What is Steam's secret? Why is Steam so succesfull?
He's Professor Light
>>107749765peepeepoopoo shit BRAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPP
>>107749765its not public owned company
>>107749852/thread
>>107749765it seems ridiculous now but before steam you couldnt just go to one website to download and install games. you had to buy them from all over the place
>>107750101This. Steam simply was first successful online games shop.
>>107749765>were the first ones to make a centralized video game store>had zero ads and cancer even back then, still has zero ads and cancer (not counting furfags on the platform) to this day>just straight forward - launch > play games / launch > store > buy > play>displays useful things like a game requiring 3rd party acc/launcher or tpm2.0/secureboot so you can safely ignore it>as above it tells you if it will run properly on linux/steam deck>valve is the only one actually investing into linux - arch at that lmao>made their own emulator to fix a lot of winshit games on linux>steam support actually reads their tickets and will 99% of the time refund you any game you wish/choose>steam will literally send a replacement/refund if your steam deck gets scratched in a month or has such a minimal error nobody should care, yet they do>made EA, Ubisoft, Epic & PSN crawl back to their store after those realized they lost money by forcing their launchers (which somehow still lack a proper store page? niggas at epic still can't even change their pfp)>is now starting to tag AI slop and has one singular button to filter it all out>24/7 sales that people literally just buy games on Steam instead of claiming them for free on dogshit launchers like EpicGee I wonder why?
>>107750145This. The only real competition they have is GOG. All other alternatives are so nakedly anti-consumer that most people wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.
>>107749765Not a publicly traded company = no need to change what's working.
>>107749765not being beholden to shareholders grants immunity from pozz and the capacity to think beyond the next quarter, valuing things besides pure profit, short term gains line must go up infinitely brainrot
They try and provide a better service than just pirating games. Who would have thought that people will pay for a service if it's good enough, shock horror, lawmakers destroy this evil monopoly. Oy vey.
>>107749765Americans are rich and wealthy they don't have to pirate
>>107750145>>made their own emulator to fix a lot of winshit games on linuxmore like made a bundle of wine+dxvk+some more+configurations because it's such a fucking mess and too easy to get it wrong without even knowing.Also they provide native linux runtimes for native games. Think of it like flatpak kde or gnome runtime. Devs can just target that runtime instead of playing a guesswork game of which distro is causing a bug.iirc they either donate to projects or put people on payroll to make projects like mesa better
Post it again why don’t you.
Piracy is a service issue. They provide good service and that's literally all they've ever done. Everyone else just shoots themselves in the foot constantly. Plus they were first.
>>107750145You forgot>reaps 30% of the game developers revenue as pure profit>has a complete monopoly on PC gaming and holds the game libraries of its userbase hostage>has the most hardcore diehard fanboys the world has ever seen, putting even iToddlers to shame
>>107749777spbp /threadthe last thread was already shit this one will be worse
>>107749765racismanime avatarsforumstradingfree cases
>>107752351Hello Tim, finally got that shopping cart figured out?
>>107752362>30% tax when Apple does itBAD>30% tax when Microsoft does itREE>30% tax when Google does itEVIL>30% tax when Valve does itBASED!
>>107752378>mm--m-m-m-muh fee!No one gives a shit Timmy, but keep coping, I'm sure if you keep giving games away that people don't even want for free people will use your failed store.
>>107752378>WHY WON'T YOU THINK OF THE CORPORATIONS IT'S ANOTHER SHOA OVER HERE! THEY ARE MAKING US PAY THE FEE INSTEAD OF PAYING US!
>>107750253Within 15 years Gabe will die. His kids will be too stupid to run it so they will IPO and enjoy the next 50 years of their lives on giga yachts. Some cockroach CEO straight out of Yale will add some stupid shit like AI or a subscription service to the platform every quarter until gog comes in and takes the crown. There will probably be some collusion between the two stores because there is a big opportunity for autistic gamers to rebuy their entire libraries on the new popular storefront. Screenshot this
>>107752405>rebuyRe-rent.
>>107752378>>30% tax when Apple does it>BAD>>30% tax when Microsoft does it>REE>>30% tax when Google does it>EVIL>>30% tax when Valve does it>BASED!
>>107752378imagine still trying this bullshit in $currentyearyeah yeah steam bad because muh fees that's why games on the epic store are 30% cheaper than anywhere else right? because the fees are lower right? all for the consumer right? go fuck yourself you subhuman piece of niggershit and stop insulting the intelligence of people that bother to read your fucking drivel
>>107749765Doesn't want to constantly fuck uses raw in the ass for short term profit
>>107752378You get a lot for the 30%
>>107752378It's not the same thing and you know it. Stop being disingenuous. The 30% for Valve is much more fair.
>>107749777>t. totally mindbroken consolefag
>>107752426>that's why games on the epic store are 30% cheaper than anywhere else rightFrom here suicide is the only way forward for Epic shills lmao
>>107752351The reason you guys get bullied over this is because you are edgelords who think they're sitting on classified information. Everyone knows this. Valve does a lot of other minor things and as a whole props up PC gaming. I'd rather overpay and cuck devs a little than risk PC gaming sphere become a wasteland to corporate interest like we so many other places. The few moral fags who are cognizant of this probably already buy from GOG or directly to get around this. The reason why people responds is because it rustles because you're basically going full retard and revisionist by spouting such moronic shit.If you're truly in the know you should be sitting on your last GPU by now, waiting for RISC v and be ashamed that you ever gave Nvidia money.
