Pull up a chair, retards. Allow me to explain the final state of computing in the next 15 to 20 years.- Everyone will be using cloud based streaming operating systems. Others will be de-facto banned from the internet because of (((trust))) requirements.- Operating systems will be absolutely riddled with AI, catering to retards with agents and whatever the fuck.- Traditional services like email, sms and all other messengers will disappear.- Local storage will no longer be available to consumers.- Everyone will have a personal storage node. Complete with ISO spec and government standards. A software abstraction. This storage node will contain all your files. It'll be a universal container for everything digital. Including digital ID, licenses, the universal email/messaging replacement. One big blob to rule them all with standards to allow you to move between OS services. Theoretically encrypted.- The entire thing will be tied to your digital ID and will of course be backdoored by governments and providers (for AI training, ad sense, etc).That's the endgame. Centralization of absolutely everything. It will be of course billed as "universal digital presence" and touted as making everything ultra simple for people. One day you are going to have to bend the knee and upload everything important to you into this node and hand it to a big, indian, vile corporation.Your best option right now it.- Hoard hardware. But don't just hoard it boxed. Build it, get it setup with an OS (Linux of course), keep it updated. Boot it a few times a year. Assume you can get 10 years from 1 PC, but if you start using your 'fresh' PC 10 years from now, it'll probably be less.- Setup tons of local storage. RAID, NAS, etc. Get every game and other bulk data that is meaningful to you downloaded. You are ultimately facing entropy here, so everything you can do to resist progressive failure is important.- Get spare routers and switches.
>>107766198Addendum: Start drinking heavily immediately such that as your hardware starts to fail and/or you are otherwise forced into the satanic jeet ecosystem, you are just about to die. It'll help greatly to soothe the pain along the way as well as giving you the final out.
>>107766198This is some thing so nightmarish that I can't even imagine preparing for it.
>>107766198Lol, i have enough computing hardware to last til i die, let alone normies discarding their hardware i could salvage.The day the only access to computing is through that crap I'll just no longer use computers.But this won't happen as it's not feasible.Regarding internet we'll just build our own before it ever comes to that.
>>107766198>Pull up a chair, retards.Don't start by insulting your audience fucking maximum fool
>>107766198Complete slavery/death will be live biometric feedback and real time content generation.You'd think this would result in maximum pleasure but nope It's maximum control. You will be programmed, first to serve whims of your tech overlords, then when you are no longer uselful, to die off without much disruption.If you think you're not already locked into this inevitable fate, just quit the internet already. It's not that easy, because deep down you're addicted and so is everyone else, and you cannot survive with it.Thanks for the shitposts.
>>107766306>If you think you're not already locked into this inevitable fate, just quit the internet already. It's not that easy, because deep down you're addicted and so is everyone else, and you cannot survive with it.See the addendum. All of this is said under the assumption that ultimately you cannot win. Old hardware will die. 50 years from now it's 100% over. So: work on dying in a time frame that roughly coincides with when your hardware will finally fail.I do think it's possible to disconnect permanently. I'm 50 now, and can feel my desire to be online dwindling. You may not feel it at 30, but you'll get there. As long as I have local stuff to fuck with, I'll be ok for the forseeable future.
>>107766340>50 years from now it's 100% overFor us nerds it might be possible to retvrn to local computing and alternate communication.But as you say, in 50 years all the hardware we stockpile today will be dying/dead. The end game is build basic local manufacturing of technology which is independent of gigatech.Shit like HAM radio might be enough to get things started, and provide some alternative, non-pozzed basis of communication to use as a basis for building beyond it.Of course non of this in the future for free computing will facilitate much bing bing wahoo. We will have be content with 70s-80s level technology because that's about the limit we can feasible build as hobbyists. But this is speculation.Not all is lost but I feel anyone who disconnects from the hivemind will be outcasts in all ways. Surviving this alone will be an achievement.
Speaking of stockpiling hardware, what is the most robust and repairable computer platforms?
>>107766198I agree 100% with every single piece of this message, and just came in to make a thread exactly like this. I don't even need more computing power than I currently have, but I couldn't live without it and I'm worried in the future the technology will be too closed off to maintain it.Normies and optimists are waiting for the AI bubble to burst, but I've been dreading this before it even started.
>>107766198>>107766340Anon, I'm scared enough of what's going to happen in the next 2 years, forget about the next 20.
