>Companies are quiet quitting AI
>Reviewing codengmi
>>107757505no they aren't
>>107757505No, they keep using it and they will use it even more in the future
>>107757505Yeah, this has been a problem for me, but mainly because we don't have good automated testing to catch bugs
>>107757505Is this the guy who used $260,000 of tokens in one month?
>>107757517>>107757523https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/gen-ai-workplace-surveys
Yeah I had to stop using it, it makes too much progress for me to keep up with.
>>107757540>december 2025Outdated information
>>107757540That website is run by anti-AI shills.
>>107757582how can you shill being against something?are you retarded?
>>107757582I think "Critic" is the term you're looking for here.
>>107757505AI generated code is for little snippets here and there that you can check for correctness on the spot. If you're building entire applications with nothing but codegen, you're a retard.
>>107757609>>107757616We call them "luddite trannies" on here
>>107757505Sounds like anti-AI cope. If your team can't review AI generated code then it couldn't review code to begin with, or they have zero vcs in place and have no idea what code is being generated and where. There is nothing agentic editors are doing that is so beyond human comprehension. That's not how it works lmao.
>>107757609He's an LLMtard yeah
>>107757609>how can you be a shill against something that threatens your job and livelihood and instead promote the thing that would keep your jobGee idk anon, that's a real tough one to think about!
>>107757629>wanting a product that isn't low effort garbage is being a luddite
>>107757667It's a lot easier to review code if someone on the team actually wrote it lmao
Your little (((kingdom))) will soon come crashing down. Where you gonna hide then, cocksucker?
>>107757517>>107757523>>107757582>>107757629>>107757667Posts that you can smell
>>107757505Plot twist - the glorified chatbot has no idea what it actually spits out and will never make proper documentation about it so debugging such code is just pain in the ass. A lot of chatbots has also tendency to openly fight with the user when they point out even the most obvious errors. And you cannot even go to management and urge them to fire such clueless fucker because it's not even a real person.
>>107757838actually if you ask it to generate documentation it does a better job of generating codethis is all irrelevant though, make your judgement based on the latest Claude model because it's the best for whole project work at the moment.
>>107757517>>107757523>>107757582>>107757667>>107757629@grok put in bbc anal
He didn't add "make no mistakes" to the end of his prompt.
>>107757667> ai shits pr with 1000 loc> do 20x of those> team can’t keep up to verify if its good or nothere’s your problem
>>107757505No wonder. Everybody thought it would save them development time. They forgot it extends QA time, and we know most companies fail at QA.
>>107757505Steve's not. New insanity just dropped, you want some beads with those agents? https://steve-yegge.medium.com/welcome-to-gas-town-4f25ee16dd04
>>107757505>Anon our shipping velocity means no code review.>Fix it and let AI deal with the shit
>>107757609peak irony
>>107757756just gonna nuke israel and sit back and relax
>>107757912That's a skill issue that should have been addressed by their manager or team lead on how often code reviews were to be done based off code generated. Has nothing to do with AI or not. If someone (AI or human) is writing 1000s of loc and making a PR without any prior review and the rest of your team has to sit down and review your mess it's going t o be a shitshow either way.>>107757748There's very little difference if you have half a braincell.
>>107758121>There's very little difference if you have half a braincell.Yes, I imagine so.
>>107757505>we should review the code just because okay??? we must read code line by line like code interpreters okay???kekdo you remember the last time code review prevented a bug? never happens, it's all useless nitpicking about variable names and code structure that literally doesn't matter, absolute waste of time if you have tests and qa
>>107758121Have you tried using AI? It doesn’t know when to stop and make minimal changes. It’s verbose af.
>>107758132lel so true. Some fag at work reviewed one of my PRs and threw a tantrum because I commented my code (he read Uncle Bob's meme book and concluded that code must have zero comments), and we had a multi-day argument about this. At some point during our argument I noticed that my code and my comment describing it were at odds, the code was wrong but of course the reviewer didn't notice.
>>107757667In normal times code review is a huge bottleneck that slows everything to a crawl and makes you adapt by shitting out as little new code as possible.
>>107757523Correct, the dooming cope is hilarious.
>>107758139If your request isn't specific enough, it does tend to overly fulfill the request and include things you didn't want.The key is to make the right kinds of requests.>write a function that...Works pretty well, in my experience.
