This is the closest thing we have to magic. Inscribe complex and mystic patterns into material and it can do anything.>inb4 it's not magicYeah, sure, explain how it's not. You can't.
>>107765141I understand it, so it's not magic.
>>107765141I too watched the veritasium video
oh yeah the machine that makes atoms it's bitch using mini supernovas. i fucking love semiconductors.
>>107765161what do these do
>>107765141My penis is infinitely more complex.So, by your definition it's not a penis, it's a magic wand.
>>107765183Wafer inWafer out... ye fucking muslim moron.
>>107765161No you don't lol
>>107765194Yeah but what do they do inshallah
>>107765188I'd wager that the number of features and parts and processes is greater in CPU manufacturing than in the functioning of your dick (pretty simple and small).
>>107765183It's part of the cooling system for the laser.>>107765204The concepts aren't that hard to understand.
>>107765232The concept of a car moving also isn't.
>>107765222>DNA is simpler than a CPU laser etcher holy retard
>>107765243>The concept of a car moving also isn't.Exactly.I don't know the details of building an internal combustion engine, but that doesn't make it magic. I understand the broad concept of how it works.
>>107765183those are the robotitties
>>107765141One well placed thermite charge could bring the entire global chip market to a halt.Crazy to think about.
>>107765141Good episode.
>>107765222Read a mothafukin' book nigga.
>>107765141We call it "geomancy">inb4 it's not magicno no "magnets", you misheard.
The cleanest room in the world by the way.
>>107765172Youtube intellectuals and their audience are the worst thing since the holocaust
>>107765141Friendly reminder that the veritasium guy who spawned all these threads, worships Bill Gates, and for all the wrong reasons.
>>107765141"mystic patterns">look inside >its lego pieces stacked in layers
>>107765920are there right reasons?
its not magic, but computational lithography may as well be, all things considered. especially when you consider that basically every FAB "solves" the problem differently.there are maybe 3 decent videos on youtube talking about how batshit insane masks get below 65nm. one guy even attempted to talk about Intels double/quad patterning they were doing for 14nm. he got it sort of right and sort of wrong. basically no one has made double patterning work except intel.
>>107765141Nope, every part of that machine is understood by someone, follows predicted outcomes that the people working on them understand and the people building it understood 100% of that thing. Do you know what is actual magic? AI neural networks. It’s just clump of nodes that you feed training data and it somehow understands things, sometimes. There isn’t a single person that understands how any of it works on larger scale, and why it does the stuff it does to the point of people not being sure if it even does the stuff it does (people arguing over if it understand riddles for example or just repeats some simple pattern in training data). And the process of making them is not science, it’s alchemy with people making almost vibe-based hypotheses and then seeing the results, stuff like asking themselves if the LLM would improve if we gave it scratchpad, or if we ran a parallel LLM on the side that would rewrite the prompt to only include the important tokens and then save up on the amount of input tokens on long context tasks. Sure there are some math improvements done to the frameworks but most of it is just random unproven gut feelings ideas put to test to see if it works or not.
>>107765986Bruh SAQP saw industry wide heavy usage get the fuck out of here
>>107765984Yes, he gave niggers in Africa free condoms so they reproduce less
>>107765984Not really, but at some point in time he was looked up to for being a rank nerd and successful businessman, and those things weren't bad on their own.
>>107766021Well, he did make good OS that gained a big name and legacy strong enough for the current crop of incompetent jeets to still ride on even if every single core feature is broken and overbloated.
niggas was fabbing transistors 70 years agotheres no reason you cant with modern off the shelf tech
I figured out why we're getting spammed with threads about this. It's cuz an eceleb who's wrong all the time made a video about them. Very cringe.
>>107766102And I bet the real reason was that he said “these machines are so hard to understand that no single person knows how to build it entirely, and nobody can build multiple of these, and the intricacy is like real life magic” and then his too stupid to understand audience hears this and think he meant literal magic.
>>107766129I was curious why all these threads started popping up. Like lithography's been a thing for decades. I thought it was just something to do with AI, I didn't know gamer nexus did some eXpOsE on it lol.
