>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEPost build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use casesState BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped>CASEmATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8>CPUGaming: 9/7600X, 7800X3D, 9800X3D-Budget:7500FWorkstation: 9950XPremium: 9950X3D*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5*On Raptor Lake microcode updates should be considered mandatory, avoid second-hand*Prices have increased for Raptor Lake processors, only worth considering if discounted or if reusing DDR4. New DDR5 builds should be AM5 or LGA1851>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67TIM: MX-7, MX-4, Duronaut, *PTM 7950, Kryosheet*Most listings online are not actually 7950>RAMDDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AM5)Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget.), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)>SSD (Keep firmware updated)Budget: SN7100, NM790High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)Premium: SN8100https://borecraft.com/>GPUBudget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8GB*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080pMidrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 9070High End : 9070xtWorkstation: 5090>PSUBuying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>MONITOR1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X71440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), ASUS XG27AQWMG (WOLED)4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMidrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
>News & RumorsMemory situation unlikely to get better until at least 2027RTX 50 Super, 2026 launch? Potentially cancelled, likely q3 if still being releasedNova Lake 2026Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"Micron consumer memory and storage (Crucial) is no moreNvidia reducing production of 50 series gpus next year (https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/nvidia-plans-heavy-cuts-to-gpu-supply-in-early-2026/)>PSU Reviewshttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplieshttps://www.lttlabs.com/https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-suppliesFor tier-list enjoyers:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/>Storage Reviewshttps://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.htmlhttps://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSDhttps://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews>Monitor Hunterhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/>Other helpful LinksMobomaps, currently only lists a selection of AM5 boards but is being actively updated : https://mobomaps.com/A PC build guide : https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PCGerman autism : https://www.igorslab.de/en/Monitor reviews : https://www.rtings.com/Leave any constructive suggestions for edits to the op. Is slowly being worked on.Previous: >>107736246
you should get a job and help your parents support you nicotroon, they're gonna die one day then what?
>>107738468then he'll take his inheritance and finally buy a 5070ti strix of course
>>107738468Again I already said this last thread I'm literally at work right now working a 12 hour shift dumbass. I sit in the hospital watching people all day and scrolling instagram and get paid 7 dollars above minimum wage for it.
>>107738501You're schizophrenic. There is no mention of politics or anything in the OP or thread until you brought it up. Get a life
>>107738501>>107738512the real sticky:>>107738501this is the real sticky:>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICEPost build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use casesState BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped>CASEmATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8>CPUGaming: 9/7600X, 7800X3D, 9800X3D-Budget:7500FWorkstation: 9950XPremium: 9950X3D*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5*On Raptor Lake microcode updates should be considered mandatory, avoid second-hand*Prices have increased for Raptor Lake processors, only worth considering if discounted or if reusing DDR4. New DDR5 builds should be AM5 or LGA1851>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67TIM: MX-7, MX-4, Duronaut, *PTM 7950, Kryosheet*Most listings online are not actually 7950>RAMDDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AM5)Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget.), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)>SSD (Keep firmware updated)Budget: SN7100, NM790High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)Premium: SN8100https://borecraft.com/>GPUBudget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8GB*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080pMidrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 9070High End : 9070xtWorkstation: 5090>PSUBuying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/>MONITOR1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X71440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), ASUS XG27AQWMG (WOLED)4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansMidrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)
>>107738501>make all your technical decisions on scientific meriti bought a 14900k even though error lake and ryzen existed already because estrogen cores offend me less than chiplets. I'm going to stay monolithic for as long as possible because i hate shitlets. Not so scientific now huh
>>107738521this but I got a 10900k instead because estrogen cores are gay
>>107738530based but rocket lake >
>>107738521enjoy your /pcbg/, anon.
i can always turn the estrogen cores on the 14900k off, then it's a proper white man's cpu just like the 10900k/11900k.
>>107738558speaking of p-core onlywhere the hell is bartlett 12P???
