Realistically, how do we fix this problem?
>>107749751>manchildren BTFO'd>AI fags BTFO'dwhat is the problem?
>>107749752AI fags win tho.
>>107749752>consumers BTFO'd >corpos not so much here's your problem
Open a daycare center.
>>107749751By bombing their datacenter
>>107749751you wait
People really should bomb datacenters in Minecraft
>>107749751even laptop ram has tripled for the same model I bought, good god, holy fucking shit
>>107749751Not my problem until something breaks.
>>107749784surprised we haven't had anti AI Luddite terrorism yet
I'm set for 10 years
>>107749751>64gb is now $500Your pic is outdates, it's now 32gb for $400The problem can't be fixed because it's a coordinated attack on 3 fronts. >current ai giants cornering the ai market by making computing too expensive for competition to appear or improve>send users to saas services with chromebook type devices for everything >convince & bribe politicians into believing it's all necessary because china will make skynet in 2 weeksMassive amount of backroom deals have been done for this exact situation to happen and it won't stop. The usual way out with cartels (one of the member break the agreement for personal gain) won't happen because the wafers are bought are inflated prices.
>>107749751>64 GB $500that's a relatively low figure, the 6000 CL30 32 GB kit I have has exactly QUINTUPLED in price from when I got it online ($88 to $440)
>>107749814Anyone still using the term 'luddite' to disparage is sub-80-IQ. The present situation fully vindicates them. The slippery slope once again proves to be a law of nature.
>>107749752Post nose
>>107749751>Realistically, how do we fix this problem?By writing software that isn't absolute dogshit. Even a 20 years old machine can already do anything worth doing on a computer with some competent programming.
>>107749867this. the judeowest is sucking an industry dry before killing it.you vill own nothing and ve happy
>still on DDR 4>Thought about upgrading it because it must be dirt cheap with everyone being on DDR 5>Prices quintupled for them tooWhat the hell, I fucked up.
>>107749751A decade ago you could've bought an used LGA1366 workstation with 192GB of DDR3 for peanuts
>>107749814>won't someone else do the terrorism for me!?Jefferson was right. You people are cattle who deserve your pitiable state
>>107749751Boycott everything AIDon't use anything AIDon't buy anything AISell stocks of companies doing AISabotage anything AI
>>107749751>DDR5 64 gb is $500 nowWhere? I would take it in a heartbeat.
>>107749751China pumps out RAM at actual cost from the recently stolen trade secrets and collapses the current RAM cartel
>>107750031Bomb anything AI
>thing is in shortage>build a factory to build thing>make big moneysrelax faggots the greedies are working on it as we speak.
I paid $360 for 64GB DDR5 two years ago.you people laughed at "early adopters".are you laughing now?
>>107749751You can't. The fabs that create modern DRAM chips require billions of capital expenditure and years to train and get facility staff up to speed. DRAM chip prices have always been at the whims of supply/'demand as an ebb and flow throughout the decades.We are caught in demand portion of the cycle which is compounded by USD dying and USA's tariffs rearing their ugly end. Kids don't know that DRAM used to be expensive as hell back in 1970s and 1990s. This forced a bunch of shortcuts and compromises in programming and one of them was the Y2K bug. To be honest, anything beyond 32GiB is overkill for non-professional usages. There is a reason why UDIMM demand was crap for most of 2025.
Start burning down data centers.
>>107750053It take years for China to successfully implement and it will be most certainly get hit by USA's tariff war. Whatever future adminstrations continue it or China refuses to export their units as retaliation for it when tariffs are lifted.
I got 64GB DDR4 and a 5070 ti. It should last me enough time to make plenty of slop before I inevitably off myself
>>107750333>Kids don't know that DRAM used to be expensive as hell back in 1970s and 1990s.Everything was relatively expensive back then compared to now.But manufacturing scaled. Things became cheaper.
>>107749751Subscription computing.
>>107750372When it satisfy demand and at times made a glut of inventory (little or demand). See early 2025 and early 2010s. Kids are now mad they are experiencing the demand portion of the cycle. Compounded by several other geopolitical affairs. I'm surprised nobody pick-up on the forced Windows 11 upgrade on its ecosystem and F1000 needing to catch-up as a contributor.