>>107752351>>reaps 30% of the game developers revenue as pure profitThey don't take the full 30%, learn how it works, it's 1 google away, or ask ChatGPT, other stores take a % as well.>>has a complete monopoly on PC gaming and holds the game libraries of its userbase hostageNobody is hostage on Steam, they're willingly there, as it's a good monopoly which only offers good things in return.>>has the most hardcore diehard fanboys the world has ever seen, putting even iToddlers to shameFanboying Valve is literally justified, Valve does absolutely nothing wrong and has full respect towards the consumer.>>107752378This just proves how fucking retarded you are, if you're this desperate for a you just write it, I will pamper you little boy.
>>107752597Nah the reason these retards get clowned on so hard is simply that even the dumbest gorilla nigger understands >>107752426. Nothing is going to improve for gamers if Steam loses it's monopoly at best (as in the delusional fairy-tale outcome) nothing gets worse. In reality it'd just lead gaming to go down the path of streaming.>230749823749234 "competing platforms" pop up for a few years>profitability collpases>sales collapse>market consolidates back into just one or two companies controlling anything but now fees are 300% higher than they used to be and you get less content
>>107749765Loaded question. It isn't successful. It failed gaming; turning it into a plantation of DRM, DLC and microtransactions.Now, you must take your medication.
>>107752651>They don't take the full 30%Kek
>>107752778kekw on your entire family
>>107752676>turning it into a plantation of DRM, DLC and microtransactionsnah that were the studios you're pimped out by you aids ridden whore
>>107749852some would say this is anti american
>>107749765lots of tranny losers praise whatever valve does despite of being treated as shit like letting their games rot with cheaters and bots while at the same time fans being ok with that and still giving valve's money for not doing anything or finishing their games (cs2, deadlock, tf2)
>>107749765you had this thread yesterday, why are you so obsessed
>>10775242415% tax when Epic does it>BAD30% tax when valve does>BASED!
>>107753871Yes. Keep seething about it Timmy.
>>107752351You forgot the most important part, no one is able to even emulate it because they're too greedy! Timmy can't even COPY a storefront LOL!
>>107753871>Tim Cuckny learns that no matter how much money he throws around no one will ever like himIt'd be sad if it wasn't so funny.
>>107749765why are we having this thread again. op isn't even using a different pic. >>107731743
>>107753880>>107753889you'll never going to be a real woman
>>107752351you forgotINCESTHORSE PORN
>>107753939saaar...
>>107753939>Y-Y-You're a t-t-t-t-tranny! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/news/show-your-pride-with-epic-games-in-rainbow-royale-2022
>>107753951>>107753954keep seething trannies, at least we got hogwarts legacy for free, when was the last time steam had a good freebie that isnt shovelware lmao
>>107753969>NOOOOO YOU ARE THE TRANNY!>cuts off >xher dickhttps://esports.gg/news/fortnite/fortnite-rainbow-royale-2023/
>>107750101This and patch management for games meant you had to go to fileplanet, <game>planet, or numerous other offshoot sites to hunt them down.Steam consolidated all that, to where consoles took the idea and just ran with it.But now a days Valve is doing stuff like supporting Linux while shit stores like GoG and others don't. Then said shit stores wonder why nobody buys from them.
>>107753969>hogwarts legacy>calls others tranny
>>107753969>hogwarts legacy>isnt shovelware>muh tranniesHowever much you were beaten as a kid it clearly wasn't enough on account of the fact that you are still breathing
>>107753969>AYY MANE, THAT NIGGA TIMMY GIBS ME DAT FO FREELol
>>107753983>>107753990>the moment someone mentions epicREEEE YOU TIMMY BOT INDIAN CHINK LET MY MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANY ALONEsteam has a partnership with sweet baby, they invented microtransaction the moment they introduced the manco store in tf2, i really think that valve fans are literally masochist, i never said that epic was good or better, just saying that it is pathetic that steam can't give decent freebies anymore and their sales are not as they used to be
>>107754056nobody said corporations were your friend. you typically have to chose the less shit option, and steam is the less shit option. probably not going to change any time soon.
>>107754056Oh great you got completely anally raped last thread when you tried this cope about muh CS cases but hey you soulless bugmen who am I to deny you pleasure of getting raped again.Oblivion horse armour got released in 2006 for the Xbox 360. Want to take a guess which year the manco store got released in?
Why does every thread have to become schizo basedjak and saar spamming? Literally just argue like normal humans holy shit
>>107754056>they invented microtransaction the moment they introduced the manco store in tf2Zoomer detected, korean mmo microtransactions predate this by at least five-six years.
>>107754102it's the current fashion and even nerds and faggots and autists are subceptible to fashion. that's just how people work.
>>107754102>saar spamming?Blame jeets for being so repulsive that everyone is offended to be called a jeet, even anonymously online.