>>107757505>it's so much harder to review the AI code than writing things yourselfThis point is lost on most "AI" users because the argument only applies in a professional setting where experienced developers who know what they're doing write nontrivial software. Webmonkeys working on their generic and dead-on-arrival e-business can't comprehend such a statement because ShatGPT et al can vomit semi-working snippets for any generic task using any of the 50 libraries they use as dependencies. Imagine the productivity boost over reading the manual for each one and leaning how to do basic things with them without help!
>>107757912Just have it reviewed by an AI, bro.
>>107757629On the Indian subcontinent?
>>107757629>We
>>107758132>it's all useless nitpicking about variable names and code structure that literally doesn't matterCode review is a tool for middle management to sustain their power base.
>>107758459>Just have it reviewed by an AI, bro.If you tell it to find a flaw, it will find a flaw. Every time. It will never be flawless.
>>107758517Just put it acceptance criteria in its instruction, a threshold where it considers the commits acceptable. Can easily be done with custom instruction files.
>>107758459>let AI write the code>let AI review the code>let AI do testing and QA>let AI sell the output..Somewhere in the not so far future, we have a bunch of AI's and one CEO that claims his 'AI stopped making money' and someone needs to 'fix it' so it makes money again.. >but what is your AI supposed to do? ..dunno it's supposed to make money
>>107758531Sure, but that's too much work for AI vibe coders.Also middle management doesn't want AI to do that. Middle management still needs people to manage, as middle management is too stupid for things like checking AI code reviews or carrying responsibility for AI results.
>ITT: literally insane jeets think statistical token stringers can magically recognize and correct their own errors if you just ask them nicely to
>>107757517Yes they are. The other issue is scaling.AI requires far too much right now for larger projects. It has negative cost efficiency for enterprise let alone consumers.
>>107758555The biggest problem is that you don't know what the AI code actually does.You could review it all by humans, but then you waste the immense speed advantage of AI and have to still pay the humans in addition to AI.
>>107757505That's a round about way of saying the his code reviewers are incompetent.
>>107758590>lose the technical argument>revert to "humans are le bad" talking pointAbsolute clockwork. Every time you see this, it's a spambot posting.
>>107758555i was dealing with Expo's transparentmodal issue last night (to display a background image), and stupid ass AI didn't know about it
Is there a way to use a local AI model in Visual Code? All the extensions seem to only exist to shill their own online middle man service.
>>107757505Meaning: it's too good and the people reviewing it don't understand it
>>107758644>it's so heckin' good!!!>that's why it doesn't work and needs human supervision and intervention You don't have AI, anon. You have MI (mental illness).
>>107758607Skill issue, you could just plug it to a mcp with the current doc.
>>107757517Companies that care enough about code quality to review it instead of shipping whatever slop the machine shits out, are.
>>107758634I tried out 3 30 Billion parameter models and they all failed to act as agents.
>>107758132>>107758504jesus christ you are retards. Please stop working in this field
>>107758685Companies are mainly deathly afraid of shipping software they could get sued over. That's why they do all these code reviews.
>>107757505Good luck with that. Quitting AI is not an option because management will still expect the same speed when you were using AI.
>>107759206Spotted the Pajeet middle manager.
>>107759225>Quitting AI is not an option because management will still expect the same speed when you were using AI.Then drop """AI""" slop and just take longer toilet breaks so they never notice the speedup.
>>107759225>Quitting AI is not an option because management will still expect the same speed when you were using AI.What speed? Apparently that speed was never there. Him bragging about global ranking doesn't seem to be connected to his team.
Another day another cope
>>107759226you are not meant to nitpick on style in the code review. You let the linter and the prettier/detekt/formatter/etc. do the formatting of the code and you focus on the correctness of the logic and the way the framework or libraries are used and how it affects the architecture etc. So your first fucking comment showed how inexperienced or fucking dumb you are and have no idea of basic tooling. Now back to some factory job or whatever you excel at.
>>107759273>you are not meant to nitpick on style in the code review.Sure, but that happens way too often. Especially if the manager is weak and just wants to secure his position.But not like you know. you never had a stable job.