>>107749814He wasn't just right. He was a prophet.
>>107749814It will happen. Sabotage is merely inevitable as Cold War between China and USA intensifies. Don't be surprised if "fires" or power disruptions start occurring on datacenters (conveniently blamed on the gird not keeping up).
>Post yfw you built a PC earlier this year
>>107749751Put Sam Kikeman in the owen and set it to the max.
>>107749751You know you can still use the same computer for more than 1 year?
>>107749751>>107750477i bought 2x16gb ddr4 ramthey sent me 2x8gb ddr4 ramnothing is sacred
>>107750618^totally normal in america btwand if you dont lawyer up for a ram stick, you wont get your shit back
Wait for China to break these monopolies. Not that it will happen anytime soon though
>>107750656i think its gonna happen sooner than you thinkbut i think all that "breaking monopolies" will be getting access to ram for 25-30% cheaperthe ai-retards are gonna max out chink oproduction capacityunless:ai-retards wont buy chink ram for whatever reasonand concumergroids wont buy it bc theyre brainwashedTHEN yeah, chinks are gonna actually sell ram on the cheap
>>107749751we cant. we wait til ddr6chinks should be producing ddr4 + 5 by then
>>107749751End debt-based currency
>>107749751I have like 100 pcs sitting at work waiting to be destroyed, they all have 8gb of DDR3 ram, you guys think it would be worth it to strip them and resell the ram?
>>107749752ai fags were the only ones who actually bought a lot of ram for cheap by now lmao
>>107749751Increase supply. The challenge there though is spinning up new factories to support the increased supply.
>>107750831Yes definitely
Oh no, computer nerds are going to have to get j*bs!
>>107751715It would take you 5 jobs a month to get enough money to buy a decent amount of ram. Corporate bootlicker.
>>107751791$500 isn't that much money in 2026 anon. In the 1980's a computer was $5000, today that's about $16k. Computers actually got cheaper, not more expensive.
>>107749751make more RAM
>>107749784Then they will need even more ram.
>>107750477mfw
>>107749751The solution is obvious. American corporations need to make RAM again. Bonus: no tariffs.
>>107749752>retard thinks the world doesn't run on compute power
>>107749752retard alert
>>107749751I'm sure that a thousand datacenters generating impressive losses without any ROI and no real product for which there was no audience to begin with, will not pose a problem.There will definitely not be a flood of RAM sticks in a disperate bid to recoup losses.Hahah.
>>107753226>There will definitely not be a flood of RAM sticks in a disperate bid to recoup losses.Man I wish, but they'll just destroy them or dump them somewhere, I can feel their kikeness.
All you need to do is have the government say they'll stop the gibs for openai and others. Suddenly investors will actually look for a return
>>107749751>wethis is a you problem, as in you need to make more money
>>107749751guillotines, anything else won't fix shit
>>107753226Yep, a nice flood of server RAM.
>>107749867It could be fixed(slowly) if ram makers decide to ramp up production. But they feel the need for RAM won't go beyond a couple of years and even if it does, they still gonna make more selling to corps rather than end consumers.So it's just a risk in their eyes and they won't bother
>>107753202>>107753206>t. seething consoomerist manchildren
>>107753510>if ram makers decide to ramp up productionNever ever happening unfortunately
>>107753412Yeah, can't wait, gonna be so useful.
>>107753569Then why are these faggot cocksuckers hoarding all the consumer ram? Huh?
>>107753618>hoarding all the consumer ramthat's not the case. it's just that ram manufacturers are making server ram instead.
>>107750333>one of them was the Y2K bugI thought you were just bullshitting but turns out you're right.
>>107749751you don't. either the bubble will burst before then or the prediction pans out.
>>107750053lol, because the chinese are alturistic. there is actually a chinese newcomer to the ram market, they just raised $4billion. but they're selling to chinese enterprise, not chinese or western consumers. because that's where the money is and the chinese government is also all in on data centers. in their case i doubt it's being developed for gooning though.
>>107749751Just use AI instead, retard. Learn to prompt. AI is more productive by 100-1000x.