>>107754076yeah but steam fans think that valve and gabe are saving gaming and act very delusional with everything valve related like when they thought they were going to announce hl3 on the game awards.they do the bare minimum and steamies act like it is the second coming of jesus christ but its just valve updating their gambling platform and pasting some fans github code in their shitty bloated game but not compensating their fans work since valve only takes advantage of their fans goodwill.>>107754090so just because other shitty company did it before makes valve's way of profiting from microtransaction any good?also steam and epic are drm platforms, you dont own the software, you dont own anything and you're happy, eat the bugs and take your hormone blockers you tranny
>>107754102Because 80% of this site's current userbase is terminally /pol/brained.
>>107754158>they do the bare minimumName two stores that do more.
>>107754102There is no argument to be had. Steam provides the superior service. Notice the spam coming from people attacking steam? Gee I wonder who might be behind this totally not coordinated campaign that reuses shit word for word and doesn't even deny it when called out for it directly >>107754158
>>107754158>epic troon fails yet again at not calling others tranny for one post
>>107754102>argue like normal humans holy shitHow do you argue with someone that just strawman's and desperately fails at shifting the goal posts literally every single post?>>107754158>so just because other shitty company did it before makes valve's way of profiting from microtransaction any good?Feel free to point out where I said that tranny.
>>107754158promoting linux is in fact saving gamingmicrosoft deserves to be dethronedmeanwhile timmy is one of the dumbest motherfuckers out there coming out with takes like pic related
>>107754158>yeah but steam fans think that valve and gabe are saving gaming and act very delusional with everything valve related like when they thought they were going to announce hl3 on the game awards.dude i think that's actually just you. there is a big problem with some guys is that they think if you can say something that isn't derogatory about something or someone, that means you're their bitch and you just love them and everything they do and you're on your knees with that slurpy slurp. whereas it actually just means you live in the real world and you can see that some people are good or competent at some shit. don't be like that, because it's actually a trap.
>>107754188you're just comparing shit with shit, just so happens that valve's shit stinks less than epic shits>>107754189its just an ok service but lacks a lot of functionalities, UI is bloatware, it literally runs a chromium browser inside your game library even offline, it also has telemetry >>107754219i can see you got triggered when i brought up the manco store, so you dont have to explicitly say it lol>>107754228maybe, but its still a closed platform, its only good when it comes to using proton to run cracked games from firgirl repacks, but they're trying to make linux what google did with android
>>107754204>log into tf2>wait 1 hour queing>join a lobby>lobby full of furry pyros with tranny flags and pronouns > voice chat are just a bunch of redditors screaming cringy 2021 memes while the rest of the people moved on from those unfunny memesagain, you'll never be a real woman
>>107754256>its only good when it comes to using proton to run cracked games from firgirl repacks, but they're trying to make linux what google did with android>you don't need to interact with valve in any way to use it but they want to make it so you have to do that!medsthat's not how open source worksvalve already dominates the fucking platform with or without linuxthis is just them cleaning up microsoft's enjeeted garbage out of goodwill
>>107754307>goodwillthey have their own interest in it, and that's to avoid being strangled to death by a microsoft monopoly. i've got no problems with that because i am exiting microsoft after this computer. fuck them.
>>107754307> this is just them cleaning up microsoft's enjeeted garbage out of goodwillimagine thinking that corporations are your "friend", theres a reason why people dont like ubuntu or redhat and google's android
>>107754286What does your tf2 tranny self help group have to do with anything?
>>107754256>what are you triggered liberal?
>>107754350by this point they have no fear of microsoft, they tried competing with them and failedmicrosoft needs valve more than valve needs microsoft>>107754352because they made decisions people don't like?valve doesn't give a shit about what you do, proton is distro agnostic and soon it'll even be cpu architecture agnosticyou can use it regardless of what you think of valve without giving them a single penny
>>107752359>racism you can get community banned for racism and for some games you get automuted>forumsmore like reddit 2.0>tradingliterally a gambling site, get a real job nigger>free casesnot free when you have to pay for keys to open the lootbox
>>107754228Tim said nothing wrong here
>>107754395>>racism >you can get community banned for racism and for some games you get automutedCommunities are not moderated by Steam but the game dev/publisher.>>forums>more like reddit 2.0Still better than 4chan.>>trading>literally a gambling site, get a real job niggerMaking free money while enjoying games is not gambling.>>free cases>not free when you have to pay for keys to open the lootboxYou don't have to pay for anything, time is money.
>>107754387>valve doesn't give a shit about what you dois that why valve's games are unplayable bot infested shitholes and every day thousands of steam accounts gets stolen and valve just let that slide in?
>>107754416>have no rebuttal>deflect to something completely unrelatedan old timmy classic
>>107754406what are you going to do about pic related huh?make petitions? say shit on twitter?nothing faggotyou have zero possible impact on microsoft changing course
>>107754407>Communities are not moderated by Steam but the game dev/publisher.community bans are a steam thing, and you can get banned for using slurs and other redneck biggotry slang>Making free money while enjoying games is not gambling.like making 10 dollars while playing for 8 years the same game? lazy ass nigger>You don't have to pay for anything, time is money.cs2 and tf2 cases need keys to be open which you have to buy on the marketplace, and time is more valuable than money
>>107749765It just works. My steam account is around 20 years old and I had ZERO issues with the whole platform for about two decades.10/10 value
>>107754444Tim sued google and won, and Apple is going to be forced to open up in other regions, dumbass. Nice quads tho
>>107754459you think you can sue microsoft into unfucking windows?