>>107738558are there performance gains to be had when turning off the e-cores? sorry for the noob question but i don't have any CPU with e-cores.
>>107738584For me no, i actually benefit from the estrogen cores because my use case is heavily threaded. Even for lightly threaded tasks, i don't see any difference with e-cores enabled or not. Scheduling issues they once created seem basically fixed as of today. There may be some fringe cases where it's better to disable them (aside from the obvious avx512 utilization) but i dont know.
>>107738584nah there isn'tthere's at least some performance to gain by disabling HT but not from disabling the e-cores.
>>107738577i thought that was embedded onlybut yeah seems cancelled
>>107738445OP, have you noticed you are posting only AMD stuff??did you mistakenly copy and paste that shit from a troll thread?
>>107738635any newfag who isnt smart enough to see the extreme amd bias deserves to be hoodwinkedit's like an iq test to enter the thread, pass nicotroon's riddleor the 4 ton gate from zoldyck manner in hunterxhunter
>>107738635kek>>107738501
and yes i realize i accidentally speedtyped manner instead of manornot a word ive used hardly ever
Never in my life I've wanted a minimum wage job this much before Anything to get that ddr5 ram
>>107738649geei'd pay her $15,000 just to let me bury my face in her armpits until i was satisfied
>>107738643Is that nigga still writing new chapters or is he gonna die before we get a proper ending
>>107738649did she just call taiwan a country? REEEE
>>107738657Holy shit nigga legitimately how ugly are you to be down this bad
>>107738675is that a succubus
>>107738675bro just knows his kinks and indulges himself
>>107738534rocket lake memory controller seems annoying as hell to deal with>>107738584no, the thread director is a little too eager to use the E-cores at idle but you can change this setting to make windows strictly prioritize the P-cores
I never owned an Intel desktop before, so I thought about going with them, but the latest generations seem to have their problems. But so does AMD. Does it really matter which I pick at this point?Is Intel the only ones that can do thunderbolt/usb-c connection still? It was something like that, but it may have just been on laptops.( I only remember when it was a Mac thing but I've seen it talked about on laptops.)
Any reason why I shouldn't get this instead of a Ryzen?
>>107738695trukehttps://files.catbox.moe/eqow8n.jpg
>>107738703have you asked nicotroon for consent first?
>>107738695Nah I think bro might look like mutant if he needs to pay that much for things pretty girls do for free
>>107738702amd can do thunderbolt 3 with usb4 on all x870 boardsi'd still recommend amd because am5 is still not finished and will be getting zen6 and maybe zen7 too which will let you upgrade for cheap in the future
is a lower base clock a deal breaker? also are asrock gpus ok? I know asrock mobos are bad right now or something
>>107738718>amd cpus>cheap
>>107738718Only on the x870 boards? So Intel is still making a new mobo configuration every second? Maybe I'll just stick to AMD then.
>>107738732intel changes every 2 gens, it makes shit more streamlined.I like it, prevent shitshows like picrel.