>>107754040Seizing the opportunity to fuck over foreign competitors isn't altruistic.China is the main market of course, but if they can catch west-aligned companies with their pants down on the side, why not? China gets more profit, brownie points with the general public, and more global influence alongside it.
>>107754040you're right, they don't give a single fuck about your markets.all they care about is cutting costs for their own population to remain competitive within their own markets, and because lower cost intermediates make lower cost end products. it's only a fluke that amongst them someone gets the bright idea of "what if we sold to the gweilos too instead of just to ourselves?" and didn't think much about marking up the price to fit western sensibilities (let alone marketing.)
>>107749751JUST WAIT
>>107749751how new are you that you don't remember coof GPU shortage? this shit just goes away by itself. literally >>107754733.
>>107754650>Seizing the opportunity to fuck over foreign competitors isn't altruistic.except they're not competing on foreign markets anon. they're literally focused on domestic, because domestic is sanctioned and that's where the money is. >China is the main market of course, but if they can catch west-aligned companies with their pants down on the side, why not? nigger read the post. they're only selling to enterprise products to enterprise. not consumer. because that's where the money is. so even if they did do that, even if their supply doesn't get domestically pre-sold, excess would still be going to enterprise and not consumer software. guys like you don't get it. you think omg, the consumer market will pay for it! enterprise buys out an entire year's worth of supply, it costs more per unit and it comes with support contracts and they do that all at once, not piecemeal via retail. they're not alturistic, they're going where the money is and it's not you. you don't seem to understand the difference in the market scale or the purchasing contracts. it's orders of magnitude. server cards are like 30k per unit. run that number through your head again. the market is not even remotely you, anon. you're not spending a billion dollars per contract. you're not even in the game. >>107754724is this an attempt at sarcasm? see above, maybe you'll understand why this chinese saviour shit isn't going to happen.
>>107755067you can't read lol.
to elaborate on this, xai has a stated goal of running 50 million h100 cards. >A single NVIDIA H100 GPU card costs approximately$25,000 to $40,000 USD to purchase outright, depending on the specific model (PCIe vs. SXM), vendor, and market conditions. Complete server systems with eight H100 GPUs can cost over $300,000, including necessary infrastructure
>>107755088oh please, elaborate lol.
>October 2025>ram cheap>no one needs more than 16GB>no one wants more than 16GB>December 2025>ram fucking expensive>everyone MUST have AT LEAST 64GB
>>107755126>vendorAt the scale of multiple millions of h100 cards, you buy direct from nVidia. They will be very happy to talk to you.
>>107755131I was saying china isn't working to save the global markets. and if they do it'd be a mere coincidence.
>>107753226Most of the units being used are in HBM and RDIMM/LR-DIMMs which are uselss on mainstream platform. Only enterprise customers/F1000 who aren't vested in ML/AI bubble are going to get a windfall.
>>107753674Yep, they use DRAM chips. The only difference in implementation. The AL/ML are allocating DRAM chips in HBM, RDIMMs, LRDIMMs.
>>107755149It is just FOMO from scalpers/etailers trying to lure in whales.
>>107750477I bought a macbook in 2024 so I'm all set with 128gb ram. Feels good man.
>>107749751>Realistically, how do we fix this problem?it's not a problem. It's great for the economy. One thing we could and should look into for the long term is Making America Great Again so that we can build this shit here instead of letting slants do it. what happens if we get into a war with them?
>>107752003>corsair RAMe-waste
>>107749814Datacenters are near invincible
>>107755910Fucking Facebook boomer tier vibes from your post. You don't fix the problem, you wait it out.
>>107749751>a huge amount of ram is a little expensive but not excessively so!>a completely unreasonable amount of ram is an unreasonable amount of money!Woooow, no way?!
I have 8gb of ram, hold and win
Confiscation of all wealth for everyone involved in a cartel of large corporations.
>>107755898Any time I look into it and turn over this rock I find a bunch of private equity psychopaths instead of so called “everyday scalpers” I assume this time is no different
>>107749751Realistically, you make do with what you have and hope for more favorable circumstances in 2028 or beyond.What's absolutely fucking wild is that even really old shit like DDR3 RAM has doubled in price too.