>>107754449how? Steam used to be nice with low memory usage but every major update it gets further into being laggy bloatware in exchange for dropping legacy OS support. I maintain several PCs from different eras, as my account is 22 years old. I can't even play fucking Doom on the system I bought the damn game on
>>107754446>and time is more valuable than moneyWhich is why (You) spend your time smearing a billion dollar company on a Mongolian amateur cave diving forum? Yeah your time is clearly highly valuable.
>>107754430>expose valves their lack of interest of fixing their services because fans will eat that shit without consequences>steamie will call you tim since he's out of arguments people who defend valve are mentally ill trannies who dont work
>>107749765Network effect.Everyone is on steam, everyone has all their games on steam, might as well keep all the eggs in one basket.
>>107754486>waaaa why doesn't my single core 2003 notepad get the same performance as a machine with orders of magnitude more performance in a single core never mind the whole chipThe world has moved on beyond your toaster kiddo. Are you still seething that basically every distro has dropped x32 support too? Or Itanium?
>>107754489so is you kek
>>107754493ok faggot, should we talk about epic bribing publishers into exclusivity with children's money? or how about the fact that ue5 is one of the worst fucking things that happened to games? or how about them actively being kike niggers and breaking linux compatibility?you're throwing stones from a glass houseepic could fucking disappear and the gaming landscape would be measurably improved overnightthey contributed LESS THAN NOTHING
>>107754506>so is you>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAR WHY DO YOU CALL ME CURRY TIMkek indeed
>>107754477you think you can piss yourself enough that everyone will switch to linux? maybe in another 10 years, but for the foreseeable future I use Windows.
>>107754504Address the actual point that Steam is laggy fucking bloatware, plus you don't own your games
>>107754506ESL should be a ban able offence.
>>107754524i don't care about your tech illiteracyanswer the questionHOW do you imagine windows being fixed
>>107754504its not about hardware is more about how their software is bloated because of the amount of telemetry they put on steam only so the cia niggers can have a profile of your activity >>107754515>e5 is one of the worst fucking things that happened to gamesand source 2 is ultra shit it can't even compete with ue5, so your favorite multibillion company wont do shit to stop epic's monopoly on game engines> how about them actively being kike niggers and breaking linux compatibilityso is valve for partnering with sweet baby and other woke libcuck organizations> epic could fucking disappear and the gaming landscape would be measurably improved overnightgaming is already dead even steam charts shows that most players play old and indie games and dont care about AAA goyslop, i really dont give a shit if steam, epic or your black ass disappears that wont affect my linux experience
>>107754541by staying on win10 nerd
>>107754535>muh laggy bloatware>y-y-y-you don't o-own anythingI bloated your mom last night want me to talk about that instead? Certainly seems to have more of a point than talking to a retard that can't comprehend that software has changed in the last 22 years. What do you even want me to say? I can continue mocking you if you get off on that or something.If you're so pissed about steam being muh bloatware do it better yourself, build a nice lean client that people want to use where you actually own the games.You won't because you're either retarded, a shill for other even more bloated bullshit like Ubisoft/EA/Epic or both.
>>107754584Oh and just in case you are a GOG shill: Kill yourself. Imagine implicitly defending shit like the GOG launcher and then complaining about laggy bloatware.
>>107754577how did that work out for windows 7 users?oh right, they're literally gone from the steam survey now, less than 1/1000 of steam's windows users are still on itthis is your fate, being forced into obsolescence and soon barred from new hardware
>>107754584anyone who defends bloated software and multibillion corporations in this site, it just reminds me when basedjack party hacked 4chan and showed how feds work on 4chan and probably create those retarded bot posts and threads
>>107754584If you buy software for a system, you should be allowed to keep using it on the system you bought it on. Its a simple principle and the core reason Steam's DRM should allow you to use your software independent of its constantly bloating clientIts something a slackjaw gamer retard busy sucking corporate cock wouldn't understand
>>107754608that's why tim said fight for the freedoms on the OS you currently use today. If Linux had 100% compatibility with all windows games, I'd jump ship, but it doesn't, and I'm not talking about games with kernel anticheat, but lots of legacy games that aren't and probably will never be supported, and even games that are labeled as Playable on proton infact have lots of unreported issues.Do whatever you want but I'm sticking with Windows until Linux can actually best it
>>107754620>>107754634>gets called out for being a useless waste of air>immediately retreats to buzzword bullshit bingo with nothing said at the end of itAs I was saying, your mom...
>>107754669fed triggered
>>107754667your idea of fighting is doing nothing and getting left in the dustyou have no recourse hereif you were actually fighting you'd switch to linux and be a demographic significant enough for them to cave on anticheat support and not be a literal npc making safe decisions
>>107754710Fine then, but you will say all this shit about "fighting", but then throw a fit if anyone gives Tim credit for using his fortune to actually sue the biggest tech companies and win. So I suspect its less about principles and more about being a Steam fanboy
>>107754762so you're extrapolating now?fuck offthis is about windows, not whatever else you want to suck his cock for and there's no argument to be made that you could possibly be fighting anything on windows
>>107754762>IMAGINE BELIEVING CORPORATIONS ARE YOUR FRIEND LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO>btw Tim is on your side actually you steam fanboy!