>>107759293sorry but I don't work in some generic bullshit code workplace that has millions of managers like the americans do
>>107757711They'd have to be actively pushing for a product for them to be a shill, retard.
>>107759315Most of the top IT companies happen to be American.
>>107757767>>107757867>>107758468>>107758460>>107758429>>107759246how are trannies still coping so HARD
If AI is so productive and good at coding how come the companies that have invested heavily into it (especially Google) keep shipping products that are missing basic features?
Companies will still use AI as a tool, but OP is right that many are moving away from trying to use it as a human replacement. It's the same problem every time, too many hallucinations that have to be reviewed. Doesn't save money
>>107757505Context is 0-95%Nuance is 95-100%When you write a piece of code from scratch you do all the work to learn the context and nuance up front. So they understand the system, its quarks, they have time to reflect on its side effects, etc.Autogenerated code you dont get any of that. A code review to get the context (0-95) is relatively straight forward, but getting the nuance is very difficult. The difference basically is asking mozart himself about his music vs asking someone who can play mozarts music. Can you really become mozart by mimicing him a bunch? Not really- thats nuanceIf your low scale low impact, you might survive with slop that ships with no one on the team having nuance. But in any critical system ypur eventually going to try_unwrap() the internet for a day like cloudflare didAi doesnt solve human i/o rate limiting stepWise move from this dev but id ask to keep the single line autocomplete feature in the windsurf vim extension, thats about max ai to build nuance effectively without shortcuts
>>107757505kek, this next generation of models is going to make /g/ shit their pants. Aw who am I kidding. Current models are already better than anyone on /g/.
>>107759456this ser in 2 week you will shit your pants saar
>>107759374Why do you have this picture, are you gay?
>>107759821That is a woman you BIGOT!
>>107759851reminder that Hitler proudly held a paint brush
>>107758554what's the explanation here? Bob was thinking of one of 2 other possible answers which is why he rejected the valid answer that he wasn't thinking of?
>>107759851Bigot and proud of it. And what are you going to do about it?
>>107760118>he rejected the valid answerOpenAI's spambots are getting filtered by bare basics of reading comprehension again. kek
>>107757505>use ai as an excuse to push senior dev through the door>ai doesn't deliver as expected>hire h1b indiansIt was the plan all along.
>>107760189>implying h1bs will deliver tooI for one embrace our civilizational collapse, and that's unironic.
>>107758554Looks like a perfect answer to me. Most likely: one of Bob's primes is 2. ... he just notices there's no 2 in her list.
>>107757505If your AI's code is too hard to review, that's usually a PEBCAK situation. Either you're asking for too much code in one go, or you have a skill issue with reading code.
>>107760154you think bots bother replying to specific posts instead of general thread movement? the puzzle was interesting and i don't see the which criteria are broken based on your description>3 distinct primes (3,11,13 are all primes and different from each other)>their sum less than 30 (27)>concatenation is a palindrome (string reverse of 31113 is 31113 which is the same)the other triplets of above criteria are 3,2,23 and 23,3,2 - is your catch somewhere else?
>>107757505>quiet They announced it on a public forum?You are simply an idiot. Your brain quietly quit and didn’t tell you.
>>107759316>borrow Nvidia stocks>sell borrowed Nvidia stocks>pay shills to preach the end of AI>buy Nvidia stocks at a discount>give Nvidia stocks back to lender>????>PROFIT
>>107759456finally windows 11 will be good
>>107760298holy mental gymnasticsand no, if you wont be doing that unless youre very fucking retardedOR (you control all of the media | you control the government)
>>107760329It's literally called "short selling".
>>107760355>implying youre gonna out-shill the kikesno, its called creative writing
You're supposed to review the code with AI, idiot.
>>107757517Stand in front of a train.
>>107760377>some people would unironically think thatbeing an ai retard, even ironically, should be a bannable offence
>>107757505>programmers stop using AI because the code becomes unmaintainablebullshit rumours at least used to be believable if you had half a brain missing. looking at the absolute fucking state of software you have to be clinically brain dead to believe a fucking word of this.
>>107760415>you have to be clinically brain dead to believe a fucking word of thisGuess I'm brain dead then.
>>107758685>Companies that care enough about code qualityNo such company exists though. Companies only care about a bare minimum of working features that make money/impress shareholders. Your fantasies about clean code and architecture belong to confs where idiots like uncle bob or fowler sperg about it for hours.