>>107749751I will never have my low latency dream kit anon. the only thing that matters is reducing latency but these sloppers just keep fucking everything up.
you guys are scaring me. I can still build a pretty good chonker with 64gb ddr4, 5060ti and i7 gen10 for around 1k.
>>107753226The cuckcattle will pay for it as usual.
>>107755921lol. lmao.
>>107749751By being efficient at managing what you already have, as a white man should.
>>107757706Nothing impressive, it's just a common sense approach to computing. Buying shit just for the sake of it is welfare nigger behavior.
>>107749751Realistically? Just don't buy it
Gotta love babby's first price hike panic
>>107755908you'll be able to open 5 tabs of Google web apps with that!
U don'tMaybe wait for Chinese ddr6 or camm or whatever the fuck comes nextDdr4 and 5 is completely cooked
>>107749814A modern consumer can't comprehend slop being bad for them
>>107750477Mfw I'm ramaxxed all last year and the two years before thatEven my gaming laptop has spare ram ready to go and my htpc is 64gb ddr4 3200 and gaming pc 96gb ddr5 6400 running at 6000 for stability and longevity haven't tweaked any of them yet but I will
>>107749751Realize consumers only need 8GB, most wouldn't know the difference if it was 2GB.
>>107749784>>107749814Why would you bomb data centers? Just Luigi or drone the tech bros or the C-suites of these companies.I mean, Peter Thiel, Altman, Musk, all of them deserve it.
the joke is that there are currently data centres full of ram remaining completely unused since theres no power to run the machinesseems like a problem that will fix itself very easily, expect ram to be laughably cheap once this has rolled over
>>107749751I hoarded like 5 phones with 12 gigs of ramI think phones will get fucked extra hard
How is $500 that big of a deal. It's $250 more... If it goes over $1k I'd start to worry about the future of pc gaming in the immediate future.
>>107755921No, they are vulnerableas hell. They need a stable, constant flow of massive power and cooling to keep themselves from shitting the bed. Any significant disruption that persist more then 24hours. Millions of dollars and manhours of effort undone.
>>107757025The root cause is that USD is dying in real-time and recent tariffs are just the noose. Hyperinflation and a massive economic correction is inevitable.
>>107749751>64GB DDR5 is now $500Is that all? Christ, I knew you "people" were omegapoor, but that's not even twice what it was six months ago.
>>107760594Unlikely. What other currency is going to step in as global reserve currency?
>>107750477had vacation in oktober 2025 and decided the built it then. literally missed this hell my like a single month
>>107750031And yet, there are always several ai slop generals on this very board and across the entire site as well.
>>107749832Me too, 7900x, b650m hdv/m.2, 64 gigs, sn 850x. I didn't buy a GPU, should I wait? I think I should wait.
>>107750477
>>107761041Nvidia has announce they're going to be raising GPU prices this year. I wouldn't wait. I'm debating on whether I should upgrade my nephew's PC now (even though he doesn't really NEED it) just because I expect shit to get more expensive in the next couple of years when he does.
Speeds could be faster. Need to find way to get that sweet CXMT RAM
>>107749751I dunno lol. Really I don't care that much though. The only thing I need ram for is vidya and there are years of titles I haven't played.
>>107750477>built in july
>>107760615None, global economy is going to regress back to 19th with regional economics and power struggles.
>>107749751AI companies are retarded, run by inexperienced fools.You buy chips the same way Sony does for PSs: in large volumes, but not so many that you drive prices up, and you do it consistently for years, saving billions in the process.Now, because AI companies bought everything all at once, they suddenly have to pay ridiculous amounts of money just for DRAM. Billions wasted despite themselves not needing that much DRAM. And that's only one fucking thing.
>>107749751First, you don't need 256GB of RAMSecondly, all the RAM was bought by Sam Altman so he can create a digital shenron that his first wish will be "make yourself profitable!"The wish will probably fail because it's still a fucking LLM, and OpenAI will biblically crash and burn, while the remains of the technology will actually do good shit, when reality comes crashing down and they have to actually serve the public.