>>107766725>I couldn't live without iIn what way?
>>107766725>Normies and optimists are waiting for the AI bubble to burst, but I've been dreading this before it even started.Even if it bursts, I don't think it matters. Given the sheer amount of money thrown at creating these new data centers, there is no way they are JUST ai datacenters. A big chunk of them have to be general computing clusters built specifically to serve cloud OS instances. There's just no other way. What we're witnessing right now is a bunch of companies jockeying to build enough hardware to be the single OS provider for as many people as they can.
>>107766743>Anon, I'm scared enough of what's going to happen in the next 2 yearsThat's fair. Everything has been accelerating almost unbelievably. The fact that this is all happening at the same time as the big global push for digital ID is absolutely not coincidence.
>>107766757I knew someone would need this explained. I mean, life would be unbearable. I spent most of my freetime on computer, and without computers there wouldn't be much fun I could afford. No music, no art, no movies, no games, so I'd rather just die but if I could do that I'd have done it already.
>>107766838There's no "almost" about it. I'm fucking scared, man. Everything's going to hell all at once and I can't keep up with any of it.
>>107766881I get it. The test will probably be if you can live without the internet. Could you live without that, assuming you get to keep whatever you've accumulated already? I'm genuinely curious what other people's tolerance is like.
>>107766976I don't think I could.
>>107766976You can still have a goybox for crucial things (shopping, bills, etc). So you won't be completely cut off.
>>107766987But also bear in mind, that's like 10+ years down the road. They definitely will not be able to just shut the door on hundreds of millions of people with existing (often new, because of Windows 11) pcs. The real crucial issue is when hardware starts to become impractical to obtain.
>>107766987>You can still have a goyboxOnly if you are willing to accept everything else that goes with it, like digital ID, spying etc.You release that they will just keep on adding mandatory invasive requirements, surveillance features and humiliation rituals to it, until the goybox become an all-in-one goy master programming device.
>>107767021Right, so you use it for the bare minimum. You do actual computing on your old hardware. It's not perfect, but...that's what you got.
>>107766198Cope, I am going to die around next 15 years
>>107767029How do you plan on pivoting to an offline computing life then? For many anons this prospect seems too much to bear.And even if you only use the goybox for the absolute minimum requirements, you'll be flagged as a "low engagement person" and be discriminated against negatively, affecting employment, credit score etc.And if everything is still controlled through the goybox, and your social credit falls too low, you can be completely cut off from everything, not even allowed to enter public places.You'll get no sympathy from any of the drones plugged into the matrix. Much less the state who now knows you as an alien.
>>107767163>How do you plan on pivoting to an offline computing life then? For many anons this prospect seems too much to bear.Keep a library of Linux isos up to date. Physically build your machines, get software installed and keep them updated. That way when things get cut off, it's all ready to go. Don't get stuck having to go it when you're already cut off from software repos (app store age laws could cause this much earlier than lack of hardware). Back it all up.
>>107766198I plan to die within a couple of years so I don't give a shit.
>>107767188How are you going to power it?
>>107767197That should definitely be part of the plan. 10-15 year window. Alcohol is a good way to do it and anesthetize yourself in the meantime.
>>107767210I don't understand the question. Electricity?
>>107767221Yeah.
>>107767229I mean. I don't anticipate not having power to my house. Nothing is going to prevent me from powering on an old PC.
>>107766198My hope(cope) is that all the boomer politicians mostly die off or step down by 2030, and we replacements that's more computer literate elected and will be against such ideas. Not that I expect politicians in general to be too computer literate, but at least more than we have now. Gen-X politicians aren't usually that much better off.Really my hope would be ones that aren't corporate cocksuckers, but that seems to be more or less impossible with politicians. I'm pretty sure they'll just threaten or blackmail you if you don't play their game. Nor am I sure with how strong the "us vs them" mentality that goes on with politics these days. I'm sure once one side takes a strong stand against preventing scenarios like this, the other will immediately support it.Otherwise I'm just planning to build what I expect to be either my last or second to last PC year while I can and maybe buy off older PCs and hoard them just in case.
>>107767237Why not? If they're using social credit score bullshit to cut you off from everything, why wouldn't that include electricity too?
>>107767260I don't place a lot of stock in social credit worries. Everything in OP can be implemented in a consumer-friendly facing way that doesn't involve social credit stuff. It just involves making hardware not available to consumers as a result. The wideface mulattos of the future won't even know the difference, no social credit score necessary.
