>>107706828
Walk me through obsidian, what's the pros and cons? How do you use it?

Coming from t. emacs and org-mode user

>>107706860
it's for trannies.
vim is all you need.

>>107706877
May you elaborate?

>>107706890
no

Secondbrain havers will inherit the earth.

>>107706828
it's now a long standing meme. (neo)vim is better. backlinks/tags/etc are all memes for noobs that can't into grep/find/fzf and other simple utils

>>107706890
can't, I'm past due for a dilation session

>>107706903
You cannot possibly be this retarded. You're literate yet so fucking braindead. How?

>>107706860
I use it to organize my thoughts. Any time I have a thought or idea I want to remember for later, I can log it into obsidian through text/audio/pictures/etc and have it act as a second brain that I can reference later, which is easy to do since you can organize it however you want. Best part is everything is saved on a local folder so I can have it sync between all of my devices without having to upload my shit to someone else's servers.

>>107706860
>pros
You get to build your own wikipedia that makes thinking and studying better. A "second brain" as the meme goes.
>cons
Its only useful if you are that kind of person that goes back to their notes at least once.
I takes time and a lot of thinking to build a good note that will be useful to you specifically.
If you fall down the plugin rabbit hole, the whole thing because a burden and your productivity goes to zero.

>>107706923
>sync between all of my devices without having to upload my shit to someone else's servers.

No! Anon, you have to rent this feature!!!! Stop it, you are hurting the share holders!!

>>107706903
If you use shell commands, why also use a display editor? Vi people confuse me, because they both act as minimalists, and fail to enact gheir minimalism entirely.

If you love shell commanda so much, just use ed
Why bother with getting a screen?

>>107706828
Using it is fun, but if you're building something that others should use, you need to also make sure others are using it.
I ran into this problem at work, I had Gitlab Pages with MKDocs for a training guide (preferred Obsidian), but other people reading the Markdown had a worse experience because they didn't have Obsidian with all the requirements. They had VSCode or simple text editors.
Because I *didn't* stovepipe my work with Obsidian, my work has gained significant traction with people that use basic Markdown implementations. And, I dodged a 40% team layoff and saved my subteam by making this decision.
If you're building for yourself, Obsidian is great. But if you're trying to build something useful (that others can use), building without dependencies is important, unless you're able to restrict others. (Especially "restrict", because your work looks terrible if dependencies aren't met.)
I'm mainly a Python developer because of its features, but I've grown wary of Python due to dependency juggling. I'd rather not force users to install certain libraries/plugins. The "pure" solutions can sometimes take more time, but sometimes, they work just as well!

zettelkastens are busywork

>>107706964
based.

echo "note: dl many tb's of tranny porn" >> todo.list
echo "note: touch little kids" >> todo.list
echo "install arch" >> todo.list

>>107706923
I expect my gangstalkers to do this for me (they can read thoughts)

>>107706860
pros: nothing
cons: proprietary

>>107706828
Obsidian mcp with claude desktop is pretty fresh

I really wish that shit was open sourced though and it didnt pidgeon hole http requests

>>107706986
Having others use it seems like a weird use case. This seems more like a personal use kind of program in the same vein as a diary. For others to use it effectively, they'd have to use it on their own.

meh
text file(s)
a code editor
some flavor of dropbox to read and edit on the go
(you) dont need more

>>107707016
it IS personal use, if you need to share you either set up something like a private wiki instance or just suck it up and use the barely functional normieware your colleagues already use

>>107707016
It's not weird. I work for a support team that does various development. When you build solutions, you also have to build usage guides and training. (Users are ******always****** retarded even with the simplest tools.) You'll get screamed at if you use anything more technical than a PDF, not joking. Retards fucking love their PDFs. So building the "base" implementation ensures the widest adoption. That's a lesson I learned the hard way when I tried to do basic MKDocs stuff, I had to "serve people that don't use your tools", so I reduced my dependencies to the minimums and standardized the platform with a VM.

TLDR: In the real world, if you can build a great product that includes retards, retards will shill your product to others, widening adoption. Retards have been my strongest advocates. Sell to retards but make a great product. AKA: don't hide in dependency hell.