>>107766142Yeah, AI is something more close to magic where it can showcase things we thought impossible by means we don’t understand, just throwing data on a machine that tries to mimic it long enough to develop understanding of that data.
So essentially we are living technology too, we are real time ai
>>107766182this made me think now, so the god is possibly a machine creating different worlds non stop, and there must be multiple of these, so we will never know who is the creator
>>107766182Maybe, technology implies human had to build it, but if you ignore that caveat and then also take into account that all particles found in living beings operate the same as in machinery and the more you zoom in the more mechanical life becomes you could argue that all life is organic technology, or just say the whole universe is, but at that point you are just doing stoner philosophy.
>>107766273This is dismissive. Truth is truth regardless of if that person realized it stoned or sober. Let's move past the point about creator-created, that humans are made of the same substance as technology. We are atomic systems, elemental just like technology.
>>107765141The thing about these machines, they're so intricate, it is impossible to grasp the wholeness all at once, to grok the totality of it, it is too complex. It can only be understood reduced to sections.It is an amazing feat of engineering.
>>107766312go to sleep elon
>>107766088True, here is a guy doing photolithography at home with a lithography machine he build himself.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpKx8jPb3H8
>>107766312You could say the same thing about thousands of other pieces of technology. This is why you have multiple engineers working on the same problem.
>>107766102Asianometry did a better video on ASML.
>>107765243cars are also magic
>>107766312>>107766336Well, if you have a look at the SpaceX Raptor engine evolution you can see that the intricacy isn’t always necessary and that someone needs to innovate to streamline things.
>>107767385simpler now tho.
>>107765141This doesn't look to bad to build. You just need a PLC/IPC some motors, flow controllers, camera, safety bs and you're done. Average industrial automation shit. They must be patent trolling if no one has replicated this.
>>107767438What am I even looking at?
>>107767470
>>107765141>the most complex machine ever created by humansburgers in reconstructive surgerybut their psyche will never recover...
>>107767470a chinese electric car
>>107765222
>>107767433raptor 3 is like a work of art.
>>107766312even the simplest things today require a whole society worth of people with different specialties to manufacturethere's a video of someone who decided to demonstrate this by making a toaster from scratch, like really from scratch, down to mining the metals and mica, making some form of plastic, etchttps://youtu.be/5ODzO7Lz_pweven the 3 pound toaster he bought was made up of hundreds of pieces
>This is the closest thing we have to magic
>>107767708how come when people are called reddit on this site it's always over stuff that redditors would never say and when someone says something as reddit as OP it takes forever for them to be called so
>>107767717https://youtu.be/PoJI59K5eAc
>>107767808>_><_<anon, cover that upyoure not supposed to post lewd on a blue board
>>107765999and its a tech that wasn't directly engineered by anyone, just a pattern made by evolution...
>>107765999>>107767887>somehow finds a way to shoehorn llms into thisyou ai retards are something to behold, ngl
>>107765141The human brain is infinitely more complex.
>>107765141>Inscribe complex and mystic patterns into material and it can do anything.>mystic patternsThe patterns themselves are the least mystifying thing about computers. They're very logical and easy to understand. Mere abstractions. All the magic is in the process of inscription.
>>107765999>Do you know what is actual magic? AI neural networks. It’s just clump of nodesIt's actually just pic related.>somehow understands thingsIt doesn't understand anything whatsoever, which becomes obvious when you stop treating it like a ouija board.
>>107765999AI is a fancy search engine you easily impressed jeet
>>107767918never talked about llm, you didnow leave the thread you llm obsessed retard
>>107767947still generates text so coherent it can actually do some math and programming
>>107767983>uses the exact word twice>i never used that wordyoure either very retarded or youre very mentally illin either case you should be posting on /a/ because thats where all the dysfunctionals go
>>107767995mad ?
>>107768004no, im just noticing that youre profoundly retardedas in: developmentally so
>>107765161that just means you are a wizard
>>107767994>it can actually do some math and programmingNo, it can't. It can only regurgitate. It gets mindbroken by any out-of-distribution reasoning task, no matter how simple.