>>107738717ok rico suave save some pussy for the rest of us
>>107738724Upgrading to zen7 a few years from now will be cheaper than having to buy a new good 500 dollar z board for shintels latest dead socket. Cope ultra or 12th to 14th gen will be a dogshit buy long term
>>107738741What the hell
>>107738732yeah intel has basically abandoned lga1851 already by only planning to refresh arrowlake which is the same core architecture as the current cpus, just overclocked.the next hotness is lga1954 which is expected to host 3 generations of cpus starting from late 2026>Only on the x870 boards? and x870e. those are guaranteed to support usb4 while older x670e boards may or may not have it
>>107738703>4 years old >dead socket>estrogen cores>20mb L3 cache
>the two most reliable and popular hardware stores in Poland (xkom/komputronik) price the 5090 Astral at close to around $4700 already>RAM is already fucking everyone in the ass so I'm too late on that as well>I wanted to buy an entire new rig (without a monitor/peripherals but still) in a month or two>prices may rise even morewhat the fuck do I do
>>107738744There's more than enough pretty pussy for everyone, the thing here is can you get it without directly spending $$$ for it
>>107738760time to find a new hobby broor if you don't want to give up pc gaming, look into alternatives like midrange pcs, handhelds or something
>>107738445is this not a /g/ board? being a janny for /g/ must be a shit job.i have no problem with being world aware unlike the average /noob/ that wanders in here but /g/ is not the place for this. i mean, it's right on the front page. thats why /pol/ and /b/ exist, take your shitposting over there.but misleading /noobs/ with a brand war by hijacking a long-lived thread is just the shittiest thing for their shekels. /pcbg/ is about all the panic over shit that is rapidly unobtanium for stock and pricing reasons and how to destroy various things by overclocking or fat-fingering your 12VHPWR connector (no really we love that here, post pics).>my spare sheckels got sucked out of my wallet for RAM last month>/waitfagging/ did not pay off for me>too late for anons, sales stocks low, prices jumping
>>107738760you're part of the crowd that i was part of when crypto/covid hit. Sorry bro it's not gonna get better any time soon.You can bite that bullet now and accept the pain, bite it later when it hurts even more, or enter ultimate waitfag mode for a few years until shit settles down.
>>107738772I already only play indie shit (AAA slop is awful for the most part) but I wanted to give VR, especially modded, a chance. Figured if I wanted to go into VR I may as well splurge on the best headset and the best hardware and also use it as a workstation. I have the money for it but it just doesn't seem worth it to get THIS fucked in the ass.>>107738779I'll need to think it through, but unless I find some kind of a cheap deal on a sale/random coupon that reduces the current prices by 30%, I will just stick to my 1080 instead. Worst thing is that 1080 would probably be fine for another year or two if these fucking retards didn't make RTX mandatory on some games I'm interested in.
>>107738799here's an idea, if you haven't bought anything yet, consider a prebuilt. You can get something pretty well specced for around 2k usd still (no idea what that is in eurodollars) talkin 5070 ti, zen 4 or zen 5 x3d and at least 32gb of ram. This is probably the last chance though or maybe they're all already gone....?
>>107738778Just report for instigating flamewar and move on, nothing will change tho, nicotroon who should be called watamotetroon now will get banned, the thread won't get nuked, and she'll evade ban next day, it don't matter Also if you care so much maybe try making the OP next time
>>107738764its a hell of a lot faster and more likely to happen when you throw money at it
>>107738799if it makes you feel any betterpicrel is why you don't want a 5090
>>107738810i think im the only one who ever posted watamote and im not nicotroon. Not even brown or canadian.
>>107738755Yes, but the closest priced Ryzen is the 5600x at $210, which is a downgrade from the 12600kf. I'm not buying anything AM5 because of the price of RAM.
>>107738812Ok mutant
>>107738831that isn't me either lolI'm the eve multiboxing schizo with a 14900k and 5080nicotroon's worst nightmare
>>107738831you called?
>>107738810>report for instigating flamewar and move oncheck>nothing will change thokek>it don't matterroger that>care so much maybewhateva, idk. i watch amused as 4chins winds on it's merry way, as long as anons get /PCBG/ jollies IDGAF about much else.
>>107738814I'd obviously undervolt it or whatever the hell anons recommend doing in these threads (I think Astral is also recommended due to being better at safeguarding voltages? Haven't done the research yet though), plus there's always warranty as a saving grace.>>107738808Yeah, I see one already with a 5090 that's a bit cheaper than building one myself, but I don't know if I trust prebuilts to not use dogshit parts. I think I'm just gonna waitfag or accept that I'm fucked as people recommend.
>>107738840Yoooooo
>>107738445When were getting pico nano meter transister technology? I feel like nm is old news now and not worth upgrading if you're CPU has snaller transistors than 4nm.
