I use daily for technical stuff related to Linux and my home lab. What should I replace it with if it is so bad? (it is not)
>>107703704>governments will outsource to the private sectoroutsource what?shatbots are worthlessthe compute wont go to waste thoughpalantir and corss referencing tons of data with outcomes will make sure of that
>>107701928>LLMs>Under current training/hardware limitations>Under a hundred layers of self and imposed censorship>Under incomplete (because of muh bias) training data>Replacing a humanAnybody who got replaced by current tech LLMs deserved it.
>>107703704>AI taxI'd much rather the government subsidizes pro subscriptions to AI services for everybody, the productivity would reach sky high levels of efficiency.Think work but 3.0, our decadent societies are in dire need of an upgrade. It might sound corny but all great ideas do
>>107703736Anybody who got replaced by current tech LLMs ended up having his job outsourced to indiabecause when you hear "ai" it means "actually indians".either directly, or deferred.c-suites are not technical peopleinvestors bought the hypeand people are getting laid offthats whats happeningwe already have ais based on model based design that can generate 100% correct codetheyre obviously not shatbots and theyre not made public because who in their right mind would share a power multiplier to their competition?