>>107754762>sues them to get more money from childrenhow exactly does this benefit me? i want linux on a phone where those freedoms are built in, not to play garbage on jeetdroid or gayphone
>>107754843nta but the case bans Google from paying phone makers to lock the phone to only allow the Play store
>>107752378>30% tax when Apple does itexcept we pay for that>30% tax when Microsoft does itno one buys Microsoft products>30% tax when Google does itno one buys Google products>30% tax when Valve does itOn checkout I don't see a 30% tax, so I don't care
>>107754873if that actually came to pass i would've just bought a freetard phone a month beforethis doesn't benefit me, i want android gone and timmy sure isn't working to improve that
>>107749765Benevolent Dictator For Life governance model. All good software follows this model.
>>107750101>>107753988dont forget you have to go to a SPECIFIC store to get preorder DLC bullshit and before that, SPECIFIC stores would refuse to sell certain games because of their own brand image (wallmart wouldnt sell games over a certain violence threshhold, for example) so if you only had 1 kindof store in your town you were FUCKED if you wanted something on release. I played a game before steam that had fuckhuge patches so you could request the developer to send you a cd instead with the latest updates but that was super rare. >>107752378>logon to steam>90% sale>buy a game for a dollarwhen valve taxes a game company, they tax the company. when everyone else does it, they take you the consumer. Go fuck yourself sweeny todd, Im not installing the epic store nor will I let googleplay know my location.>>107755028gabe is the last great white boomer alive, hes a representation of what the world could have been but never will be
>>107753948Where can I find this? Asking for my son.
>>107750145All of this, and>barely there drm that's not even required and some games don't even have it>the social aspect: you can compare your gaming progress to your friends>just werks, is practically easier than pirating
>>107757363ask this guy>>107753852
>>107757471Why?
Apple-tiers cult.
>>107752405there are definitely ready up candidates inside the company to replace gaben
>>107758221Gabe will just give the shares of valve to his kids, they'll sell them to tencent, tencent will allow you to migrate some games to your epic account. But hey, you could just have chosen not supporting DRM shit.
>>107758196What cults are you a part of?
>>107758339Cult of my ancestors.
I love all the fantasy around gabe's death or steam closing down or whatever is perceived as a "catastrophe scenario" by DRM retards. The funnniest of them, and it's the oldest is >but gabe has a secret key he always has on him and if steam is threatened he just has to use the key and all the games are drm free>and bankrupted valve will maintain server for 2 years for everybody to download the gamesThese guys are fucking nuts.
>>107758364Gabe is a benevolent dictator. So when he dies it is indeed literally over. Just like in the Roman Empire life isn't the same anymore when a dictator dies and is replaced by another one.
>>107749765> Provide unlimited hosting of your game, globally> Provide a simple method for distributing patches/updates to your customers> Provide a sales platform that manages hundreds of different currencies as well as regional pricing> Provide multiplayer services> Provides instant price changing for sales/events> Provide general communication between players (Discussions) as well as direct communication to your customers (Developer Updates)> Provides a shitload of metrics to help with your decision making (everything from hardware surveys to help you make performance targets to wishlisting to help you guage pre-sale demand)> Provides pre and post sale advertising for your games> Provides the Early Access system to allow you to generate revenue during development> Has an incredibly low barrier to entryAll of this is provided to you in exchange for 30% of your sales. Its a pretty good deal.
>>107752351Nu-/g/ doesn't know this, but back in the old days a publisher would literally take 70% of a game's sales and give the developer 30%.The reason Steam was so successful with third parties (once the quirks were worked out) was because Valve literally flipped that and gave developers 70% of their game's sales revenue instead.
>>107749765They basically got all the flamewar sides together under the same thing and fixed most of their problems. Doesn't matter if it is Windows/macOS/Linux or consoles, VR etc. They got even large portion of the piracy community to switch via free/cheap/stolen keys and easy to use game library. Handheld users like it. Even the developers like Valve.Even I as a drm hating anon just watch from the side, being happy they fixed most of my FOSS problems. Also considering there is no computers or network hardware without proprietary blobs/chips (no, even FSF tier hardware has those) I am ok with the valve/steam hardware.
>>107754228How do you fight for Windows?
>>107758364Why you retards keep talking about DRM like it's a big thing? Gog is DRM free and it means nothing.
>>107749765customer first
>>107753871>15% tax when Epic does it>>BAD>30% tax when valve does>>BASED!
>>107758711by buying up its stocks and forcing change, duh
>>107749765They do nothing and win.
They offer the best service to customers, be it users or publishers.>muh 30%What makes more profit? Selling 100 items minus a 30% cut or selling 10 items with a 10% cut? >muh free games on chinese shit storeIf you're really that much of a poorfag you're not interesting to publishers in the first place.
>>107759058rofl
>>107760054Not to mention that Epic launcher is abysmal dogshit compare to steam it's out for years and it's simply hard to use, it lacks features and everything is fucking laggy. Steam works like charm + support is great.