>>107749752Why do you talk like a retard at the first opportunity?
>>107749890>The present situation fully vindicates themNo. It doesn't. This just what the genesis of a groundbreaking technology looks like. The ground, it breaks. Not exactly comfortable.
>>107750477>Bought a bunch of shit I didn't need expecting tariffs to kill the prices>Tariffs didn't kill the prices>Still get smug satisfaction after Saltman nukes the market from low orbit
>>107753533I bet you also hate communism
>>107749751just wait. why are you so melodramatic? if you really need it, you will pay even more than that.
>>107749751Use AI, retard.
>>107756242thankfully boomers are at the end of their rope in terms of "waiting it out", and once the geriatric gatekeepers who sold out the world to the judeo-globalist order are gone we can start getting shit done again.
STIR FRY SAM ALTMAN IN A WOK
>>107762785Tariffs are the reason. Their impact isn't felt until months and years later.
>>107750077>I paid $360 for 64GB DDR5 two years ago.>you people laughed at "early adopters".>are you laughing now?yeah because i bought 64GB of DDR5 7 months ago for $140 and a couple months ago picked up 128GB of DDR4 for my server. I'm sitting on 3 or 4 unused sticks of 16GB of DDR5 not to mention whatever is in my older desktops because i've never thrown an outdated computer out, i just keep it in a closet>>107750477>>Post yfw you built a PC earlier this yearliterally me
China just stole the tech for the best ram from South Korea. You can expect the west to ban or tariff them but if you’re willing to smuggle a few sticks up your asshole you’re golden
>>107763786/g/entlemen, what is the best lube for this task?
>>107763786Cool, now they just have to get to the same level as everyone else.Two more weeks.
>>107763847Honestly the longer this goes on the less anyone will care if they’re inferior. It’s that or nothing
>>107749751Holocaust, but this time is real
>>107763831The tears of furry artist Ai haters
>>107763857>the less anyone will care if they’re inferior.Lol:>boot>crash>boot>crash>boot>finally get to desktop>start brower>BSoD
>>107749751Have you considered not being poor
>>107749751Fix? Accelerate
>Realistically, how do we fix this problem?Total clanker death.
>>107751821>$500 isn't that much money in 2026 anonIt is for something that was 1/4 the price of that literally 2 months ago you fucking gaslighting cunt
>>107753226>There will definitely not be a flood of RAM sticks in a disperate bid to recoup losses.That's the best bit! All of the RAM is incompatible with the products we get, so you won't be able to use any of it.It'll all be E-Waste! Teehee!
>>107765398Chinks will eventually recycle the RAM chips into 1000 different brands with names that resemble stainless steel pots falling down the stairs, with Russian roulette levels of QC for 30% less than new.So have hope.
>>107763857DDR5 ram has to have bare minimum Error Correction function just to be functional.Do you think China have what it takes to make DDR5 run, let alone at higher frequency?
>>107765424I hope so anon!
>>107750477>mfw think i built a PC just recently and then realize it's actually been several years
nationalize hynix
>>107750477RX 7800 XT rig is serving me well but I game a lot more on my T14 G5 Thinkpad recently for being outside all the time.
>>107749751>>107750037i hope they die a million painful deaths for the evils they have brought upon the world
>>107755921https://www.techradar.com/news/remember-the-ovhcloud-data-center-fire-heres-why-it-was-so-badkekkeroni.funny enough i use this very provider but thankfully my servers are in a different datacentre.
>>107749784why bomb them? break in, steal all the hardware, and distribute it a la robinhood.
>>107749751Go outside and play with ur dog.
>>107765424speaking of the chinksI know some of the coffee lake chipsets support DDR3. I am surprised we are not seeing a bunch of 9th gen mobo + cpu + ddr3 combos for saleIt seems like a real easy way to make some money and clear some old stock.
>>107749814That only works if the bread and circus suck but gaming has earned 1000x the revenue than the film industry.
>>107749752Get a job "art"fag
>>107749751Go back in time and kill Sam Altman.
>>107749751Permanently? by abolishing IP laws
>>107765629its too late, this would have made a huge difference if done 20 years ago but it means nothing now