>>107706860
Emacs and org-mode is likely at least as good as Obsidian

Notes are easily organized and stored in .md, so it'll be a usable format for decades.
Text editor approach beats OneNote's clunky formatting.
Their own sync feature is paid, and can be worth it if you already use it a lot. I use SyncThing instead. My PC is the main system. It syncs perfectly with my android phone and macbook. I used Google Keep for the longest time, and still do, for immediate notes and reminders. Obsidian is best for writing your text for longer term data storage, whatever it might be. With AI being the hot new thing, I think it makes a lot of sense. Write a lot, store a lot, use AI to do whatever work you want.

I just use notepad++

>>107706923
The local syncing feature is something emacs can have given you know how to establish a system of file transfer, make solutions out of git repos stored on personal devices.'

But still powerful feature
>>107706931
>A "second brain" as the meme goes
A network of notes is easy to do with emacs as well, but file sync is nontrivial

I prefer to study with pen and paper, and I record notes in my diary, but if I wasn't invested in physical writinf I could see myself using this editor

>If you fall down the plugin rabbit hole, the whole thing because a burden and your productivity goes to zero.
Emacs shares this problem also.

I guess the only difference is that in obsidian there is an established paradigm of interconnected notes, which seems to be useful in a lot of applications. I heard some people use it as a wiki, and I have often thought of starting MediaWikis but felt hesitant to because we're all on our phones and MediaWiki by default is difficult with that, not to mention the responsibilities of a webserver's maintenance, etc.

It tickles my desire for a peer-to-peer network of information between friends that runs with as little resources as possible. Any success in that effect?
>>107706986
I see...

>>107706828
>closed source
goy shit

>>107707086
General disdain for the unfamiliar

>>107706988
If this is one after the other, you are retarded
Otherwise... its acceptable

>>107707166
EXACTLY. I've worked in my job for almost 4 years. I'm a "data scientist" with a master's degree in data analytics. Our dedicated "data science team" (not me; I was doing those "dumb tools" solutions) was 100% laid off because their excellent machine learning work was ignored over lack of usage and lack of interest. Pandering hurts the soul but it keeps income flowing. Once you understand this, you'll keep your job and keep your popularity. I've never discussed a single p-value, t-test, etc because no one wants to hear it. Keeping quietly passionate has been enough entertainment for me.

>>107706923
I have a proposal that a second brain might actually be a bad thing. The second brain is where you dump shit to clear it out of your actual brain which gives you the pass to completely forget it. Over time you have a massive backlog of ideas that are never realized and disappear forever into your horde of text documents. It's unhealthy to train your brain to do this.

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>>107706828
Warning! This is a closed source app, I repeat, closed source! Please cut off any internet access from the app. Only normal fags use google or apple (proprietary) to take notes, jerking off, boring day, shopping list... like wtf, do you really want others to look at it? Wigger you are on /g/, you should know better.

>>107707284
It doesn't even connect to the internet unless you specifically look up plugins or use their sync`

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>>107706877
>>107706890
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>>107707293
And I bet you trust microsofts privacy toggles, right? Sorry, but if you have to hide your code for a fucking note taking app, that LLMs can write in seconds, I don't know what to say.

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>>107707296
Thanks for the shoutout, anon.

>>107707308
Web traffic is easy to monitor you know

>>107706828
I wish I was dead

>>107707245
Hurts to know you're not the only person who's had to pick between their job and their integrity.

Try to find a way to do your job to the greatest extent that you can without entering the will of people. And if you do, learn to persuade them. Never stand against them.

Doing your job well is what makes the money you get rightfully yours. It is easier done than said, but must happen.

I wish you the best of luck.

>>107707313
Sorry, I don't want to do that for every obsidian update. If it's so easy, can you show us the Wireshark output while using Obsidian on a default install? This app is probably good, but why do these devs need to be proprietary? They arent apple, "free" apps with proprietary licenses, baka...