>>1077584991)Unlimited sales, storage and distribution services is not new or amazing. It’s basic business.2) Valve never talk to people, they talk to the journalists. Customer support will never tell you about HL3.3) Information is useless, indie developers don’t use it. Publishers use Google Analytics and other tools. There is nothing worthy of Steam basic analytics.4) Valve doesn’t provide advertising, many indie developers never see more than 1000 views without advertising outside of Steam. Early Access rules change, they better off using itchio first.5) $100+30% is not a low entry, they do not accept other currencies.Anon shut the fuck up you cultist.
>>107760054>If you're really that much of a poorfag you're not interesting to publishers in the first place.fucking /thread
>>107758548Nice try, you disingenuous faggot.Obviously, back when games were mostly on physical media, you had to make the discs and ship them all over the fucking country which is why you paid a publisher to help you with costs, creation of the media, marketing, etc. The publisher always took a large cut because doing this on your own was impossible and the fact that the goods were physical meant that if the game ended up being a stinker (protip: it usually was) the discs were just sitting around in their warehouses. From the perspective of a developer of a digital-only game Steam isn't a publisher, it's a retailer. The closest analogy is GameStop.Valve originally set their take at 30% because that is what physical retailers took. The key difference is that there is NO BASIS for the 30% when selling digital goods.With physical goods the retailer has to cover costs like shipping, logistics, storage, stocking shelves, handling physical returns, etc. Valve doesn't have to do any of that. They can "stock" 100,000,000,000,000 copies of your game for the same price they can stock 1. Unsold copies represent no risk. Returns are a few bits flying through wires after a couple clicks. Obviously digital storefronts have huge advantages for both sides over physical, but to pretend that >30% is actually cheapIs just a blantant fucking lie.
>>107760396What storefront do you use?
>>107760604Itchio allows you to set percentage in any number (0% as well). A small company is better than a corporate billionaire business.
>>107750145>had zero ads and cancer even back then, still has zero ads and cancerAre you joking? I literally can't open a game (that I paid for) without steam hitting me with a popup ad
>>107760698didn't configure his settings award
>>107760396You're right that 30% is much more than what they need, but they do need SOME money for infrastructure since they serve a fuckton of game data at high speeds across the planet.
>>107760396steam handles everything for you thoughyou just upload the files and it's done
>>107760396>From the perspective of a developer of a digital-only game Steam isn't a publisher, it's a retailer. The closest analogy is GameStop.Valve is the publisher.It is the means by which a game is made available to the public.The "publisher" of a game is just an investor if the game is only available through publishers like Steam, GOG, itch or Epic.If you prefer one of the other publishers, then that's fine, but they're not a retailer since they don't sell small quantities or boxes.
>>107760758I completely agree with that. They need to take enough to cover their costs and earn profit. I'm not saying valve should be a 0% storefront, just that 30% is a completely arbitrary number that has no basis in reality and was carried over from the past.Apple's appstore, Google's playstore, Xbox, playstation, they all charge 30% because it is "the industry standard".Why is it the industry standard? Why isn't there any downward market competition on pricing?The answer is that each of those digital storefronts (except Google play) has a monopoly in their respective space. No digital store competitors can effectively break into the space because the digital goods are not granted the same freedom of movement as physical goods were.To go back to the "old/unc" analogy If you bought all your games from GameStop, they were now sitting on your TV stand at home. If your local Walmart suddenly decided to add a games section with games on a slight discount, you could go there to buy your next game and add it to your collection.With these digital stores, the game never leaves the possession of the retailer. You can't just switch over to a different store and add games to a shared collection (your tv stand), they are forever tied in to the library of the platform you bought it from, meaning you always need to install Steam/playstore/appstore to access the content you bought from it, even if you later on decide to buy from a different vendor.They've created perfect lock in. Perfect management of your digital rights.
>>107761173>Valve is the publisherNo they are not. They are the publisher of their own games like Counter Strike, Half Life, etc. But they are not analogous to a traditional publisher when it comes to the handling of third-party games.They also aren't a traditional retailer, because they aren't selling physical goods.They are part of a new category of store that sells digital goods. They handle distribution and (digital) logistics (like a traditional publisher would have) but they also stock the product, handle payments, returns, consumer service like a traditional retailer would have. In that sense they are a blend of both, but sense Valve offers no financing or investment into the development or marketing of the game they are not a publisher.
>>107760698It's not ads, it's the thing you fucking OPTED IN FOR when making the account.
>>107752378If the 30% is a Steam tax, why do I pay it on EGS too even though their tax is supposedly 12%?
>>107761175This is just an issue with Noosphere Monopoly laws (aka IP law), and by extension also Extortionate Regulatory Protections (aka DRM).The end goal of Noosphere Monopoly law is consolidation and monopolies, because the government considers them more easily tractable, even if that paradigm has spiraled quite a bit out of the control of individual governments and into the hands of metagovernments that can act at the scale of international corporations.