>>107767272I see, so everything will be centralized and monitored but this will never be leveraged for social control?I understand this is an additional step but it does follow from your scenario. If there is enough interest in forcing everyone to the cloud, there is enough interest in controlling how they use it.But one battle at a time I guess.
>>107766198>- Get spare routers and switches.Ya I kind of expect this as well. That's sort of why I support GOG. I figure as soon as they are bought out by EA or something that'll be the day I finally download all my games and go completely offline. One thing I was thinking though is doing some sort of open wireless LAN. Like the idea is I'd setup random hotspots and share files with my neighbors. Has anyone done anything like that before? I'm not even sure about how strong the hardware would need to be.
>>107767318Even if it were the case, they'd have no way of knowing that I have old hardware running. Even if they did, why would they care? It can't connect to the internet anyway. I definitely don't believe "not using your goybox enough" is going to be a crucial factor. Normies almost never use their computer.
>>107767247imagine if all the tech/prog-bros become the next politician
>>107767369The current dystopia is brought to you by techbros you fucking retard.
>>107766198So hoard old optiplex units? Based, used to have one when I was younger, still would be using it if I didn't fall for the gaming pc meme.>inb4 intel ME/other backdoor bogeymenInstall libreboot if you're that concerned.>>107767247This is what will probably happen.
>>107767369I think that would be worse. It would be all the hyper-autists who have ability to reflect on the damage the things they are building can do. This is a very large percentage of silicon valley.
>>107767368>Normies almost never use their computer.Their smart phone? They never stop looking at it. Regardless I won't push the point as I believe the hardware question by itself is very valuable.
>>107767387Fair. I'm thinking in terms of desktop/laptop, which may be very boomer of me.
>>107766976>The test will probably be if you can live without the internet.For this, I've been preparing already. Saving music and videos, backups of backups stored in a faraday's cage, local models for text and images, but I hadn't been preparing for the hardware itself to become a problem. If the internet disappeared tomorrow I'd be fine, but if computers did I wouldn't last a week.
>>107767197Dying is harder than you think. Thinking you could die by choice is like thinking you could win a fight because you read a marital arts book. I have wanted to die for decades, and by now am convinced that quantum immortality is real because I can't end this cursed existance no matter how much I try.
>>107766198Better yet, hoard as many guns as you can so you can go out in a blaze of glory when the feds decide to knock on your door because you've been doing no-no things behind their back. They're already planning to kill you, so you might as well return the favor before they do.
>>107766270Retard is an accurate description of the average 4chan user.It's not an insult if it's true
>>107766198> Does not factor in the underground hardware market and the sneakernet. You guys didn't actually read cyberpunk did you?
>>107766384>But as you say, in 50 years all the hardware we stockpile today will be dying/dead.Do you fucking mouth breathers understand you can repair electronics? Replace chips, capacitors, etc. Stop peddling retarded shit.
The only solution to this is open sourcing semiconductor fabrication. And making it affordable enough to do at home.I know it sounds insane but we have to try or it really is over.
>>107769473>Just build your own fab, how hard can it be?You have to be one of the most delusional people on this entire board.
we're ending like this nsa skyzo who hoarded 7tb of classified documents at home kek.have actually around 1tb in one external ssd and few usb
>>107769749Did I somehow imply it wouldn't be insanely hard? Yeah no shit it's next to impossible, but your only alternative is slavery and death. Take your pick.
Buy large amounts of fertilizer
>>107769812Throwing around retarded, impractical ideas is a waste of everybody's time.Do the world a favour and shut the fuck up.Or better yet, kill yourself.
>>107770021Oh my, looks how mad agent glow is at the idea. Now I am convinced we should explore it more seriously.
>>107766198We need to compile some type of guide. For instance for long term affordable storage you can use blueray Mdiscs or high end BDR's. They are cheap the hardware is cheap too.You could put all retro games/emu on one blueray M that would last 100+ years. We need to compile hardware with the longest lifespans in usage and shelf life including monitors etc.
>>107766198By that time I'll have taken the blue pill and will be living in a personal VR / neuralink paradise heaven with my 72 virgins and god powers (living in a pod), so I won't care. It's literally the description of heaven in multiple religions. Because consumers want that (total AI immersion, AI waifus etc) and so far I've seen no real effort to prevent it or regulate it, despite the potential harm to society.
schizo theory debunked by the fact that people were building shit in their garage in the dawn of computing, which is easier to do nowadays. technology will just become shittier for a while
>>107766208I don't know man, being an alcoholic doesn't look like fun at all. I could barely keep it together after 3 days drunk in a row, I couldn't imagine doing it constantly until the lights go out.