>>107707260
I feel its not really meant to be a backlog. More like a personal encyclopedia that you can easily reference at any given moment. If you get it organized the way you like it, you can easily go back to any thought you wanted to reference, and entering in the info yourself gives you a more personal attachment to it which in turn makes it easier to remember.

>>107707340
I don't think I've updated it once since installing it lmao. Its not some kind of live-service thing.

>>107707355
Okii anon, sorry for being rude. I'm just a gnutard/freetard fag. I don't want to force my believes on you, I just wanted to let you know, that I PERSONALLY would prefer an open sauce app, for that usecase. much love <3

>>107707368
Fair enough. Cheers

note taking: obsidian with vim keybindings
coding: an actual IDE
modifying config files and doing server stuff: vi

>>107707002
they are not your friend anon. please don't forget that. i made that mistake and am paying a grave price for it.
if you find yourself in a hotel or apartment and weird stuff starts happening from across the walls or ceiling or floor, get out. especially vegas or paraguay or tallahassee.

>>107707354
The zettelkasten technique is autism when applied to anything that isn't a bounded research project
Luhmann's forgotten rule is that if you can't publish it then it doesn't belong, his notes were constantly pruned, reorganised, and rewritten, otherwise it's just a well organised but ultimately worthless junk drawer

>>107707482
>his notes were constantly pruned, reorganised, and rewritten
There's nothing stopping you from doing this with digital notes

>>107707490
Indeed, but exactly zero second brain advocates actually do that, they just leave their nonsense to accumulate in their vault, and occasionally look at their tree diagram to activate the neuron that likes looking at it
The entire point of a zettelkasten is that it is constantly in flux as you interrogate it, add to it, and rewrite it, which is precisely why it's best use (by far) is as an aid to research on a specific topic

>>107707513
Why does other people's use of a tool make that tool "autism"? Seems like more of a problem with them rather than the tool.

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Why the fuck is Obsidian so popular? If you want a shitty proprietary app then use Evernote or whatever.

If you're not already ingrained in the Emacs ecosystem using Org-mode, then why not just use picrel?

>>107706890
>May you elaborate?
According to /g/, any tech introduced after 2010 is inherently for trannies

>>107707558
Systems that promise complete control generally fail under their own weight, the only worthwhile use of the zettelkasten is in a specific interrogation because it's intended to be a living system
Pretending that you can maintain, actually use, and get any benefit from a general purpose zettelkasten with 200k notes on every topic you ever think about for five seconds is exactly the kind of pie in the sky thinking that autists can't recognise as unsustainable and ultimately pointless

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Longtime obsidian user that actually uses it for serious notetaking every single day, and actually has to refer to those notes and access them efficiently so I am not just a 'productivity larper' like most people. Yes the graph view is a mega gimmick, hyperlinking notes is kind of useful.

I've done a lot of engagement with the science of learning especially through people like Justin Skycak, so that's what I base my note-taking system on. It's heavily inspired by the concept of 'incremental reading/writing' championed by remnote.

I only use three plugins, excalidraw for writing graphs for math classes and the daily notes/calender plugins so that everyday I can just click to the empty daily note template. and the anki plugin.

Everything I write gets a 'quality/urgency' property so it can be triaged later. It doesn't reach the higher levels of quality unless I convert all the information inside into anki notes. The only way that things stay in your mind is through active recall, so the only thing that matters is digesting information into an active recall system.

Somethings you learn are naturally subject to active recall, if you program everyday your mind will naturally be forced to recall the concepts and techniques you previously learned. Everything I write down is forced into anki so I will be forced to remember it for the rest of my life. Making knowledge into anki notes is the only thing that matters at all.

>>107706828
use case for typing text into md files?

>>107706920
not an argument

>>107706964
i sent a personal limit for myself as far as minimalism goes. neovim is sufficient.

>>107706860
it's like a significantly less powerful mashup of org-mode + org-roam + org-ql + org-appear + org-modern + org-transclusion, but for markdown. unlike org, it can only be used for notes, and not say, to build agenda, planning, project management or stuff like publishment, or literate programming. it also scales like shit.

the only real use I've found for it is for my GURPS game