Luddite cope thread
>>107760415>>107760426redditroonsisters... not like this...
>>107760426>the people that need a dedicated package for is-odd and slap 20 frameworks on top of ruby on rails are totally concerned with code maintainabilityAre you just being contrarian for the sake of it, we are on /g/ after all, or are you really so disconnected from reality that sentence sounds even remotely realistic and not like the insane ravings of some literal who?
>>107760452>that sentence sounds even remotely realisticWell, it *should* sound realistic, but for some reason we're still pretending that code quality doesn't matter when, at the same time, hardware and energy costs go through the roof and processors spend hundreds of clocks going absolutely nothing.Thinking about that is just too uncomfortable for most people.
>>107757505not sure what no name company he works for but at amazon we're still scaling up ai usage rapidly, it's almost entirely hands off at this point.
>>107760471>for some reasonAs depressing as it is you can explain it in five words really.>well it worked so far..I'm not saying things will never change but we're only now beginning to see a real relevantly sized bottleneck in the future available hardware for consumers and businesses alike so it will probably still take at least some years before a relevant percentage of programmers starts realizing that they can no longer rely on exponentially shittier code being compensated for by exponentially better hardware.
>>107760550>well it worked so far..No it hasn't. It worked with massive transistor size reductions AND massive horizontal scaling.Kind of. On a good day.
>>107758418so instead of just writing the specific part, you tell the ai to write it for you, why?
>>107760572People still buy shitty software so yeah it absolutely worked as much as I hate it. It shouldn't have..
>>107760595>People still buy shitty softwareDo they? Because I hear people complain about>fell for the 16 GB memeand>muh RAM pricesall the time, and that's *despite* average replacement times having extended from 3-4 to 5-6 years.
>>107758555Anyone using gpt pro or Claude 45 knows these things one shot basically everything complicated and they only get better, kys
>>107760637The 16GiB shit is an ancient meme and RAM prices have just spiked, tons of people are still sitting on 16-32GB RAM systems, laptops obviously less so. Point being again it will take time for us to see the real impact. Software won't become unusable overnight, we'll just see the same performance loss with every update and feature we've seen for the last 20-30 years until it reaches a point where it becomes unsustainable. We're sadly not at that point yet. We might see rapid change when major companies go for their next round of office PC renewals but that's pure speculation, who the fuck knows what the hardware market will look like at the end of this year never mind a few years from now.
>>107757517>>107757523>>107757564>>107757582>>107757629>Vibe Coders: BTFO and having to COPE now.Tick-Tock, Vibers. Your shit code will be found and promptly deleted as you're fired.
>>107760291>i'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10. what's my number?>>it's 7>nah>>you're heckin' rejected my valid answer!!
>>107760688You are scared. You will be replaced
>>107757505>>Companies are quiet quitting AII got quiet quit by my company, because 5 senior programmers with AI help can be used to do the work of our old 12 people team.
>>107760686>who the fuck knows what the hardware market will look like at the end of this yearDoesn't really matter except for RAM and GPU, because CPUs only see incremental changes anyway, and NVMes are unutilizable by our shitty kernels. RAM only gets away with it because of its size, not its speed, and GPUs have their interfaces and drivers updated constantly.
>>107758418Tried that. Then you end up realising you don’t need it and specificaly tell the AI to specifically refactor, and then the AI starts mixing context and starts shitting stuff you didn’t quite ask.
>>107760355Occams razor outs you as an AI bagholder thoughbeit
>>107760835I'm an accelerationist.
>>107760841and what are you accelerating?
>>107760904A dildo in his anus
>>107760904My cum into your mom.
AI tools increase coding speed, but coding speed isn’t the bottleneck for organizational output. Instead it's judgment, review capacity, and integration.AI disproportionately boosts lower-skill contributors by increasing output without increasing correctness. That shifts workload onto the strongest engineers, who have to maintain the quality and design bottlenecks, further worsening the process congestion which has been building for years due to rampant de-skilling and offshoring.None of the real productivity barriers that existed in the day to day ops of any org bigger than 3 people and their dog have been improved by modern AI tech. They've been made worse. If you haven't noticed this then you are probably one of the people making it worse and are not load-bearing in your org.