>>107766261>we'll just build our own before it ever comes to that.We'll just go back to LANs or WANs and it will be fine.
>Traditional services like email, sms and all other messengers will disappear.This flat out won't happen, businesses rely too heavily on communication.
>>107766198Yes yes it's all over (You) should immediately kill yourself before it can get any worse.
>>107767341https://www.open-mesh.org/projects/open-mesh/wiki
>>107771837Maybe over LoRa if we all go back to textboards.
>>107767749>by now am convinced that quantum immortality is real because I can't end this cursed existance no matter how much I trythat's not what quantum immortality isquantum immortality also depends on the many-worlds interpretation being the case, as opposed to the Copenhagen interpretation or something else entirely
>>107766198Spot on, but>That's the endgame.It won't end there, they'll slowly take away your ability to use old hardware too. It'll start with things like reclaiming the old wireless frequencies for next-gen internet connections and making it illegal to use your old wifi hardware because it disrupts the network. And eventually, when owning personal computers becomes so niche that 99% of people won't care, they'll be banned altogether because think about how easy it'll be for pedophiles to trade CP just by connecting a couple of laptops with a cable, we just can't have that.
I was always wondering if using 512GB-2TB microsds to store your collection of movies/games/music is a viable option? No frequent r/w, just store once - read once in a while.
>>107771598Good luck with that.Most people don't even have landlines at home anymore.
>>107770051Go right ahead.I'll look forward to laughing in your face once you discover just how difficult semiconductor fabrication actually is and you give up like the worthless faggot that you are.
>>107773490flash storage retains data longer if it's stored at a lower temperature. Condensation from a fridge or freezer might damage it though.
>>107773490That is way less reliable and way less cost effective than spinning rust or even blurays.
>>107766198You're a paid shill.kys
>>107769427>Do you fucking mouth breathers understand you can repair electronics?Yes, but this assumes fresh supply of replacement components for ancient hardware that's available to consumers.If you have a CRT today for example you can replace some parts but not others. Repairing what you can is definitely worthwhile, however it's just kicking the can down the road. A complete solution involves availability of all parts, which for computers will involve semiconductor fabrication.
>>107766976i would say my tolerance is far more above people but even when i was in the touch grass mode i still needed internet and communication somehow.i do have a lot of books to read on my computer as also an emacs lot of how to etc i kind of hoard everything even conversations i have with ai .txt are only few kbbut it doesnt matter i don't want to live in dystopian hellhole but oh well.i would probably get into radio and for internet try to go the public library.If no social media will mean outcast oh well.If i learnt something when doing trips is that the human brain is wonderful machine that get used to to whatsoever you have to get used to.Pretty easy for me tho ,no friends ,no gf ,no job,no debt and tankfully i have a family ; Would be much harder if you have all of that and you probably won't escape it because you need to feed your family and your best traitor will be your wife,unfortunaly.
>>107766198I do believe everything you're saying will come to pass. It's worse than just computing, this extends to total humiliation when it comes to jobseeking, personal finance and suchlike.I am building myself a cheap house in the middle of nowhere and I intend to just live like a hermit for the rest of my life using old technology. The world is, as the kids say, 'totally cooked'
>>107774417>even when i was in the touch grass mode i still needed internet and communication somehow.have you tried strong disassociatives mixed with alcohol? should solve the whole 'needing human contact' thing
>>107774801nah it was osm or my family so.told you go no friends and not interested in drugs ,i probably get high for ten years now just by biking 14h a day for two months.When you've got the Lord pushing you ,you don't need drugs bro ;)
>>107773546NTA. Obviously we aren't making ryzens in the garage. But how far do you think is possible? Because even being able to fabricate a 6502 would open up enough doors.