>>107738849Alright that's fair, i've never bought a prebuilt because i hate mystery meat and knowing the build wasn't assembled with care but I do acknowledge there have been times in pc building where it was a better value to buy prebuilds than build one yourself. This is one of those times, the last one in memory was around 2020-2021.Have you considered that you probably don't need a 5090? Get a 5080 or even a 4090 and spend the money saved towards ram and ssd and whatnot...
>>107738810>>107738819remember the /rules/, anons, no announce, keep it cleanjust /pcbg/ as usual.
>>107738819I'm sorry, nicotroon has me going schizo >>107738845Let's just call it a night grandpa, it's 4am for us anyways
>>107738890Saying that a post should reported for x reason doesn't equal announcing a report, anon... and if the jannies ban me for doing that is just evade it because that's some bs
>experts predict RTX 5090 price will go up to $5k by the end of the yearYou did buy, right?
>>107738831ok man, have it your way. he's a mutant.fell better now?
>>107738879>5080probably the worst --80 series ever released by Nvidia>4090would have to not get jewed on and buy from a 3rd party reseller or used, and that's risky as wellBut yeah, I'll consider all options before I finally press buy.
>>107738702just go to a big box store and play with the /compooters/ there instead of posting a larp on a mongolian frogposting board.
>>107738840Raph is on the juice
>>107738703yes, you don't know how to post a question about /pcbg/ and probably have an amd motherboard you want to upgrade with it.
>>107738914Hell nah, no one should be mutant looking
Uuuh does this mean I can't use this ram on an amd cpu?
>>107738741>shitshowskek are you new here? did not intel just have to hold out their hat for a little change from jensen & co because of their own shitshow?don't get me wrong, intel CPUs halped me make good shekels at work, anon. intel, amd, and mac all in my house. they all make shit products. the shitshow never ends.
>>107738949all it means is that it was tested to work on intelit will still work on ryzen 99% of the time no issues
>>107738750trolled u with an old chart nigga
>>107738932what
>>107738949Just check your mobo manufacturer page. They list RAM kits they tested it with. This way you'll be 100% guaranteed it will work.
>>107738973>>107738993Thanks. One more question if you will: I found 1x32gb sticks at a pretty good price. All other combinations are out of stock. Does that mean I can buy 2 x1 sticks and they will be as good as a 2x combo? Are combo packages just marketing?
>>107738967no idea how that shitshow is like picrel but keep being 90 iq brown canadabro
Can't believe that absolute nigger just said that shit to grandpa
>>107738910my apologies for i did not recognize you as a fellow patrician /shitposter/ that you must bei should have clarified: instructions for noobs >>107738890
>>107739017intel have never had a compatibility nightmare where they had to ship free cpu's to people just so they could update their bios to a version that works on a newer cpu because they never tried to keep a socket active for an unnaturally long time.
>>107738990post a /build/ you idiot. RAM, motherboard, all thatshit in a nice pcpartpicker.com list>so other anons can tell you why it's all /wrong/
This thing in my 120mm fan broke. It still spins without hitting anything, but I removed it just in case anything bad happens over time.
>>107739006if those sticks are 6000cl30, then there can only be 1-2 types of chips used and having two will automatically be a matched pair like kits arehowever if its of a speed rating that is occupied by many types of ram chip revisions like 5600cl40 or 6000cl40, then getting two of them would be gambling since you could get a mismatched pair.
>>107739008no no, i'm the /tech/-neutral /pcbg/ shitposter, not the amdanon, no /pol/ faggotry here.all tech companies turn out shit. >i learned that right here on 4chan.
>>107739030i would find a replacement fan and keep it on hand just in case that thing starts to vibrate.
>>107739045>all tech companies turn out shit.well that much is trueIntel failing during the ridiculous tailwind that was ai bullshit hype is impressive and honestly needs to be studied tho
>>107739030Should I replace it or can I fix it?
>>107739053I would glue it
>>107739049>needs to be studiedintel is pretty good at keeping their mouths shut about internal crap, i would wager that we'll not know the truth until it becomes the dusty remains of some corporate merger.