>>107761287The Price/MSRP of the game is set by the game developer.If Epic games charges devs 12% instead of 30% that means the developer gets a larger share of the retail price.If you buy the game for $70 USD:On Steam:>valve gets 30% ($21), the Dev/Studio gets 70% ($49)On EGS:>epic gets 12% ($8), the Dev/Studio gets ($62)If you're actually asking >hurr durr why aren't the games cheaper thenThat's a different issue entirely, obviously the MSRP of modern games is pretty much established at $60-70 USD because that is what the market consumers will bear at the moment. If all digital distributors took a smaller cut, then the market forces would eventually put downward pressure on the MSRP as the devs wouldn't need to set such a high price to get the same take home revenues. However, since Itch, GOG and EGS are only a teeny tiny fraction of the overall market those market forces are insignificant. The vast vast majority of sales still come through the AppStore, PlayStore, Steam, Xbox and Playstation. So the DevStudios need to price their game MSRP accordingly.
>>107761377>>107761287Oh and I forgot the fact that the large monopoly platforms also use something called "Price Parity" or "Most Favored Nation" clauses in their distribution contracts that prevents developers from offering their game at a lower price on competing platforms. If the dev wants to offer a game for $40 elsewhere, they also need to allow Valve/Apple to offer it for $40.
>>107761377>>107761447I am not talking about games that are on both, I am talking about specifically games that are only on EGS. They are always expensive.Look at this from my perspective as a consumer.I could play 70 USD for some game on Steam or I could play 70 USD for some random game on EGS. The Steam "tax" is 30%, and the EGS "tax" is 12% - this makes LITERALLY no difference to me at all. I get NOTHING out of this. On the other hand, if I buy the game on EGS I get shit service whereas on Steam the service is way more acceptable.This 30% tax thing is completely asinine. Nobody gives a fuck, because it has no effect on the people expected to part with their money.
>>107761509>specifically games that are only on EGSI don't use EGS except to launch Fortnite so I wasn't aware that there were any other exclusive titles. Can you give me some examples?>This 30% tax thing is completely asinineYou're right in that the market itself is unable to realize any of the downward cost pressure so games essentially cost the same to the consumer regardless of storefront, but this is in large part due to the existence of monopoly distributors (valve, apple, google) that effectively prevent lower prices from materializing by taking a 30% cut and setting an MSRP price-floor.The bigger issue caused by the 30% cut is actually around the DRM aspect of the goods being purchased (which unfortunately isn't being solved by Epic at all, they also love strict DRM). Freedom respecting alternative storefronts like GoG have an incredibly tough time actually competing and drawing any marketshare because its direct competitor has a complete monopoly stranglehold on the market and gets to set the price floor for all titles.
>>107761667Alan Wake 2, some Borderlands game (I forgot which one - I think it's on Steam now), Satisfactory (on Steam too now), those Disney games whatever they were called I can't remember the name at all. There are tons of EGS exclusives, but a lot of them end up going to Steam about 1 year after release. I really don't keep track of them, it's not that interesting.As for GoG - as a long time GoG user, the reason they have trouble competing is because the service is bad. Say what you want about Steam, but I never had a situation where I was unable to play games for several months because the client didn't work on my computer. I did have such an experience with GoG. I'm on Linux now so it's no longer a problem, Heroic Games Launcher always works so I can buy games from GoG again if I want but yeah on Windows with GoG Galaxy it's shit... and don't get me started on those offline installers, I hate those with a burning passion.
>>107761778Interesting. I did find a list of "exclusive" EGS titles, but as you said most seem to have also moved to Steam after some limited time exclusivity-period expired. It is worth noting that Alan Wake 2 and Satisfactory were both also available on Xbox and PlayStation at launch and Alan Wake actually did have a lower MSRP on EGS ($50) compared to the console release ($60). That was probably more of a marketing stunt for Epic than a genuine aspect of downward pricing pressure.>the service is bad.I agree it needs a lot of work, but they'll need a lot of money and manpower to get to feature and convenience parity with Steam and AFAIK they basically make no profit so it's a chicken-and-egg problem. The ultimate problem again lies with the DRM aspect of Steams game library. Literally every single PC gamer has their library in Steam. Even if they all switched over to GoG tomorrow and never bought another game in Steam for the rest of time, they still need to install Steam on their PC to access all the content they already paid for, so competing with that is damn-near impossible.
>>107761938EGS is losing massive amounts of money, so competing seems to be a problem for everyone - not just GoG. Nobody beside Steam is making any money on this.BTW I don't think it's fair to say they are lacking in money and manpower. CD Project has 1100 employees, with around 600 of them are working on games. Epic Games has over 4000 employees. Valve by comparison has only 336.I think people oversell how big of a deal having more than 1 launcher is. I have Heroic (supports GoG and EGS, among others), Steam, Starsector and Tarkov on my computer right now and I use all of them. The problem is that if I want to use GoG or EGS I have to use Heroic. Now, I'm not gonna say it's bad.. but a third party is doing the job that both Epic Games and GoG should be doing, which is providing me - a customer of theirs, with a service. Lets be fair here.Even though both EGS and GoG do provide a launcher that is usable on Windows, the Windows launcher is dogshit. Straight up.
>>107749765Stability. Steam has existed for decades and if you bough a now delisted game like mafia 1 a decade ago, you can still play it. If you bought project zomboid on desura you don't have it anymore. If you bought minecraft before microsoft they tried to steal it from you.Features. Even if you don't use one, somebody else does and they can't get it anywhere else. It's to the point I can't think of a single feature of another store that steam doesn't have. Most of them are just shop, library, friends list and a chat, and everything else except store is shit.