>>107760904The collapse of the world economy.
>>107760904SLOP
>>107760995>sex orNo.
>>107761039What about destroying the global economy through sex?
>>107761057Sex *increases* the amount of exploitable workers, keeping the economy running.
>>107761078not if it's gay sex
>>107761078>condoms>the pill>godlike pull-out game like the founding fathers intended>a billion other alternativesSex without reproduction has been solved a long time ago. And if you have a breeder fetish just make 20 children and raise them to be guerrilla fighters or something idk
>>107761081>>107761091>neutered sexWhat effect is that supposed to have on the world economy?
>>107761091>godlike pull-out gameyou are basically a literal faggot at that point
>>107761117Faggots don't pull out. You're lower than that.
>>107761091>condomsmicroplastics in ur dingdong>the pillhormones from girl pee enter the water supply and infeminate u. this is happeneing regardless of whether ur girl takes the pill bc so many other girls are>godlike pullout gameliterally cucking urself>a billion other alternativesthis is a dogwhistle for fagotry/saddamy>sex without reporductiona sin against godthread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nguRuwWqKg
>>107761185>Christcuck>illiterate ESL probably turd worlder
>>107757609holy retard
>>107760926This is it to be honest. If anything I want my juniors to take more time to ship and to ship it right. I want to give them autonomy at the end of the day so I can trust their output and that they will make the right choice. AI blindsides them to evolve in that direction.
>>107760686cloud computing,that's my guess.No more personal computers,20 per month for high-mid pc ,50/60 for high-end pc.
Company pushed harder for AI so I started using it more. There is nothing more embarrassing than not being able to explain your code in a PR.
> quiet quitting> announce on twitter
>>107757505This is why I'm getting into coding in 2026. Anyone with non-subhuman IQ is able to see that AI merely creates more problems than it solves. The upside is that dumb people and people with no passion have been filtering themselves out of the field. Hopefully this goes on for a few years more to create a larger talent vacuum when every other company follows suit with dropping AI.
>>107757582GOOD MORNING!
>>107757667your post made me think I was on HN for a second there
>>107758321turns out he was right to call you out on that. hilarious that in a story meant to puff you up yourself you can't even make yourself look halfway good
>>107766519>HN overtaken by ai-retardslamao. truly, orange reddit
>>107766538He was right to block my PR until I delete all comments while missing the bug that he would have caught had he paid attention to the comments he wanted me to delete? Please elaborate.
>>107766553he was right that comments are bad because you served him up a golden case on a platter of the eventual decoupling between comments and code. except it's not even an eventual thing here.
>>107766553(nta)>At some point during our argument I noticed that my code and my comment describing it were at oddsso how would the comment indicate theres a bug?the code wouldlike in a normal effing reviewgo back, reddityoure intelectually malodorous
>>107766580The bug was in an if statement with two conditions, without a comment it wasn't clear what was the intention behind that statement, with a comment it was clear what I was trying to do yet the two reviewers still didn't catch it because they were stupid faggots, one only interested in asking retarded off-topic questions and the other less interested in catching bugs than in making others write things the way they would have written them.>>107766577>he was right that comments are badYou zoomers are crazy lmao. Before your retarded cult it was common wisdom that code could always use more comments, now you retards go around tell people with who were doing your job when you were in middle school that they're wrong for writing comments, and you're oddly angry about it too, like comments really bother you. Zoomers are rigid like that, if you don't do things their way they blow a gasket.>the eventual decoupling between comments and codeThe only way to figure out what I was trying to do with my buggy code was because I documented my intention behind the code in plain English. I only noticed the bug due to noticing the discrepancy between the code and the comment.
>>107766672>yet the two reviewers still didn't catch it because they were stupid faggots,you saw the same code. you read the same commentyoure the one who wrote em, even
>>107766672zoomers? was the guy that gave you a hard time in review younger than you or something? I'm curious why you'd think me defending a boomer thing makes me a zoomer.