>>107739006No get a set. They are tested together. DDR5 is made of soggy toilet paper when it comes to reliability.
>>107739048Can't I just use super glue?
>>107739073you do know you have to be 18 to post here, right? are you really asking randos on 4chan for advice on trying to glue things together? or do you expect some sort of blessing or permission or something like that?alright, here you go: https://www.thistothat.com/and buy a fan to replace your ganky-ass broken one
>>107739072>DDR5 is made of soggy toilet paperbut y tho? it's been around long enough. why so many anons report problems with interop between boards? my DDR5 is not on QVL for my mainboard but it /works/, after i built i saw i maybe got lucky with that.
>>107739101lol spaz
>>107739127I don't know other then they are trying to push speeds higher than stable, just like everything else. Tech across the board is in this stagnant state where the only option for advancement is to dump power to it and tweak the speeds beyond stability.
I don't get the doomposting. So what if ram and gpu's are expensive? Get it on credit. You don't need to pay for all of it.
>>107739171Jej
>>107739171truth fucking poor-man's rose
>>107739162>Tech across the board is in this stagnant stateyes, limited now by the physics of it, i think amd has a nice lead with the X3D stack in their CPUs, nvidia has their proposed Feynman architecture which is also stacked but is years out.
>>107739171This is good lifehack. There's no excuse to look poor.
>>107739171first world problems. debt is a shackle to poverty.
>>107739053Superglue
>>107739201unless you're actually /rich/, as PC tech went onsite to houses, some of the wealthiest people look like homeless folk to blend in with us /poors/
>>107738932No need to be hostile. My motherboard is fried so I need a new one. Wanting to upgrade from my 3600x while I'm at it, but Ryzen CPUs are too expensive for my liking right now. That 12600kf was at a great price and is apparently comparable to a 5700x3d.I have a 6700xt GPU and a 850W PSU, so I'm good there.
>>10773927412th gen is goodbonus points if you can find a used 12700k/kf for cheap
I was thinking of getting a VR headset for porn to go with my new pc...is it worth it?
AM4 won
>>107739282Should I be worried about the 4 e-cores or is that mostly a meme?
>>107739317it's just a little extra horsepowerthink of each e-core as slightly better than getting an extra thread on the p-cores
>>107739264>some of the wealthiest people look like homeless folk to blend in with us /poors/That's kinda me. I'm not a billionaire but I have enough to not understand the value of money but then I wear 15 yo shoes held together with superglue and a jacket which is falling apart where you can see holes and rips.I do this because I don't care but sometimes it's a problem. I got a S25 Ultra phone last year and wanted to see it in person first and I was asked to leave when I entered the electronics store. They thought i was a hobo who just wanted to get warm. I don't shave or cut my hair. I also rarely leave my home.
>>107739317It works as advertised
>>107739325This you?
>>107739274>12600kf was at a great price and is apparently comparable to a 5700x3dok, thats more helpful for anons - now maybe someone who knows the topic knows what you are comparing to, i never shopped a 12th gen so IDKyou didn't mention RAM, is the RAM on the old board something you want to re-use?
>>107739334Close enough.
>>107739356Yeah, it's 16gb of DDR4 RAM, it's like 6 years old; XMP is 3773mhz if that matters. I'm not paying $400+ for DDR5 RAM so AM5 is off
>>107739325>have enoughit's good to have enough, anon, it's /comfy/. if you have that you're doing better than 99%. i held on to my last system for 10 years with nominal updates and finally decide to build, RAM had already gone up but I could afford, but i know a lot of anons are screwed by the current situation in tech.
sleeping pills ain't working
>>107739400>>107739356I know 16gb is probably not gonna be enough in the future, but I can address that issue in a few years when the AI bubble finally bursts.
>>107739411Stop being stressed.
>>107739400so: you will re-use 16gb of DDR4 XMP 3773 RAM, you want to know if an 12600kf is a decent CPU choice, you compared it's performance to an 5700x3d - lets hope some rando comes along that can helpbest of luck