>>107775191you can emulate a MOS 6502 or Z80 with discrete components (thousands of them), but to actually replicate an 8-bit cpu, you'd need a cleanroom, photolithography equipment, dozens of layers of sub-micron-aligned masks, etc.i wouldn't say it's impossible, but it would be very difficult, very expensive (hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of equipment), and a single error in the process would almost certainly render the chip unusable
>>107766198you will own no "compute"you will kiss AI ass everyday to prove to it you don't even think of committing any thoughtcrimeand you will be happy
>>107775249Thanks for putting it into perspective. A few hundred thousand upfront investment isn't a lot in the scheme of things. It seems plausible that an upstart with a couple million could in theory start manufacturing prototypes of 8 bit cpus as a proof of concept. But like you said, still very difficult.>you can emulate a MOS 6502 or Z80 with discrete componentsSeems like this would be slow as fuck and not really worth it
>>107773519Landlines are useless, I mean some fiber, CAT5 or greater and wireless for point to point between hubs. All community supported.
>>107766198>bro no one will have computers bro please listen take me seriously broThis is retarded and so obviously not happening. The majority of consumers can comfortably surf the web/watch videos on a mini PC with an N95/N100 processor and 8GB/16GB of ram (8gb for Linux, 16GB for winblows).Do you really think the millions of dirt cheap laptops and mini PCs will just disappear? That all tech projects that facilitate peer to peer file storage and communication will just disappear? That all tech companies that require their own machines will just give them up?If things are going to be 100% cloud based, why is windows so laughably bad and slow? Surely they'd need to be EXTREMELY optimized to even consider BILLIONS of concurrent cloud internet connections at once from Amazon/M$/Google HQ right?How to (((they))) pay for this? No one is actually paying for desktop streaming right now except cyber criminals running VPS servers and they don't like the feel of it casually anyway.What about POWER consumption for the companies too?>Assuming EVERY connection is cloud based and running at M$ HQ, if each PC is a super optimized machine that draws a meager 10W from the wall to do normie shit that means that 1,000,000,000 * 10w = 10GW of power JUST on this retard project.>An extra 10GW of power consumed annually from just one billion windows users (its the main OS still by far), assuming NOT ONE USER wants to run a GPU or takes more than 10w from the wall. This doesn't even consider the user needing to actually have a thin client to connect with which is more power + display.Its just not feasible in any way.
>>107775249>you'd need a cleanroomThat's what most anons fail to understand.If you can't get your air and water quality at acceptable levels, your yields are going to be dogshit.Achieving (and more importantly, maintaining) those quality levels is not trivial, not is it cheap.
>>107775609>Seems like this would be slow as fuck and not really worth ityes, it would be very slow, unfortunately
I'd finally have a reason to stop using computers and start living. Thanks globojewhomo
>>107776100>those quality levels is not trivial, not is it cheap.Air quality is a joke compared to the water quality necessary and that pales in comparison to the chemicals and acids you'll need later down the fab process.I worked for years in the chem industry, specifically on special types of ion exchangers and one of the projects I worked on was with Intel's fabs in Arizona maybe 15 years ago. Trust me you could realistically produce low grade chips with acceptable yields at home, an exchanger bed capable of spitting out enough UPW isn't that expensive or hard to get your hands on and air purity isn't that important for rudimentary chips and scaling it up is only a problem of having bought bitcoin in 2009. That said the acids and some of the other chemicals needed for the production of modern chips are literally more controlled than most drug precursors. You won't be fabbing anything advanced at home, not even with horrifically shit yields and that's assuming you have the machines for it in the first place. Just getting the PPE necessary to handle some of the acids, never mind the acids themselves, would tip off probably half a dozen agencies across three countries.
>>107776273>chemicals needed for the production of modern chips are literally more controlled than most drug precursorsWhy?
>>107776398Some of this stuff when leaked into the environment would cause longer lasting (localized) environmental devastation than Chernobyl could have ever hoped to cause even if we let the reactor just do whatever it wants to post initial explosion. That part governments honestly usually don't give a shit about (who's surprised kek) as long as you have a piece of paper saying yeah we handed this off to someone that knows how to deal with the waste products, they're worried less about the environment and more about chemicals that could easily be misused to create chemical weapons way way way worse than simple mustard gas or sarin. Also dying by exposure to some of this stuff would make you beg to have the comparatively blissful death of radiation poisoning instead.
>>107766198I'll still keep using the same Thinkpad forever.
>>107776273>That said the acids and some of the other chemicals needed for the production of modern chips are literally more controlled than most drug precursorslike what, hydrofluoric acid, hydroiodic acid, stuff like that?
>>107766198>Pull up a chair retards>Allow me to mindlessly parrot the same thing I've been mindlessly parroting since the 20th century