>>107765172For your information I get all of my UV lithography information from the Asianometry youtube channel, not whatever normiesphere channel you are talking about, thank you very much.
>>107767926Now THIS is accurate.
>>107767433 the engines that are too weak to lift the ship.
>>107767469China bought one just to reverse engineer it and they broke it because they let retards like you near it.
Wat m I lookin at
>>107768166based beyond belief
>>107765141these will be $2000 on aliexpress in five years.
>project light through an image, then shrink that image using a lens>use chemical science to etch patterns into different layers Yes…Harry potter magic
>>107765141No, the crazy and magical part is that they have virtually no competition. I swear to god: nothing has hobbled human civilization in modern history more than that there aren't more manufacturers doing modern nano-scale semiconductor fabrication
>>107765141A moron admires complexity, true genius admires simplicity. 99% of that machine is bloat.
>>107765141Amazing what the white man can create when he puts his mind to it
>>107767730only people who use reddit can recognise people from reddit. i've been called a redditor many times, but i couldn't say why, because i've never in my life used reddit
>>107769275i'm sure it could be optimised down to something noticeably simpler, but it's not exactly something you'd sell a lot of, so there's little pressure to optimise the design of the machine itself
>>107769218It's because they're the only company that pursued the long-shot new tech (EUV) while everyone else basically sat on their hands pretending it would never work. So when they get it working and it's suddenly the best fabbing tech on the planet everyone's like wtf how'd this happen
>>107767433Steve Jobs was right. Simplicity truly is the best.
>>107767947>implying people aren't also else-if creatures I bet you're a religitard
>>107769275Which parts specifically are bloat?
>>107769406humans are creatures of WHILE
>>107765141>I'm too much of a nigger to understand White technology, therefore it's magic.Many such cases.Do the world a favour and kill yourself.
>>107769275Prove how smart you are and simplify it then.
Whats the difference between imec and asml? imec just a research center?
>>107765141>This is the closest thing we have to magic.No, this is the farthest thing we have to magic, and it's beautiful because of that. Fuck you, you superstitious bag of barf.
>>107765141can it give me a loving family
>>107765900so thats why asml doesnt hire indians
>>107765906are you saying they aren't real?
>>107771429>you superstitious bag of barf.You can just call them a nigger.You sound less faggy if you just call them a nigger.
>>107765141Full explanation video: https://youtu.be/RXJKdh1KZ0w
>>107765141amerimutts can't build magic waffle machines like europs
>>107769314reddit is just like here but instead of calling people you dont like brown or trannies you search through their post history to find the most right wing adjacent thing they've said and then call them a nazi
>>107772676ASML should have sent that video back to the Chinese.
>>107769365And despite that, and despite it being extremely lucrative, literally nobody else is even attempting to do the same thing
>>107767808that seems like more reflections than strictly necessary
>>107765141>Yeah, sure, explain how it's not. You can't.Magic or miracles would require a suspension of the laws of physics to bring something into existence.If a process doesn't bypass or violate natural laws, then it isn't magicit's just a complex application of those laws.And this shit is: you melt silicongrow a massive crystalslice it into wafersTo create the circuitryyou drop tiny beads of molten tin and blast each one twice with a high-powered laseronce to flatten the drop and a second time to vaporize it into a plasma. That plasma creates the light that shines through a stencil to etch patterns onto the silicon. Those structures process information. It’s not magicit’s just extreme WHITE engineering.
>>107768166king
>>107768511>Perfect reverse engineering You are retarded if you think you can reverse engineer shit without breaking anything especially something with this many components.I make Industrial Automation shit for a living dealing with mostly chemical processes. This shit isn't hard if you have time. China has already reverse engineered this shit. It's not mystical. Most of that shit is probably Swagelok and MKS. They're probably using a Siemens or Beckhoff PLC sprinkled with microcontrollers here and there.It's only expensive because of the mark-up all these companies add. Beckhoff will charge you $2000 for an Atom processor. Swagelok will charge you $1000 for a slight large nut. It's why nobody can build that shit and why Europe is stagnant. Beckhoff for example will charge you $20-40 shipping fees for a digital license sent via an email.