>>107752676You control what you buy retard
>>107752378>forcing everyone to go through you with no/extremely tedious option to avoid your 30% cut = bad>taking a 30% cut from developers and users that went out of their way to go through you = goodThe cut itself is norally beutral, it's how you get it
>>107749765>don't treat customers poorly>idiots on /g/: "why is steam so popular???"huhIt will forever be a mystery.
>>107752378Epic didn't make the games cost less so fuck them too.>inb4 free gamesI will happily spend TIm's money on free games and then never spend a dime on Epic. Get fucked timmy. in fact I buy a steam game on sale everytime I get a free one from Epic
>>107753871i sound like this, based valve and fuck fortnite company
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>>107760396How horrible. The hecking developerinos now make only 70% instead of 30%. I am literally shaking.
>>107749852This is the real answer, the company does what its leadership wants, going public creates a rift between what the company does, and what its purpose is, shareholders only care about making money, and will sacrifice anything and everything that the company does to do that.
>>107763128They do treat people poorly, Steam made you give up your rights to sue them. They fought in French courts to stop digital resell. Valve is fighting in American courts over unfair practices as individuals don’t receive compensation or benefits.They are criminals anon.
>>107766115>nooo they really do treat you like shit i promise!!!yea that must be why epic and the microsoft store are doing so well :')
>>107765366Its incredible how these suits manage to dress up obvious common sense into seeming earthshattering lessons of business.
>>107749765>Steam so succesfull?Because steam actually listens to its users? If you had told me in 2011 that I could play steam games like if they were consoles titles without microsoft, nintendo or sony, I'd tell you were a crazy console peasant yelling in the street.
Valve has an invested userbase and its extraordinarily hard to peel users away from a platform they are invested in. Valve knows this well, they spent billions on linux and almost two decades working to improve it and it has a 3% marketshare on steam even though windows 11 is horrible.
>>107767465Linux is also pretty bad if you have Nvidia graphics, and most gamers do. Maybe not as bad as Windows 11, but it's still not gonna make you fall in love with it
>>107753389It's more anti Semitic than anti American.
>>107767435Also the fact that Gabe is the reason why Windows as a gaming platform is even considered in the first place from porting DOOM(WinDoom) to windows from DOS, he's looking to make Linux considered a gaming platform over windows with steam being at the front, which is pretty nuts
>>107752351>holds the game libraries of its userbase hostageThis has always been the most stupid argument. I play most games once and then never touch them again. Couldn't care less if 90% of my library was wiped tomorrow. Same as the "at least you could sell your games on CD" crowd, nobody wants to buy your shit CDs, I ended up throwing all my games on CD away because nobody wanted them even for free.
>>107752378Wait until you find out how much "tax" you pay on your groceries
Because they provide a good service.
>>107765366All they had to do was not treat customers like shit and let the devs experiment.They're fucking Amazon; they could fund a team of devs for a decade with the spare change hanging around in Bezo's couch. Honestly these fuckers are just fucking insane.
>>107749765>succesfullSuccessful. One L.
>>107766408The ultimate life truthpill is learning how to turn your common sense into a way HR roasties and suits understand, jobs will start flowing in. Since its common sense to you, it doesnt require more thought than just spewing out a stream of consciousness and making it sound intelligent with a few big words and buzzwords.
>>107770225>spewing out a stream of consciousness and making it sound intelligent with a few big words and buzzwords.Common sense to me means not doing that. People who do that don't seem to have any sense at all.
>>107749765It just works. It does exactly what it's supposed to do. It's unobtrusive. No subscription, no bullshit.
>>107754537Yep. Realize that its those """people""" that you are talking to in every thread.
>>107770264And thats why you're a namefag thats unemployed you lack common sense
>>107766408>>107770172turns into a sales pitch at the end kek
>>107770418Kek, kek. Kek, kek. Kek, kek. Kek, kek.
>>107760396>>107758548Lol just ignore the shills, Valve has a huge PR team that posts on 4chan /v/ and /g/. Yes there are fans, but the discussion is carefully steered.As someone who has worked in gaming, we all hate Valve. They have a huge ego from selling other people's games and inventing the battlepass/NFT scams. Their employees get 8-figure bonuses from the huge amounts of revenue the 30% brings in.At least people are starting to see them for what they are. Lazy, entitled, woke retards who leech off of everyone else and probably played a huge part in the late 2010s downfall of gaming as a result of their monopoly.
>>107749765Gabe is a Genius. I know what the secret is, there is a lot of things. I'm not going to list them, but out of all the techs we find difficult to develop, Gabe has conquered all of them.
Gabe Newel AccomplishmentsTF2 Mastery? TickHL2? TickHL1? TickHL3? AlmostGary's Mod Mastery? TickLeft 4 Dead 2? TickFruit Ninja? TickTrue mastery? Tick
>>107749765>don't completely fuck people overThat's it.
>>107774038>As someone who has worked in gaming, we all hate Valve.I'm sure you hate them, after all they mog you constantly and relentlessly. Must be frustrating.