>>107757517>>107757523>please god please its not a bubble please use LLMs please please please please
>>107766672if your code isnt self commenting (apart from cases where you might have to explcitly explain why that code is doing what its doing) you already fucked upyou sound like the kind of retard to put// if num less than oneif (num < 1)
>>107759443the fix is AI that writes code good enough it just werks. we're rapidly approaching that point
>>107759456in terms of shitting out code snippets LLMs are better than any human, but they are utterly fucked by context window length when it comes to codebases larger than a couple klocif it doesn't know about something it can't take it into account, and eventually it won't be able to know about most of the codebase
> anecdotal evidencelolhttps://www.gallup.com/workplace/699689/ai-use-at-work-rises.aspxsorry about affording a VidyaStation 6 or whatever
>>107767661>we're rapidly approaching that pointQuantity of weeks until goal is achieved: two more
>>107757667The people saying otherwise are just too behind to understand what they're talking about. They only use chat bots and are 12m+ behind. They've never used agentic coding solutions with proper scaffolding before, they don't understand just how much you can control agents with rules. Following a detailed architecture description with strict defensive coding strategies throughout, following a consistent coding style, linting, unit tests, etc. It's a bitch to learn how to set all this up and get it working reliably but once you do you barely even need to review code. You can generally skim to make sure it follows your rules and keep going. AI slop is what happens when people don't understand the concept of a stochastic tool and expect deterministic results with no deterministic scaffolding. Skill issue.
>>107767721sounds simpler, easier and faster to just code it myself
>>107767734A lot more devs were in this boat 18 months ago but it's definitely changing now. Main difference is probably reasoning models vs copilot-level slop
>>107767751i'm not using your jeetware for anything at all
>>107757517>>107757523>retards dont knowhttps://pivot-to-ai.com/
>>107767801Sites like this and Futurism and /r/technology are just kinda cope for people whose careers aren't going too well at the moment. Yeah the AI bubble will probably pop but that doesn't mean you're going to benefit lmao. You're mid-career and software development peaked last decade. Nobody's crawling back to you. There are always younger devs who are far better. It's over.
>>107767827>i actually dont give a fuck about ai i just want you to feel bad about yourselfthat train left the station the moment you showed your handim screenshotting your post and my reply btwthis may come in handy in the future
>>107767860Holy fuck I do not care hahaha
>>107767880you sure?
>>107757505you have less context if you use AI code as you can assume most people are just pasting it and not reading it to understand it.
>>107757517Accurate to say the companies aren't. I work for a huge one, and they bought licenses for everyone. But after you find there's a random chance with a weighting of about 20% for it to completely fabricate quotes, saying they're from John X in Legal, or you waste an hour converting some docs and minutes into an exec slide pack only to finally get sick of it once again doing the thing you told it to stop doing 2 prompts ago, and too just do the work yourself in 20 minutes, Everyone just stops using it. The company's solution? They licensed a second LLM.I go through this every 2 years ish. Some exec of transformation or the like brings in the latest version of agile or we retire an essential tool for something entirely different that they're convinced will be better. And the wasted tools are enforced for a year ish, zombie on for another 5 and then get replaced. One year we went from several atlassian solutions that, while underwhelming, worked together, to an entirely new project/epic/staff timesheeting/risk tracker all in one tool and literally daily half hour standups with 60 people and physical printed cards on a massive wall for kanban tracking where we all discussed it live, then an intern then spent that appeared to be all their time transposing into the app.But a physical card on a wall doesn't tell you that an initiative, epic whatever has been pushed back 40 fucking times. That wasn't that long ago same there is no vestige of the physical system, and the all in one tool is down to one function with 5 new tools to do all the others. We'll get there, we're wasting money on meme shit because if you don't have an AI strategy and your CEO isn't constantly spouting how AI embracing you are, you are leaving money on the table. It's not in the top three most retarded anti productivity things we do.
>>10775750560 PRs a day implies he's one of these fuckers shitting up people's day with low effort, low quality slop PRs. He was likely doing the same before at a mere 5 PRs a day. I strongly suspect his "team" wishes painful death on him both before and after AI.
AI defenders are webshits and pajeets
>>107768942all companies talking about PRs and closing bugs but nobody is releasing. what impressive piece of software came out in the last year?
>>107767721ok, what's your setup? what stack? some things are easier to test than others
>>107757505We used ours for about a month and we all collectively just gave upOur bosses wimpered a little because they signed a two year contract but when the entire company gives it the middle finger it's a little hard to stand by it.
